History WMG / RedDeadRedemption2

Someone once told me that Sinclair's method of time travel is a reference to a Sci-Fi show (and if anyone knows the name, help me out since I forget it) where you need to see an image of where you want to travel, hence why Sinclair needs the rock carvings. One of those carvings depicts Sinclair walking through a portal alongside the Great Sphinx, a viking longship and a meteor, so presumably he's been to all these places. Thus, it's probably not a coincidence that we have meteor POIs and two viking POIs (the runestone on the beach and the viking tomb), especially since the viking ruins you find are, on their own, REALLY out of place (it's true that IRL Vikings DID find North America, but that was Northeastern Canada, not the MUCH more distant US Southwest).

Basically, I think that when Sinclair came through a portal into 1899, he didn't come alone and his "friends" were scattered across time but not space (hence why the viking ruins are so old). Other than the meteors and vikings, it's just conjecture if any of the other POI's are a result of Sinclair's time hopping, but possibilities off the top of my head:

* The strange statues (the harpy indicates Greek influence. Egypt, the third place on the aforementioned carving, was within the Greek cultural zone after Alexander the Great's conquest)
* The frozen conquistador on the mountaintop (admittedly a bit more believable that he got there without Sinclair's "help" than some of the others, but still a bit out of time and place)
* The wrecked pirate ship (Caribbean Pirates are far from home, too, so Sinclair could be the [[WatsonianversusDoylist Watsonian]] explanation. (Personally, though, I lean more towards the Doylist explanation, that a dev was upset they were cutting so much out of Guarma after it was already done and just threw some of the assets into the main map so they wouldn't go to waste, logic be damned)).

[[WMG: We see John's daughter's death.

Someone once told me that Sinclair's method of time travel is a reference to a Sci-Fi show (and if anyone knows the name, help me out since I forget it) where you need to see an image of where you want to travel, hence why Sinclair needs the rock carvings. One of those rock carvings depicts Sinclair walking through a time portal alongside the Great Sphinx, a viking longship and a meteor, meaning he's presumably been to all these places. It can't be a coincidence that we have meteor POI's and TWO Viking POI's (the runestone on the beach and the Viking tomb). The meteor could be a coincidence, but vikings are geographically FAR out of place (it is true that IRL Vikings DID find North America, but that was Northeastern Canada, not the US Southwest).

Basically, I think that when Sinclair came through a portal into 1899, he didn't come alone and his "friends" were scattered across different times (hence why the viking ruins are so old). Other than the meteors and vikings, other POI's being a result of Sinclair's time hopping is just conjecture, but off the top of my head:
* The whale bones found nowhere near the water
* The strange statues (they have a Greek style about them, especially since they have a harpy. Egypt, the third place on the aforementioned carving, was within the Greek cultural zone after Alexander the Great's conquest)
* The crashed pirate ship (Caribbean Pirates are a bit far from home, too, so Sinclair could be the [[WatsonianversusDoylist Watsonian]] explanation. (Personally, though, I lean more towards the Doylist explanation, that a dev was upset they were cutting so much out of Guarma after it was already done and just threw some of the assets into the main map so they wouldn't go to waste)).

! There is another fictional state in the Red Dead universe that doesn't appear in the game, the State of Lannahechee

! Gavin is a dog

! The game will be a prequel

! Red Dead Revolver characters

! John Marston will be playable in the Epilogue

! The game is a {{Prequel}} but it is also an {{Interquel}}

! Arthur Morgan will be...

! We see John's daughter's death.

! Morgan will be the one to leave Marston behind.

! The line from the first trailer is spoken by Arthur to John Marston

! Arthur Morgan is Landon Ricketts

! The game will explain John's arrival in the intro of the previous game

! The game will show us how John Marston got his facial scars

[[WMG: The PlayableEpilogue will takes place in 1914 [[spoiler: again]]]]

! This game will establish Edgar Ross was driven by revenge

! Morgan's beard will grow over time in regular gameplay

! Peyote plants return from GTA V

! John helps Arthur to fake the latter's death

! Arthur outlives John, and trains Jack

! Arthur will have to kill Micah Bell

! We will see the birth of John's daughter

! The "plot" of Red Dead Online

! DLC will focus on Charles and Sadie

! If there is a Red Dead Redemption 3...

!The sister we meet in the game is the Mother Superior we meet in Mexico in the first game.

! John suffered brain damage sometime before the events of the original

! Arthur is an ancestor of Nathan Drake of Uncharted fame and the two series take place in the same universe.

! [[spoiler: Agent Milton was lying about Micah being a rat, it really was Molly all along]]

! Alternatively to the above [[spoiler: There was no rat.]]

! Mexico and Landon Ricketts return in a story DLC

! There will be a secret update or free DLC that adds a new ending to the game

!Saint-Denis will be renamed [[{{VideoGame/MafiaIII}} New Bordeaux]] at some point in the near future

! If the first game is ever remastered, it will have some sort of alternate ending

!Both plots of RDR2 and RDR were instigated by a deal Dutch struck with the Strange Man in the past

!The cut love interest was [[spoiler: his baby mama, Eliza.]]

! Whenever R* decides to come back to the series, you will play as Mac Callander in the third game

! The villain in the third game will have a 5 letter first name and a 4 letter last name and will be killed in the epilogue

! The third game will feature Jack Marston as an outlaw during the prohibition era.

! If there's a RDR1 remaster on ''II'''s engine...

!Red Dead Redemption 2 is not set in the same universe as Red Dead Redemption 1

!John's comments about the gang in the first game were a JediTruth

! Randall Forrester (the SerialKiller of the first game) is the last surviving member of the Murfree Brood

! The main story of the game was recorded for posterity by Mary-Beth

! Red Dead Online is a dime novel set within the world of the game

! Bill participated in the Wounded Knee Massacre

! Hosea or another member of the gang [[spoiler: gave Arthur TB.]]

! Micah is [[spoiler:suffering from tuberculosis in the epilogue]]

! Arthur is on the autism spectrum, and might be a savant.

! John got attacked by wolves on the mountain because he was attempting to leave the playable area.

! Dutch killed Micah's father and Micah plotted from the start to weaken and destroy the gang in revenge.

! Micah betrayed the Gang after they arrived at Beaver Hallow

! In a future movie/television adaptation, Micah will not be the mole

! The Lemoyne Raider who committed suicide at Shady Belle haunted Dutch

! The book "Red Dead Redemption" was written by Mary-Beth under the pen name "J. Marston"

Due to it being an [[CaptainObviousReveal obvious]] and [[ItWasHisSled well-known]] twist and rather poorly written.

Either there will be no mole in the gang or another member ratted them out, possibly:

* Sadie. Perhaps she'll be a CompositeCharacter with Micah, retaining her sympathetic backstory while gaining some of his more unsavoury traits.
* Mary-Beth. Her train job quickly went sideways, and is mentioned as deceptive in her character bio.
* John or Abigail, to protect Jack or save John from hanging.
* Pearson, due to his Navy background and mistreatment by the gang.
* Swanson, perhaps for moral reasons after being disgusted by the gang's brutality.

* Sadie. Perhaps she'll be a CompositeCharacter with Micah, retaining her sympathetic backstory.

* Sadie. Perhaps she'll be a CompositeCharacter with Micah.
* Mary-Beth.

* Pearson.
* Trelawny.
* Swanson, for moral reasons.

* The way nigel describes him seems odd to describe a person. Maybe Gavin is a dog?

For John 'Dutch's gang' is Dutch, Bill, Javier, and Micha. The ones who sided with Dutch at the very end at Beaver Hollow, the ones who remained loyal to Dutch even though Dutch's true colors were made clear. And he considers Dutch leaving him for dead/capture during the train heist to be the final betrayal.

It's set in the same alternative universe as Undead Nightmare instead. The first game's one and only possibly supernatural element is the Strange Man. The second game, meanwhile, has full-on ghosts and UFOs. This would explain some discrepancies between ''1'' and ''2'', like how John has a daughter that Javier knows about in the first game but never has one in the prequel. It's possible that the undead DLC for RDR 2 will be canon to the game and not just a What-if scenario like the one fr RDR1.

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Whenever people complain about how quickly he started showing symptoms of the disease, they seem to ignore the fact that there's nothing "usual" about Arthur Morgan; his lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man (only about 5 to 10% of people with latent TB will develop active TB, and about half of those will do so within the first two years of infection). His life has been extremely stressful and 1899 is a particularly difficult year for the gang; high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduces your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks a lot and smokes like a chimney -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma (both resulting in varying levels of physical trauma, yet another risk factor), after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at, particularly if you have doubts about the timeframe of Arthur's TB: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] Also, who's to say that whatever was wrong with Hosea's respiratory system was contagious? And even if it was, it's doubtful only Arthur would be unlucky enough to catch it and die from it within just a few months.]]

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Whenever people complain about how quickly he started showing symptoms of the disease, they seem to ignore the fact that there's nothing "usual" about Arthur Morgan; his lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man (only about 5 to 10% of people with latent TB will develop active TB, and about half of those will do so within the first two years of infection). His life has been extremely stressful and 1899 is a particularly difficult year for the gang; high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduces your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks a lot and smokes like a chimney -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma (both resulting in varying levels of physical trauma, yet another risk factor), after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at, particularly if you have doubts about the timeframe of Arthur's TB: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] Also, who's to say that whatever was wrong with Hosea's respiratory system was contagious? And even if it was, it's doubtful only Arthur would be unlucky enough to catch it and show symptoms. ]]

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Whenever people complain about how quickly he started showing symptoms of the disease, they seem to ignore the fact that there's nothing "usual" about Arthur Morgan; his lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man. His life has been extremely stressful and 1899 is a particularly difficult year for the gang; high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduces your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks a lot and smokes like a chimney -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma (both resulting in varying levels of physical trauma, yet another risk factor), after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at, particularly if you have doubts about the timeframe of Arthur's TB: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] Also, who's to say that whatever was wrong with Hosea's respiratory system was contagious? If it was, I doubt only Arthur would be unlucky enough to catch it and show symptoms. ]]

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Whenever people complain about how quickly he started showing symptoms of the disease, they seem to ignore the fact that there's nothing "usual" about Arthur Morgan; his lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man. His life has been extremely stressful and 1899 is a particularly difficult year for the gang; high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduces your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks a lot and smokes like a chimney -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma (both resulting in varying levels of physical trauma, yet another risk factor), after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at, particularly if you have doubts about the timeframe of Arthur's TB: [https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4] Also, who's to say that whatever was wrong with Hosea's respiratory system was contagious? If it was, I doubt only Arthur would be unlucky enough to catch it and show symptoms. ]]

[[spoiler: A common criticism of RDR2 is that Arthur displays symptoms of TB way too quickly after allegedly being exposed to it by Downes, as the disease usually takes years before someone shows signs.Yet, As early as chapter 1, Hosea is shown to be coughing up a lung, and a few members of the game hint that he’s dying. While there are a number of diseases he could have had, it seems plausible that at some point he (or at least someone else) accidentally gave it to him before the events of the game.]]
* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Arthur's lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man. His life has been extremely stressful, and high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduce your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks and smokes a lot -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma (both resulting in physical trauma, yet another risk factor), after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at, particularly if you have doubts about the timeframe of Arthur's TB: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] ]]

* [[spoiler:That "thin and haggard" look is probably just age combined with a life on the run.]]

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Arthur's lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man. His life has been extremely stressful, and high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduce your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks and smokes a lot -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma, after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth and is definitely worth taking a look at: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] ]]

* Gonna go ahead and say jossed. [[spoiler:Arthur's lifestyle meant there was a much higher chance of his TB activating, even so soon after he got it, as versus the average man. His life has been extremely stressful, and high levels of stress make it more likely for latent TB to progress into the active disease and reduce your chances of recovery. Even if the player doesn't make him, Arthur canonically drinks and smokes a lot -- another two risk factors. Then there's the fact he was tortured by the O'Driscolls and relatively shortly thereafter washed up on the shore of Guarma, after which he collapsed in Saint Denis and got his diagnosis. Game Theory made a video about tuberculosis, both Arthur's experience with it and the disease in real life, that goes more in depth: [[https://youtu.be/dhF0sYqpFJ4]] ]]