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16th Mar '16 7:46:16 AM Laina1312
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** This doesn't necessarily mean the Community wants Stirrings to be allowed in that time it's possible that the pill, which might be a hormonal supprssant, happens to inhibit conception as a side effect, so it has to be skipped to allow pregnancy,

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** This doesn't necessarily mean the Community wants Stirrings to be allowed in that time it's possible that the pill, which might be a hormonal supprssant, suppressant, happens to inhibit conception as a side effect, so it has to be skipped to allow pregnancy,
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** Probably it wouldn't be able to suppress hormones completely. That would cause people not to go through puberty, like hormone blockers for trans kids. Possibly it's like birth control in that it could be harmful for a pregnancy or anti-depressants, both of which can suppress sex drive, and both of which aren't usually advised to take during pregnancy.
4th Mar '16 7:34:10 AM MegaMarioMan
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In this alternate universe, Canada shut off the rest of the world to defect to Sameness. While more modern memories are said to have taken place hundreds of years ago, these are simply false memories that whoever rules the "country" has implanted even into the Receiver/Giver's mind. [[spoiler: At the end of the book, when Jonas and Gabe collapse on the hill, they are found by a caroling family from {{Detroit}}/{{Seattle}}/Buffalo, and are taken in by them.]]

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In this alternate universe, Canada shut off the rest of the world to defect to Sameness. While more modern memories are said to have taken place hundreds of years ago, these are simply false memories that whoever rules the "country" has implanted even into the Receiver/Giver's mind. [[spoiler: At the end of the book, when Jonas and Gabe collapse on the hill, they are found by a caroling family from {{Detroit}}/{{Seattle}}/Buffalo, UsefulNotes/{{Detroit}}/UsefulNotes/{{Seattle}}/Buffalo, and are taken in by them.]]
22nd Jan '16 5:01:33 AM ayjazz
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\n*** Even so, she seems to be more knowledgeable about things than the other elders, who are probably of the same age. During the kiss scene, while the others look upon it with confusion, she seems to know the implication of the act. Also, during the first meeting between the Elder and the Giver, The Giver remarks that sharing memories is a rule that is commonly broken, and seems to hint that he did it with her when they were young.

2nd Nov '15 11:09:03 AM devilkisses
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* If your eyes don't only have rods you end up with [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achromatopsia achromatopsia.]] Achromatopsia isn't just black and white vision. It also makes you photophobic and visually impaired. It doesn't seem like the characters in The Giver have those other symptoms.

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* If your eyes don't only have rods you end up with [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achromatopsia achromatopsia.]] Achromatopsia isn't just black and white vision. It also makes you photophobic and visually impaired. It doesn't seem like the characters in The Giver have those other symptoms.
2nd Nov '15 11:06:57 AM devilkisses
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* If your eyes don't only have rods you end up with [[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achromatopsia achromatopsia.]] Achromatopsia isn't just black and white vision. It also makes you photophobic and visually impaired. It doesn't seem like the characters in The Giver have those other symptoms.
8th Apr '15 11:38:14 AM LupineMoon
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* * [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/2493.Lois_Lowry/questions Jossed]] by WordOfGod at least with regards to the children being produced by sexual intercourse. No word on the fathers of the children.
5th Apr '15 1:31:06 PM meteoramonk
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** The Chief Elder took in memories when Rosemary died.

4th Feb '15 4:22:14 PM Homemaderat
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** The book never goes into detail of how technologically advanced/delayed the community is other than it' the same. Some of the stuff gives hints of it being decent tech with the speakers etc. However later sequels do show us other communities are much less advanced. But given when this series takes place, clearly certain groups took what was left of the technology more than others.




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* Very likely. But i'd say the Giver himself is just another descendent of the original receiver that was probably involved in the creation of the community. The receiver's or non selected ones with blue eyes must be selected as birth mothers or sperm doners to keep that gift alive in the population.




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** It's likely while he really did find the place he could have been hallucinating a bit at the very end of the book given what he had just gone through.




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* Perhaps because they thought Jonas was to be the new receiver, they didn't need another person who could have the gift in the community. And as i turns out he does have it and a wholly separate gift as seen in Son.




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** Highly probable but not confirmed. The community's model clearly needs a receiver, passing on the original's gene to hope of creating kids with that gift seem an obvious thing to work into the system from day one.



The actual process of Giving is unexplained. Perhaps it's just something certain people can do and has always been in our world, or it's the result of genetic engineering or something supernatural. In any case, maybe the discovery or invention of telepathy somehow lead to so much trouble and chaos that Communities were formed to solve things in a post-apocalyptic world like how Vulcans developed a logic-oriented way of life so that their extreme emotions wouldn't get the better of them. The film adaption is the strongest evidence for something like this, because [[spoiler:at the end, when Jonas crosses a barrier many miles outside the Community, the whole place is flooded with memories of the past]].

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The actual process of Giving is unexplained. Perhaps it's just something certain people can do and has always been in our world, or it's the result of genetic engineering or something supernatural. In any case, maybe the discovery or invention of telepathy somehow lead to so much trouble and chaos that Communities were formed to solve things in a post-apocalyptic world like how Vulcans developed a logic-oriented way of life so that their extreme emotions wouldn't get the better of them. The film adaption is the strongest evidence for something like this, because [[spoiler:at the end, when Jonas crosses a barrier many miles outside the Community, the whole place is flooded with memories of the past]].past]].
* This seems very probable. The community itself needs a receiver of memory to function. So no doubt the original receiver himself/herself was more than likely in on it and became a spermdoner/birthmother with the full intent of passing on his "gift"(as the powers are described later in the series) on to other generations. The blue eyes being an oddity to the community could be left in to identify the people who are descendents of the line and may grow up to be candidates to be the next receiver.
8th Jan '15 8:43:36 AM ayjazz
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[[spoiler: At Fiona's release, she seems adamant about keeping Sameness, and in her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans speech to The Giver, she shows a startling amount of knowledge about the old world and the horrors it contained. Also, the scene where she sees Fional and Jonas kissing, while the other Elders look at it with confusion, she seems to know more about the implications of their act. [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/2493.Lois_Lowry/questions Lowry even]] points out the movie hints to a relationship between the two, so it is possible that during that time, The Giver shared memories of the old world with her, only she became frightful and resistant against it. It is even possible that the Chief Elder by law has knowledge about the old world as well, but this is kept a secret.]]

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[[spoiler: At Fiona's release, she seems adamant about keeping Sameness, and in her UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans speech to The Giver, she shows a startling amount of knowledge about the old world and the horrors it contained. Also, the scene where she sees Fional Fiona and Jonas kissing, while the other Elders look at it with confusion, she seems to know more about the implications of their act. [[https://www.goodreads.com/author/2493.Lois_Lowry/questions Lowry even]] points out the movie hints to a relationship between the two, so it is possible that during that time, The Giver shared memories of the old world with her, only she became frightful and resistant against it. It is even possible that the Chief Elder by law has knowledge about the old world as well, but this is kept a secret.]]
7th Nov '14 7:46:12 PM Lenoxus
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** This doesn't necessarily mean the Community wants Stirrings to be allowed in that time it's possible that the pill, which might be a hormonal supprssant, happens to inhibit conception as a side effect, so it has to be skipped to allow pregnancy,


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[[WMG: Telepathy was involved in the rise of the Community]]
The actual process of Giving is unexplained. Perhaps it's just something certain people can do and has always been in our world, or it's the result of genetic engineering or something supernatural. In any case, maybe the discovery or invention of telepathy somehow lead to so much trouble and chaos that Communities were formed to solve things in a post-apocalyptic world like how Vulcans developed a logic-oriented way of life so that their extreme emotions wouldn't get the better of them. The film adaption is the strongest evidence for something like this, because [[spoiler:at the end, when Jonas crosses a barrier many miles outside the Community, the whole place is flooded with memories of the past]].
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