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* The former is confirmed.
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*** Having rewatched the movie, its strong WantsVersusNeeds element adds another layer to this. Both Facilier and Oscar are driven by greed and success. Perhaps the former was reincarnated into the latter for redemption purposes; to learn to value what he ''needs'' instead of what he wants. Going by Tiana's speech to him about her father, it seems what Oscar needs is to let go of his gripes and goals and be more loving, a quality he obviously lacked as the shadow man.
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*** Having rewatched the movie, its strong WantsVersusNeeds element adds another layer to this. Both Facilier and Oscar are driven by greed and success. success through shady schemes. Perhaps the former was reincarnated into the latter for redemption purposes; to learn to value what he ''needs'' and already has instead of focusing on what he wants. Going by Tiana's speech to him about her father, it seems what Oscar needs is to let go of his gripes and goals and be more loving, a quality he obviously completely lacked as the shadow man.
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*** Having rewatched the movie, its strong WantsVersusNeeds element adds another layer to this. Both Facilier and Oscar are driven by greed and success. Perhaps the former was reincarnated into the latter for redemption purposes; to learn to value what he ''needs'' instead of what he wants. Going by Tiana's speech to him about her father, it seems what he Oscar needs is to let go of his gripes and goals and be more loving, a quality he obviously lacked as the shadow man.
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** Having rewatched the movie, its strong WantsVersusNeeds element adds another layer to this. Both Facilier and Oscar are driven by greed and success. Perhaps the former was reincarnated into the latter for redemption purposes; to learn to value what he ''needs'' instead of what he wants. It seems what he needs is to be let go of his gripes and goals and be more loving, a quality he obviously lacked as the shadow man.
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** In an episode of the reboot, "Snackland", Oscar is briefly sent deep into the Earth (much like Facilier) and is surrounded by several shadows figures not unlike Facilier's friends on the other side. One episode later, he apparently has a pit that leads to this place and threatens to send Mr. Chips down there. Make of that what you will.
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** In an episode of the reboot, "Snackland", Oscar is briefly sent deep into the Earth (much like Facilier) and is surrounded by several shadows shadowy figures not unlike Facilier's friends on the other side. One episode later, he apparently has a pit that leads to this place and threatens to send Mr. Chips down there. Make of that what you will.
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[[WMG: Johnny was faking his disability.]]
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[[WMG: Johnny was [[ObfuscatingDisability faking his disability.disability]].]]
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** In an episode of the reboot, "Snackland", Oscar is briefly sent to a FireAndBrimstoneHell and is surrounded by several shadows figures not unlike Facilier's friends on the other side. One episode later, he apparently has a pit that leads to this place and threatens to send Mr. Chips down there. Make of that what you will.
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** In an episode of the reboot, "Snackland", Oscar is briefly sent to a FireAndBrimstoneHell deep into the Earth (much like Facilier) and is surrounded by several shadows figures not unlike Facilier's friends on the other side. One episode later, he apparently has a pit that leads to this place and threatens to send Mr. Chips down there. Make of that what you will.
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*** More support on this theory. During "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier calls Lawrence "little man" and reminds him he's been pushed around his whole life by his mother, his siblings and (if he were married) his wife. And now, wouldn't you know it, he's been reincarnated into a guy who is constantly pushed around by his mother, his brother and his wife, and is sometimes called "little man" by larger, more intimidating people.
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** During "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier calls Lawrence "little man" and reminds him he's been pushed around his whole life by his mother, his siblings and (if he were married) his wife. And now, wouldn't you know it, he's been reincarnated into a guy who is constantly pushed around by his mother, his brother and his wife, and is sometimes called "little man" by larger, more intimidating people.
** In an episode of the reboot, "Snackland", Oscar is briefly sent to a FireAndBrimstoneHell and is surrounded by several shadows figures not unlike Facilier's friends on the other side. One episode later, he apparently has a pit that leads to this place and threatens to send Mr. Chips down there. Make of that what you will.
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*** More support on this theory. During "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier tells Lawrence he doesn't want to waste much time on him, but reminds him he's been pushed around his whole life by his mother, his siblings and (if he were married) his wife. And now, wouldn't you know it, he's been reincarnated into a guy who is constantly pushed around by his mother, his brother and his wife.
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*** More support on this theory. During "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier tells calls Lawrence he doesn't want to waste much time on him, but "little man" and reminds him he's been pushed around his whole life by his mother, his siblings and (if he were married) his wife. And now, wouldn't you know it, he's been reincarnated into a guy who is constantly pushed around by his mother, his brother and his wife.
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*** More support on this theory. During "Friends on the Other Side", Facilier tells Lawrence he doesn't want to waste much time on him, but reminds him he's been pushed around his whole life by his mother, his siblings and (if he were married) his wife. And now, wouldn't you know it, he's been reincarnated into a guy who is constantly pushed around by his mother, his brother and his wife.
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Nevermind, the time and setting of the movie make the theory impossible.
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[[WMG: The gorilla seen in "It Takes a Thief" is actually the original son of [[WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan}} Kala and Kerchak]]]]
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Somehow, he survived the attack from Sabor offscreen and was later found and taken away by some humans, eventually growing up as a zoo animal ([[WesternAnimation/MadagascarEscape2Africa sound familiar?]]). It's no coincidence that this gorilla happens to have the same body shape as Kerchak and the fur and skin color of Kala.
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Somehow, he survived the attack from Sabor offscreen and was later found and taken away by some humans, eventually growing up as a zoo animal ([[WesternAnimation/MadagascarEscapeTwoAfrica sound familiar?]]). It's no coincidence that this gorilla happens to have the same body shape as Kerchak and the fur and skin color of Kala.
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Somehow, he survived the attack from Sabor offscreen and was later found and taken away by some humans, eventually growing up as a zoo animal ([[WesternAnimation/MadagascarEscapeTwoAfrica ([[WesternAnimation/MadagascarEscape2Africa sound familiar?]]). It's no coincidence that this gorilla happens to have the same body shape as Kerchak and the fur and skin color of Kala.
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[[WMG: The gorilla seen in "It Takes a Thief" is actually the son of [[WesternAnimation/{{Tarzan}} Kala and Kerchak]]]]
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* Alternate Theory: Facilier's "friends on the other side" didn't punish him by sucking him into Hell for all eternity as previously assumed. Instead they reincarnated him as Oscar Proud, which is arguably worse.
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* Alternate Theory: Facilier's "friends on the other side" didn't punish him by sucking him into Hell for all eternity as previously assumed. Instead they reincarnated him as Oscar Proud, [[FateWorseThanDeath which is arguably worse.worse]].
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* Oscar might be Pinky reincarnated, which would explain why the talking baby likes to torment him, because Pinky might be responsible for them becoming humans.
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For guesses on the [[WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder revival series]], go [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder here]].
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For guesses on the [[WesternAnimation/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder revival series]], go [[https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WMG/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder [[WMG/TheProudFamilyLouderAndProuder here]].