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* Except... the children born during the given year all have their ceremonies the same day. This means little for twelve-year-olds, but for babies under one? Quite a lot. He may simply be the youngest.
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** He does admit to [[spoiler:''Rosemary'' being his daughter]], although the same is implied with [[spoiler:''Chief Eldress'' being her parent]].
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Because the male Elders father the children. The old-fashioned way. They're the leaders--why should they bother to suppress the "stirrings"? They can probably justify it to themselves because their superior Elder genes should be passed on to future generations. The female Elders, on the other hand, don't want to be waddling around for nine months, so they either take the pills or use birth control.

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Because the male Elders father the children. The old-fashioned way. They're the leaders--why should they bother to suppress the "stirrings"? They can probably justify it to themselves because their superior Elder genes should be passed on to future generations. The female Elders, on the other hand, don't want to be waddling around for nine months, ''especially'' when they still have their ''political'' duties, so they either take the pills or use birth control.
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* Also it's implied that Rosemary was the biological daughter of ''both'' of them, so either they were ''married'' or at least ''lovers''.


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* Also it's implied that [[spoiler: Rosemary was the biological daughter of ''both'' of them, them]], so either they were ''married'' or at least ''lovers''.

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\n* Also it's implied that Rosemary was the biological daughter of ''both'' of them, so either they were ''married'' or at least ''lovers''.

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The Giver gives memories to Jonas by... having Jonas take off his shirt in front of him and he places his hands on his bare back, which gives Jonas memories and emotions he doesn't know how to comprehend. When Jonas realises he can do the same to Gabriel, he is of course confused. The society is ''heavily'' puritanical (to the point of trying to suppress peoples' sexualities) yet The Giver is so important he can essentially get away with molesting little kids. One of the kids who was intended to be the next Giver committed suicide cause she didn't know how to handle it all. By running away, Jonas attempts to break the cycle, cause he would probably end up molesting Gabriel the same way The Giver molested him. This is how people who are "important" to society get away with sexual assault and how it can be covered up - and how he would end up perpetuating this cycle of sexual abuse.

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The Giver gives memories to Jonas by... having Jonas take off his shirt in front of him and he places his hands on his bare back, which gives Jonas memories and emotions he doesn't know how to comprehend. When Jonas realises he can do the same to Gabriel, he is of course confused. The society is ''heavily'' puritanical (to the point of trying to suppress peoples' sexualities) yet The Giver is so important he can essentially get away with molesting little kids. One of the kids who was intended to be the next Giver committed suicide cause she didn't know how to handle it all. By running away, Jonas attempts to break the cycle, cause he would probably end up molesting Gabriel the same way The Giver molested him. This is how people who are "important" to society get away with sexual assault and how it can be covered up - and how he would end up perpetuating this cycle of sexual abuse.abuse.

[[WMG: The Community Wouldn't Have Killed Gabriel If They Knew He Had Memories]]
It's already explained that Jonas panicked on hearing that his brother was going to be Released. Hence, he didn't consider that if the baby died, all of his happy memories would have flooded the Community. They wouldn't know how to deal with that much joy and relaxation and find it suspicious. If Jonas had told someone or if they had figured it out, Gabriel's Release would be canceled or delayed until he got older or the memories could be transferred; Jonas knows he can't take the memory back and wouldn't anyway. Would Jonas get censured for breaking the rules? Probably, though he could argue under LoopholeAbuse that he never "told" Gabriel about his training, only used the memories to help him sleep. Would they both face the needle? Probably not, given Jonas has a years' worth of good ''and'' bad memories. On the other hand, if Jonas hadn't escaped with Gabriel, they wouldn't have worked together to stop the Trademaster many years later.

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* Technically we didn't really get to the magic part until the sequels made the gift part more blatant. In just The Giver you may have been excused thinking it was all going to get some scifi explanation. Once the Trademaster showed up all that went out the window.
* Also, yes blame the academics. And take note there may be a reason a lot of utopian dreamers tend to turn against academia as they grow up. But also don't blame some individual teachers for choices made way above their pay-grade.
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* Perhaps because they thought Jonas was to be the new receiver, they didn't need another person who could have the gift in the community. And as i turns out he does have it and a wholly separate gift as seen in Son.

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* Perhaps because they thought Jonas was to be the new receiver, they didn't need another person who could have the gift in the community. And as i it turns out he does have it and a wholly separate gift as seen in Son.

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** Or Gabe [[FridgeHorror has autism]]. Further supported by an inability to track toys with his eyes.

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** Or Gabe [[FridgeHorror has autism]].autism. Further supported by an inability to track toys with his eyes.
*** I don't think that does support it. Autism is usually associated with issues with eye ''contact'', not tracking inanimate objects; unless we're talking a sensory overload situation, most Autistic people can track objects fine.
** ''Son'' also reveals that there was something physically not quite right with his Birthmother, enough that she was reassigned over it. It's never explained beyond that, but complications in pregnancy or delivery could have caused some problem in Gabriel's development. (In some ways, the idea that the two are connected seems to make more sense than random coincidence.)

[[WMG: Gabriel was premature]]
Jonas' father mentions that Gabriel is also not growing well physically. And if you read carefully, ''Son'' says that Gabriel was born nine months after his mother was inseminated, when a full term pregnancy would be closer to nine-and-a-half or ten. If he was late pre-term rather than full-term, he might not have obvious complications, but it could account for his physical and mental delays, especially right at the beginning. Since those things tend to even out by the time the child is a few years old, it would explain why Gabriel doesn't seem to have issues in ''Messenger'' or the latter part of ''Son''.



The only difference is the existance of a single "country"[[note]]or group of "countries", [[{{FanonDiscontinuity}}if you count the "sequels" as canon]][[/note]]. To the outside, it's just another third word country[[note]]or group of countries[[/note]]. The Elders make sure everyone thinks of it that way.

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The only difference is the existance existence of a single "country"[[note]]or group of "countries", [[{{FanonDiscontinuity}}if you count the "sequels" as canon]][[/note]]. To the outside, it's just another third word country[[note]]or group of countries[[/note]]. The Elders make sure everyone thinks of it that way.


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* {{Jossed}} by the sequels.
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He's a sperm donor, like other men in the Community, and his seed is "sown" at regular intervals over the years so that there's always at least one apt Receiver - not all potential Receivers might start Seeing Beyond, for instance, and one child might die before reaching the age of eleven. That's how they inherited the pale eyes and the capacity for receiving memory. The Giver knows this, and knows this is how it's been done, back and back and back; the children have no idea.
* Very likely. But i'd say the Giver himself is just another descendent of the original receiver that was probably involved in the creation of the community. The receiver's or non selected ones with blue eyes must be selected as birth mothers or sperm doners to keep that gift alive in the population.

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He's a sperm donor, like other men in the Community, and his seed is "sown" at regular intervals over the years so that there's always at least one apt Receiver - not all potential Receivers might start Seeing Beyond, for instance, and one child might die before reaching the age of eleven.a baby could end up being Released (as Gabriel nearly was). That's how they inherited the pale eyes and the capacity for receiving memory. The Giver knows this, and knows this is how it's been done, back and back and back; the children have no idea.
* Very likely. But i'd I'd say the Giver himself is just another descendent descendant of the original receiver that was probably involved in the creation of the community. The receiver's or non selected ones with blue eyes must be selected as birth mothers or sperm doners to They'd keep taking DNA from any descendants that gift alive in reached adulthood and keep the population.
line going that way.
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[[WMG: The different Communities are related to the Vaults from {{Fallout}} in some form.]]

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[[WMG: The different Communities are related to the Vaults from {{Fallout}} ''VideoGame/{{Fallout}}'' in some form.]]
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* * [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/2493.Lois_Lowry/questions Jossed]] by WordOfGod at least with regards to the children being produced by sexual intercourse. No word on the fathers of the children.

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* * [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/2493.Lois_Lowry/questions Jossed]] by WordOfGod at least with regards to the children being produced by sexual intercourse. No word on the fathers of the children.
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It doesn't make much sense to interpret the book as a cautionary tale of utopian schemes, since the Community could not exist without magic. Lois Lowry just wanted to write about a world devoid of emotions, and set up the backstory to justify it, especially when one includes the sequels, which show more of [[WorldGoneMad this world]]. As for everything else, blame your [[DeathOfTheAuthor English teachers]].

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It doesn't make much sense to interpret the book as a cautionary tale of utopian schemes, since the Community could not exist without magic. Lois Lowry just wanted to write about a world devoid of emotions, and set up the backstory to justify it, especially when one includes the sequels, which show more of [[WorldGoneMad this world]]. As for everything else, blame your [[DeathOfTheAuthor English teachers]].teachers]].

[[WMG: It's actually an allegory for sexual assault and the cycle of abuse.]]
The Giver gives memories to Jonas by... having Jonas take off his shirt in front of him and he places his hands on his bare back, which gives Jonas memories and emotions he doesn't know how to comprehend. When Jonas realises he can do the same to Gabriel, he is of course confused. The society is ''heavily'' puritanical (to the point of trying to suppress peoples' sexualities) yet The Giver is so important he can essentially get away with molesting little kids. One of the kids who was intended to be the next Giver committed suicide cause she didn't know how to handle it all. By running away, Jonas attempts to break the cycle, cause he would probably end up molesting Gabriel the same way The Giver molested him. This is how people who are "important" to society get away with sexual assault and how it can be covered up - and how he would end up perpetuating this cycle of sexual abuse.

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