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8th Apr '17 1:49:58 AM X2X
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[[WMG: Mitsurugi is actually [[Manga/RurouniKenshin Hiko Seijuro I.]]]]

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[[WMG: Mitsurugi is actually [[Manga/RurouniKenshin Hiko Seijuro I.]]]]I]].]]



* Actually, a Hiko Seijūrō, presumably the original, already appeared in an earlier one-shot by Creator/NobuhiroWatsuki, ''Crescent Moon in the Warring States''. Although the title is handed down to succeeding masters of the style, it's not impossible for Mitsurugi to be Hiko Seijūrō II. Though the story is set during the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period Sengoku era,]] Watsuki specifically mentioned [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muromachi_period Muromachi Japan]] (13361573); Mitsurugi wouldn't be born until 1562, right before the end of this period (if one assumes that both works are concurrent), and doesn't take up the sword and the last name Mitsurugi until his parents died of illness when he was 14. That being said, Mitsurugi canonically was trained by the Murakami clan of samurai.

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* Actually, a Hiko Seijūrō, presumably the original, already appeared in an earlier one-shot by Creator/NobuhiroWatsuki, ''Crescent Moon in the Warring States''. Although the title is handed down to succeeding masters of the style, it's not impossible for Mitsurugi to be Hiko Seijūrō II.II, just difficult chronologically. Though the story is set during the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period Sengoku era,]] Watsuki specifically (allegedly) mentioned [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muromachi_period Muromachi Japan]] (13361573); (13361573) in particular; Mitsurugi wouldn't be born until 1562, right before the end of this period (if one assumes that both works are concurrent), and doesn't take up the sword and the last name Mitsurugi until his parents died of illness when he was 14. That being said, Mitsurugi canonically was trained by the Murakami clan of samurai.
8th Apr '17 1:42:20 AM X2X
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* Actually, a Hiko Seijūrō, presumably the original, already appeared in an earlier one-shot by Creator/NobuhiroWatsuki, ''Crescent Moon in the Warring States''. Since the title is handed down to succeeding masters of the style, however, that doesn't mean that Mitsurugi can't be Hiko Seijūrō II.

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* Actually, a Hiko Seijūrō, presumably the original, already appeared in an earlier one-shot by Creator/NobuhiroWatsuki, ''Crescent Moon in the Warring States''. Since Although the title is handed down to succeeding masters of the style, however, that doesn't mean that it's not impossible for Mitsurugi can't to be Hiko Seijūrō II.
II. Though the story is set during the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period Sengoku era,]] Watsuki specifically mentioned [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muromachi_period Muromachi Japan]] (13361573); Mitsurugi wouldn't be born until 1562, right before the end of this period (if one assumes that both works are concurrent), and doesn't take up the sword and the last name Mitsurugi until his parents died of illness when he was 14. That being said, Mitsurugi canonically was trained by the Murakami clan of samurai.
8th Apr '17 12:12:37 AM X2X
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* [[spoiler:Nightmare's new host is an unidentified male body using the name "Dumas", though Tira seemingly wishes to make Pyrrha into another host to do away with Nightmare.]]

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* [[spoiler:Nightmare's new host is an unidentified male body using the name "Dumas", "Dumas," though Tira seemingly wishes to make Pyrrha into another host to do away with Nightmare.]]



* in the tower of lost souls, there is a more likely Death: Zasalamel style, cloaked, and a skeleton

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* in In the tower Tower of lost souls, Lost Souls in ''IV'', there is a more likely Death: Zasalamel Zasalamel's style, cloaked, and a skeleton
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* To correct my previous assessment from the post above, Tristy most likely is not Zasalamel ''or'' Edge Master. Even if we were to ignore that, as briefly noted at the beginning of Chapter 9, [[SamusIsAGirl Tristy is a woman]] [[note]] Hideo Yoshie, the lead character designer in ''III'' and ''IV'', noted in an interview from the ''III'' era that Zasalamel could possibly [[GenderBender reincarnate as a woman]], but his backstory clearly notes that he has ResurrectiveImmortality instead of being [[TheAgeless ageless]][[/note]], Weapon Master Mode most likely exists within its own universe (much like Chronicles of the Sword)... unless you want to chalk up the differently-named regions, landmasses, and bodies of water as the mode being set in Eurasia during antiquity.



* Considering the often-mentioned motifs of "souls" ("My ''soul'' burns brighter than ever!" and "Whose ''soul'' shall be stronger?") and the whole concept of Soul Weapons (e.g. The Three Sacred Treasures, and how all the weapons just seems to suit each character's style and even personality perfectly) and such, this seems like a ''really'' plausible theory. Maybe the "money" you get from different story modes (e.g. Weapon Master) are actually some kind of soul strengthening points similar to common RPG Exps, that allows the bearer to strengthen their own fighting will and obtain better weapons through spiritual projection?
** Actually, it's possible that they are buying ACTUAL weapons, but because in battle they are so focused on attacking ,their soul covers up their weapon, and in cutscenes they are in full control mode, meaning that they won't get their soul into the mix, and the people who have the discipline, Kilik and Xianghua, to prevent this from happening are against killing people naturally, so they actively use this to prevent people from getting killed during a fight. This would explain things such as Kilik being able to pierce soul Maxi with his staff, he took off his Soul... Edge... and actively used the weapon to full power, whereas in III's fight between Siegfried and Nightmare, they both managed to pull off the blunting edge of their weapons during the final strike, but the one who hit managed to inflict the lethal injury while coming out fine; presumably Nightmare started doing it, and Siegfreid picked up and removed the soul on his own edge for the last strike. This would also be why the fire strikes are never seen outside the battlefield, because they need the soul cover in order to activate.

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* Considering the often-mentioned motifs of "souls" ("My ''soul'' burns brighter than ever!" and "Whose ''soul'' shall be stronger?") and the whole concept of Soul Weapons (e.g. The the Three Sacred Treasures, and how all the weapons just seems to suit each character's style and even personality perfectly) and such, this seems like a ''really'' plausible theory. Maybe the "money" you get from different story modes (e.g. Weapon Master) are actually some kind of soul strengthening points similar to common RPG Exps, that allows the bearer to strengthen their own fighting will and obtain better weapons through spiritual projection?
** Actually, it's possible that they are buying ACTUAL weapons, but because in battle they are so focused on attacking ,their attacking, their soul covers up their weapon, and in cutscenes they are in full control mode, meaning that they won't get their soul into the mix, and the people who have the discipline, Kilik and Xianghua, to prevent this from happening are against killing people naturally, so they actively use this to prevent people from getting killed during a fight. This would explain things such as Kilik being able to pierce soul Maxi with his staff, he took off his Soul... Edge... and actively used the weapon to full power, whereas in III's fight between Siegfried and Nightmare, they both managed to pull off the blunting edge of their weapons during the final strike, but the one who hit managed to inflict the lethal injury while coming out fine; presumably Nightmare started doing it, and Siegfreid picked up and removed the soul on his own edge for the last strike. This would also be why the fire strikes are never seen outside the battlefield, because they need the soul cover in order to activate.



*** It's an {{evil|Weapon}} {{artifact|OfDoom}} of supernatural origin first wielded by a king of an ancient dynasty that no one (barring Edge Master, Zasalamel, and Scheherazade, most likely) knows squat about. Who's to say that 1) Algol's nation wasn't scientifically advanced for its time (if Wolfkrone Monument and Fu-Ma no Sato: Mechanical Spider can have animatronic/mechanical contraptions in the late 16th/early 17th century, perhaps Algol's kingdom had access to steel before [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel#History_of_steelmaking its first known appearance in history]]) and 2) that run-of-the-mill sword turning into Soul Edge is what ''caused'' Soul Edge to take the form of a zweihänder. There are no hints as what kind of sword Soul Edge was prior to its metamorphosis, after all.

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*** It's an {{evil|Weapon}} {{artifact|OfDoom}} of supernatural origin first wielded by a king of an ancient dynasty that no one (barring Edge Master, Zasalamel, and Scheherazade, most likely) knows squat about. Who's to say that 1) Algol's nation wasn't scientifically advanced for its time (if Wolfkrone Monument and Fu-Ma no Sato: Mechanical Spider can have animatronic/mechanical contraptions in the late 16th/early 17th century, perhaps Algol's kingdom had access to steel before [[http://en.[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel#History_of_steelmaking its first known appearance in history]]) and 2) that run-of-the-mill sword turning into Soul Edge is what ''caused'' Soul Edge to take the form of a zweihänder. There are no hints as what kind of sword Soul Edge was prior to its metamorphosis, after all.



Immortality is fairly cheap in the Soul series - Algol, all the golems, Cervantes, and Zaslamel have it, and it is quite possible that others (the vampires, anyone?) do as well. It would have been easy for Yoshimitsu to acquire immortality at some point, and continue fighting against tyranny and sanity into the modern day. After all, Heaven's net is wide... but lets nothing through. Yes, it ''says'' Yoshimitsu's been stated to be both "Yoshimitsu the First" and the "First Manjitou Leader", and the sword to in a future be "handed down from generation to generation." He's just reallllly sneaky.

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Immortality is fairly cheap in the Soul series - Algol, all the golems, Cervantes, and Zaslamel have it, and it is quite possible that others (the vampires, anyone?) do as well. It would have been easy for Yoshimitsu to acquire immortality at some point, and continue fighting against tyranny and sanity into the modern day. After all, Heaven's net is wide... but lets nothing through. Yes, it ''says'' Yoshimitsu's been stated to be both "Yoshimitsu the First" and the "First Manjitou Leader", Leader," and the sword to in a future be "handed down from generation to generation." He's just reallllly sneaky.



[[WMG: Mitsurugi is actually [[Anime/RurouniKenshin Hiko Seijuro I.]]]]

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[[WMG: Mitsurugi is actually [[Anime/RurouniKenshin [[Manga/RurouniKenshin Hiko Seijuro I.]]]]




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* Actually, a Hiko Seijūrō, presumably the original, already appeared in an earlier one-shot by Creator/NobuhiroWatsuki, ''Crescent Moon in the Warring States''. Since the title is handed down to succeeding masters of the style, however, that doesn't mean that Mitsurugi can't be Hiko Seijūrō II.



In this theory, Heiachi Mishima is the descendant of one of the winners of the Soul tournament. For one reason or another, the sword infuses itself into the soul of its new host, or curses them somehow. This is why the Mishimas in general are so hard to kill. The Moonlit Wilderness stage in Tekken 5 is what remains of the Lost Cathedral. Raven is either a descendant of Zasalamel, a reincarnation of Zasalamel, or working for Zasalamel.

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In this theory, Heiachi Heihachi Mishima is the descendant of one of the winners of the Soul tournament. For one reason or another, the sword infuses itself into the soul of its new host, or curses them somehow. This is why the Mishimas in general are so hard to kill. The Moonlit Wilderness stage in Tekken 5 is what remains of the Lost Cathedral. Raven is either a descendant of Zasalamel, a reincarnation of Zasalamel, or working for Zasalamel.



* That's somewhat reaching, especially since recessive genes (or, depending on how closely linked Namco wants the two series to be, [[spoiler:the taint of Soul Edge, as seen with Xiba]]) could explain Kunimitsu's red hair despite her being Japanese. It's more likely, given the similarities between Manji Ninjutsu and the Fu-Ma Clan's ninjutsu (particularly where Kunimitsu and Taki/Natsu are concerned) and Yoshi II's familiarity with Natsu (they were raised in the same village and are possibly ChildhoodFriends), that the current day Manji Party was formed by some merger of the ''Soulcalibur''-era Manjitou and Fu-Ma ninjas or consists of the remnants of the latter (or some kind of bleeding effect when it came to the ninja arts, at the very least). They don't necessarily ''have'' to be related, though, and chances of all the above bullets being true is very slim due to contrivance.
** Tekken1's concept art features [[https://eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/File:Concept_Art_(10)_(T1).jpg a character]] who resembles both Kunimitsu and Taki, ie, the idea for Natsu could have been based on her. Taki was a neutral character who Yoshimitsu had no issues with, but Natsu appears to be drawn towards evil and greedy acts due to being possessed by the Arahabaki demon. This bears some resemblance to how Jin started off as a 'good' character but became more possessed by the Devil Gene as he went on. The reason for Natsu's red hair is given as related to this demonic possession (not unlike how in Soul Edge, possessed characters you fight in Edge Master Mode would appear green), and could plausibly explain Kuni's too. My guess is that Kunimitsu never had honest intentions upon joining the Manji clan and only did it for her own personal gain. One thing that has not been mentioned is that Tekken2's story mentions Kuni's grandfather who is an excellent swordsmith. It is known that Taki made her own swords and could have passed this tradition down to Natsu who took it through the generations until reaching Kunimitsu. Might we see Kuni's grandfather in a future Soul game? It is a mystery.

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* That's somewhat reaching, especially since recessive genes (or, depending on how closely linked Namco wants the two series to be, [[spoiler:the taint of Soul Edge, as seen with Xiba]]) could explain Kunimitsu's red hair despite her being Japanese. It's more likely, given the similarities between Manji Ninjutsu and the Fu-Ma Clan's brand of ninjutsu (particularly where Kunimitsu and Taki/Natsu are concerned) and as well as Yoshi II's familiarity with Natsu (they were raised in the same village and are possibly ChildhoodFriends), that the current day Manji Party was formed by some merger of the ''Soulcalibur''-era Manjitou and Fu-Ma ninjas or consists of the remnants of the latter (or some kind of bleeding effect when it came to the ninja arts, at the very least). They don't necessarily ''have'' to be related, though, and chances of all the above bullets being true is very slim due to contrivance.
** Tekken1's concept Concept art from Tekken 1 features [[https://eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/File:Concept_Art_(10)_(T1).jpg a character]] who resembles both Kunimitsu and Taki, ie, i.e. the idea for Natsu could have been based on her. Taki was a neutral character who Yoshimitsu had no issues with, but Natsu appears to be drawn towards evil and greedy acts due to being possessed by the Arahabaki demon. This bears some resemblance to how Jin started off as a 'good' "good" character but became more possessed by the Devil Gene as he went on. The reason for Natsu's red hair is given as related to this demonic possession (not unlike how in Soul Edge, possessed characters you fight in Edge Master Mode would appear green), and could plausibly explain Kuni's too. My guess is that Kunimitsu never had honest intentions upon joining the Manji clan and only did it for her own personal gain. One thing that has not been mentioned is that Tekken2's Tekken 2's story mentions Kuni's grandfather who is an excellent swordsmith. It is known that Taki made her own swords and could have passed this tradition down to Natsu who took it through the generations until reaching Kunimitsu. Might we see Kuni's grandfather in a future Soul game? It is a mystery.mystery.
*** 1) Though some discarded character designs have become full-fledged characters in the past (such as Azola originating from Sophitia's original alternate costume), we have no way of knowing if concept art from the original ''Tekken'' influenced the creation of Natsu so many years later. 2) Despite Arahabaki being described as "a symbol of rebellion," there's no indication Natsu is possessed by the demon; on the contrary, they appear to have some sort of [[SymbioticPossession mutual agreement]] considering Natsu can freely call upon his power for her Critical Edge. The fact that Yoshimitsu is respectful towards Natsu (he refers to her as "Lady Natsu" and [[ApologeticAttacker asks for forgiveness]] if he uses his Rainbow Drop throw on her) also contests this, as he would've otherwise labeled Natsu as an "evildoer" during his taunt like he does with Patroklos. 2) Natsu's hair''style'' is suggested to be due to Arahabaki's influence according to concept sketches, not her hair color (which is strawberry-blonde, by the way); Natsu's hair color was chosen by Project Soul to deliberately make Natsu stand out from Taki (given the rest of her design, she's thought be based on ''[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyaru gyaru]]'' fashion), but there's no in-universe explanation. 4) That's canon; Kunimitsu was dismissed from the Manji Party due to stealing out of self-interest, but she attempts to steal Yoshimitsu (the sword) so that her grandfather can forge a copy of the blade before he dies. Any connections between her grandfather, the rest of the Manji clan, and the Fu-Ma ninjas beyond this, though plausible given the similarities noted, are still conjecture. (Also, to be even more nitpicky, it would have to be ancestor of Kunimitsu--possibly the original bearer of the title if Namco wanted to add another layer to the current Yoshimitsu's relationship with Kunimitsu--who appears given the centuries-long gap between the ''Soul'' series and ''Tekken''. On the topic of Jin, while we're at it, bearing the Devil Gene was but one factor in his ProtagonistJourneyToVillain, and even then, [[FakeDefector he didn't truly/fully turn evil]], but that's irrelevant to this topic.)



*** And if it was found under Ostrheinsburg, one has to wonder whether this actually makes [[spoiler:Amy]]'s ''SCIV'' ending [[HilariousInHindsight canon.]]

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*** And if it was found under Ostrheinsburg, one has to wonder whether this actually makes [[spoiler:Amy]]'s ''SCIV'' ending [[HilariousInHindsight canon.]]canon]].



[[WMG: Taki will found the [[RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy Kuzunoha Clan]]]]

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[[WMG: Taki will found the [[RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy [[VideoGame/RaidouKuzunohaVsTheSoullessArmy Kuzunoha Clan]]]]



[[WMG: Soulcalibur V will crossover with Franchise/{{Highlander}}.]]

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[[WMG: Soulcalibur V will crossover with Franchise/{{Highlander}}.''Franchise/{{Highlander}}''.]]



Creator/NamcoBandai owns '''all''' of Banpresto and has absorbed their devs/properties now, and flight-plan's death left their stuff to Banpresto according to the article I read on it, plus both have developed fighting styles already. Given SC is a {{Fanservice}} fighter, who could resist the temptation of lesbians?

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Creator/NamcoBandai [[Creator/BandaiNamcoEntertainment Namco Bandai]] owns '''all''' of Banpresto and has absorbed their devs/properties now, and flight-plan's death left their stuff to Banpresto according to the article I read on it, plus both have developed fighting styles already. Given SC is a {{Fanservice}} fighter, who could resist the temptation of lesbians?



Siegfried is already supposed to be a {{homage}} to the legendary Myth/{{Norse|Mythology}} hero, Sigurd. Gram, the sword used by Sigured to kill the dragon Fafnir, is a recurring weapon of Siegfried ([[SpellMyNameWithAnS mistranslated]] in the games as "Glam"), and Siegfried himself gets to face Fafnir in ''Legends''. Then comes Lady von Krone in ''IV''. She gets some light ShipTease with Siegfried, and ultimately offers [[TheAtoner him]] the ''one'' thing he sought in her ending: {{forgiveness}}. [[ShoutOutThemeNaming Now look at her name]]. Her full name is Hildegard, or Hilde for short. Hilde, [[MeaningfulName as in]] Brunn'''hilde''' (or depending on the translation, Brynhildr or Brynhild) the valkyrie? Does either '''a)''' the ''Literature/VolsungaSaga'', '''b)''' ''Literature/{{Nibelungenlied}}'', or '''c)''' ''Theatre/DerRingDesNibelungen'' ring a bell? If you're not familiar with these stories, all that you really need to know is that our hero rescues the fair shieldmaiden, they fall in love, and soon after ''marry'' (well, at least in the first two). [[ShippingGoggles Make of that as you will.]]

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Siegfried is already supposed to be a {{homage}} to the legendary Myth/{{Norse|Mythology}} hero, Sigurd. Gram, the sword used by Sigured Sigurd to kill the dragon Fafnir, is a recurring weapon of Siegfried Siegfried's ([[SpellMyNameWithAnS mistranslated]] in the games as "Glam"), and Siegfried himself gets to face Fafnir in ''Legends''. Then comes Lady von Krone in ''IV''. She gets some light ShipTease with Siegfried, and ultimately offers [[TheAtoner him]] the ''one'' thing he sought in her ending: {{forgiveness}}. [[ShoutOutThemeNaming Now look at her name]]. name.]] Her full name is Hildegard, or Hilde for short. Hilde, [[MeaningfulName as in]] Brunn'''hilde''' (or depending on the translation, Brynhildr or Brynhild) the valkyrie? Does either '''a)''' the ''Literature/VolsungaSaga'', '''b)''' ''Literature/{{Nibelungenlied}}'', or '''c)''' ''Theatre/DerRingDesNibelungen'' ring a bell? If you're not familiar with these stories, all that you really need to know is that our hero rescues the fair shieldmaiden, they fall in love, and soon after ''marry'' (well, at least in the first two). [[ShippingGoggles Make of that as you will.]]



* But he lost time-lord style immortality in III, gaining real "can't be killed" in IV.

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* But he lost time-lord style Time Lord-style immortality in III, gaining real "can't be killed" in IV.



* That ''would'' explain why most of the gals [[FanservicePack have had their breasts inflate to the point where]] a D cup is ''average'' in terms of endowment when they used to be either more modest up top or at least reasonably buxom (relatively speaking). The [[HotterAndSexier increasingly]] {{Stripperiffic}} outfits are also telling.

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* That ''would'' explain why most of the gals [[FanservicePack have had their breasts inflate to the point where]] a D cup is ''average'' in terms of endowment when they used to be either more modest up top or at least reasonably buxom (relatively speaking). The [[HotterAndSexier [[FanservicePack increasingly]] {{Stripperiffic}} outfits are also telling.



** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxccVb7hXUw The latest trailer]] seems to ''heavily'' support this theory.

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** [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxccVb7hXUw The latest trailer]] seems to ''heavily'' support this theory.



** Not to mention that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMnZyQLOBA in the official reveal trailer for Ezio,]] while the Azure Knight is shown in all of his (her?) glory, ''Nightmare doesn't utter a single word'', despite all of the other characters in the trailer having had their voices heard at least once (whether it be trailers or gameplay videos). Either this is the greatest RedHerring in series' history, or the dev team is ''very'' terrible at keeping a secret.

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** Not to mention that [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNMnZyQLOBA in the official reveal trailer for Ezio,]] while the Azure Knight is shown in all of his (her?) glory, ''Nightmare doesn't utter a single word'', despite all of the other characters in the trailer having had their voices heard at least once (whether it be trailers or gameplay videos). Either this is the greatest RedHerring in series' history, or the dev team is ''very'' terrible at keeping a secret.



* Alternatively, it ''could'' be Edge Master, but that's only if '''a)''' you adhere to the theory that ''II''[='s=] Weapon Master mode is a prequel to the series and '''b)''' you believe that Tristy is Edge Master (see the above "Zasalamel is Tristy" WMG; most prominently, Tristy states at the end of Weapon Master mode that the energies of the soul swords have made him immortal, and as such, he'll spend his days chronicling the tales of the two weapons and their wielders from afar).

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* Alternatively, it ''could'' be Edge Master, but that's only if '''a)''' you adhere to the theory that ''II''[='s=] Weapon Master mode is a prequel to the series and '''b)''' you believe that Tristy is Edge Master (see the above "Zasalamel is Tristy" WMG; most prominently, Tristy states at the end of Weapon Master mode Mode that the energies of the soul swords have made him immortal, and as such, he'll spend his days chronicling the tales of the two weapons and their wielders from afar).



* While the math adds up (four years between ''SC'' and ''SCII-SCIV'', 17 years between ''SCIV'' and ''SCV''; give or take a few months and that'd be somewhere between 21-23), are we even sure that Viola herself is 23? Her profile gives her age as "24 Tri-color stars", which is just as outlandish and full of whimsy as the rest of her {{fairy tale|Motifs}}-inspired bio (which might be deliberate, seeing as ''many'' have already come to the conclusion that Viola is an older, amnesiac Amy, due to similar traits such as facial features, eye color, hair style, ElegantGothicLolita style of dress, etc.).

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* While the math adds up (four years between ''SC'' and ''SCII-SCIV'', 17 years between ''SCIV'' and ''SCV''; give or take a few months and that'd be somewhere between 21-23), are we even sure that Viola herself is 23? Her profile gives her age as "24 Tri-color stars", stars," which is just as outlandish and full of whimsy as the rest of her {{fairy tale|Motifs}}-inspired bio (which might be deliberate, seeing as ''many'' have already come to the conclusion that Viola is an older, amnesiac Amy, due to similar traits such as facial features, eye color, hair style, ElegantGothicLolita style of dress, etc.).



* Ezio is a VirtualGhost inside of the ''SC'' world; ''SCV'' happened, but Ezio is actually part of a re-enactment of that era. Even though both series take place during the time of TheRenaissance (making Ezio the ''only'' guest so far who completely fits the atmosphere of the series), Ezio is allegedly dead by 1524 at age 64-65, which means that by the time of ''Soul Edge'' (the very first game), he would have been dead for ''exactly six decades''. [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-ezio-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 According to Tago,]] Ubisoft sort of gave them a story for Ezio's inclusion, "saying he could exist in the world of ''Soulcalibur'' through the power of the [[GeneticMemory Animus]]," which is "why at the beginning of the trailer you see all those Animus type reboot sequences." This could be used as a SequelHook (maybe Desmond will learn something about Ezio through this event or maybe pick up some more combat skills due to the bleeding effect), but seeing as the presence of guests runs on RuleOfCool, it sounds unlikely.
* Ezio's presence is merely a new animus training program for Desmond
* or, alternatively, merely brought over to the soul universe by calibur/edge, to use as a new champion (possibly for both)
* his ultimate weapon will be Altair's Sword, his alt costume will be Altair's armor.

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* Ezio is a VirtualGhost inside of the ''SC'' world; ''SCV'' happened, but Ezio is actually part of a re-enactment of that era. Even though both series take place during the time of TheRenaissance UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance (making Ezio the ''only'' guest so far who completely fits the atmosphere of the series), Ezio is allegedly dead by 1524 at age 64-65, which means that by the time of ''Soul Edge'' (the very first game), he would have been dead for ''exactly six decades''. [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-ezio-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 According to Tago,]] Ubisoft sort of gave them a story for Ezio's inclusion, "saying he could exist in the world of ''Soulcalibur'' through the power of the [[GeneticMemory Animus]]," which is "why at the beginning of the trailer you see all those Animus type reboot sequences." This could be used as a SequelHook (maybe Desmond will learn something about Ezio through this event or maybe pick up some more combat skills due to the bleeding effect), but seeing as the presence of guests runs on RuleOfCool, it sounds unlikely.
* Ezio's presence is merely a new animus training program for Desmond
Desmond.
* or, Or, alternatively, merely brought over to the soul ''Soul'' universe by calibur/edge, Calibur/Edge, to use as a new champion (possibly for both)
both).
* his His ultimate weapon will be Altair's Sword, his alt alt. costume will be Altair's armor.



* (not OP) That's definitely possible. After all, it hasn't been explicitly said that Cassandra was killed during the 17-year-interim, so she's probably ok. Patroklos may have raised himself, but there's a good chance that Cass was his caretaker for at least ''some'' period of time before he struck out on his own. That's probably how he knows about the rest of his family and where he picked up his skills with the sword and shield.

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* (not OP) That's definitely possible. After all, it hasn't been explicitly said that Cassandra was killed during the 17-year-interim, 17-year interim, so she's probably ok. Patroklos may have raised himself, but there's a good chance that Cass was his caretaker for at least ''some'' period of time before he struck out on his own. That's probably how he knows about the rest of his family and where he picked up his skills with the sword and shield.



* He's Japanese (Due to being the brother of a Japanese man)

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* He's Japanese (Due (due to being the brother of a Japanese man)



** There is also that one minor technicality you guys seem to have glossed over... Despite using Kilik's model. [[SamusIsAGirl Tristy is identified as Female.]]

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** There is also that one minor technicality you guys seem to have glossed over... Despite using Kilik's model. model, [[SamusIsAGirl Tristy is identified as Female.]]
female]].



## Judging by the wispy fumes generating from his lower body, Raphael's artwork seems to indicate that he might be a ghost. He also hasn't (physically) aged since ''II'', although that could instead be chalked up to his Soul Edge-induced vampirism. Additionally, [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-20-raphael-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 Daishi notes that]] Raphael ''died'' during ''SCIV''.

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## Judging by the wispy fumes generating from his lower body, Raphael's artwork seems to indicate that he might be a ghost. He also hasn't (physically) aged since ''II'', although that could instead be chalked up to his Soul Edge-induced vampirism. Additionally, [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-20-raphael-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 Daishi Odashima notes that]] Raphael ''died'' during ''SCIV''.



## Dumas is also the surname of [[Creator/AlexandreDumas the author]] of ''Literature/TheThreeMusketeers''; Raphael's primary attire is reminiscent of this, and his fencing skills adds to the overall comparison. In the same vein, Nightmare's 2P attire (which seems to be modeled after his 2P outfit in ''II'') features a mask which obscures his facial features (thus maintaining the enigma of his true identity). Thus, he's the ManInTheIronMask, which was featured in the final installment of the ''d'Artagnan Romances'' (which started with--you guessed it--''The Three Musketeers''). Also, in ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' (also by Creator/AlexandreDumas), Dantes is [[RunningGag jokingly referred to]] as Lord Ruthven, the name of a classical fictional vampire.

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## Dumas is also the surname of [[Creator/AlexandreDumas the author]] of ''Literature/TheThreeMusketeers''; Raphael's primary attire is reminiscent of this, and his fencing skills adds to the overall comparison. In the same vein, Nightmare's 2P attire (which seems to be modeled after his 2P outfit in ''II'') features a mask which that obscures his facial features (thus maintaining the enigma of his true identity). Thus, he's the ManInTheIronMask, which who was featured in the final installment of the ''d'Artagnan Romances'' (which started with--you guessed it--''The Three Musketeers''). Also, in ''Literature/TheCountOfMonteCristo'' (also by Creator/AlexandreDumas), Dantes Edmond Dantès is [[RunningGag jokingly referred to]] as Lord Ruthven, the name of a classical fictional vampire.



## The name of Dumas' castle in Hungary is Denevér Castle. The word [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/denev%C3%A9r "denevér"]] is Hungarian for bat, which has been a motif prominently featured on Raphael's attire since ''III''.

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## The name of Dumas' castle in Hungary is Denevér Castle. The word [[http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/denev%C3%A9r "denevér"]] "denevér" is Hungarian for bat, which has been a motif prominently featured on Raphael's attire since ''III''.



* [[spoiler:Confirmed! Setsuka did indeed teach Patroklos. Though the excact time frame is still unknown.]]

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* [[spoiler:Confirmed! Setsuka did indeed teach Patroklos. Though the excact exact time frame is still unknown.]]



* This is most likely not the case. [[spoiler:He was merely wounded and infected by Soul Edge after losing to Nightmare in ''II''. Additionally, [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-20-raphael-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 Daishi revealed that]] Raphael actually died during the events of ''IV'', not ''II'', so unless Raph came BackForTheDead, the entire prospect seems unlikely.]]

[[WMG:[[spoiler: Soul Calibur will be the BigBad for SCVI]]]]].

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* This is most likely not the case. [[spoiler:He was merely wounded and infected by Soul Edge after losing to Nightmare in ''II''. Additionally, [[http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-20-raphael-confirmed-for-soulcalibur-5 Daishi Odashima revealed that]] Raphael actually died during the events of ''IV'', not ''II'', so unless Raph came BackForTheDead, the entire prospect seems unlikely.]]

[[WMG:[[spoiler: Soul Calibur will be the BigBad for SCVI]]]]].SCVI.]]]]



At the end of the story, [[spoiler:Pat and Pyr use Soul Edge to stab Soul Calibur, which appears to seal both swords back in Astral Chaos. This is an inversion of ''Soulcalibur III'', where Siegfried used Soul Calibur to stab Soul Edge (which caused both swords to fall silent in what was known as the Soul Embrace). If Night Terror is any indication, aside of the few Soul Edge shards still in the possession of some of the other characters (such as the shard in Maxi's body and possibly the ones Taki fused with her Mekki-Maru), Soul Edge can't become whole without Soul Calibur, as she was created from several purified fragments of him. Being imprisoned together could give Soul Edge the chance to reabsorb his other half back into his being. Couple this with the fact that Soul Calibur has shown the capacity to be just as wicked as her brother and Daishi wanting to instead give the name ''Soul Edge 2'' to ''SCV'', and we've got a possible SequelHook on our hands.]]

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At the end of the story, [[spoiler:Pat and Pyr use Soul Edge to stab Soul Calibur, which appears to seal both swords back in Astral Chaos. This is an inversion of ''Soulcalibur III'', where Siegfried used Soul Calibur to stab Soul Edge (which caused both swords to fall silent in what was known as the Soul Embrace). If Night Terror is any indication, aside of the few Soul Edge shards still in the possession of some of the other characters (such as the shard in Maxi's body and possibly the ones Taki fused with her Mekki-Maru), Soul Edge can't become whole without Soul Calibur, as she was created from several purified fragments of him. Being imprisoned together could give Soul Edge the chance to reabsorb his other half back into his being. Couple this with the fact that Soul Calibur has shown the capacity to be just as wicked as her brother and Daishi Odashima wanting to instead give the name ''Soul Edge 2'' to ''SCV'', and we've got a possible SequelHook on our hands.]]



They were given 'physical' form as a side effect of Algol's attempt to corrupt the natural world with Astral Chaos' essence.

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They were given 'physical' "physical" form as a side effect of Algol's attempt to corrupt the natural world with Astral Chaos' essence.



* [[spoiler:But she still has her deformed Nightmare arm, which means her malfestation hasn't been cured in spite of Soul Edge being sealed. So she could just wait for the right moment to give Pyrrha another reason to go berserk...

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* [[spoiler:But she still has her deformed Nightmare arm, which means her malfestation hasn't been cured in spite of Soul Edge being sealed. So she could just wait for the right moment to give Pyrrha another reason to go berserk...
berserk...]]



[[WMG: Astral Chaos is the WebWay and the Warp of ''Warhammer 40K.'']]

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[[WMG: Astral Chaos is the WebWay Webway and the Warp of ''Warhammer 40K.'']]''[[TabletopGame/Warhammer40000 Warhammer 40K]]''.]]



[[WMG:Soul Edge is Gut's Dragon Slayer (bezerk)]]
Soul Edge's info says,"at first Soul Edge was just an ordinary sword, but after being bathed in blood and hatred countless times, the sword turned into a demonic weapon and gained a wicked soul."This description fits Gut's personality since he has killed many humans and demons with his sword so,one day inferno forms inside dragonslayer and later takes over Guts.This can also explain why nightmares' right arm is different and also explains how the hosts feel no pain.

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[[WMG:Soul Edge is Gut's Dragon Slayer (bezerk)]]
[[Manga/{{Berserk}} Guts' Dragonslayer]]]]
Soul Edge's info says,"at says "at first Soul Edge was just an ordinary sword, but after being bathed in blood and hatred countless times, the sword turned into a demonic weapon and gained a wicked soul."This " This description fits Gut's Guts' personality since he has killed many humans and demons with his sword so,one sword, so one day inferno Inferno forms inside dragonslayer Dragonslayer and later takes over Guts.Guts. This can also explain why nightmares' Nightmare's right arm is different and also explains how the hosts feel no pain.



The prologue to ''Lost Swords'' basically says that the stage is set at the end of the 16th century (where SE through IV takes place), and that the shards of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge were scattered across time, bringing the fighters together across time and space (which explains why Patroklos, Pyrrha, and Leixia were together with the old cast). While the gameplay itself was obviously non-canon, that tidbit at the beginning hasn't been confirmed not to be. Given that Project Soul has changed leads since ''V'', and that the old cast has been the ones being promoted over the new (the only exception being ''Project X Zone 2'', where Natsu is featured. However, that game had no involvement from Project Soul), it would seem like the old characters are set to return. Especially when you consider the Facebook Popularity Poll, where all the originals outranked their replacements.

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The prologue to ''Lost Swords'' basically says that the stage is set at the end of the 16th century (where SE through IV takes place), and that the shards of Soul Calibur and Soul Edge were scattered across time, bringing the fighters together across time and space (which explains why Patroklos, Pyrrha, and Leixia were together with the old cast). While the gameplay itself was obviously non-canon, that tidbit at the beginning hasn't been confirmed not to be. Given that Project Soul has changed leads since ''V'', and that the old cast has been the ones being promoted over the new (the only exception being ''Project X Zone ''VideoGame/ProjectXZone 2'', where Natsu is featured. However, that game had no involvement from Project Soul), it would seem like the old characters are set to return. Especially when you consider the Facebook Popularity Poll, where all the originals outranked their replacements.



** Alternatively, the game will open with a massive TakeThatScrappy, where one of the game's antagonist brutally kills him. The camera will pan to the killer's face and he'll say "[[LeaningOnTheFourthWall You're welcome]],'' with the next shot revealing he was talking to the BigBad, who ordered his death.

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** * Alternatively, the game will open with a massive TakeThatScrappy, where one of the game's antagonist antagonists brutally kills him. The camera will pan to the killer's face and he'll say "[[LeaningOnTheFourthWall You're welcome]],'' welcome]]," with the next shot revealing he was talking to the BigBad, who ordered his death.death.

[[WMG:''Lost Swords'' [[CutShort was intended as]] a StealthSequel to ''IV'' that would've allowed ''Soulcalibur VI'' to serve as an AlternateContinuity[=/=]ContinuityReboot to ''V''.]]
The game's opening suggests that ''Lost Swords'', though a non-canon spin-off, takes place after ''IV'', as stills from the Siegfried vs. Nightmare battle at the beginning of ''V'' are shown. Instead of Soul Edge breaking into numerous shards ([[HistoryRepeats again]]) and Soul Calibur going dormant ([[HistoryRepeats again]]), both swords shatter, with the Soul Edge shards retreating to other worlds and times through Astral Chaos, and the Soul Calibur shards taking chase. Yet, despite the game's quests establishing that the player character is TrappedInAnotherWorld and trying to get back to their own through various arcane methods linked to Astral Chaos and the soul swords (suggesting they might be from the "main," canonical timeline), Fygul Cestemus (the cult responsible for creating Astaroth) exists as antagonists in the ''Lost Swords'' world and several late-game quests focus on the Malfested outbreak, not unlike Patroklos' story in ''V''. Kunpaetku, the high priest of Fygul Cestemus, is even directly name-dropped in Chapter 4 of the "Giuseppe of Jupiter" quest. The "Treasure in the Rift" quest also mentions a "Rift of Riches" that exists in the same general Mediterranean location as Vercci's Money Pit, belonging to the similar-sounding Berchi.

At the same time, Project Soul, prior to the release of ''Lost Swords'', [[{{Retcon}} ended up changing around a lot of the series' lore]] ([[http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/731136-soulcalibur-lost-swords/68294889 you can read all about it here]]), particularly where ''SCV'' was concerned. It seems that, with the lukewarm reception the ([[WhatCouldHaveBeen unfortunately rushed]]) [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot "story"]] received, Project Soul is trying to sweep things under the rug [[CanonDiscontinuity and pretend the last game (or at least choice parts of it) didn't happen]]. (That doesn't explain why some revisions went as far back as the first game, though.)

It could be that, with the player character [[note]]who is probably not meant to be any of the pre-existing ''Soul'' series characters you can play as in-game[[/note]] attempting to return home, they eventually set off some kind of ''ComicBook/{{Flashpoint}}''-esque space-time fluctuation that completely nullifies the events of ''V'' while allowing the story to pick up back from ''IV''[='s=] ending without dropping the new faces or select plot elements introduced in ''V''. It's not a likely bet, I know, but this is the only way I could possibly think of some justification for ''[[AllegedlyFreeGame Lost Swords]]''[='s=] existence as a whole and the (mostly unnecessary) retconning Project Soul did.

[[WMG:''Soulcalibur V'' will be treated as an AlternateContinuity by ''SCVI'', which will be touted as the "true" continuation of ''SCIV''.]]
As noted numerous times on this site and elsewhere, though the bare bones narrative of ''SCV'' [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot had a botched, if not utterly horrendous execution]], that doesn't mean it's unsalvageable. Given the predominantly negative reaction to the cast reshuffling and [[FlatCharacter the complete shallowness]] of 90% of the replacements ([[CreatorBacklash even from the current Project Soul]]), the best bet for a new entry is to continue off from ''IV'' in a different direction while adapting elements of ''V'' in a BroadStrokes manner (similar, funnily enough, to how current ''Franchise/StarWars'' canon treats ''[[Franchise/StarWarsLegends Legends]]'', the former Expanded Universe), keeping the old guard while introducing their future successors and developing them alongside their parents/mentors in a way that doesn't ungracefully phase out the series stalwarts just for the sake of having a new generation. ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'' did this with its third installment, TimeSkip and all, and even managed to bring formerly [[PutOnABus bussed]] characters back into the fold as time went on, so it's not an impossible endeavor. The fact that this is even an idea to take into consideration is the worst part, but it's not impossible for Project Soul to do damage control.
29th Mar '17 5:39:52 AM onionmaster
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** Tekken1's concept art features [[https://eng.tekkenpedia.com/wiki/File:Concept_Art_(10)_(T1).jpg a character]] who resembles both Kunimitsu and Taki, ie, the idea for Natsu could have been based on her. Taki was a neutral character who Yoshimitsu had no issues with, but Natsu appears to be drawn towards evil and greedy acts due to being possessed by the Arahabaki demon. This bears some resemblance to how Jin started off as a 'good' character but became more possessed by the Devil Gene as he went on. The reason for Natsu's red hair is given as related to this demonic possession (not unlike how in Soul Edge, possessed characters you fight in Edge Master Mode would appear green), and could plausibly explain Kuni's too. My guess is that Kunimitsu never had honest intentions upon joining the Manji clan and only did it for her own personal gain. One thing that has not been mentioned is that Tekken2's story mentions Kuni's grandfather who is an excellent swordsmith. It is known that Taki made her own swords and could have passed this tradition down to Natsu who took it through the generations until reaching Kunimitsu. Might we see Kuni's grandfather in a future Soul game? It is a mystery.
7th Feb '17 8:47:47 AM Animeking1108
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I don't see Patroklos making it in the next game, given how much of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] he's become. His inclusion in ''Lost Swords'' received universally negative reception, he placed at the bottom of the poll only ranking at #37 out of 45 characters (getting a measly 32 votes), and the fact that Namco themselves made fun of him on Facebook. All of this says that ''V''[='=]s "hero" has failed to make a positive impression on the audience, and the character is being subject to CreatorBacklash. It's likely that Pyrrha will stay, being that she's an Alexandra girl and has received somewhat better reception, but Patroklos will get written out of the games in some manner in order to make room for the old characters.

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I don't see Patroklos making it in the next game, given how much of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] he's become. His inclusion in ''Lost Swords'' received universally negative reception, he placed at the bottom of the poll only ranking at #37 out of 45 characters (getting a measly 32 votes), and the fact that Namco themselves made fun of him on Facebook. All of this says that ''V''[='=]s "hero" has failed to make a positive impression on the audience, and the character is being subject to CreatorBacklash. It's likely that Pyrrha will stay, being that she's an Alexandra girl and has received somewhat better reception, but Patroklos will get written out of the games in some manner in order to make room for the old characters.characters.
** Alternatively, the game will open with a massive TakeThatScrappy, where one of the game's antagonist brutally kills him. The camera will pan to the killer's face and he'll say "[[LeaningOnTheFourthWall You're welcome]],'' with the next shot revealing he was talking to the BigBad, who ordered his death.
27th Nov '16 10:33:57 PM ManlyMan
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*Hilde already has two kids, I believe a daughter and son, and she's not stated to be married. While there is no official mention of a father, Hilde ''has'' spent the last seventeen years as a part of Siegfried's motley crew, the Schwarzwind. It's far from unlikely that they grew tired of feeling alone for a time. This could translate into those kids being to Soul Calibur what Ivy and Pyrrha are to Soul Edge.
6th Nov '16 1:48:25 PM wootzits
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*** None of them comes back. I suppose it's because they're more IP of their creators than Namco's (and Angol Fear was transplanted into ''Manga/KeroroGunsou'' later).

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*** None of them comes back. I suppose it's because they're more IP of their creators than Namco's (and Angol Fear was transplanted into ''Manga/KeroroGunsou'' ''Manga/SgtFrog'' later).
7th Jul '16 6:04:46 AM Morgenthaler
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[[WMG:Siegfried will act as Patroklos' [[TheObiWan mentor figure]] in ''V''.]]

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[[WMG:Siegfried will act as Patroklos' [[TheObiWan [[TheMentor mentor figure]] in ''V''.]]
25th May '16 5:18:31 PM nombretomado
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** The new bonus characters would be: Link for Wii and an ancestor of Desmond Miles of Assassin's Creed for 360 and PS3

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** The new bonus characters would be: Link for Wii and an ancestor of Desmond Miles of Assassin's Creed for 360 and PS3[=PS3=]



I don't see Patroklos making it in the next game, given how much of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] he's become. His inclusion in ''Lost Swords'' received universally negative reception, he placed at the bottom of the poll only ranking at #37 out of 45 characters (getting a measly 32 votes), and the fact that Namco themselves made fun of him on Facebook. All of this says that ''V''[='=]s "hero" has failed to make a positive impression on the audience, and the character is being subject to CreatorBacklash. It's likely that Pyrrha will stay, being that she's an Alexandra girl and has received somewhat better reception, but Patroklos will get written out of the games in some manner in order to make room for the old characters.

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I don't see Patroklos making it in the next game, given how much of a [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] he's become. His inclusion in ''Lost Swords'' received universally negative reception, he placed at the bottom of the poll only ranking at #37 out of 45 characters (getting a measly 32 votes), and the fact that Namco themselves made fun of him on Facebook. All of this says that ''V''[='=]s "hero" has failed to make a positive impression on the audience, and the character is being subject to CreatorBacklash. It's likely that Pyrrha will stay, being that she's an Alexandra girl and has received somewhat better reception, but Patroklos will get written out of the games in some manner in order to make room for the old characters.
1st Jan '16 6:23:31 PM MrUnderhill
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* [[VideoGame/DarkSoulsI The Chosen Undead]], because linking this series with that other "Souls" series would just be too good to pass up.
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