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**It is mentioned in 'Dark Tower' that the Crimson King's forge (seen in the vision in 'Song of Susannah') has been shut down. This was the big engine, the machine CK used to spread his malice and corruption through every level of creation.




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**At that point in the cycle the breakers would still be active, so the tower would fall. It would break the cycle but not in the right way.
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**In It, the driving force behind it was the deadlights (the red) circling outside the gates of the universe while the other that help the kids after the turtle was the white. Since Pennywise was the physical embodiment of the deadlights, It was[[spoiler:/is]] the most powerful creature in King's universe. All others that followed were decedents/creations of Pennywise or at least a varintant (like the Crimson King's Spider-god mother).

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[[WMG: Everything that has happened to Dark Tower's incarnation of Stephen King actually happened.]]
The money he paid the man in the accident wasn't so he could buy and destroy his car. But also keep him quiet about his dealings between himself and Roland.
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[[WMG: Kindness will end the cycles.]]
There are several different people who could've changed things if they'd been allowed to live. Some changes--Mordred being accepted when he was born, say--are large and obvious. Others are less so, like that one can-toi in the Algul who seemed to be Becoming in truth. Even Lamla o' Galee, who begged for clemency, might have been a tipping point. Saving enough of the lost ones might well win the day.
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[[WMG: Roland's quest will end...]]
... when Roland chooses Jake over the Tower and saves him, instead of following the Man in Black. If he doesn't let him fall to his death, the rest of his journey goes an entirely different way, and the cycle is broken.
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** Alternately, Sonia Danville is Susan Delgado's Twinner (see Black House for more info, though if you're here I imagine you already are familiar at least in passing), and Susan's unborn child would have been Patrick's (Twinner, that is, not child).
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* There is precedent for changes in events prior to Roland's trip across the Mohaine: In the Coda Roland gets sent back to the desert, but this time he has Cuthbert's horn. Roland did not have the horn in the previous loop; it had been lost at a point long before Roland entered the Mohaine.

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* There is precedent for changes in events prior to Roland's trip across the Mohaine: In the Coda Roland gets sent back to the desert, but this time he has Cuthbert's horn. Roland did not have the horn in the previous loop; it had been lost at a point long before Roland entered the Mohaine.Mohaine.
** That was an intentional concession on the part of the Tower. Roland almost seems surprised to find he has the horn but his past is practically the same.

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Everything's [[KeystoneWorld set in stone]] in Keystone Earth, isn't it? With Roland presumably going back in time to the moment in the Mohaine Desert, the changes he made to Keystone Earth persist, and as such the Tet Corporation already exists at this point. Stephen King is also alive, and, knowing on some level what happened to him, he rewrites the story so that Roland already has the Horn.

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Everything's [[KeystoneWorld [[CosmicKeystone set in stone]] in Keystone Earth, isn't it? With Roland presumably going back in time to the moment in the Mohaine Desert, the changes he made to Keystone Earth persist, and as such the Tet Corporation already exists at this point. Stephen King is also alive, and, knowing on some level what happened to him, he rewrites the story so that Roland already has the Horn.
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[[WMG: Roland has the Horn in the new iteration because he saved Stephen King in Keystone Earth.]]
Everything's [[KeystoneWorld set in stone]] in Keystone Earth, isn't it? With Roland presumably going back in time to the moment in the Mohaine Desert, the changes he made to Keystone Earth persist, and as such the Tet Corporation already exists at this point. Stephen King is also alive, and, knowing on some level what happened to him, he rewrites the story so that Roland already has the Horn.
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[[WMG: [[TimeLord Roland is the Doctor, Randall Flagg is the Master]]]]
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[[WMG: Patrick Daville is the son of Roland Deschain and Susan Delgado.]]

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[[WMG: Patrick Daville Danville is the son of Roland Deschain and Susan Delgado.]]
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[[WMG: The books depict the 19th iteration of Roland's quest.]]
The number is a glorified loop counter. The problems it causes in Tull (revised edition) are because it reveals to the townsfolk just what's going on--EternalRecurrence is a tough pill to swallow. Instances of 19 in other books can be explained by All-World being one of the Keystone worlds, with the counter diffusing through the multiverse during each loop.
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* This troper recalls reading a theory that Dandelo (and perhaps even the Crimson King) were hatched from It's eggs.
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* Considering how many times the cycle may have happened before, it's possible that the real-world version of Susannah was drawn, had her adventures, and then left for a parallel Earth many iterations ago. That left an opening in the real world for the Susannah in the novels to claim her father's wealth there, even if she's not actually the same Susannah that inherited it there.




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* Or, for the DownerEnding variant, Browning's poem was written about ''a previous iteration of Roland's quest'', in which he still had the horn because he'd never left it behind. Browning wrote the poem at Roland's urging, because he was a previous iteration's Stephen King, who immortalized the gunslinger's story after Roland saved him from being run over by a speeding carriage. Roland then completed his quest and flashed back to the desert, only ''that'' time, the Tower took the horn of Arthur Eld away from him as a sign that the next round might end differently...
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* Dying is one way for a person to travel from one world to another (eg Jake). When Susan Delgado was being burnt in Hambry, perhaps the embryo she was carrying was transferred to the womb of another woman in another world: Sonia Delgado. The supernatural forces surrounding the ancient evil of the charyou tree may have caused the dimensional rift. Sonia bore the child – the biological son of Roland and Susan – thinking that it was hers. When Ralph Roberts is reading Sonia's mind in ''Insomnia'', he finds out 'Patrick, that's his name. She calls him Pat. He's named after his grandfather.' Patrick Delgado was the father of Susan Delgado, meaning that any child of Roland and Susan would have been the grandchild of Patrick – who is often referred to as Pat. It seems that Sonia is aware of her child's origins on some subconscious level. And of course, Patrick Danville's Mid-World heritage would go a long way towards explaining his supernatural abilities and cosmic significance. Besides, it's too damn depressing to think that Susan and her baby just died.

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* Dying is one way for a person to travel from one world to another (eg Jake). When Susan Delgado was being burnt in Hambry, perhaps the embryo she was carrying was transferred to the womb of another woman in another world: Sonia Delgado.Danville. The supernatural forces surrounding the ancient evil of the charyou tree may have caused the dimensional rift. Sonia bore the child – the biological son of Roland and Susan – thinking that it was hers. When Ralph Roberts is reading Sonia's mind in ''Insomnia'', he finds out 'Patrick, that's his name. She calls him Pat. He's named after his grandfather.' Patrick Delgado was the father of Susan Delgado, meaning that any child of Roland and Susan would have been the grandchild of Patrick – who is often referred to as Pat. It seems that Sonia is aware of her child's origins on some subconscious level. And of course, Patrick Danville's Mid-World heritage would go a long way towards explaining his supernatural abilities and cosmic significance. Besides, it's too damn depressing to think that Susan and her baby just died.
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[[WMG: Patrick Daville is the son of Roland Deschain and Susan Delgado.]]
* Dying is one way for a person to travel from one world to another (eg Jake). When Susan Delgado was being burnt in Hambry, perhaps the embryo she was carrying was transferred to the womb of another woman in another world: Sonia Delgado. The supernatural forces surrounding the ancient evil of the charyou tree may have caused the dimensional rift. Sonia bore the child – the biological son of Roland and Susan – thinking that it was hers. When Ralph Roberts is reading Sonia's mind in ''Insomnia'', he finds out 'Patrick, that's his name. She calls him Pat. He's named after his grandfather.' Patrick Delgado was the father of Susan Delgado, meaning that any child of Roland and Susan would have been the grandchild of Patrick – who is often referred to as Pat. It seems that Sonia is aware of her child's origins on some subconscious level. And of course, Patrick Danville's Mid-World heritage would go a long way towards explaining his supernatural abilities and cosmic significance. Besides, it's too damn depressing to think that Susan and her baby just died.

[[WMG: Arthur Eld is the son of Randall Flagg and Nadine Cross.]]
* This theory operates via the same mechanism as the one above. When Nadine Cross manages to goad Randall Flagg into throwing her out a window in ''The Stand'', she and the child she was carrying apparently die. But if it's possible for unborn children to be transferred from one world to another upon death in the same way Jake was transferred, perhaps the offspring of Nadine and Flagg ended up in the body of a Mid-World woman – and since time is irrelevant when travelling between universes, it's entirely possible that the child ended up in the body of a woman in the distant past. This woman, whose surname was Eld, gave birth to the child and named him Arthur. The boy was enormously talented, and rose through the ranks to ultimately become the King of All-World. He led his people to victory against the wizard Maerlyn – who is, in fact, his grandfather, as the comics reveal that Flagg was Maerlyn's bastard offspring.Arthur has two children during his life: one was a son by a mortal woman whose surname was Deschain – this child was the ancestor of Roland through twenty-nine generations. The other child was by the demonic Crimson Queen, whom Arthur was tricked into sleeping with by Maerlyn's manipulation. Therefore: Maerlyn fathered Randall Flagg, who fathered Arthur Eld, who fathered the Crimson King and also sired the line which begat Roland Deschain. The Crimson King and Roland Deschain then co-fathered Mordred Deschain, in whom was reunited the two lines of Eld. Mordred capped the whole thing off by eating his ancestor. And if we combine this theory with the above one, Patrick Danville is also a descendant of Maerlyn, Flagg and Arthur, as well as being the half-brother of Mordred.
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* [[{{Carrie}} Carrie White]] ([[MindOverMatter Telekinesis]])

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* [[{{Carrie}} Carrie White]] ([[MindOverMatter Telekinesis]])Telekinesis]]): although note that Dinky Earnshaw actually refers to "being like Carrie at the Prom", which suggests she was, at least in ''his'' home universe, a fictional character only.
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** Or, perhaps, the point will be in the first book - when Roland lets Jake die for the Tower and the cycle will end when Roland chooses the boy over the quest.

[[WMG: The Cycle Will Repeat Endlessly Because Real-World Stephen King Can't Think of Something Cool Enough to Put At the Top of the Tower]]
As worded. Don't really know if this guess is really all that "wild" though.
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** It's not a full reset every time he enters the Tower. The last book makes it clear that it's only for ''Roland'' that time is reset. He's forced to relive the experience of his last ka-tet endlessly. The only difference is that during this particular experience, for whatever reason, the Tower saw fit to give him back the horn he lost at Jericho Hill, and therefore there's the chance that at the end of the journey this time round he'll blow the horn rather than having the roses blow it for him, and the curse will end as per Robert Browning's poem.

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[[WMG: There is another, bigger cycle.]]
* The cycle we see in the books, that starts at the beginning of ''The Gunslinger'' and loops back at the end of ''The Dark Tower'', is a relatively small one. Perhaps it's just a tiny part of an even bigger cycle, going from the beginning of the multiverse to its end? Once Roland has completed his final ''Dark Tower'' cycle, the multiverse should continue on as usual (albeit with evil banished, or something). But when the universes of Mid-World and Keystone Earth eventually die (in a Big Crunch or something), the entire multiverse will be rebooted. This explains the difference between the ''Dark Tower'' books, comics and upcoming films: they're part of different cycles all right, but the events flashed back to in ''Wizard and Glass'' take place outside the ''Dark Tower'' cycle, and must therefore be part of a different, larger cycle if the differences in versions are to be accounted for. This also explains how the book, television and comic-book versions of ''The Stand'' can all exist, despite the fact that they all have different versions of Randall Flagg in them: it's impossible that there are multiple Flaggs running around the multiverse (there's no way this guy could have twinners), so the different Flaggs must be part of different multiversal cycles.
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** {{Jossed}} in the last book. Randall Flagg identifies himself as the Man in Black and explains how he basically cast a spell on Roland to escape and deceive him into believing he was long dead.

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*** Supported given that in the book version of Roland's quest, it is the roses themselves that "blow his horn" and open the tower for him. It's an image tied up with him being ''compelled'' to enter the Tower. Possibly when he has the horn and blows it, there is no compulsion from the Tower for him to enter.


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[[WMG: The child Breakers in ''Black House'' were working on a different Beam to that of Shardik and Maturin.]]
* Nobody in Algul Siento ever mentions the Big Engine which the "party" in ''Black House'' destroyed. Therefore it was an effort at breaking one of the other Beams, possibly even the one of Elephant and Fish which collapses in ''Song of Susannah'' depending on how heavily it was damaged before the Coppicemen intervened.
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** {{Jossed}} by the last book. ''Insomnia'' is not a part of the tower universe; it's actually a deception in the same mode that Odd Lane is a glamour and a "wrong direction".

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* It's more likely that the Beast is Dis, the ultimate embodiment of the Red/Random/evil, in the same way that the Tower is Gan, the ultimate embodiment of the White/Purpose/good. The Beast seems to be part of the Tower, or trapped within it in some way; we know that Dis is imprisoned in the top room, and the Crimson King is merely an aspect of it.

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* That does explain why Lois was unable to tell whether the Green Man was good or evil: he was genuinely trying to help Ralph and Lois by giving them the earrings, but his reasons for doing so were rooted in his desire for multiversal domination. Hence his confusing moral aura.
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* Not sure about the re-write, but in the original version of The Gunslinger, Roland asks Brown is he believed in an afterlife. Brown states that he thinks "this is it." This has two meanings, one is that there is no afterlife, and this is the only world they have, or that they are living in the afterlife

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* Not sure about the re-write, but in the original version of The Gunslinger, Roland asks Brown is if he believed believes in an afterlife. Brown states that he thinks "this is it." This has two meanings, one is that there is no afterlife, and this is the only world they have, or that they are living in the afterlife
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* Not sure about the re-write, but in the original version of The Gunslinger, Roland asks Brown is he believed in an afterlife. Brown states that he thinks "this is it." This has two meanings, one is that there is no afterlife, and this is the only world they have, or that they are living in the afterlife

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[[WMG: [[TheMist The Arrowhead Project]] was experimenting with [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]].]]
The Arrowhead Project in ''The Mist'' had a captured Eldritch Abomination, [[CharlesStross which it planned to use against the Soviet Union if the Cold War were to escalate to a nuclear engagement.]] It created the mist, along with a whole host of lesser horrors, and decided to go walking across New England. The monster the narrator sees near the end of the book is the Eldritch Abomination.

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[[WMG: [[TheMist The Arrowhead Project]] was experimenting with [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]].]]
The Arrowhead Project in ''The Mist'' had a captured Eldritch Abomination, [[CharlesStross which it planned to use against the Soviet Union if the Cold War were to escalate to a nuclear engagement.]] It created the mist, along with a whole host of lesser horrors, and decided to go walking across New England. The monster the narrator sees near the end of the book is the Eldritch Abomination.



[[WMG: The narrator and 'reader' of ''Under the Dome'' are extraterrestrials of a species even more advanced than the Leatherheads.]]
The novel ''Under the Dome'' uses two distinct story telling styles. For most of the book's 1000-odd pages, the story is told in a very traditional, third person style. However, on a very small number of occasions, this changes to a first-person/second-person narrative style which is more conversational and less formal than the rest of the book. On these occasions, too, the narrator mentions being 'invisible' to the characters, but also mentions having a direct physical impact on their environment on at least one occasion (as he and the 'reader' travel along Mainstreet they disturb the traffic lights).

Even for Stephen King, who sometimes writes in a more conversational tone, transitioning so quickly is unusual. Also, as far as I know, this is literally the only story by the author where a narrator who is not a character describes having a direct physical effect on his environment. From this, it can be presumed that the 'narrator' on these occasions is, in fact, a separate entity who is a character in the story. The 'reader' is also a character.

Expanding on this, it is obvious that the two are not observing the people of Chester's Mill. They could do that on any occasion, but they have picked the time when the town is surrounded by an invisible wall to do so (which couldn't possibly give them a clear image of what humanity is like under normal circumstances). This suggests that they are more interested in the behavior of the Leatherhead children who have trapped the people in the town. They seem to realize that the human beings are alive and are thinking creatures, suggesting that they are not the same species as the Leatherheads and removing the possibility that they might be the parents of the children, trying to see what their kids are doing.

Most likely, the two invisible alien characters are members of a society even more advanced than the Leatherheads who are testing their behavior to see if they are worthy to join a group of the most powerful civilizations in the galaxy, or possibly even the Universe. Needless to say, by killing 800 innocent people, the Leatherheads failed their test miserably.

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[[WMG: The narrator and 'reader' of ''Under the Dome'' are extraterrestrials of a species even more advanced than the Leatherheads.]]
The novel ''Under the Dome'' uses two distinct story telling styles. For most of the book's 1000-odd pages, the story is told in a very traditional, third person style. However, on a very small number of occasions, this changes to a first-person/second-person narrative style which is more conversational and less formal than the rest of the book. On these occasions, too, the narrator mentions being 'invisible' to the characters, but also mentions having a direct physical impact on their environment on at least one occasion (as he and the 'reader' travel along Mainstreet they disturb the traffic lights).

Even for Stephen King, who sometimes writes in a more conversational tone, transitioning so quickly is unusual. Also, as far as I know, this is literally the only story by the author where a narrator who is not a character describes having a direct physical effect on his environment. From this, it can be presumed that the 'narrator' on these occasions is, in fact, a separate entity who is a character in the story. The 'reader' is also a character.

Expanding on this, it is obvious that the two are not observing the people of Chester's Mill. They could do that on any occasion, but they have picked the time when the town is surrounded by an invisible wall to do so (which couldn't possibly give them a clear image of what humanity is like under normal circumstances). This suggests that they are more interested in the behavior of the Leatherhead children who have trapped the people in the town. They seem to realize that the human beings are alive and are thinking creatures, suggesting that they are not the same species as the Leatherheads and removing the possibility that they might be the parents of the children, trying to see what their kids are doing.

Most likely, the two invisible alien characters are members of a society even more advanced than the Leatherheads who are testing their behavior to see if they are worthy to join a group of the most powerful civilizations in the galaxy, or possibly even the Universe. Needless to say, by killing 800 innocent people, the Leatherheads failed their test miserably.
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*Then where are her horns? In a detail-laden story like King's, you'd expect those to come up at least once.
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[[WMG: The Man In Black in the desert is not Walther, but the embodiment of the Tower itself.]]
*The Tower is there in the form of his nemesis to warn Roland to turn away from his obsession of reaching the Tower, while Jake is in a sense the anti-thesis of the Tower (Not of Gan, but of what Roland makes out the Tower to be). When Roland will finally choose Jake over the Tower, the cycle will end and Roland will find his peace the same way Susannah did. But every time he chooses the Tower, he has to relive all of that pain and grief he has endured for hundreds of years, while fighting the ghosts of his long dead enemies.

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