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26th Oct '16 3:49:46 PM ApeAccount
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* Having just rewatched season 10, I wonder if Cain should be on the list. If the Mark wouldn't let him die then presumably he's Colt proof. In that case, maybe we do exclude God, Death and Amara as not "in creation". So we have Lucifer, Michael and Cain and two open spots. The other two archangels, perhaps?
25th Oct '16 3:41:36 AM ApeAccount
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[[WMG: Mary will become Lucifer's vessel]]
In the same way that Dean was Michael's chosen vessel but Adam could fill the role without burning out, maybe Mary could serve as Lucifer's vessel instead of Sam. It was suggested that Sam and Dean's birth was arranged which indicates that it may have been both their Winchester and Campbell blood together that made them such a perfect match, in which case Mary is as close to Sam as Adam was.

She will either be tricked or manipulated into saying "yes" (possibly sacrificing herself to save one of her sons by standard Supernatural rules).

Given the rule that good things aren't allowed to last, by the time they are able to get Lucifer out of her body it will be damaged enough that she will die again.
21st Oct '16 4:35:35 PM ApeAccount
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[[WMG: The British Men of Letters Claims of Success will be Revealed to be a Technicality]]
They claim not to have had a monster related death in Britain for decades by warding airports and the docks.

Monster can't logically include demons. Crowley showed in "Weekend at Bobby's" that he could just teleport into Scotland (part of Britain) whenever he wanted (of course, demons can also be summoned and bypass airports). Obviously he's capable of killing people in Britain if he wishes before the British Men of Letters show up (for that matter, since he wouldn't go through any of their airports or docks, they wouldn't even know about it). He'd certain be able to send crossroads demons into Britain to make deals and then collect on the debts by killing people when the contracts are up.

Similarly, especially given her history with the Men of Letters, there's no way someone like Abaddon would have just stood by while Britain was protected from her kind by another branch of theirs.

If nothing else, Lucifer took out a bunch of Gods before the apocalypse. He'd probably have taken that British Men of Letters out for the fun of it if they were really that successful.

Still, the term monster isn't that often applied to demons so maybe we exclude them (and Lucifer being an archangel certainly wouldn't get the title).

Their warding strategy wouldn't work against witches (since witches are effectively human and even if they weren't a person could become a witch while in Britain and kill someone) but maybe they don't count witches as monsters.

The same goes for ghosts who could clearly die in Britain and kill people but again may not be known as "monsters".

Dick Roman, Metatron and Amara may not have had a reason to go there but clearly could have if they'd wanted to (at his most powerful, Metatron could just brush angel warding aside and, if the Men of Letters were powerful enough to be a threat to him, may have just taken them out to be safe). For that matter, Leviathans probably should have gone there at some point if they were intending to take over the world (and there's no logical reason why the British Men of Letters would have had warding against them or known how to stop them) but I'll buy that maybe they didn't. One would also think that if Amara was so pro-Chaos and Britain was "protected" that's exactly where she might target, but then God's sister probably doesn't count as a monster.

At the same time, there are various gods shown throughout the show who require completely unique ways to kill them. Even if the Men of Letters responded in minutes to their arrival of the country there's no way they'd have the right equipment to kill them (given they all require something different), so gods probably don't count either.

Maybe the term monster is reserved for creatures like werewolves, vampires and shapeshifters. By extensions, they probably only classify the relatively weaker supernatural creatures as monsters in order to keep their "perfect" record.



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14th Oct '16 10:21:39 PM DarkCyberWolf
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[[WMG: The series will end with Sam and Dean going on one final case.]]
Specifically, a [[BookEnds simple ghost case]]. Featuring Jessica Moore.
14th Oct '16 10:18:57 PM DarkCyberWolf
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[[WMG: Dean will make a [[TheBeatles musical reference]] while rescuing Sam from the English Men of Letters.]]
--> Dean: *with a smirk* Guess you've found yourself in times of trouble?
--> Sam: Wha-?" *sees his [[spoiler: mother Mary come to him]]*
29th Jun '16 10:11:53 AM Rebu
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->''And if I claim to be a wise man,''
->''Well, it surely means that I don't know''
->-'''Kansas, "Wayward Son"'''
10th Jun '16 11:42:31 PM TitoMosquito
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*** Then again, it makes me a bit suspicious, because it's so obvious. It would be such a big turning point for the show, I just can't believe that it will happen. NeverTrustTheTrailer. Or spoiler, in that case. Also (real spoilers!)[[spoiler: it said "beloved character". Which means it could be anyone ranging from Castiel to Crowley, Meg or even Dean and Sam. Hell, maybe even Lucifer. I don't think that there's one character left on the show that is generally disliked (like most of the female characters). Remember last season, when a "fan favourite" was to die? While I'm one of the few who liked Ruby, I think that we all know that she was anything but a fan favourite. ]]

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*** Then again, it makes me a bit suspicious, because it's so obvious. It would be such a big turning point for the show, I just can't believe that it will happen. NeverTrustTheTrailer.NeverTrustATrailer. Or spoiler, in that case. Also (real spoilers!)[[spoiler: it said "beloved character". Which means it could be anyone ranging from Castiel to Crowley, Meg or even Dean and Sam. Hell, maybe even Lucifer. I don't think that there's one character left on the show that is generally disliked (like most of the female characters). Remember last season, when a "fan favourite" was to die? While I'm one of the few who liked Ruby, I think that we all know that she was anything but a fan favourite. ]]



7. It'll begin the same way as number 6. But instead of being saved by Jesse, the boys meet with a mysterious woman. She takes the form of Mary Winchester, Jess Moore, and Karen Singer, making the boys uneasy. She tells them she's not a demon, angel, or any other supernatural monster. She's really {{God}}'s mother, the TRUE creator of the universe. God is one of her many children (which includes Death and Eve, see theory above). She tells them that God has "retired" after the Apocalypse has been averted (explaining why he didn't give Castiel a sign). Though the boys are skeptical at first, considering that all the higher beings they've encountered turned out to be jackasses. But, even though she was offended by the word "jackass", she assures them she's nothing like the angels or demons. She's very loving and caring to ALL her children. And she loves the [[HumansAreSpecial humans deeply]] and doesn't want the Apocalypse to happen. She's disgusted by how the angels and demons act, always using the humans as cannon fodder. She takes over the "Cas" role and wish to help the boys stop Cas. But reasons known only to her, she cannot interfere, so she can only give out hints and tips to the boys.

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7. It'll begin the same way as number 6. But instead of being saved by Jesse, the boys meet with a mysterious woman. She takes the form of Mary Winchester, Jess Moore, and Karen Singer, making the boys uneasy. She tells them she's not a demon, angel, or any other supernatural monster. She's really {{God}}'s mother, the TRUE creator of the universe. God is one of her many children (which includes Death and Eve, see theory above).in Character Guesses page's "God & "X is God"). She tells them that God has "retired" after the Apocalypse has been averted (explaining why he didn't give Castiel a sign). Though the boys are skeptical at first, considering that all the higher beings they've encountered turned out to be jackasses. But, even though she was offended by the word "jackass", she assures them she's nothing like the angels or demons. She's very loving and caring to ALL her children. And she loves the [[HumansAreSpecial humans deeply]] and doesn't want the Apocalypse to happen. She's disgusted by how the angels and demons act, always using the humans as cannon fodder. She takes over the "Cas" role and wish to help the boys stop Cas. But reasons known only to her, she cannot interfere, so she can only give out hints and tips to the boys.




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* [[spoiler:Jossed, there'll be another.]]




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* [[spoiler:Jossed. However, when God was dying, existence was about to fade to nothingness and she would fade away herself.]]


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[[WMG: This will ''really'' be the final season.]]
2nd Jun '16 12:09:24 AM ApeAccount
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Evidence? Her singing "Oh Death" for one. Her taking such a persistant interest in the Winchesters. Also, an ordinary reaper pulling out hundreds of thousands of souls from the Veil at once?

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Evidence? Her singing "Oh Death" for one. Her taking such a persistant interest in the Winchesters. Also, an ordinary reaper pulling out hundreds of thousands of souls from the Veil at once?once?

[[WMG: Lucifer's angels exist and will eventually become antagonists]]
In the Bible, Lucifer didn't rebel on his own. He actually led an army of angels (if memory serves about a third of God's army). These angels have been conspicuously absent from the series. Given the tendency to reveal that powerful threats have been sealed away somewhere (Lucifer, Eve, Leviathans, Amara) it's possible that these angels do actually exist but that God sealed them away somewhere away from Lucifer. He then chose to wipe the memory of the other angels of their existence (this was before he was as big on the whole "free will" thing, plus he was regretting it a bit after what Lucifer had just done). After all, one rogue angel existing and being punished reminds them the importance of following orders. Hundreds of rogue angels makes them question whether following orders was the right thing to do.

The series will need to introduce new antagonists at some point (this is being written after Season 11 has just ended and it looks like the British Men of Letters may play a part, but they hardly seem worthy to take over as the primary antagonists...I hope). Obviously it will be difficult to top Amara in power terms (in fact it would strain credibility). It would seem unlikely that they can just keep using more powerful demons. Leviathans showed the dangers of trying to jam a completely new monster into the mythos and trying to put it on a power scale any way comparable to the existing beings. However an angel army who were attacking humans (and against whom Sam and Dean didn't have the protection of being needed for "the big prize fight" like in season five) could be just what the series needs.
30th May '16 6:28:00 AM Millstone85
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In the last scene with Metatron he asks him to read the last pages of his autobiography. While Chuck is singing a farewell song both exchange sorrowful looks as if saying goodbye. We learn in the past that both Amara and God are equal in power and both sides of balance. Creation and destruction, light and dark and that Chuck chose to contain her. What if he contained her because there was no way to destroy her without destroying herself. Maybe she is not aware of this or believes as the embodiment of nothing she cannot be destroyed. Negative and positive colliding to end them both.

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In the last scene with Metatron he asks him to read the last pages of his autobiography. While Chuck is singing a farewell song both exchange sorrowful looks as if saying goodbye. We learn in the past that both Amara and God are equal in power and both sides of balance. Creation and destruction, light and dark and that Chuck chose to contain her. What if he contained her because there was no way to destroy her without destroying herself.himself. Maybe she is not aware of this or believes as the embodiment of nothing she cannot be destroyed. Negative and positive colliding to end them both.
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* [[spoiler:Close. Chuck was planning to let Amara lock him away as he had done to her, hoping that would satiate her desire for vengeance and she would spare Creation. Also, both Chuck and Amara believe neither of them can exist without the other.]]
29th May '16 7:42:47 PM ManEFaces
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[[WMG: The Winchesters will be put on trial by the Men of Letters]]
It'll involve the Men of Letters being an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness who will hold a combination of TrialOfTheMysticalJury and KangarooCourt for Sam and Dean. Various characters will testify for or against them, but the final verdict will inevitably be that the Winchesters are guilty of doing more harm than good. Then either some evil force will threaten to destroy the Men of Letters and they'll pull an EntitledBastard and ask the Winchesters to save them, or they'll be revealed as a DeadlyDecadentCourt and the Winchesters will bring them down. Neither Chuck nor Amara will show up because it's a human affair and using them too much would cheapen them.
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