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* Not sure how serious this is, but it's obviously jossed. Rokuta was born five hundred years before Bowie, on the wrong side of the world, and never had any children, so any blood connection would have to be so attenuated as to be meaningless.
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** Oooh and the Kirin are [[Film/TheMatrix [[Franchise/TheMatrix Agents]]!
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* This is more text than subtext; the King of Kou's fears of being supplanted by Kankyaku and the subsequent scaremongering he uses to blame them for everything that goes wrong pretty much just ''is'' literal anti-immigration politics, even if it's magical immigration more than anything else. His policies are also directly contrasted with En's formal system for welcoming and acclimating immigrants and refugees, which we're specifically shown in the anime and which is obviously portrayed as superior.
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*** Aozaru hints at this much earlier - he tells Youko that Rakushun "only saved you so he could cash you in later." At first this seems like a lie, but Rakushun's confession to Shoukei indicates that it's the truth (if a very incomplete one, since he intended to "cash her in" with the king of En rather than by turning her in for a reward.)
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[Manga/SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[Manga/{{Bleach}} others]] [[Series/DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[Manga/SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing [[Manga/ShamanKing some]] [[Manga/{{Bleach}} others]] [[Series/DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[Manga/SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[Manga/{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[Manga/SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[Manga/{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe [[Series/DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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* Absolutely jossed. This troper doesn't even understand how you could have come up with that theory.
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[SoulEater [[Manga/SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[{{Bleach}} [[Manga/{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe as]] [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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** He was also very insistent on having her meet the king of En even before anyone else knew who she was, and said that he had already contacted Enki after TheReveal.
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** The issue is, WHY? Why so much resemblance to Earth in human appearance, animal equivalence, and cultural resemblance to ancient China? Why does chickens in that world lay eggs for no other reason for the eggs to be eaten by humans? A complex theory could be that Earth was created first. The Deities concerned created Earth with Natural Selection, and life evolved on its own with minimal divine input. However, at some point the Deities decided they would like to have a world where they could have direct influence. Instead of wrecking the balance of Earth which was going along just fine, they created an entirely separate universe of 12 Kingdoms. They also likely used Ancient China as the basis of the culture in the new world, as it was the most advanced human civilization at THAT point in history. The Tree system was created to replace Natural Selection, ensuring that the population was under direct divine control. However everything that could be copied from Earth was copied.
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** The issue is, WHY? Why so much resemblance to Earth in human appearance, animal equivalence, and cultural resemblance to ancient China? Why does chickens in that world lay eggs for no other reason than for the eggs to be eaten by humans? A complex theory could be that Earth was created first. The Deities concerned created Earth with Natural Selection, and life evolved on its own with minimal divine input. However, at some point the Deities decided they would like to have a world where they could have direct influence. Instead of wrecking the balance of Earth which was going along just fine, they created an entirely separate universe of 12 Kingdoms. They also likely used Ancient China as the basis of the culture in the new world, as it was the most advanced human civilization at THAT point in history. The Tree system was created to replace Natural Selection, ensuring that the population was under direct divine control. However everything that could be copied from Earth was copied.
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[[WMG: The Deities created the 12 Kingdoms after abandoning Earth to its own devices]]
** The 12 Kingdoms humans have sex, but they serve no biological function. Further, the Tree Birthing system means evolutionary mechanisms of Natural Selection does not EXIST. Every life form in that world are individually crafted by divine forces.
** The issue is, WHY? Why so much resemblance to Earth in human appearance, animal equivalence, and cultural resemblance to ancient China? Why does chickens in that world lay eggs for no other reason for the eggs to be eaten by humans? A complex theory could be that Earth was created first. The Deities concerned created Earth with Natural Selection, and life evolved on its own with minimal divine input. However, at some point the Deities decided they would like to have a world where they could have direct influence. Instead of wrecking the balance of Earth which was going along just fine, they created an entirely separate universe of 12 Kingdoms. They also likely used Ancient China as the basis of the culture in the new world, as it was the most advanced human civilization at THAT point in history. The Tree system was created to replace Natural Selection, ensuring that the population was under direct divine control. However everything that could be copied from Earth was copied.
** In short, Earth is like an ocean where life was left alone, while 12 Kingdoms is an Aquarium where the gods gets to control who goes in, who goes out, and what happens within. That is why it is culturally static; the gods wanted it that way.
** The 12 Kingdoms humans have sex, but they serve no biological function. Further, the Tree Birthing system means evolutionary mechanisms of Natural Selection does not EXIST. Every life form in that world are individually crafted by divine forces.
** The issue is, WHY? Why so much resemblance to Earth in human appearance, animal equivalence, and cultural resemblance to ancient China? Why does chickens in that world lay eggs for no other reason for the eggs to be eaten by humans? A complex theory could be that Earth was created first. The Deities concerned created Earth with Natural Selection, and life evolved on its own with minimal divine input. However, at some point the Deities decided they would like to have a world where they could have direct influence. Instead of wrecking the balance of Earth which was going along just fine, they created an entirely separate universe of 12 Kingdoms. They also likely used Ancient China as the basis of the culture in the new world, as it was the most advanced human civilization at THAT point in history. The Tree system was created to replace Natural Selection, ensuring that the population was under direct divine control. However everything that could be copied from Earth was copied.
** In short, Earth is like an ocean where life was left alone, while 12 Kingdoms is an Aquarium where the gods gets to control who goes in, who goes out, and what happens within. That is why it is culturally static; the gods wanted it that way.
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* When she first meets him, she mentions Keiki's name briefly -- Rakushun would have been smart enough to, in theory, hazard a guess at her identity solely from that.
** Also, it's possible he recognized her sword, which was one of the legendary treasures of Kei and can only be wielded by its Empress. Its powers are extremely distinctive.
** He was also the one who brought Keiki up when she was talking to the scholar in the scene where her identity finally comes out -- Youko was about to leave when Rakushun 'suddenly' reminds her that she met Keiki, and presses her on what happened. He might not have known specifically or with any certainty until he heard her response, but he had more than enough reason to suspect it.
** This would also explain why he was so willing to suddenly drop his entire life to travel with her (even if he was planning on going eventually like he said, it's still a bit shocking), and it would explain why he went to such extremes to try and meet up with her again back in En.
** Most tellingly of all, he ''almost'' admits this himself, though not to Youko. Pay very, very close attention to what Rakushun says to Shoukei in Episode 31 while recapping his adventures with Youko -- in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, he says that at first he thought he'd get a reward for bringing her to En, and only changed his mind as he spent time with her. It's ''possible'' that he was talking about the brief time after he knew who she was, but the way he says it leaves it ambiguous.
* When she first meets him, she mentions Keiki's name briefly -- Rakushun would have been smart enough to, in theory, hazard a guess at her identity solely from that.
** Also, it's possible he recognized her sword, which was one of the legendary treasures of Kei and can only be wielded by its Empress. Its powers are extremely distinctive.
** He was also the one who brought Keiki up when she was talking to the scholar in the scene where her identity finally comes out -- Youko was about to leave when Rakushun 'suddenly' reminds her that she met Keiki, and presses her on what happened. He might not have known specifically or with any certainty until he heard her response, but he had more than enough reason to suspect it.
** This would also explain why he was so willing to suddenly drop his entire life to travel with her (even if he was planning on going eventually like he said, it's still a bit shocking), and it would explain why he went to such extremes to try and meet up with her again back in En.
** Most tellingly of all, he ''almost'' admits this himself, though not to Youko. Pay very, very close attention to what Rakushun says to Shoukei in Episode 31 while recapping his adventures with Youko -- in a blink-and-you-miss-it moment, he says that at first he thought he'd get a reward for bringing her to En, and only changed his mind as he spent time with her. It's ''possible'' that he was talking about the brief time after he knew who she was, but the way he says it leaves it ambiguous.
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Well, his hair does look like the one Bowie sported while playing Jareth, in {{Labyrinth}}. It ''can't'' be a coincidence.
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Well, his hair does look like the one Bowie sported while playing Jareth, in {{Labyrinth}}.''Film/{{Labyrinth}}''. It ''can't'' be a coincidence.
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe as]] [[{{Reaper}} well]].
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If you read the novels, you'll agree completely with my reasoning. She was sent prematurely to there because the youkais sent by the corrupt King of Kou invaded the living world and were trying to reap the girl for her to not be queen while the man was still alive, as reincarnation would still take a while. Keiki saved her because, somehow or another, she never reincarnated in the right time, to start with it; she probably was killed by another human, or committed suicide while she was at the Twelve Kingdoms. Then, after they had to depart, Youko passed through the same things someone in Hell would pass, until a humble and pure spirit, Rakushun, saved her, and brought her a new hope. After all kinds of endurances, she finally could be the queen of one of the Twelve Kingdoms. People at the Twelve Kingdoms can't appear to humans at the living world, as it would cause a disrupt in the balance, and bring many tragedies to both worlds, even more if they are the kings. The fact that humans can't properly reproduce, but wait nine months for the Riboku Tree to give a child might be one more indication. Kaikyaku can't learn the language because they went prematurely to the place, without dying before. Such vision would give an interesting aspect to the series, and an even more interesting interaction [[SoulEater with]] [[ShamanKing some]] [[{{Bleach}} others]] [[DeadLikeMe as]] [[{{Reaper}} [[Series/{{Reaper}} well]].
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* I think the first troper meant Korea...? It's closer to the China-Japan area, after all.
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* It's a god-made world, but the god could be anyone (including human, if you want). Their legends, or at least in the Mount where the kirin grow, explicitly say the main god destroyed the world and made it anew in the shape it currently has. The thing is: it's definitely artificially made to look like it does.
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Just look at the world map. There's almost no probability of such symmetrical shapes being a product of naturally land formation.
Just look at the world map. There's almost no probability of such symmetrical shapes being a product of naturally land formation.
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