History WMG / TheHunchbackOfNotreDame

15th Mar '17 2:17:14 AM Ingonyama
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* He already helped her by upholding sanctuary and doing more was outside his purview. The church had the right to secure sanctuary, but anything else would have been aiding and abetting crime (and Frollo defined crime in Paris). If the Archdeacon had helped, Frollo would have suspended by law the authority of the Archdeacon inside church grounds effectively annuling Esmeralda's sanctuary. The second question that needs to be answered is: what could he have done? Frollo's guards were patrolling the area around the Cathedral (as evidenced by the guard reporting her escape midway Hellfire). The Archdeacon would have had to arrange outside help, most probably from Clopin and his Gypsies (with whom the Archdeacon probably didn't have contact before, and considering the secrecy of the Court of Miracles he would not have succeeded in doing it on his own). To help Esmeralda he would have had to abandon his daily routine (archdeacons do have a job, you know?) all without giving the guards any hints that 'something was up'. No, I think the Archdeacon did enough and cared enough.

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* He already helped her by upholding sanctuary and doing more was outside his purview. The church had the right to secure sanctuary, but anything else would have been aiding and abetting crime (and Frollo defined crime in Paris). If the Archdeacon had helped, Frollo would have suspended by law the authority of the Archdeacon inside church grounds effectively annuling annulling Esmeralda's sanctuary. The second question that needs to be answered is: what could he have done? Frollo's guards were patrolling the area around the Cathedral (as evidenced by the guard reporting her escape midway Hellfire). The Archdeacon would have had to arrange outside help, most probably from Clopin and his Gypsies (with whom the Archdeacon probably didn't have contact before, and considering the secrecy of the Court of Miracles he would not have succeeded in doing it on his own). To help Esmeralda he would have had to abandon his daily routine (archdeacons do have a job, you know?) all without giving the guards any hints that 'something was up'. No, I think the Archdeacon did enough and cared enough.



* The Archdeacon was an old man in the film so he whould'nt be able to stop Frollo even if he wanted to. He was probley "turning the other cheek". Besides in that time period the physically deformed were believed to be a sin so Quasimodo whould have been killed if he wasn't trapped in the bell tower.

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* The Archdeacon was an old man in the film so he whould'nt wouldn't be able to stop Frollo even if he wanted to. He was probley probably "turning the other cheek". Besides in that time period the physically deformed were believed to be a sin so Quasimodo whould would have been killed if he wasn't trapped in the bell tower.




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* LOL! This may also explain why the animators hated drawing it, because they knew its true secret.



* Frollo and the Archdeacon look the complete opposite strengthens the theory that they reflect his good and evil sides. Where Frollo is tall, thin, ghastly-looking and wears all black, the Archdeacon is short, chubby, grandfatherly and wears all white. And don't forget Frollo claiming "My conscience is clear!" when Archdeacon calls him out for his willingness to commit two murders. It could represent his inner fight with pity and guilt. And it would also explain why the Archdeacon is nowhere to be seen when Frollo burns the Paris. After Hellfire, he clearly lost the grasp from his sanity and conscience, and it's last, desperate attempt is to stop him from attacking the church; but by then, he's too far in the deep end to listen.

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* That Frollo and the Archdeacon look the complete opposite strengthens the theory that they reflect his good and evil sides. Where Frollo is tall, thin, ghastly-looking and wears all black, the Archdeacon is short, chubby, grandfatherly and wears all white. And don't forget Frollo claiming "My conscience is clear!" when Archdeacon calls him out for his willingness to commit two murders. It could represent his inner fight with pity and guilt. And it would also explain why the Archdeacon is nowhere to be seen when Frollo burns the Paris. After Hellfire, he clearly lost the grasp from his sanity and conscience, and it's its last, desperate attempt is to stop him from attacking the church; but by then, he's too far in off the deep end to listen.



**** Actually, eagle-eyed viewers finally noticed him on the Blu-ray, in the shadows of the cathedral at the end as Phoebus and Esmeralda are with Quasi and guiding him out the door. Of course the fact no one acknowledges him (and that he's in the shadows) could mean he isn't really there, one last bit of Quasi's mind trying to grasp onto the love he thought Frollo bore him, making him appear to bless his friends' union and be happy for his acceptance by Paris...



* The above how it ''really'' was, but Clopin (who is the narrator) changed it so that the children he was telling the story to would not be confused.

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* The above is how it ''really'' was, but Clopin (who is the narrator) changed it so that the children he was telling the story to would not be confused.




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** If this WMG were true, it would be a great ShoutOut of sorts to the original book, since there Esmerlada was taken from her non-Gypsy mother, and the baby that was left in her place ''was'' Quasimodo (they were close to the same age there), thus already suggesting a connection between them.




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*** Maybe Quasi imagined this too, to help convince himself the gargoyles were real? Or because he thought it was funny.



** Manifestations of the traits Quasimodo actually has, but doesn't ''think'' he has because Frollo has convinced him he's an ignorant monster. LaVerne is kindness and compassion, plus the potential to be a DeadpanSnarker. Victor is intelligence and class. Hugo is humor and sanguine traits.

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** Manifestations of the traits Quasimodo actually has, but doesn't ''think'' he has because Frollo has convinced him he's an ignorant monster. LaVerne Laverne is kindness and compassion, plus the potential to be a DeadpanSnarker. Victor is intelligence and class. Hugo is humor and sanguine traits.



** Quasi's Id (Hugo) Ego (LaVerne) and Super-Ego (Victor).

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** Quasi's Id (Hugo) Ego (LaVerne) (Laverne) and Super-Ego (Victor).



** And at the end, The reason Frollo fell to his death was because he inadvertently damaged the Cathedral in trying to kill Quasi and Esmerelda. The Cathedral does not approve of murder.

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** And at the end, The reason Frollo fell to his death was because he inadvertently damaged the Cathedral in trying to kill Quasi and Esmerelda.Esmeralda. The Cathedral does not approve of murder.



People have been wondering for ages where the heck the King of France was while a mere Minister of Justice who isn't even noble was burning down Paris on a whim, which ''is'' a pretty big plot hole. However, remembering Belle's cameo[[note]]And I know the creators have deemed it non-canonical, but I'm just having a bit of fun here.[[/note]], we could coclude this takes place in the same universe as ''Beauty and the Beast'', and, assuming we throw all notions of real history out the window, then this all becomes clear. And also solves another big plot hole, one from ''Beauty and the Beast'': how the heck nobody took ''notice'' of the fact that, you know, the freaking Heir to the Crown had vanished. Judging from the Beast's assumed age, his father (or grandfather) the ruling King was probably pretty old when the curse was cast. As soon as said old King died, the country would have probably succumbed to a troubled political regency at best and a civil war at worst (that may, in fact, be the war Phoebus was fighting prior to the events of the film). In such a period, any relatively important guy in command of an army could seize control of a town with relative impunity, especially if he was already a high-ranking member of government before the crash, and even moreso if he has ties to the Church. Guess who fits that bill to a T? Judge Claude Frollo, the devout Minister of Justice.
* For bonus points, if this goes on long enough, France would probably end up split apart into several mini-countries ruled by noblemen-turned-Kings. This could be where the early-19th-century ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'', with is apparently-French small kingdom, comes in.

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People have been wondering for ages where the heck the King of France was while a mere Minister of Justice who isn't even noble was burning down Paris on a whim, which ''is'' a pretty big plot hole. However, remembering Belle's cameo[[note]]And I know the creators have deemed it non-canonical, but I'm just having a bit of fun here.[[/note]], we could coclude conclude this takes place in the same universe as ''Beauty and the Beast'', and, assuming we throw all notions of real history out the window, then this all becomes clear. And also solves another big plot hole, one from ''Beauty and the Beast'': how the heck nobody took ''notice'' of the fact that, you know, the freaking Heir to the Crown had vanished. Judging from the Beast's assumed age, his father (or grandfather) the ruling King was probably pretty old when the curse was cast. As soon as said old King died, the country would have probably succumbed to a troubled political regency at best and a civil war at worst (that may, in fact, be the war Phoebus was fighting prior to the events of the film). In such a period, any relatively important guy in command of an army could seize control of a town with relative impunity, especially if he was already a high-ranking member of government before the crash, and even moreso if he has ties to the Church. Guess who fits that bill to a T? Judge Claude Frollo, the devout Minister of Justice.
* For bonus points, if this goes on long enough, France would probably end up split apart into several mini-countries ruled by noblemen-turned-Kings. This could be where the early-19th-century ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'', with is its apparently-French small kingdom, comes in.



** And, considering the upbringing he's had… maybe that's part of why he's so self-righteously religious: he might have received abuse similar to what he inflicted on Quasimodo [[DarkPowersGoodPeople for his demonic ability to control fire]].

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** And, considering the upbringing he's had… maybe that's part of why he's so self-righteously religious: he might have received abuse similar to what he inflicted on Quasimodo [[DarkPowersGoodPeople [[BadPowersGoodPeople for his demonic ability to control fire]].



* I'll one-up you: ALL of the Gypsies are Assassins: Esmeralda and Quasimodo's mother at least seem to be pretty good at escaping from the local guards; Quasimodo's own [[LeParkour parkour]] could be the result of genetic memory, with the abilities themselves coming naturally given his bell tower home. Frollo isn't trying to exterminate the local Roma because he's a racist, it's because he's a Templar, which would also at least to some degree justify his very un-Christian behavior (even though other Templars like Sibrand, Borgia, and Robert de Sable were straight-up athiests; maybe Frollo is a late enroll-ee to the Order and is too set in his ways to completely give up his beliefs). Quasimodo, of course, never knows any of this because he was never told about the Assassin-Templar conspiracy and, except for the genetic memory parkour, doesn't have any Assassin skills as well as knowing nothing of the Creed.

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* I'll one-up you: ALL of the Gypsies are Assassins: Esmeralda and Quasimodo's mother at least seem to be pretty good at escaping from the local guards; Quasimodo's own [[LeParkour parkour]] could be the result of genetic memory, with the abilities themselves coming naturally given his bell tower home. Frollo isn't trying to exterminate the local Roma because he's a racist, it's because he's a Templar, which would also at least to some degree justify his very un-Christian behavior (even though other Templars like Sibrand, Borgia, and Robert de Sable were straight-up athiests; atheists; maybe Frollo is a late enroll-ee to the Order and is too set in his ways to completely give up his beliefs). Quasimodo, of course, never knows any of this because he was never told about the Assassin-Templar conspiracy and, except for the genetic memory parkour, doesn't have any Assassin skills as well as knowing nothing of the Creed.
21st Feb '17 9:18:46 PM EvelynMichelle
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* Frollo
8th Feb '17 6:02:05 PM Theatre_Maven_3695
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** You're implying he contracted an advanced-stage STD (things like syphilis and gonorrhea don't cause mental decay till the tertiary stage for syph, and advanced stage for the clap). in what has to be less than a month or two? [[ArtisticLicenseBiology I'm sorry, what?]]
8th Feb '17 5:52:23 PM Theatre_Maven_3695
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** Your point about the lyrics "Destroy Esmeralda..." would be good, if it wasn't for the fact that he sings that [[UnfortunateImplications while adressing the Virgin Mary]].

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** Your point about the lyrics "Destroy Esmeralda..." would be good, if it wasn't for the fact that he sings that [[UnfortunateImplications while adressing addressing the Virgin Mary]].Mary.
29th Jan '17 1:34:13 PM PrincessGwen
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oh maybe the "dad" got released from the Palace of Justice and hooked up with the "mom"'s sister or cousin who just happened to look like the "mom" and had Esmerlda. (or it could have happened prior to the movie too) maybe the dad had two children at the same time

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oh Or maybe the "dad" got released from the Palace of Justice and hooked up with the "mom"'s sister or cousin who just happened to look like the "mom" and had Esmerlda. Esmeralda. (or it could have happened prior to the movie too) maybe too). Maybe the dad had two children at the same time
time.



* It would certainly explain Clopin's hatred of Frollo, and how he already knows about Quasi's(supposedly)adoptive mother.

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* It would certainly explain Clopin's hatred of Frollo, and how he already knows about Quasi's(supposedly)adoptive Quasi's (supposedly) adoptive mother.



* Frollo is a cross between Demona and Xanatos. She treats Gypsies the same way Demona treats humans.

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* Frollo is a cross between Demona and Xanatos. She He treats Gypsies the same way Demona treats humans.



* Esmeralda is Eliza Maza. Their both the ActionGirls, and both are the love interest of TheHero.

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* Esmeralda is Eliza Elisa Maza. Their They're both the ActionGirls, and both are the love interest of TheHero.
8th Dec '16 5:35:30 PM HotHead1987
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[[WMG: This movie is an Elseorld version of Disney's Gargoyles]]

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[[WMG: This movie is an Elseorld Elseworld version of Disney's Gargoyles]]
8th Dec '16 5:26:04 PM HotHead1987
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[[WMG: This movie is an Elseorld version of Disney's Gargoyles]]
With a similar artstyle, same DarkerAndEdgier tone, and similar characters, the show is an alternate continuity of Gargoyles.
* Frollo is a cross between Demona and Xanatos. She treats Gypsies the same way Demona treats humans.
* Phoebus is Goliath.
* Quasimodo is the lancer to Phoebus, much like Brooklyn is to Goliath.
* Esmeralda is Eliza Maza. Their both the ActionGirls, and both are the love interest of TheHero.
30th Nov '16 1:38:26 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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After finishing his story, the children he was telling it to wanted more from him, and he decided to tell them another story. But since Clopin had no real life events to base it off of, or less time to write the story (depending on if you think the film's events are real in-universe or a story Clopin wrote, take your pick), it's nowhere near as good as the original. The kids wanted the story less dark, so Clopin made it lighter and softer. They were also upset that Quasimodo didn't get the girl in the end, hence why he's StrangledByTheRedString in the second film. It would also explain why Sarousch is so one-note, and also some of the more ridiculous aspects of the film (like how logic-defying La Fidel is).

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After finishing his story, the children he was telling it to wanted more from him, and he decided to tell them another story. But since Clopin had no real life events to base it off of, or less time to write the story (depending on if you think the film's events are real in-universe or a story Clopin wrote, take your pick), it's nowhere near as good as the original. The kids wanted the story less dark, so Clopin made it lighter and softer. They were also upset that Quasimodo didn't get the girl in the end, hence why he's StrangledByTheRedString in the second film. It would also explain why Sarousch is so one-note, and also some of the more ridiculous aspects of the film (like how logic-defying La Fidel Fidèle is).




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[[WMG: This movie happened shortly after Disney's 'Beauty and the Beast']]
People have been wondering for ages where the heck the King of France was while a mere Minister of Justice who isn't even noble was burning down Paris on a whim, which ''is'' a pretty big plot hole. However, remembering Belle's cameo[[note]]And I know the creators have deemed it non-canonical, but I'm just having a bit of fun here.[[/note]], we could coclude this takes place in the same universe as ''Beauty and the Beast'', and, assuming we throw all notions of real history out the window, then this all becomes clear. And also solves another big plot hole, one from ''Beauty and the Beast'': how the heck nobody took ''notice'' of the fact that, you know, the freaking Heir to the Crown had vanished. Judging from the Beast's assumed age, his father (or grandfather) the ruling King was probably pretty old when the curse was cast. As soon as said old King died, the country would have probably succumbed to a troubled political regency at best and a civil war at worst (that may, in fact, be the war Phoebus was fighting prior to the events of the film). In such a period, any relatively important guy in command of an army could seize control of a town with relative impunity, especially if he was already a high-ranking member of government before the crash, and even moreso if he has ties to the Church. Guess who fits that bill to a T? Judge Claude Frollo, the devout Minister of Justice.
* For bonus points, if this goes on long enough, France would probably end up split apart into several mini-countries ruled by noblemen-turned-Kings. This could be where the early-19th-century ''Disney/{{Cinderella}}'', with is apparently-French small kingdom, comes in.



* Since he had no teacher, he is neither in control nor even fully aware of his ability though.

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* Since he had no teacher, he is neither in control nor even fully aware of his ability, though.
** And, considering the upbringing he's had… maybe that's part of why he's so self-righteously religious: he might have received abuse similar to what he inflicted on Quasimodo [[DarkPowersGoodPeople for his demonic
ability though.
to control fire]].
30th Nov '16 1:18:09 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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** For the last point, heh, citation needed. With a certain amount of time and a certain amount of humility beaten into him, perhaps he could eventually repent. He's not a sociopath - he can ''definitely'' feel guilt, it's all over ''Hellfire'' (even if it's for the wrong things) — so I think a few centuries in purgatory might fix him up.
21st Jul '16 11:30:59 PM AtarahDerek
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[[WMG: The man seen protecting Quasi's mother in the opening is his uncle.]]
He looks nothing like Quasi, and refers to the baby with disdain. But he is obviously very protective of Quasi's mother. And it's not unreasonable to assume the two are related by blood. Perhaps brother and sister?
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