History WMG / SuperMarioBros

22nd Apr '17 6:19:49 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: SuperMarioSunshine is Bowser Jr.'s attempt to emulate Bowser's childhood battles with Mario.]]
Yoshi, in SuperMarioSunshine, dissolves when submerged in water, just like paint creatures, because the Yoshis on Isle Delfino are just paint creations (remember that they are first seen in Shadow Mario's possession). Piranha Plants and Shy Guys, two of the main enemies from YoshisIsland, are recreated as the goopy piranha creatures and Swooping Stus. [[EvilKnockoff ShadowMario]] is reminiscent of Kamek, as a recurring enemy who appears at the end of each level and is Bowser's [[TheDragon right hand man]]. [[KingMook Petey Piranha]], meanwhile, is from the OTHER major battle from Bowser's childhood - [[Mario&Luigi Partners in Time]] - where it is revealed he was brought to earth by the Shroobs. Given that he dissolves into paint in SuperMarioSunshine, he is most likely a paint replica of the real Petey (who subsequently appears in spinoffs).

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[[WMG: SuperMarioSunshine VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine is Bowser Jr.'s attempt to emulate Bowser's childhood battles with Mario.]]
Yoshi, in SuperMarioSunshine, VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine, dissolves when submerged in water, just like paint creatures, because the Yoshis on Isle Delfino are just paint creations (remember that they are first seen in Shadow Mario's possession). Piranha Plants and Shy Guys, two of the main enemies from YoshisIsland, are recreated as the goopy piranha creatures and Swooping Stus. [[EvilKnockoff ShadowMario]] is reminiscent of Kamek, as a recurring enemy who appears at the end of each level and is Bowser's [[TheDragon right hand man]]. [[KingMook Petey Piranha]], meanwhile, is from the OTHER major battle from Bowser's childhood - [[Mario&Luigi [[VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi Partners in Time]] - where it is revealed he was brought to earth by the Shroobs. Given that he dissolves into paint in SuperMarioSunshine, VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine, he is most likely a paint replica of the real Petey (who subsequently appears in spinoffs).



[[WMG: In-universe, Bowser was believed to have died after ''SuperMario64'']]
And I have evidence to back this up, most notably that Madame Clairvoya in ''VideoGame/LuigisMansion'' said that Bowser had been "soundly defeated" by Mario. NeverSayDie at work here, perhaps? Later, in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' (assuming that the games take place in release order), no one seems to suspect that Bowser [[HijackedByGanon was behind the whole plot]] even though he ''always'' is behind the whole plot. Perhaps he went into hiding after being defeated in ''64'' and had Bowser Jr. in the meantime. That's why everyone was so surprised to see him in ''Sunshine''.

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[[WMG: In-universe, Bowser was believed to have died after ''SuperMario64'']]
''VideoGame/SuperMario64'']]
And I have evidence to back this up, most notably that Madame Clairvoya in ''VideoGame/LuigisMansion'' said that Bowser had been "soundly defeated" by Mario. NeverSayDie at work here, perhaps? Later, in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' (assuming that the games take place in release order), no one seems to suspect that Bowser [[HijackedByGanon was behind the whole plot]] even though he ''always'' is behind the whole plot. Perhaps he went into hiding after being defeated in ''64'' and had Bowser Jr. in the meantime. That's why everyone was so surprised to see him in ''Sunshine''.



[[WMG: Peach's confusion at "Mama Peach" in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' is ObfuscatingStupidity.]]

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[[WMG: Peach's confusion at "Mama Peach" in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' ''VideoGame/SuperMarioSunshine'' is ObfuscatingStupidity.]]
22nd Apr '17 5:59:52 PM nombretomado
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* Alternatively, she's not totalitarian as much as completely incompetent and a total Ditz. She spends more time going on picnics, driving go-karts, and baking cakes than actually running the country. And when she does, she's always favoring the mushroom people over the innumerable 'ugly' races. This facism isn't out of genuine dislike, but complete Marie Antoinette "Let them eat cake" disconnection from reality. Only the mushroom people support her rule, because they get all the benefits. Everyone else sees what a twit she is, and supports Bowser's reforms.

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* Alternatively, she's not totalitarian as much as completely incompetent and a total Ditz. She spends more time going on picnics, driving go-karts, and baking cakes than actually running the country. And when she does, she's always favoring the mushroom people over the innumerable 'ugly' races. This facism fascism isn't out of genuine dislike, but complete Marie Antoinette "Let them eat cake" disconnection from reality. Only the mushroom people support her rule, because they get all the benefits. Everyone else sees what a twit she is, and supports Bowser's reforms.



*** I think this version, or at least an ancestral war between Toads and Koopas, is supported by SuperMarioBrosZ -- in epizode 7, there is mention that the war has started way before Peach and Bowser.

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*** I think this version, or at least an ancestral war between Toads and Koopas, is supported by SuperMarioBrosZ ''WebAnimation/SuperMarioBrosZ'' -- in epizode episode 7, there is mention that the war has started way before Peach and Bowser.
2nd Apr '17 3:52:29 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: Similarly to the above, Mr. L is Luigi's [[Persona4 shadow.]]]]

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[[WMG: Similarly to the above, Mr. L is Luigi's [[Persona4 [[VideoGame/Persona4 shadow.]]]]
2nd Apr '17 10:00:13 AM nombretomado
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* The playable character Koops in ''VideoGame/PaperMario: The Thousand Year Door'' is explicitly male and has an NPC girlfriend who appears onscreen.

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* The playable character Koops in ''VideoGame/PaperMario: The Thousand Year Door'' ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'' is explicitly male and has an NPC girlfriend who appears onscreen.



* If Peach is an anti-Giygas, then [[spoiler:why wasn't the Shadow Queen even ''stronger'' at the end of PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor?]]

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* If Peach is an anti-Giygas, then [[spoiler:why wasn't the Shadow Queen even ''stronger'' at the end of PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor?]]''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''?]]



* Given that he refers to himself as a Star Spirit, it follows that ''all'' the Star Spirits of Star Road (seen in VideoGame/PaperMario) are Lumas. Their special powers are due to extended exposure to the Star Rod.

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* Given that he refers to himself as a Star Spirit, it follows that ''all'' the Star Spirits of Star Road (seen in VideoGame/PaperMario) ''VideoGame/PaperMario'') are Lumas. Their special powers are due to extended exposure to the Star Rod.



* By Super Mario Bros. 3, Luigi could see fairly easily that practically nobody knew about him, even giving him Mario's mail. This served as his first blow to the ego.
* In Super Mario World, Luigi was exposed to the horrors of ghosts at the same time as he and his brother found several Yoshis. This, combined with the above, triggered a subliminal reaction.
* Due to the effects on his psyche, Luigi became dependent on his brother, choosing to live with him as HeterosexualLifePartners as shown in VideoGame/PaperMario. When he finally got his own place in Luigi's Mansion, Mario checked it out first ''precisely because'' both of them knew that Luigi wouldn't be ready to move out all alone.

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* By Super ''Super Mario Bros. 3, 3'', Luigi could see fairly easily that practically nobody knew about him, even giving him Mario's mail. This served as his first blow to the ego.
* In Super ''Super Mario World, World'', Luigi was exposed to the horrors of ghosts at the same time as he and his brother found several Yoshis. This, combined with the above, triggered a subliminal reaction.
* Due to the effects on his psyche, Luigi became dependent on his brother, choosing to live with him as HeterosexualLifePartners as shown in VideoGame/PaperMario.''VideoGame/PaperMario''. When he finally got his own place in Luigi's Mansion, Mario checked it out first ''precisely because'' both of them knew that Luigi wouldn't be ready to move out all alone.



Hence the strange random SuperDrowningSkills moments. It should be noted in ''[[VideoGame/PaperMario Super Paper Mario]]'', Mario almost suffocates in Outer Space, but comes up with the solution of putting an empty fish bowl on his head, which solves that problem. Supposedly the Lumas "help" him do this in ''Galaxy'', but it probably doesn't take that much effort.

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Hence the strange random SuperDrowningSkills moments. It should be noted in ''[[VideoGame/PaperMario Super Paper Mario]]'', ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', Mario almost suffocates in Outer Space, but comes up with the solution of putting an empty fish bowl on his head, which solves that problem. Supposedly the Lumas "help" him do this in ''Galaxy'', but it probably doesn't take that much effort.



* This Troper is seriously expecting this to happen in the next VideoGame/PaperMario game.

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* This Troper is seriously expecting this to happen in the next VideoGame/PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' game.



* Well, in the ''TheAfterYears''; we know that the Fiends were all sent by "the Creator" to ally with villains to affect the evolution of different Final Fantasy worlds with Crystals in them. "Vanda" was one of those worlds. Given how the success of the "Smithy Incident" lead to the creation of the VideoGame/PaperMario universe, he had a profound effect.

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* Well, in the ''TheAfterYears''; we know that the Fiends were all sent by "the Creator" to ally with villains to affect the evolution of different Final Fantasy worlds with Crystals in them. "Vanda" was one of those worlds. Given how the success of the "Smithy Incident" lead to the creation of the VideoGame/PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' universe, he had a profound effect.



** That actually makes a lot of sense--Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. And everyone in the Underwhere in VideoGame/SuperPaperMario mentions not having any more extra lives.

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** That actually makes a lot of sense--Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. And everyone in the Underwhere in VideoGame/SuperPaperMario ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' mentions not having any more extra lives.



As for why it works on Bowser, well, maybe it doesn't. Maybe that is some other form of wizardry. Same with Peach if she really is part toad, she's shown to have a lot of magic the other mushroom kingdom citizens don't have. Yoshis, being different species probably don't age anyway. Even the Yoshi elder in VideoGame/PaperMario looks about the same age as the rest of them, besides the children.

And as for how Mario meets Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong after Super Mario Galaxy 2, well, that's the Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong from VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns, and it's hinted that the Cranky Kong in that game is the Donkey Kong from VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry. So the Donkey Kong and Diddy Kongs with Mario after Super Mario Galaxy 2 are the ones in DKCR.

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As for why it works on Bowser, well, maybe it doesn't. Maybe that is some other form of wizardry. Same with Peach if she really is part toad, she's shown to have a lot of magic the other mushroom kingdom citizens don't have. Yoshis, being different species probably don't age anyway. Even the Yoshi elder in VideoGame/PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' looks about the same age as the rest of them, besides the children.

And as for how Mario meets Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong after Super ''Super Mario Galaxy 2, 2'', well, that's the Donkey Kong and Diddy Kong from VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns, ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountryReturns'', and it's hinted that the Cranky Kong in that game is the Donkey Kong from VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry. ''VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry''. So the Donkey Kong and Diddy Kongs with Mario after Super ''Super Mario Galaxy 2 2'' are the ones in DKCR.



'''EXHIBIT B''': Some choices in the VideoGame/PaperMario titles are less than pure, including one near the end of VideoGame/SuperPaperMario wherein Mario can choose to side with the BigBad.

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'''EXHIBIT B''': Some choices in the VideoGame/PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' titles are less than pure, including one near the end of VideoGame/SuperPaperMario ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'' wherein Mario can choose to side with the BigBad.



** Unless there's a near endless string of them. It has already happened once (in ''[[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Super Paper Mario]]''), and it could, in all likelihood, happen again.

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** Unless there's a near endless string of them. It has already happened once (in ''[[VideoGame/SuperPaperMario Super Paper Mario]]''), ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario''), and it could, in all likelihood, happen again.



We know they do starting in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'', but it seems likely that some of the enemies in earlier games are just normal ones with power-ups. For example, Paragoombas and Paratroopas are normal Goombas and Koopas after using Wings (from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld and ''VideoGame/SuperMario64 DS''). It seems that their wing-loss isn't permanent (in VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, you can fight a few specific individuals multiple times, and they'll regain their wings each time), so this could explain why.

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We know they do starting in ''VideoGame/SuperMario3DLand'', but it seems likely that some of the enemies in earlier games are just normal ones with power-ups. For example, Paragoombas and Paratroopas are normal Goombas and Koopas after using Wings (from ''VideoGame/SuperMarioWorld and ''VideoGame/SuperMario64 DS''). It seems that their wing-loss isn't permanent (in VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor, ''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'', you can fight a few specific individuals multiple times, and they'll regain their wings each time), so this could explain why.



While the Mario series has been known for simplistic ExcusePlot stories there probably was a canon for the series back during the NES and SNES eras since we can just easily assume that Super Mario Bros 1 to World all follow each other and games like VideoGame/SuperMarioLand are simply side stories. However during the N64 era not too long after when Mario 64 came out the series was starting to focus more on Spinoffs like the Mario Party series and Side games than Main Series games. (In which over the years the "Main Series" games appeared so infrequently in which it got to the point where it can be difficult to tell what could be considered a "Main Series" game nowadays.) Oh sure there were Mario Spin Off games before the N64 such as Yoshi's Cookie and the original Super Mario Kart but the franchise seemed to have focused more into that ever since the N64 era. There is also the fact that ever since the 90s, the series has gone into the Role Playing Game genre starting with VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG but now going into the VideoGame/PaperMario and VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi games in which these games are normally not ExcusePlot games at all (especially most of the Paper Mario games).

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While the Mario series has been known for simplistic ExcusePlot stories there probably was a canon for the series back during the NES and SNES eras since we can just easily assume that Super Mario Bros 1 to World all follow each other and games like VideoGame/SuperMarioLand are simply side stories. However during the N64 era not too long after when Mario 64 came out the series was starting to focus more on Spinoffs like the Mario Party series and Side games than Main Series games. (In which over the years the "Main Series" games appeared so infrequently in which it got to the point where it can be difficult to tell what could be considered a "Main Series" game nowadays.) Oh sure there were Mario Spin Off games before the N64 such as Yoshi's Cookie and the original Super Mario Kart but the franchise seemed to have focused more into that ever since the N64 era. There is also the fact that ever since the 90s, the series has gone into the Role Playing Game genre starting with VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG ''VideoGame/SuperMarioRPG'' but now going into the VideoGame/PaperMario ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' and VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi ''VideoGame/MarioAndLuigi'' games in which these games are normally not ExcusePlot games at all (especially most of the Paper Mario games).



In SuperPaperMario, the Tribe of Ancients is spoken of as a highly advanced civilization possessing great magical power with their influence being felt across many dimensions. Much about them is shrouded in mystery although they were great believers in ThePowerOfLove. They felt that love would be able to save the universe from complete destruction one day and through their powers, created the Pure Hearts that the Heroes of Light are destined to find and use. Coincidentally, Mario and Luigi are two of these heroes.

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In SuperPaperMario, ''VideoGame/SuperPaperMario'', the Tribe of Ancients is spoken of as a highly advanced civilization possessing great magical power with their influence being felt across many dimensions. Much about them is shrouded in mystery although they were great believers in ThePowerOfLove. They felt that love would be able to save the universe from complete destruction one day and through their powers, created the Pure Hearts that the Heroes of Light are destined to find and use. Coincidentally, Mario and Luigi are two of these heroes.



Magic aside, there's no reason Peach wouldn't be aware if there was even a chance of Bowser having a kid with her. So she knows that she's not Bowser Jr's mama - but it's not like he'll just believe her if she says so. So instead of outright denying it, she lets him go through his monologue, figures out what he thinks is the case. Then while she's captured, she talks to Junior, asking him questions about the stories his dad's told him, slowly making him start to doubt it as the contradictions pile up. She knows she's not in any real danger - Bowser's not going to hurt her, and by extension neither is Junior, and Mario's going to come eventually - and searching for her will get him to more of the Shine Sprites and help clean up the island, which he's been charged to do anyway. On top of that, because in the end Junior's realized the truth mostly on his own, he's not so angry at his dad about the deception, so she's helped keep their relationship on good terms as well (because she's just nice like that). It fits with other aspects we've seen of her character in other games, working behind the scenes to foster a good resolution despite being in a less than optimal position to help (Enclosing items in ''SuperMarioBros3'', her actions in ''PaperMario'' and ''PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''). Might be why Bowser started keeping her in a cage...

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Magic aside, there's no reason Peach wouldn't be aware if there was even a chance of Bowser having a kid with her. So she knows that she's not Bowser Jr's mama - but it's not like he'll just believe her if she says so. So instead of outright denying it, she lets him go through his monologue, figures out what he thinks is the case. Then while she's captured, she talks to Junior, asking him questions about the stories his dad's told him, slowly making him start to doubt it as the contradictions pile up. She knows she's not in any real danger - Bowser's not going to hurt her, and by extension neither is Junior, and Mario's going to come eventually - and searching for her will get him to more of the Shine Sprites and help clean up the island, which he's been charged to do anyway. On top of that, because in the end Junior's realized the truth mostly on his own, he's not so angry at his dad about the deception, so she's helped keep their relationship on good terms as well (because she's just nice like that). It fits with other aspects we've seen of her character in other games, working behind the scenes to foster a good resolution despite being in a less than optimal position to help (Enclosing items in ''SuperMarioBros3'', her actions in ''PaperMario'' ''VideoGame/PaperMario'' and ''PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor'').''VideoGame/PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''). Might be why Bowser started keeping her in a cage...
4th Mar '17 10:03:39 AM nombretomado
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* Bowser is a capitalist? Then explain "Bowser Revolution" in VideoGame/MarioParty, in which he takes everyone's money and redistributes it evenly.

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* Bowser is a capitalist? Then explain "Bowser Revolution" in VideoGame/MarioParty, ''VideoGame/MarioParty'', in which he takes everyone's money and redistributes it evenly.



We see that he does love Peach, and that fact that she's willing to be nice to him keeps driving him to kidnap her. But beyond that, he's kidnapping her and trying to TakeOverTheWorld because he's insecure is afraid of looking weak, we see in the [=RPG=]s and some of the MarioParty games he can be nice, but doesn't want to admit it, [[FridgeBrilliance because he doesn't want to look weak]].

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We see that he does love Peach, and that fact that she's willing to be nice to him keeps driving him to kidnap her. But beyond that, he's kidnapping her and trying to TakeOverTheWorld because he's insecure is afraid of looking weak, we see in the [=RPG=]s and some of the MarioParty ''VideoGame/MarioParty'' games he can be nice, but doesn't want to admit it, [[FridgeBrilliance because he doesn't want to look weak]].
21st Feb '17 11:35:08 PM Sammettik
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* Jossed,due to sheer stupidity and Paper Mario being confirmed non-canon(it still happened in a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE,and everything except Super Mario Maker is canon TO ITSELF)

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* Jossed,due to sheer stupidity and Paper Mario being confirmed non-canon(it still happened in a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE,and everything except Super Mario Maker is canon TO ITSELF)
13th Feb '17 3:40:21 PM LucianTheLugia
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Coming back to this theory in regards to the Nintendo Switch, maybe one of the [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03bAayBtcb0 more recent videos about the console]] could be seen as an in-universe educational video on letting children play video games. The real world has done this, with Goku of Anime/DragonBallZ fame being featured to teach traffic safety!
16th Jan '17 2:54:01 PM Xtifr
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** In DiddyKongRacing, you see ''Banjo-Kazooie'' characters and [[VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay Conker]] (This was while his game was still intended to be kid-friendly).

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** In DiddyKongRacing, ''VideoGame/DiddyKongRacing'', you see ''Banjo-Kazooie'' characters and [[VideoGame/ConkersBadFurDay Conker]] (This was while his game was still intended to be kid-friendly).
15th Jan '17 9:16:13 AM nombretomado
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And I have evidence to back this up, most notably that Madame Clairvoya in ''LuigisMansion'' said that Bowser had been "soundly defeated" by Mario. NeverSayDie at work here, perhaps? Later, in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' (assuming that the games take place in release order), no one seems to suspect that Bowser [[HijackedByGanon was behind the whole plot]] even though he ''always'' is behind the whole plot. Perhaps he went into hiding after being defeated in ''64'' and had Bowser Jr. in the meantime. That's why everyone was so surprised to see him in ''Sunshine''.

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And I have evidence to back this up, most notably that Madame Clairvoya in ''LuigisMansion'' ''VideoGame/LuigisMansion'' said that Bowser had been "soundly defeated" by Mario. NeverSayDie at work here, perhaps? Later, in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' (assuming that the games take place in release order), no one seems to suspect that Bowser [[HijackedByGanon was behind the whole plot]] even though he ''always'' is behind the whole plot. Perhaps he went into hiding after being defeated in ''64'' and had Bowser Jr. in the meantime. That's why everyone was so surprised to see him in ''Sunshine''.



* [[SiblingTeam Mario and Luigi]] have been previously shown to care for each other and have very strong bonds. Just look at LuigisMansion and LuigisMansionDarkMoon for [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for such moments.]] So brotherly love.

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* [[SiblingTeam Mario and Luigi]] have been previously shown to care for each other and have very strong bonds. Just look at LuigisMansion ''VideoGame/LuigisMansion'' and LuigisMansionDarkMoon ''VideoGame/LuigisMansionDarkMoon'' for [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming for such moments.]] So brotherly love.
14th Jan '17 1:15:30 PM Thad
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*Jossed,due to sheer stupidity and Paper Mario being confirmed non-canon(it still happened in a DIFFERENT UNIVERSE,and everything except Super Mario Maker is canon TO ITSELF)
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