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* [[spoiler: Jossed by Episode 6 - Lord Morgyrn ordered Mira's death.]]
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The Coal Boy claims he is working for someone and helps Mira out far too much to be just a friend looking out for her. As shown with Sera, even her friends are scared to help her because of the danger she's brought upon herself. He's also exceptionally skilled, being able to sneak into Tyrion's chambers and take out Damien single-handedly if Mira abandons him. Littlefinger probably hired him to act as a spy, listening in on nobles while pretending to tend to the coals. Additionally, assisting Mira in breaking the Whitehills can be interpreted as an attack on the Boltons, cutting off one of their patron houses who supplies them with weapons. Of the people in King's Landing, Littlefinger is the only one who will benefit from this since he wants to be Warden of the North
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*[[spoiler:Jossed. In episode 5 Rodrik and Asher finally meet up, and the events of at least that particular episode are implied to have taken place concurrently.]]
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With open warfare now having broken out between the Whitehills and the Foresters (with Ramsey explicitly making clear that they will not be allowed to negotiate for peace, and will have to [[DuelToTheDeath fight until only one house is left standing]]), and Gryff having been released by the traitor, there is simply [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness no reason for Ludd to keep Ryon alive any longer]]. He will most likely have him killed right in front of his own family in their next encounter, as a means of psychological warfare to fill them with grief and throw them off balance.
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With open warfare now having broken out between the Whitehills and the Foresters (with Ramsey explicitly making clear that they will not be allowed to negotiate for peace, and will have to [[DuelToTheDeath fight until only one house is left standing]]), and Gryff having been released by the traitor, there is simply [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness no reason for Ludd to keep Ryon alive any longer]]. He will most likely have him killed right in front of his own family in their next encounter, as a means of psychological warfare to fill them with grief and throw them off balance.balance.
[[WMG:The pit fighters that followed Asher back to Westeros will turn out to be useless]]
Even if [[spoiler:Asher survives]] to command and keep a leash on the [[PsychoForHire clearly unhinged and murderous]] pit fighters without them running off to RapePillageAndBurn the countryside for fun, remember what Jon said to Ygritte about the Wildling army:
-> ''"You don't have the discipline. You don't have the training. You're army is no army. You don't know how to fight together.''"
The pit fighters have spent the entire lives fighting in blood sport as individual fighters, who fights to entertain the crowd, they don't even have basic understanding in small unit tactics, let along anything that requires detailed planning. When they are used as part of a military unit, they will quickly fall apart.
[[WMG:The pit fighters that followed Asher back to Westeros will turn out to be useless]]
Even if [[spoiler:Asher survives]] to command and keep a leash on the [[PsychoForHire clearly unhinged and murderous]] pit fighters without them running off to RapePillageAndBurn the countryside for fun, remember what Jon said to Ygritte about the Wildling army:
-> ''"You don't have the discipline. You don't have the training. You're army is no army. You don't know how to fight together.''"
The pit fighters have spent the entire lives fighting in blood sport as individual fighters, who fights to entertain the crowd, they don't even have basic understanding in small unit tactics, let along anything that requires detailed planning. When they are used as part of a military unit, they will quickly fall apart.
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[[WMG:Ryon will be killed in Episode 6]]
With open warfare now having broken out between the Whitehills and the Foresters (with Ramsey explicitly making clear that they will not be allowed to negotiate for peace, and will have to [[DuelToTheDeath fight until only one house is left standing]]), and Gryff having been released by the traitor, there is simply [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness no reason for Ludd to keep Ryon alive any longer]]. He will most likely have him killed right in front of his own family in their next encounter, as a means of psychological warfare to fill them with grief and throw them off balance.
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* [[spoiler:Partially jossed. As of Episode 5, we don't know yet whether or not the North Grove exists, but Finn doesn't betray Gared and Cotter. He does get annoyed and cynical, but he still assists them in battle until he's killed by a Wraith.]]
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** [[spoiler:Jossed. Episode 5 finally reveals who the traitor on Rodrick's council is, and it's not his mother. The traitor is indeed a "him", just as TheStinger hinted.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Episode 5 finally reveals who the traitor is, and it isn't Elissa.]]
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed! ForWantOfANail is indeed at play.]]
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[[ [[spoiler: Because what other remaining family member has Rodrik gone out of his way to shield from harm the most? Deliberately harming Talia would be a very good way to both personally hurt Rodrik more than any physical pain and also seriously get under the players skin.]] ]]
[[ [[spoiler: Because what other remaining family member has Rodrik gone out of his way to shield from harm the most? Deliberately harming Talia would be a very good way to both personally hurt Rodrik more than any physical pain and also seriously get under the players skin.]] ]]
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[[spoiler:Because what other remaining family member has Rodrik gone out of his way to shield from harm the most? Deliberately harming Talia would be a very good way to both personally hurt Rodrik more than any physical pain and also seriously get under the players skin.
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* As noted in the [[Fridge/TelltalesGameOfThrones Fridge Brilliance entry for the game]], if you read her backstory, Lady Elissa's backstory was essentially the same as that of [[BreakTheCutie Sansa]] in the show. From her perspective, her house of original stayed loyal to the Targaryen as was their duty and went to war against Robert's Rebellion. Her entire family except for her brother got wiped out, and she was taken against her will to be married off to a person that, while might not be directly responsible, still belongs to the faction that murdered her entire family. Put yourself in her shoes, even if it turns out that Gregor is a good man (and that unlike Ramsay, didn't force himself on her in their wedding night), upon her husband's death, what reason does she have to be loyal to his house's legacy whatsoever? She most likely loves and cares for her children (As noted by Cersei, a mother have no choice but to love her own children), but not for Ironwood, not for House Forester, and is only concerned with keeping them alive,even if it means they will effectively get reduced to basically the same level as the common smallfolk.
** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.
** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.
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[[spoiler:If Rodrik had sex with Elaena in Episode 4, she will get pregnant and bear his bastard, which will only get legitimized if Rodrik is the ambush survivor and they get married after the business with the Whitehills is over.]]
[[WMG: [[WaxingLyrical Let It Snow, Let It Snow, Let It Snow...]]]]
[[spoiler:If Rodrik had sex with Elaena in Episode 4, she will get pregnant and bear his bastard, which will only get legitimized if Rodrik is the ambush survivor and they get married after the business with the Whitehills is over.]]
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** On the other hand, Grynn had no compunctions about beating the crap out of Ortengryn on a whim, and on the show Ramsay recently demonstrated that he's perfectly capable of leading a small, well-coordinated strike force to deadly effect under the cover of the night.
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* The achievement for finishing episode 5 is "Grand Maester", who is the only Maester in this story? My prediction is that Ortengryn gets control of Ironrath for his loyalty to Ramsay or the Whitehills
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* In episode 4, [[Ironrath is emptied and supposedly taken over by Ramsay, with the Whitehills captured and possibly the Glenmore soldiers hanging behind, there should be no way to enter Ironrath in such a short time]], unless a traitor helps them and Ortengryn is the only one left behind in Ironrath in all scenarios
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** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.
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** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.understandable.
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* In the first act, when deciding how to deal with the Boltons, Ortengryn suggests to sell them all the ironwood despite how this would ruin the Forresters and give the Whitehills the entire ironwood market. He's trying to deceive Ethan into giving the Whitehills exactly what they want
* His backstory claims that he had no intention to be stationed at Ironrath. Additionally, this makes him the newest member to the council and the one with the least attachment to the Forresters
* If you choose to make Ramsay leave his soldiers behind the gate, they somehow get in anyway. The only person who can open the gate is Ortengryn since Lady Forrester and the Sentinel are both in the room with you
* Duncan says to Gared that Ortengryn is not to be trusted when speaking of the North Grove
* You have the option to tell Ortengryn about the North Grove. It makes sense for Lady Forrester to ask about his husband's last words but why would this be important for Ortengryn to know? Perhaps he was trying to fish information from you to pass onto the Forresters
* In episode 4, [[Ironrath is emptied and supposedly taken over by Ramsay, with the Whitehills captured and possibly the Glenmore soldiers hanging behind, there should be no way to enter Ironrath in such a short time]], unless a traitor helps them and Ortengryn is the only one left behind in Ironrath in all scenarios
* The achievement for finishing episode 5 is "Grand Maester", who is the only Maester in this story? My prediction is that Ortengryn gets control of Ironrath for his loyalty to Ramsay or the Whitehills
[[WMG: Maester Ortengryn is the traitor]]
* In the first act, when deciding how to deal with the Boltons, Ortengryn suggests to sell them all the ironwood despite how this would ruin the Forresters and give the Whitehills the entire ironwood market. He's trying to deceive Ethan into giving the Whitehills exactly what they want
* His backstory claims that he had no intention to be stationed at Ironrath. Additionally, this makes him the newest member to the council and the one with the least attachment to the Forresters
* If you choose to make Ramsay leave his soldiers behind the gate, they somehow get in anyway. The only person who can open the gate is Ortengryn since Lady Forrester and the Sentinel are both in the room with you
* Duncan says to Gared that Ortengryn is not to be trusted when speaking of the North Grove
* You have the option to tell Ortengryn about the North Grove. It makes sense for Lady Forrester to ask about his husband's last words but why would this be important for Ortengryn to know? Perhaps he was trying to fish information from you to pass onto the Forresters
* In episode 4, [[Ironrath is emptied and supposedly taken over by Ramsay, with the Whitehills captured and possibly the Glenmore soldiers hanging behind, there should be no way to enter Ironrath in such a short time]], unless a traitor helps them and Ortengryn is the only one left behind in Ironrath in all scenarios
* The achievement for finishing episode 5 is "Grand Maester", who is the only Maester in this story? My prediction is that Ortengryn gets control of Ironrath for his loyalty to Ramsay or the Whitehills
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* As noted in the [[Fridge/TelltalesGameOfThrones Fridge Brilliance entry for the game]], if you read her backstory, Lady Elissa's backstory was essentially the same as that of [[BreakTheCutie Sansa]] in the show. From her perspective, her house of original stayed loyal to the Targaryen as was their duty and went to war against Robert's Rebellion. Her entire family except for her brother got wiped out, and she was taken against her will to be married off to a person that, while might not be directly responsible, still belongs to the faction that murdered her entire family. Put yourself in her shoes, even if it turns out that Gregor is a good man (and that unlike Ramsay, didn't force himself on her in their wedding night), upon her husband's death, what reason does she have to be loyal to his house's legacy whatsoever? She most likely loves and cares for her children (As noted by Cersei, a mother have no choice but to love her own children), but not for Ironwood, not for House Forester, and is only concerned with keeping them alive,even if it means they will effectively get reduced to basically the same level as the common smallfolk.
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* As noted in the [[Fridge/TelltalesGameOfThrones Fridge Brilliance entry for the game]], if you read her backstory, Lady Elissa's backstory was essentially the same as that of [[BreakTheCutie Sansa]] in the show. From her perspective, her house of original stayed loyal to the Targaryen as was their duty and went to war against Robert's Rebellion. Her entire family except for her brother got wiped out, and she was taken against her will to be married off to a person that, while might not be directly responsible, still belongs to the faction that murdered her entire family. Put yourself in her shoes, even if it turns out that Gregor is a good man (and that unlike Ramsay, didn't force himself on her in their wedding night), upon her husband's death, what reason does she have to be loyal to his house's legacy whatsoever? She most likely loves and cares for her children (As noted by Cersei, a mother have no choice but to love her own children), but not for Ironwood, not for House Forester, and is only concerned with keeping them alive,even if it means they will effectively get reduced to basically the same level as the common smallfolk.smallfolk.
** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.
** The flashback sequence will have you playing as young Elissa, to see the fall of her house from her perspective. Her family killed, her lands taken away, and her personally dragged off kicking and screaming to be married off as a reward to some lord in the North. Making this a case of GreyAndGrayMorality and her betrayal a lot more understandable.
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* As noted in the [[Fridge/TelltalesGameOfThrones Fridge Brilliance entry for the game]], if you read her backstory, Lady Elissa's backstory was essentially the same as that of [[BreakTheCutie Sansa]] in the show. From her perspective, her house of original stayed loyal to the Targaryen as was their duty and went to war against Robert's Rebellion. Her entire family except for her brother got wiped out, and she was taken against her will to be married off to a person that, while might not be directly responsible, still belongs to the faction that murdered her entire family. Put yourself in her shoes, even if it turns out that Gregor is a good man (and that unlike Ramsay, didn't force himself on her in their wedding night), upon her husband's death, what reason does she have to be loyal to his house's legacy whatsoever? She most likely loves and cares for her children (As noted by Cersei, a mother have no choice but to love her own children), but not for Ironwood, not for House Forester, and is only concerned with keeping them alive,even if it means they will effectively get reduced to basically the same level as the common smallfolk.
* As noted in the [[Fridge/TelltalesGameOfThrones Fridge Brilliance entry for the game]], if you read her backstory, Lady Elissa's backstory was essentially the same as that of [[BreakTheCutie Sansa]] in the show. From her perspective, her house of original stayed loyal to the Targaryen as was their duty and went to war against Robert's Rebellion. Her entire family except for her brother got wiped out, and she was taken against her will to be married off to a person that, while might not be directly responsible, still belongs to the faction that murdered her entire family. Put yourself in her shoes, even if it turns out that Gregor is a good man (and that unlike Ramsay, didn't force himself on her in their wedding night), upon her husband's death, what reason does she have to be loyal to his house's legacy whatsoever? She most likely loves and cares for her children (As noted by Cersei, a mother have no choice but to love her own children), but not for Ironwood, not for House Forester, and is only concerned with keeping them alive,even if it means they will effectively get reduced to basically the same level as the common smallfolk.
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[[ [[spoiler: Because what other remaining family member has Rodrik gone out of his way to shield from harm the most? Deliberately harming Talia would be a very good way to both personally hurt Rodrik more than any physical pain and also seriously get under the players skin.]] ]]
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* The previews for Episode 4 feature Cersei pressuring Mira for information that might incriminate Tyrion. It is highly likely Cersei will trying to use some leverage over Mira to get her to testify against Tyrion, to the point of demanding she bare false witness.
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* The previews for Episode 4 5 feature Cersei pressuring Mira for information that might incriminate Tyrion. It is highly likely Cersei will trying to use some leverage over Mira to get her to testify against Tyrion, to the point of demanding she bare false witness.
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* Besides, knowing Ramsay he would be likely to keep her alive and relatively unhurt for now because it lets him leverage ''more'' suffering out of her family to watch them squirm and give him more excuses to inflict pain on them. After all, he could always rape/mutilate/kill her later if she still held his interest.
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* The previews for Episode 4 feature Cersei pressuring Mira for information that might incriminate Tyrion. It is highly likely Cersei will trying to use some leverage over Mira to get her to testify against Tyrion, to the point of demanding she bare false witness.
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* Episode 4 shows that the Whitehills are not as entirely bad as they first appear, despite their blatant antagonism toward House Forester. They have a proud history, were once close with House Forester, and their family was large and happy once, and Lord Whitehill can demonstrates that despite everything, [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he does care for his children]]. However, the death of Lady Whitehill ([[DeathByChildbirth implied giving birth to Gryff]]) seems to have soured them. [[FreudianExcuse Lord Whitehill took her death pretty hard, and Gryff was tormented by his older siblings for being seen as responsible for their mother's death]].
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*** Seems more likely by season 4. The Whitehills' slow and horrible craftsmanship is remarked on again and again, and Ramsay returns to Ironrath at the end of the episode to meet with Rodrick. Depending on how you approached him in episode 1 he might originally have proposed a trial period to see which house could handle the ironwood better. If so, the Whitehills should definitely be straining Roose's, and by extension Ramsay's, patience with their shoddy work despite all the goodwill they've been shown.
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* Doubtful. She seems too collected when Rodrick returns for him to have actually hurt her, doing so would be an idiot move if he's hoping to make some kind of deal with Rodrick, and we don't actually have any reason to think that he's into younger girls. He seemed more interested in [[TheMostDangerousGame taking her "hunting"]] than abusing her sexually when he threatened to take her as his ward.
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* It should be noted as well that Asher is attempting to get the Second Sons mercenary company to return to Westeros with him, and in Episode 7 of Season 5, Stannis and Davos mention the Second Sons deserting from their camp outside Winterfell. This implies that 1) The Second Sons (and presumably Asher) make it to Westeros, and 2) Either accomplish their goal and move on to Stannis, or were biding their time with Stannis before moving on to the Forresters. Though this assumes the show and the game are in that close of collusion, and that they didn't both just pluck the Second Sons from the books haphazardly.
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[[spoiler: He turns up at Ironrath to meet with Rodrick at the end of episode 4. The Whitehills' tools and ironwood shields are commented on as shoddy throughout the episode, and Lord Whitehill complains that he can't produce fast enough to keep the Bolton forces equipped. By episode 4 Ramsay(or his father) might have realized how much the Whitehills suck at working the ironwood and be ready to turn it back over to the Forresters if Rodrick can be controlled. Accepting this would help with with the house's financial crisis and curtail the Whitehills but would require Rodrick to ignore Ethan's murder by Ramsay's hand, and refusing it to spite him would invite further punishment from the Boltons.]]
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[[spoiler: He turns up at Ironrath to meet with Rodrick at the end of episode 4. The Whitehills' tools and ironwood shields are commented on as shoddy throughout the episode, and Lord Whitehill complains that he can't produce fast enough to keep the Bolton forces equipped. By episode 4 Ramsay(or his father) might have realized how much the Whitehills suck at working the ironwood and be ready to turn it back over to the Forresters if Rodrick can be controlled. Accepting this would help with with the house's financial crisis and curtail the Whitehills but would require Rodrick to ignore Ethan's murder by Ramsay's hand, and refusing it to spite him would invite further punishment from the Boltons.]]
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[[spoiler: He turns up at Ironrath to meet with Rodrick at the end of episode 4. The Whitehills' tools and ironwood shields are commented on as shoddy throughout the episode, and Lord Whitehill complains that he can't produce fast enough to keep the Bolton forces equipped. By episode 4 Ramsay(or his father) might have realized how much the Whitehills suck at working the ironwood and be ready to turn it back over to the Forresters. Forresters if Rodrick can be controlled. Accepting this would provide the house help with a huge advantage over with the Whitehills, house's financial crisis and curtail the Whitehills but would require Rodrick to turn a blind eye to Ramsay murdering Ethan, ignore Ethan's murder by Ramsay's hand, and refusing it to spite him would invite further punishment from the Boltons.]]
