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12th Feb '16 5:55:37 PM HotHead1987
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[[WMG:Bowser idealized the original Donkey Kong when he was younger, and is honoring his legacy by kidnapping Peach over and over.]] Bowser was the original Donkey Kong's biggest fan, and considers himself to be the successor to the original DK. Bowser is unaware that the original DK is now Cranky Kong, and thinks he died. This would explain the final boss fight in Super Mario 3D Land.
30th Jan '16 1:06:04 PM GM_3826
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** That actually makes a lot of sense--Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. And everyone in the Underwhere in SuperPaperMario mentions not having any more extra lives.
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** That actually makes a lot of sense--Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. And everyone in the Underwhere in SuperPaperMario VideoGame/SuperPaperMario mentions not having any more extra lives.
30th Jan '16 12:45:50 PM HeraldAlberich
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** Link appears sleeping in an inn in Videogame/SuperMarioRPG. Enemies resembling Deku Scrubs appear in SuperMarioGalaxy, and there is a club called "Link's Club" with the triforce as its logo in Mario Golf. He's also been mentioned in VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry, by Bazaar, who runs a general store.
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** Link appears sleeping in an inn in Videogame/SuperMarioRPG. Enemies resembling Deku Scrubs appear in SuperMarioGalaxy, VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy, and there is a club called "Link's Club" with the triforce as its logo in Mario Golf. He's also been mentioned in VideoGame/DonkeyKongCountry, by Bazaar, who runs a general store.

** That actually makes a lot of sense - Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in SuperMarioGalaxy. And everyone in the Underwhere in SuperPaperMario mentions not having any more extra lives.
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** That actually makes a lot of sense - Koopa sense--Koopa Troopas, at least, respawn infinitely in SuperMarioGalaxy.''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy''. And everyone in the Underwhere in SuperPaperMario mentions not having any more extra lives.

So, in VideoGame/DonkeyKong Mario looks around 30 years old. But, in Mario spin-off games and MariovsDonkeyKong, Mario meets Donkey Kong's grandson, the current Donkey Kong. At this point the original Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong from DKC, who looks around 75. Since he looked about the same age as Mario in VideoGame/DonkeyKong, Mario would also be 75 at this point. Then, 100 years pass between SuperMarioGalaxy and SuperMarioGalaxy2, at which point Mario must be around 175.
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So, in VideoGame/DonkeyKong Mario looks around 30 years old. But, in Mario spin-off games and MariovsDonkeyKong, Mario meets Donkey Kong's grandson, the current Donkey Kong. At this point the original Donkey Kong is Cranky Kong from DKC, who looks around 75. Since he looked about the same age as Mario in VideoGame/DonkeyKong, Mario would also be 75 at this point. Then, 100 years pass between SuperMarioGalaxy ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'' and SuperMarioGalaxy2, ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2'', at which point Mario must be around 175.

'''EXHIBIT D''': The first boss of SuperMarioGalaxy, Dino Piranha, is a newborn that only fights because Mario hurt it first. That's right, for the sake of saving Peach, [[MoralEventHorizon Mario murdered a baby in cold blood.]]
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'''EXHIBIT D''': The first boss of SuperMarioGalaxy, ''VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy'', Dino Piranha, is a newborn that only fights because Mario hurt it first. That's right, for the sake of saving Peach, [[MoralEventHorizon Mario murdered a baby in cold blood.]]

[[WMG: The [[SuperMarioGalaxy2 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] Will be the Main Antagonists in Super Mario Bros 3D Platformer]] They were watching Mario is SuperMarioGalaxy2. Watching and waiting to see what he could possibly do. They saw him turn fire into ice and ice into fire. They saw him defy gravity. They saw him defeat one of the most villainous creatures to every try and take over the galaxy. From their studies, they realized that Mario is a true adversary to them. And now it's their turn to defeat him. Taking control of Bowsers' Kingdom and the Mushroom Kingdom through a form of Possession, the Hell Valley Sky Trees are taking over the entire world. It's up to Mario to defeat them and free the world from this vile threat.
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[[WMG: The [[SuperMarioGalaxy2 [[VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2 Hell Valley Sky Trees]] Will be the Main Antagonists in Super Mario Bros 3D Platformer]] They were watching Mario is SuperMarioGalaxy2.VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2. Watching and waiting to see what he could possibly do. They saw him turn fire into ice and ice into fire. They saw him defy gravity. They saw him defeat one of the most villainous creatures to every try and take over the galaxy. From their studies, they realized that Mario is a true adversary to them. And now it's their turn to defeat him. Taking control of Bowsers' Kingdom and the Mushroom Kingdom through a form of Possession, the Hell Valley Sky Trees are taking over the entire world. It's up to Mario to defeat them and free the world from this vile threat.

Now look at Rosalina. She's probably the biggest EnsembleDarkhorse since those two, maybe even bigger. Her popularity has risen to the point where she's practically omnipresent; she's shown up in not only SuperMarioGalaxy and [[spoiler: SuperMarioGalaxy2]] (as well as Mario Party: Island Tour), but she's also playable in [[spoiler: SuperMario3DWorld]], MarioKartWii, MarioKart7, the upcoming Mario Kart 8, and even in the upcoming fourth VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Seriously, '''Super Smash Bros.''' She's playable in a '''MascotFighter''' when she's only a major recurring character in the series.
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Now look at Rosalina. She's probably the biggest EnsembleDarkhorse since those two, maybe even bigger. Her popularity has risen to the point where she's practically omnipresent; she's shown up in not only SuperMarioGalaxy VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy and [[spoiler: SuperMarioGalaxy2]] VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2]] (as well as Mario Party: Island Tour), but she's also playable in [[spoiler: SuperMario3DWorld]], MarioKartWii, MarioKart7, the upcoming Mario Kart 8, and even in the upcoming fourth VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Seriously, '''Super Smash Bros.''' She's playable in a '''MascotFighter''' when she's only a major recurring character in the series.

Now the thing about having influence across many dimensions. It's been established with MarioAndLuigiPaperJam that the ''Paper Mario'' universe exists as a book in the ''Mario & Luigi'' universe. Does this mean that the brothers in the ''Mario & Luigi'' are not descended from the Ancient Tribe? Not so. These can be construed as merely separate dimensions with the brothers being essentially the same people in both dimensions. In the ''Mario & Luigi'' universe, they're simply not known as Heroes of Light but as Star Children instead, per VideoGame/YoshisIslandDS. These may take place in the same universe as Kamek specifically refers to the time he tried kidnapping them in MarioAndLuigiPartnersInTime. SuperMarioGalaxy and SuperMarioGalaxy2 also shows the brothers crossing huge amounts of space-time which is exactly what the Ancients did as they travelled to new places spreading word of the hero of legend.
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Now the thing about having influence across many dimensions. It's been established with MarioAndLuigiPaperJam that the ''Paper Mario'' universe exists as a book in the ''Mario & Luigi'' universe. Does this mean that the brothers in the ''Mario & Luigi'' are not descended from the Ancient Tribe? Not so. These can be construed as merely separate dimensions with the brothers being essentially the same people in both dimensions. In the ''Mario & Luigi'' universe, they're simply not known as Heroes of Light but as Star Children instead, per VideoGame/YoshisIslandDS. These may take place in the same universe as Kamek specifically refers to the time he tried kidnapping them in MarioAndLuigiPartnersInTime. SuperMarioGalaxy VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy and SuperMarioGalaxy2 VideoGame/SuperMarioGalaxy2 also shows the brothers crossing huge amounts of space-time which is exactly what the Ancients did as they travelled to new places spreading word of the hero of legend.
29th Jan '16 4:33:43 PM nombretomado
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People call him Louie G. for short. Just listen to the announcer in {{Super Smash Bros Brawl}} when you select him!
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People call him Louie G. for short. Just listen to the announcer in {{Super Smash Bros Brawl}} VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosBrawl when you select him!
28th Jan '16 6:16:46 PM nombretomado
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The Mario and Luigi in Super Mario Bros are the same as the ones in VideoGame/MarioBros as they did come to the Mushroom Kingdom and the other pipes can connect to other various Nintendo worlds (such as the Link and Samus cameos in Super Mario RPG). But Nintendo wants to downplay this idea (aside from the VideoGame/SuperSmashBros series, that is), and is trying to make the Franchise/SuperMarioBros series its own series. (And of course, the pipes can be used for 3rd party characters as well, as the VideoGame/SuperSmashBros series did demonstrate.)
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The Mario and Luigi in Super Mario Bros are the same as the ones in VideoGame/MarioBros as they did come to the Mushroom Kingdom and the other pipes can connect to other various Nintendo worlds (such as the Link and Samus cameos in Super Mario RPG). But Nintendo wants to downplay this idea (aside from the VideoGame/SuperSmashBros ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' series, that is), and is trying to make the Franchise/SuperMarioBros series its own series. (And of course, the pipes can be used for 3rd party characters as well, as the VideoGame/SuperSmashBros ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBros'' series did demonstrate.)

An alternative to the above. Add that she does have magical abilities (as evidenced by her floaty jumps in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros2'' and her attacks in ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros Melee]]''), and you get the idea that Mario and Luigi may never have seen the real Peach.
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An alternative to the above. Add that she does have magical abilities (as evidenced by her floaty jumps in ''VideoGame/SuperMarioBros2'' and her attacks in ''[[VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Super Smash Bros Melee]]''), ''VideoGame/SuperSmashBrosMelee''), and you get the idea that Mario and Luigi may never have seen the real Peach.

Now look at Rosalina. She's probably the biggest EnsembleDarkhorse since those two, maybe even bigger. Her popularity has risen to the point where she's practically omnipresent; she's shown up in not only SuperMarioGalaxy and [[spoiler: SuperMarioGalaxy2]] (as well as Mario Party: Island Tour), but she's also playable in [[spoiler: SuperMario3DWorld]], MarioKartWii, MarioKart7, the upcoming Mario Kart 8, and even in the upcoming fourth SuperSmashBros Seriously, '''Super Smash Bros.''' She's playable in a '''MascotFighter''' when she's only a major recurring character in the series.
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Now look at Rosalina. She's probably the biggest EnsembleDarkhorse since those two, maybe even bigger. Her popularity has risen to the point where she's practically omnipresent; she's shown up in not only SuperMarioGalaxy and [[spoiler: SuperMarioGalaxy2]] (as well as Mario Party: Island Tour), but she's also playable in [[spoiler: SuperMario3DWorld]], MarioKartWii, MarioKart7, the upcoming Mario Kart 8, and even in the upcoming fourth SuperSmashBros VideoGame/SuperSmashBros Seriously, '''Super Smash Bros.''' She's playable in a '''MascotFighter''' when she's only a major recurring character in the series.
27th Jan '16 4:42:57 PM nombretomado
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* Furthermore, the game ''Mario Bros.'' and the [[WesternAnimation/SuperMarioBrosSuperShow various cartoons]] involve the original Mario and Luigi, Bowser is King Koopa's youngest son, and Peach is Princess Toadstool's daughter. The strong resemblance between King Koopa's kids and Bowser's is simply a case of [[IdenticalGrandson identical nephews/niece]].
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* Furthermore, the game ''Mario Bros.'' and the [[WesternAnimation/SuperMarioBrosSuperShow [[WesternAnimation/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow various cartoons]] involve the original Mario and Luigi, Bowser is King Koopa's youngest son, and Peach is Princess Toadstool's daughter. The strong resemblance between King Koopa's Koop a's kids and Bowser's is simply a case of [[IdenticalGrandson identical nephews/niece]].

Remember how on the live-action half of ''WesternAnimation/The SuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', Mario and Luigi sometimes got visits by relatives who bore an UncannyFamilyResemblance to them? It's probably the same case with ''VideoGame/HotelMario'' - you're not playing as Mario and Luigi themselves, you're playing as [[OffModel Fat Mario]] and [[{{Mondegreen}} Gay Luigi]]. This probably also explains why it is CanonDiscontinuity (besides the fact that it sucks and is on the CD-i, of course).
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Remember how on the live-action half of ''WesternAnimation/The SuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', ''Series/TheSuperMarioBrosSuperShow'', Mario and Luigi sometimes got visits by relatives who bore an UncannyFamilyResemblance to them? It's probably the same case with ''VideoGame/HotelMario'' - you're not playing as Mario and Luigi themselves, you're playing as [[OffModel Fat Mario]] and [[{{Mondegreen}} Gay Luigi]]. This probably also explains why it is CanonDiscontinuity (besides the fact that it sucks and is on the CD-i, of course).
15th Jan '16 11:29:50 AM LucianTheLugia
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Magic aside, there's no reason Peach wouldn't be aware if there was even a chance of Bowser having a kid with her. So she knows that she's not Bowser Jr's mama - but it's not like he'll just believe her if she says so. So instead of outright denying it, she lets him go through his monologue, figures out what he thinks is the case. Then while she's captured, she talks to Junior, asking him questions about the stories his dad's told him, slowly making him start to doubt it as the contradictions pile up. She knows she's not in any real danger - Bowser's not going to hurt her, and by extension neither is Junior, and Mario's going to come eventually - and searching for her will get him to more of the Shine Sprites and help clean up the island, which he's been charged to do anyway. On top of that, because in the end Junior's realized the truth mostly on his own, he's not so angry at his dad about the deception, so she's helped keep their relationship on good terms as well (because she's just nice like that). It fits with other aspects we've seen of her character in other games, working behind the scenes to foster a good resolution despite being in a less than optimal position to help (Enclosing items in ''SuperMarioBros3'', her actions in ''PaperMario'' and ''PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''). Might be why Bowser started keeping her in a cage...
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Magic aside, there's no reason Peach wouldn't be aware if there was even a chance of Bowser having a kid with her. So she knows that she's not Bowser Jr's mama - but it's not like he'll just believe her if she says so. So instead of outright denying it, she lets him go through his monologue, figures out what he thinks is the case. Then while she's captured, she talks to Junior, asking him questions about the stories his dad's told him, slowly making him start to doubt it as the contradictions pile up. She knows she's not in any real danger - Bowser's not going to hurt her, and by extension neither is Junior, and Mario's going to come eventually - and searching for her will get him to more of the Shine Sprites and help clean up the island, which he's been charged to do anyway. On top of that, because in the end Junior's realized the truth mostly on his own, he's not so angry at his dad about the deception, so she's helped keep their relationship on good terms as well (because she's just nice like that). It fits with other aspects we've seen of her character in other games, working behind the scenes to foster a good resolution despite being in a less than optimal position to help (Enclosing items in ''SuperMarioBros3'', her actions in ''PaperMario'' and ''PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''). Might be why Bowser started keeping her in a cage...cage... [[WMG: The whole universe is an elaborate stage show put on by Mario and company for us to enjoy.]] This is implied in ''SuperMarioBros3'', but what if the entire Mario series as a whole was like this? What if Mario is a director of an entertainment series for people of all-ages, and in reality, all the denizens of the Mario world are just everypeople who just happen to vary in shape, size, and ability? Bowser is Mario's mortal enemy in most main series games, but who's to say behind the set that he's the same? Maybe the sports spinoff games are just their days off competing in their own versions of entertainment. And then there's ''SuperMarioBros2'' which was AllJustADream, but good ol' Director Mario wanted to make it a reality. He wanted a four-person adventure with him, his brother, his love, and one of her loyal subjects, and after years of trying to build on that old idea; behold, ''SuperMario3DWorld''! And here's a theory about the ever mysterious Koopalings in this universe, the Koopa kingdom was enamored with the series, leading good ol' King Bowser to hold a contest for seven lucky winners to be regulars in the ever-expanding series. The winners' names? Iggy, Morton, Roy, Larry, Wendy, Lemmy, and Ludwig. [[WMG: Shy Guys appear in [[SuperMarioBros2 Mario's dreams, because...]]]] [[SuperMarioWorld2YoshisIsland He'd met them as a baby before.]]
12th Jan '16 12:44:29 PM DrNovakaine
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Yep. Mario and Luigi are descendants of the Tribe of Ancients. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife That's my major theory done then.]]
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Yep. Mario and Luigi are descendants of the Tribe of Ancients. [[TVTropesWillRuinYourLife That's my major theory done then.]]]] [[WMG: Mario, Peach, and Bowser represent the three parts of the [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda Triforce]].]] Not saying it's at alternate universe but the same dynamic is there. Bowser is the wielder of Power, he's a king who wants to conquer and take over, to rule over others, and will go to great lengths for it. Peach represents Wisdom, the good and pure princess whom is loved and respected (and is perhaps a little more engaged in saving the world than is let on). Mario is of course Courage, the hero who steps in when danger rises and doesn't back down no matter the odds. They're often at odds because power oversteps, but Bowser's a nicer guy overall than Ganondorf so they can actually work together when the situation calls for it. It also explains why Luigi's not quite as bold or brave - he has the same abilities Mario has, even better in some ways, but isn't the bearer of Courage, so he's more affected and inhibited by fear. [[WMG: Peach's confusion at "Mama Peach" in ''SuperMarioSunshine'' is ObfuscatingStupidity.]] Magic aside, there's no reason Peach wouldn't be aware if there was even a chance of Bowser having a kid with her. So she knows that she's not Bowser Jr's mama - but it's not like he'll just believe her if she says so. So instead of outright denying it, she lets him go through his monologue, figures out what he thinks is the case. Then while she's captured, she talks to Junior, asking him questions about the stories his dad's told him, slowly making him start to doubt it as the contradictions pile up. She knows she's not in any real danger - Bowser's not going to hurt her, and by extension neither is Junior, and Mario's going to come eventually - and searching for her will get him to more of the Shine Sprites and help clean up the island, which he's been charged to do anyway. On top of that, because in the end Junior's realized the truth mostly on his own, he's not so angry at his dad about the deception, so she's helped keep their relationship on good terms as well (because she's just nice like that). It fits with other aspects we've seen of her character in other games, working behind the scenes to foster a good resolution despite being in a less than optimal position to help (Enclosing items in ''SuperMarioBros3'', her actions in ''PaperMario'' and ''PaperMarioTheThousandYearDoor''). Might be why Bowser started keeping her in a cage...
6th Jan '16 8:34:27 AM mariofan12ify
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* [[FlatWhat What]].
27th Dec '15 12:06:07 PM HotHead1987
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[[WMG: The RPG titles (Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario games, Mario & Luigi games) are the only canon titles.]] * The other games are dreams Mario has.
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