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* What if that Hobbit was Sméagol though?
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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[UsefulNotes/{{Earth}} Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].

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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - -- because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[UsefulNotes/{{Earth}} Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - -- [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].effect]].



The whole point of the Gift of Men - i.e. free will - is to allow Humans to choose their fate freely. And yet Eru through Manwe is implied to lament men choosing to go their own way like Melkor, so what's the point of free will if men are simply supposed to go with the flow instead of making their own destiny and deciding for their own how the world should be, and not how it's meant to be?

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The whole point of the Gift of Men - -- i.e. free will - -- is to allow Humans to choose their fate freely. And yet Eru through Manwe Manwë is implied to lament men choosing to go their own way like Melkor, so what's the point of free will if men are simply supposed to go with the flow instead of making their own destiny and deciding for their own how the world should be, and not how it's meant to be?



He was specifically created with petty personality to drive a conflict. After all, all the good is worthless, if thre's no misery and evil in the world to contrast it. And if the world is screwed up too badly, it can be started anew.

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He was specifically created with petty personality to drive a conflict. After all, all the good is worthless, if thre's there's no misery and evil in the world to contrast it. And if the world is screwed up too badly, it can be started anew.



[[WMG: If Sauron was never taken to Numenor, eventually the Dunedain would've come into conflict with the Elves.]]

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[[WMG: If Sauron was never taken to Numenor, eventually the Dunedain Dúnedain would've come into conflict with the Elves.]]



[[WMG:Ungoliath is actually [[{{Literature/It}} It]]]]
Since Silmarillion doesn't confirm her fate, she could have found a nice place for herself, devouring souls of children in the darkness. Now Creator/StephenKing's dislike of spiders comes out in the whole new light.

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[[WMG:Ungoliath [[WMG:Ungoliant is actually [[{{Literature/It}} It]]]]
Literature/{{It}}.]]
Since the Silmarillion doesn't confirm her fate, she could have found a nice place for herself, devouring souls of children in the darkness. Now Creator/StephenKing's dislike of spiders comes out in the whole new light.



In the texts of the Fall of Gondolin it is mentioned that Morgoth's army included dragon-shaped tanks ("On Maeglin's advice Morgoth had his smiths and sorcerers construct iron monsters in the likeness of dragons, which might cross difficult terrain and harbour legions of orcs to transport them safely across the open plain of Tumladen") and bombers ("flying machines with fire on their bellies"). Clearly the next step was creating [[HumongousMecha giant robots]] -like a ''[[Anime/MazingerZ Mazinger]]'' or a ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Gundam]]''- or another kind of giant [[MechanicalMonster mechanical]] [[{{Robeast}} beasts]]. Good thing that the Valinor army struck as he was stuck on creating [[OurDragonsAreDifferent winged dragons]].

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In the texts of the Fall of Gondolin it is mentioned that Morgoth's army included dragon-shaped tanks ("On Maeglin's advice Morgoth had his smiths and sorcerers construct iron monsters in the likeness of dragons, which might cross difficult terrain and harbour legions of orcs to transport them safely across the open plain of Tumladen") and bombers ("flying machines with fire on their bellies"). Clearly the next step was creating [[HumongousMecha giant robots]] -like -- like a ''[[Anime/MazingerZ Mazinger]]'' or a ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Gundam]]''- Gundam]]'' -- or another kind of giant [[MechanicalMonster mechanical]] [[{{Robeast}} beasts]]. Good thing that the Valinor army struck as he was stuck on creating [[OurDragonsAreDifferent winged dragons]].



* His life (and the hobbit's) would still have been very difficult, because it's the First Age and all, but one hobbit to be sensible at him and hardy enough to lift his spirits would have put him off at least one of his self-destructive decisions. ''Two'' hobbits, and Melkor's curse would have been undone entirely.

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* His life (and the hobbit's) would still have been very difficult, because it's the First Age and all, but one hobbit to be sensible at him and hardy enough to lift his spirits would have put him off at least one of his self-destructive decisions. ''Two'' hobbits, and Melkor's curse would have been undone entirely.



* In the BermudaTriangle, to be exact.

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* In the BermudaTriangle, to be exact.

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[[WMG:Ungoliant was created by Eru and the nameless things were created by either Eru or Morgoth]]
While Ungoliant is clearly more than a mere monster she's also not beyond the level of the Ainur (at least before she consumes the two trees). Most likely Ungoliant was an Ainur that had no part in the song and then "snuck" into Arda. The nameless things either have a similar origin or they could be a result of Morgoth's corruption of Arda. This could explain why they were terrible enough to disturb Gandalf.
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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[UsefulNotes/Earth Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].

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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[UsefulNotes/Earth [[UsefulNotes/{{Earth}} Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].
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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[{{Earth}} Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].

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Enemies of Elves and the Valar, like Ar-Pharazon, angry and bitter their one-and-only lives were wasted under Morgoth's shadow, now expected by the heavens to create a perfect Arda unmarred, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens will outright oppose Eru]]. But they won't weave harmony, or discords, into the theme - because they don't want any part of it. They sing a world out in the Void into being, a place far removed from Eru and magical forces. Governed by physics and not the flame imperishable. [[{{Earth}} [[UsefulNotes/Earth Planet Earth]]. The Ainur now about to come to the end of the majestic music's conclusion are ''horrified''. Men have given no consideration for how that world would even function - [[DeathWorld its a true hellscape]]. They use the last moments to bring as much beauty from Arda into it as possible; trees and animals; the Moon; a benign Sun in the habitable zone; planets Jupiter and Saturn to shield it from impact events; stars from Eä. These Men vanish... as if they never were. The Ainur protest to Eru, there wasn't enough time to make Earth [[CrapsackWorld without flaws]]. The Father of All is unconcerned. He expected some to be indifferent or defiant to the music, and [[YouCantFightFate the Gift of Men is still in effect]].

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