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*[[spoiler: With the Fire Flies rebuilding, the events will make the possibility of a vaccine doable again. Abby will already be a member of the group, and through events, Ellie will once again be in the middle of all the drama. By the end, Ellie will once again be given the chance to sacrifice herself to save the world, making things right between the two.]]
*[[spoiler: With the Fire Flies rebuilding, the events will make the possibility of a vaccine doable again. Abby will already be a member of the group, and through events, Ellie will once again be in the middle of all the drama. By the end, Ellie will once again be given the chance to sacrifice herself to save the world, making things right between the two.]]
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**[[spoiler: Confirmed. The two had an argument prior to the start of the game, and Joel sings for her and gives her a guitar he made as an apology. The TearJerker comes in as Joel is murdered shortly afterwards.]]
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Arguably, Joel proved to be the BigBad at the end of the first game, because he choose to kill all the fireflies whom were trying to make a cure for the pandemic, with Ellie's permission. History will repeat itself. Players will be helping Ellie slaughter and kill their way through the game, thinking they are getting justice for Ellie because she had been wronged. However, a plot twist will reveal that Ellie's actions are [[DisproportionateRetribution far too extreme]], the people she is killing aren't so bad after all, and the main one causing all the conflict and violence the whole time, is Ellie herself. At this point, players might take control of another character, who wants revenge against Ellie, and kills her before the end credits, highlighting the brutal cycle of revenge.
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** Halley Gross confirmed this.
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The groups we've seen thus far in demos do not appear to be Fireflies, and I don't recall them being referenced outside of some graffiti in the 'through the valley' trailer. Now I recall Joel, early into the first game, suggesting they were certainly almost wiped out in Boston, and given that Joel killed a bunch of them, including their leader, to rescue Ellie, it is possible that, in the 5 years since then, the group simply died out. As for the graffiti, it could be years old, in an apocalypse people probably don't care all that much about removing graffiti.
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** Alternatively... well it could be more than just killing someone she cared about that Ellie is looking for revenge for, if you catch my meaning.
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It's confirmed that Ellie apparently goes to Seattle to rescue Tommy, who was kidnapped, and Joel follows her there without her knowing (the end reveal of the 2019 trailer). So here's a very elaborate guess: Tommy is kidnapped by the Fireflies, who it turns out only kidnapped him to get to Joel and/or Ellie. The Fireflies are still out for vengeance and/or to get Ellie to make a vaccine from her, but since the two are safe within the protection of Jackson, they lure Tommy out instead: an easier target as he was a former Firefly and more inclined to meet with them. Ellie may or may not know she's the reason Tommy is kidnapped, but she decides to go and rescue him both out of the care for the man but also for Joel's sake as she doesn't think her father figure who's slowly nearing sixty should be expected to go on an exhausting and dangerous quest again. Travelling to Seattle, the WLF group she fights is just a red herring to get through: the real enemy is the Fireflies waiting for her and Joel to show up. As they do, the Fireflies reveal their plan and confront Ellie by asking if she knows about what Joel really did. Ellie does, which is what caused a big rift in their relationship before, but she'll be damned if they do anything to Joel in return. Her efforts are in vain, however, as the Fireflies kill Joel in front of her and Tommy, possibly accompanied with some comment as "That was for Marlene and all our friends", or "That's for stealing mankind's cure." Ellie and Tommy break free, kill the present Fireflies right back in exploding grief and anger and make their way back to Jackson. Ellie can't bear with the loss of Joel, realizes he was right about the Fireflies and why he saved her from them before, and thus she'll "finish it" (stated in the 2019 trailer) aka. "finish" what Joel started by "killing the rest of the Fireflies". This is also why Tommy comes to her house with a sad expression, why she discusses what she'll do with him and him telling her she "has no idea what [she's] up against": he's a former Firefly and is warning Ellie about taking them all on. There's no stopping Ellie, however, and she leaves on her infamous quest.
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It's confirmed that Ellie apparently goes to Seattle to rescue Tommy, who was kidnapped, and Joel follows her there without her knowing (the end reveal of the 2019 trailer). So here's a very elaborate guess: guess (that probably won't come true but let's have fun anyway): Tommy is kidnapped by the Fireflies, who it turns out only kidnapped him to get to Joel and/or Ellie. The Fireflies are still out for vengeance and/or to get Ellie to make a vaccine from her, but since the two are safe within the protection of Jackson, they lure Tommy out instead: an easier target as he was a former Firefly and more inclined to meet with them. Ellie may or may not know she's the reason Tommy is kidnapped, but she decides to go and rescue him both out of the care for the man but also for Joel's sake as she doesn't think her father figure who's slowly nearing sixty should be expected to go on an exhausting and dangerous quest again. Travelling to Seattle, the WLF group she fights is just a red herring to get through: the real enemy is the Fireflies waiting for her and Joel to show up. As they do, the Fireflies reveal their plan and confront Ellie by asking if she knows about what Joel really did. Ellie does, which is what caused a big rift in their relationship before, but she'll be damned if they do anything to Joel in return. Her efforts are in vain, however, as the Fireflies kill Joel in front of her and Tommy, possibly accompanied with some comment as "That was for Marlene and all our friends", or "That's for stealing mankind's cure." Ellie and Tommy break free, kill the present Fireflies right back in exploding grief and anger and make their way back to Jackson. Ellie can't bear with the loss of Joel, realizes he was right about the Fireflies and why he saved her from them before, and thus she'll "finish it" (stated in the 2019 trailer) aka. "finish" what Joel started by "killing the rest of the Fireflies". This is also why Tommy comes to her house with a sad expression, why she discusses what she'll do with him and him telling her she "has no idea what [she's] up against": he's a former Firefly and is warning Ellie about taking them all on. There's no stopping Ellie, however, and she leaves on her infamous quest.
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[[WMG: Joel is killed in Seattle which is what sets Ellie's revenge quest off.]]
It's confirmed that Ellie apparently goes to Seattle to rescue Tommy, who was kidnapped, and Joel follows her there without her knowing (the end reveal of the 2019 trailer). So here's a very elaborate guess: Tommy is kidnapped by the Fireflies, who it turns out only kidnapped him to get to Joel and/or Ellie. The Fireflies are still out for vengeance and/or to get Ellie to make a vaccine from her, but since the two are safe within the protection of Jackson, they lure Tommy out instead: an easier target as he was a former Firefly and more inclined to meet with them. Ellie may or may not know she's the reason Tommy is kidnapped, but she decides to go and rescue him both out of the care for the man but also for Joel's sake as she doesn't think her father figure who's slowly nearing sixty should be expected to go on an exhausting and dangerous quest again. Travelling to Seattle, the WLF group she fights is just a red herring to get through: the real enemy is the Fireflies waiting for her and Joel to show up. As they do, the Fireflies reveal their plan and confront Ellie by asking if she knows about what Joel really did. Ellie does, which is what caused a big rift in their relationship before, but she'll be damned if they do anything to Joel in return. Her efforts are in vain, however, as the Fireflies kill Joel in front of her and Tommy, possibly accompanied with some comment as "That was for Marlene and all our friends", or "That's for stealing mankind's cure." Ellie and Tommy break free, kill the present Fireflies right back in exploding grief and anger and make their way back to Jackson. Ellie can't bear with the loss of Joel, realizes he was right about the Fireflies and why he saved her from them before, and thus she'll "finish it" (as said in the 2019 trailer) aka. "finish" what Joel started by "killing the rest of the Fireflies". This is also why Tommy comes to her house with a sad expression, why she discusses what she'll do with him and him telling her she "has no idea what [she's] up against": he's a former Firefly and is warning Ellie about taking them all on. There's no stopping Ellie, however, and she leaves on her infamous quest.
It's confirmed that Ellie apparently goes to Seattle to rescue Tommy, who was kidnapped, and Joel follows her there without her knowing (the end reveal of the 2019 trailer). So here's a very elaborate guess: Tommy is kidnapped by the Fireflies, who it turns out only kidnapped him to get to Joel and/or Ellie. The Fireflies are still out for vengeance and/or to get Ellie to make a vaccine from her, but since the two are safe within the protection of Jackson, they lure Tommy out instead: an easier target as he was a former Firefly and more inclined to meet with them. Ellie may or may not know she's the reason Tommy is kidnapped, but she decides to go and rescue him both out of the care for the man but also for Joel's sake as she doesn't think her father figure who's slowly nearing sixty should be expected to go on an exhausting and dangerous quest again. Travelling to Seattle, the WLF group she fights is just a red herring to get through: the real enemy is the Fireflies waiting for her and Joel to show up. As they do, the Fireflies reveal their plan and confront Ellie by asking if she knows about what Joel really did. Ellie does, which is what caused a big rift in their relationship before, but she'll be damned if they do anything to Joel in return. Her efforts are in vain, however, as the Fireflies kill Joel in front of her and Tommy, possibly accompanied with some comment as "That was for Marlene and all our friends", or "That's for stealing mankind's cure." Ellie and Tommy break free, kill the present Fireflies right back in exploding grief and anger and make their way back to Jackson. Ellie can't bear with the loss of Joel, realizes he was right about the Fireflies and why he saved her from them before, and thus she'll "finish it" (as said in the 2019 trailer) aka. "finish" what Joel started by "killing the rest of the Fireflies". This is also why Tommy comes to her house with a sad expression, why she discusses what she'll do with him and him telling her she "has no idea what [she's] up against": he's a former Firefly and is warning Ellie about taking them all on. There's no stopping Ellie, however, and she leaves on her infamous quest.
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