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With [''VideoGame/ElderScrollsOnline''] coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?

With ''ElderScrollOnline'' coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGame/TheElderScrollIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?

* The game will start off with the player character as a prisoner again, though this time of the Thalmor, along with a small group of others. The opening scene will demonstrate Thalmor cruelty as a justiciar brutally executes another prisoner for the crime of not being Altmer, then another for fitting into their ideology but refusing to do so, then you are saved by a prisonbreak led by a third prisoner--let's call him [[MetroLastLight Pavel]]--who you team up with to kill the justiciar and then escape in a quasi-stealth sequence. This being ''Elder Scrolls'', Pavel turns out to be working for a possibly hostile side in the larger setting, but you could still join with him later, similarly to Hadvar or Ralof in ''Skyrim''.

They're actually uncloaked Original Spirits or Aedra/Magne-Gi that are silently observing your battle with the World Eater. But because YouCannotGraspTheTrueForm is in full effect for mortals, all the player sees are some vaguely Nordic shapes in the distance.

@/{{JH}} finds this somewhat obvious. You (The player), have to make your way around the cival war, convincing people that your the Dragonborn, kinda like convincing people your Nerevarine in Morrowind and will not only bring the civil war to an end, but defend the place from the dragons that are going to try to annihilate the place.

** ... Lorkhan being one with Akatosh... kind of depends on who's myths (and which versions) are true. And they are a ''bit'' of a mess, compounded by boatloads of syncretization. In many they're distinct, even directly antagonistic, entities; in others they appear to be a single entity; some accounts even have multiple versions, in which an identical character with an identical role takes identical actions, but is either called Lorkhan/Shor/Shezzar, or Akatosh/Auri-El/Alduin (precisely who gifted the Amulet of Kings to Alessia being a prime example).

** They are less common since Daggerfall was not a very popular game. This particular RPG genre was far more niche when it came out then when Morrowind came out and the people actually following the genre generally viewed it as a mediocre game that sounded better on paper than actual execution.

[[WMG: Skyrim is a prequel to WesternAnimation/HowToTrainYourDragon]]

It was really just clearing Mehrunes Dagon out of the way so that Akatosh/Alduin could take Nirn for itself, it just disguised it's goals as saving Cyrodil because it was necessary, seeing as the Skyrim Civil War that was supposed to herald it's reappearance hadn't happened yet. Having Dagon taking over Nirn would prevent the Skyrim Civil War from happening, keeping Alduin sealed wherever he was held. Luckily for him Martin was there to unwittingly aid his plans to escape.

*** Actually that post(made by me) was made well before the game was released, based on incomplete information. It's wrong, very wrong, but at the time it was more in line with what we knew.

*** Alduin, Akatosh, and Auriel are different interpretations given pantheon; Alduin will try to eat the world and Akatosh will oppose him because Akatosh loves man. Sying anything more than this would be pure speculation.

* Partially Jossed. You're not in prison, your tied up in a cart being transported to your execution from just being captured with the leader of the rebels.

*** here's some pre-Skyrim lore on thu'um (shouts). [[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:The_Voice general]], and[[http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Tiber_Septim an important figure]]

* Or, at least, one of the OTHER dragonborn dynasties that ruled Tamriel in the past(The Allesians or the Remans) and was an unknown heir to the Dragon Throne. With luck, this character might, in an expansion pack, then journey to Cyrodiil and claim the Dragon Throne and found a fourth Empire(and we also get to see what's happened in Cyrodiil since the Oblivion Crisis).

** This could be the reason why the Champion didn't do a better job of holding the empire together. The champion could very well have been master of the fighter's guild, archmage of the mage's guild, would have had the full support of the blades, could be personal friends with every count and countess in the province, and if one assumes the Knights of the Nine takes place before the Shivering Isles, then they're pretty much a MessianicArchetype. Being the most politically powerful(not to mention, flat out most powerful) person in the country, the champion could have made a grab for the throne themselves with a fairly decent chance of success, and that's likely what Martin had in mind before sacrificing himself. However, upon becoming Sheogorath, the champion was forced to abandon Cyrodiil to tend to their realms of Oblivion, eventually losing interest in mortal affairs.

Ok lets look at the facts, General Talos (Aka Tiber Septim) used an shout based ability called the Thu'um, but he didnt seem to have it early on for one, it has verious powers, much like Dragon Shouts, teleporting, knocking down walls, ect. He is reffered to as the "dragon born" by others, and later it is said that the Blood of the dragon flows in septim veins, "allowing them to see more than lesser men." It out and out states that the Amulet of Kings is made of the divine blood of akatosh, and the references from when he speaks to Alessia, "If no heir of our joined blood wears this amulet" (stress of joined blood)Also, you may recall that the last person to wear the amulet before Tiber Septim was Reman the III and they were entirely unrelated, same with Allesia and Reman. in short it's not winning the position, nor being born to it that makes one an Emperor, it's the blood of the Dragon, also, after Martin's death in Oblivion, if you speak to about any of the blades(especially Barus of Jauffre) what do they say? "We will wait until the next Dragon-born arises" you're not the LAST dragonborn at all! You're the first of a new line!

*** Nah, good enough place to leave it up for speculation. From what I'm hearing(and a lot of this is second hand+), the original plan was that you could recruit anyone who liked you enough to follow you, but that was nixed. There will supposedly be more followers than in Fallout or Oblivion, but they'll be less distinct and developed than the ones in Fallout. Whether this is due to conservation of detail or to allow more player freedom by not giving followers personalities that would conflict with player choices, I have no idea. They might be trying to avoid situations like in Fallout 3 where you had to be a set alignment to have certain followers(and the best follower was for good characters only), or the situation in New Vegas where certain followers would abandon you if you sided with/against certain factions. Whether or not that's worth trading off the increased character development is something subjective, I suppose. [[invoked]] [[strike:the YMMV filter is dumb]]

* Jossed for the Thieves' Guild. The reason they're down on their luck is due to [[spoiler: Mercer Frey, the current Guild Master, killing the old Guild Master and stealing Nocturnal's Skeleton Key, has drained the 'luck' from the guild. [[ArsonMurderandJaywalking Oh, and he's been stealing gold for himself]] from the vault.]]

* Think on it: By the time the Champion became Sheogarath, he'd have become the leader of the Fighters Guild, the Mages Guild, the Thieves Guild, and the Dark Brotherhood, as well as the most important and famous person in Cyrodil (having gained multiple knighthoods and various positionsv for service to the people). Had he remained mortal, he'd have likely become the next ruler, being the most qualified person for the job. Instead, he abandoned his post in exchange for godhood. This caused the Mage's Guild to collapse, since their leader disappeared while the Mages Guild was trying to put itself back together after the battle with Mannimarco and his minions. The Warriors Guild would likewise fall without a leader to guide them. So would the Thieve's Guild. And without a Listener, the Dark Brotherhood would come apart as well! Worse, without the hero of Cyrodil to become the new Emperor, the Empire would have suffered from internal strife and infighting over the position of Emperor, which would weaken the Empire severely. By the time the infighting was over, the Empire would never be able to recover, and the Thalmor could easily begin taking over. NiceJobBreakingItHero.

* Well is you elaborate I might believe you.

* I assumed there were either contracts out on all three of them(each gives ample reason for people to want to kill them), or there was no contract, and Astrid just picked up three rather unpleasant people for you to kill. If there are contracts out on all of them, it's win win for her. Which ever one you kill, you're doing her job, and if you choose not to kill all three, she can pick off the other two while they're wandering through the swamp later. If there are no contracts, it doesn't matter because that isn't the point. The point of the exorcise is to see if you'll ask "How high?" when she says "Jump." One of the members of the Brotherhood(I want to say Babbette but I think it might be the dunmer) mentions she pulls this stunt fairly regularly with new recruits, though.

*** Since its inception the individual games that made up the Elder Scrolls franchise have had single-word grandiose-sounding names that belied adventure,danger and glory: Arena, Daggerfall, Battlespire, Redguard, Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim. While the titles have at times taken the names from the respective games' main setting, it always seemed that the developers preferred to use the place names that had simpler, "epic" sounding designations. TES IV may have been called "Oblivion" instead of "Cyrodiil" not only because of the Oblivion Crisis' significance, but it also had a more marketable and "cooler" sounding title than that given to the Imperial heartland. While I think that the Summerset Isles and the Thalmor will most likely have a very important part to play in the next Elder Scrolls, I'd wager that the developers will expand the game area to include not just the Isles but all regions under effective Thalmor control to allow for free-roaming flexibility, to facilitate a possible plotline for another Great War and the possibility of an "endtimes" scenario that might play out with the "death" of Talos, the struggle for control between Men, Mer and Beastfolk as Nirn begins collapsing. Thus, I believe that instead of "The Elder Scrolls VI: Summerset", the likelier title for the next game will be the more badass but also appropriate: '''"THE ELDER SCROLLS VI: DOMINION"'''

* Jossed, but the storyline ''does'' involve a jaunt to a Plane of Oblivion -- Soul Cairn, last visited in '' Battlespire'' and one of those planes without a Daedra Lord master.

Remember what the Augur said? He first remarked that the path the player walks is not walked on by many. Considering that there have been a fair number of magical college headmasters, this most likely refers to your status as dragonborn/shezzarine. In order to help you, he gave you an instruction: use the staff of magnus to see through the eye of magnus. However, what happens at the end of the mages guild questline? the psijic order teleports in, taking the eye away before the player could take a look.

However, the Champion also seems aware that being believed would be difficult, "he" can't cross through directly, and reveling himself to be the Champion would probably really damage his reputation in the eyes of those who know the truth(perhaps the same reason you couldn't go around telling everyone what happened in Oblivion, why you couldn't change the shrine statues, etc). So he will occasionally talk about those days, in aa way that arises no suspicion(because all the Daedric princes were around then anyway), and even likes to drop odd hints of their past in ways that may or may not make people suspect the truth, coupled with lies.

[[WMG: The Thieve's Guild from Cyrodill is a completely different one from Skyrim and the reason why Riften is like it is]]
Besides the Don't kill rule and the bust of The Gray Fox, there appear to be no connection with the Thieve's guild that we all know and love from Oblivion.
The real reason why the Thieve's Guild is in such bad shape (besides not being the one from Oblivion) is because after the betray of Mercer Frey, find a way to kick the dog: Hunt and skin a wolf that happened to be Sai, the god of Luck who decided to stay the fuck away from Riften

Let's take a moment to talk about their similarities. They both serve as advisers to people of high authority, as in Savos Aren and Lady Myschala. They are both [[spoiler: [[EvilSorcerer evil sorcerers]], and they both ended up trying to screw things over for everyone]]. Their voices are very similar. And there's one more thing: The Augur of Dunlain states that Ancano [[spoiler: "seeks information about the Eye," as in the Eye of Magnus]]. Zola is [[spoiler: seeking information about the Mother's Eye]].

[[WMG: The player's spouse/children(if the correct dlc was added) and/or companion will be captured some point in the dragonborn dlc.]]
It will happen about midway through the dlc and showcase that the older dragonborn/their enemies isn't/aren't someone to mess with. There will also be a timer(a rather generous one but one never the less) where if you don't complete some kind of quest in time will lead to the serious injury/death of your spouse/children/companion. There will also be an awesome storming the castle sequence to rescue them with the allies you've gotten so far both in the dlc(s) and the main game because combined blade/greybeard, empire/stormcloak, companions, vampires/dawnguard, etc assault is to awesome to pass up.

** If he thought it could avoid the unnecessary bloodshed then it's possibl. But the Imperials were going to force themselves into Skyrim's politics regardless of what he did, since losing the province in any way would have been a massive blow to them. Though how do you propose he found the book in the first place?

----> Dragonborn: Which one is Borri?
----> Argneir: The one who immediately started walking after I said that.

With ''ElderScrollOnline'' coming out and shows that Molag Bal's attempt to destroy Nirn but foiled, Nirn has experienced 2 attempts to destroy it by [[VideoGames/TheElderScrollIVOblivion Mehrunes Dagon]] and by aforementioned Molag Bal. But, in terms of devastation Thalmor's will topped both of them as the attempt comes from Nirn, not Oblivion, and three races (Altmer, Bosmer and Khajiit) will actively cause it (ESO Dominion had their hands full dealing with two other factions but still give helps to foil Molag Bal. In Oblivion, three races had their hands full protecting their homelands). They, .... I don't know. You know the well-aimed backstab (Nirn people, not Oblivion Daedra)is more fatal than frontal attack right?

Jagar Tharn was primary antagonist of TheElderScrollsArena, the very first TES game. The [[http://www.imperial-library.info/content/real-barenziah-complete complete (read: official) version of The Real Barenziah]] states that Barenziah had a love affair with Jagar Tharn while he was impersonating the Emperor, and subsequently gave birth to a child by him. Karliah is Barenziah's granddaughter, and implied to be of mixed dark elven and human ancestry, so logically this may mean her grandfather was Jagar Tharn.

[[WMG: The UsefulNotes/NintendoSwitch version of the game will feature some Nintendo-themed extra content]]

* A hidden dungeon where the Dragonborn can find [[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZelda The Master Sword]]

* Some new craftable armor and clothing based on characters from ''The Legend of Zelda'' or ''{{VideoGame/Fire Emblem}}''.

How else to you explain the giant bugs? Insects that large cannot exist on present day earth because they wouldn't be able to breath, due to our air's relatively low oxygen concentration.

[[WMG:resist magic also working on poision isn't a bug, its one of the reasons why mages live longer]]

They're actually uncloaked Original Spirits or Aedra/Magne-Gi that are silently observing your battle with the World Eater. But because YouCantGraspTheTrueForm is in full effect for mortals, all the player sees are some vaguely Nordic shapes in the distance.

The dragon cult ruins used a primative version of the magic the dwarves used, but both are breaking down, part of that is time, it has been thousands of years, but what really did the damage was the oblivion crisis and the thalmour medeling with the pillars, each causing old spells to buckle and break.

* Hammerfell. Think about it: it's distinct enough from Skyrim so as not to feel like a rehash (bonus points if they slip in a reference to ''Literature/TheThirteenthWarrior'' somewhere); it connects well to the Civil War, since Hammerfell also declared independence and drove out the Thalmor; it borders Skyrim, so it would be easy to link in; and it features the city of Dragonstar, which is home to feuding populations of Nords and Redguards - with what's going on in Skyrim, I doubt that the Nords wouldn't be somehow interested. Really, the potential is enormous.

* A [[VideoGame/SuperMArioBros red-and-white mushroom that boosts the player's attack and health.]]

* A ''[[ILoveNuclearPower nuclear]]'' power station. While it is indeed massive, it's worth noting that a lot of that space is just rock and huge mushrooms. The "Silent City" in the middle has four or five buildings and no actual ''houses''. One possible interpretation is that Blackreach is actually a large self-contained nuclear power plant. The exposed ore veins are actually a result of Dwemer mining for fissile material to use in the reactor core (located underneath Silent City). Why the focus on water, pumping stations, and chugging pumps? The river and pumping station are used to supply coolant water in order to generate steam to power the turbines, which are buried deep underground. That blue glow? [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation Cherenkov radiation]]. The three Great Lifts are actually escape systems for personnel in the event of a catastrophic excursion. As for why this reactor is even here, the Elder Scroll in the Tower of Mzark requires a highly elaborate containment and reading system. To be able to transfer the contents of such a ridiculously complex and alien object into a legible format must require an absolutely massive amount of power, and the Dwemer built a reactor to supply this power. People in Skyrim, with their low tech level, can't actually understand that what they're seeing is a reactor; they interpret the nuclear power as generic "steam" power, and ignore the radioactive elements in the Geode Veins and instead just dig up soul gems and the occasional bit of corundum. Of course, if this is true, the Dovahkiin probably has severe radiation poisoning by now...