History WMG / RaiseYourVoiceAgainstLiars

[[spoiler: Since Gabriel had turned to terrorism in order to heal her, it’s natural to believe that she would appear as the Treasure of the Palace, both in and out of the Metaverse. This will serve as an issue to the Thieves, as Emilie is on life support, so they are going to think of something to get her safely or if they don’t realize it before the heist, act quickly as soon as possible after they pull off the heist to get Emilie to a hospital before she dies.]]

Out of everyone, Akira is the one who mistreated Adrien/Chat Noir the most, managing to break apart his trust in Ladybug and pushing him out of the team. [[spoiler: And now that this has resulted in Adrien nearly getting killed by Shadow Gabriel and him calling them all out for their complete lack of regard towards his safety, Akira is going to have to reflect on his actions. And when he does, he’s going to realize that he had gotten so caught up in the idea of him being a better person then Adrien because of how they treated the situation of Lila bullying Marinette, he has been holding it against Adrien and antagonizing him because of it, ultimately becoming a bully himself. Of course, this is going to horrify Akira, and this, along with the fact that Adrien nearly died because of it, he’s starts trying to be more empathetic towards others, not letting his status get to his head and thinking of all possibilities, leading to the plan with Sae and Goro, him bonding with Goro despite them being enemies and his refusing Yaldabaoth‘s offer.]]

[[spoiler: Since Gabriel had turned to terrorism in order to heal her, it’s natural to believe that she would appear as the Treasure of the Palace, both in and out of the Metaverse. This will serve as an issue to the Thieves, as Emilie is on life support, so they are going to think of something to get her safely or if they don’t realize it before the heist, act quickly as soon as possible after thet pull off the heist to get Emilie to a hospital before she dies.]]

[[spoiler: Since Gabriel had turned to terrorism in order to heal her, it’s natural to believe that she would appear as the Treasure of the Palace, both in and out of the Metaverse. This will serve as an issue to the Thieves, as Emilie is on life support, so they are going to think of something to get her safely or if they don’t realize it, act quickly as soon as they pull off the heist to get Emilie to a hospital before she dies.]]

Out of everyone, Akira is the one who mistreated Adrien/Chat Noir the most, managing to break apart his trust in Ladybug and pushing him out of the team. [[spoiler: And now that this has resulted in Adrien nearly getting killed by Shadow Gabriel and him calling them all out for their complete lack of regard towards his safety, Akira is going to have to reflect on his actions. And when he does, he’s going to realize that he had gotten so caught up in the idea of him being a better person then Adrien because of how they treated the situation of Lila bullying Marinette, he has been holding it against Adrien and antagonizing him because of it, ultimately becoming a bully himself. Of course, this is going to horrify Akira, and this, along with the fact that Adrien nearly died because of it, he’s starts trying to be more empathetic towards others, not letting his status get to his head and thinking of all possibilities, leading to the plan with Sae and Goro, him bonding with Goro despite them being enemies and his refusing Yaldabaoth‘s offer.]]

Out of everyone, Akira is the one who mistreated Adrien/Chat Noir the most, managing to break apart his trust in Ladybug and pushing him out of the team. [[spoiler: And now that this has resulted in Adrien nearly getting killed by Shadow Gabriel and him calling them all out for their complete lack of regard towards his safety, Akira is going to have to reflect on his actions. And when he does, he’s going to realize that he had gotten so caught up in the idea of him being a better person then Adrien because of how they treated the situation of Lila bullying Marinette, he has been holding it against Adrien and antagonizing him because of it, ultimately becoming a bully himself. Of course, this is going to horrify Akira, and this, along with the fact that Adrien nearly died because of it, he’s starts trying to be more empathetic towards others, not letting his status get to his head and thinking of all possibilities, leading to the plan with Sae and Goro and his refusing Yaldabaoth‘s offer.]]

Out of everyone, Akira is the one who mistreated Adrien/Chat Noir the most, managing to break apart his trust in Ladybug and pushing him out of the team. [[spoiler: And now that this has resulted in Adrien nearly getting killed by Shadow Gabriel and him calling them all out for their complete lack of regard towards his safety, Akira is going to have to reflect on his actions. And when he does, he’s going to realize that he had gotten so caught up in the idea of him being a better person then Adrien because of how they treated the situation of Lila bullying Marinette, he has been holding it against Adrien and antagonizing him because of it, ultimately becoming a bully himself. Of course, this is going to horrify Akira, and this, along with the fact that Adrien nearly died because of it, he’s starts trying to be more empathetic towards others and thinking of all possibilities, leading to the plan with Sae and Goro and his refusing Yaldabaoth‘s offer.]]

Out of everyone, Akira is the one who mistreated Adrien/Chat Noir the most, managing to break apart his trust in Ladybug and pushing him out of the team. [[spoiler: And now that this has resulted in Adrien nearly getting killed by Shadow Gabriel and him calling them all out for their complete lack of regard towards his safety, Akira is going to have to reflect on his actions. And when he does, he’s going to realize that he had gotten so caught up in the idea of him being a better person then Adrien because of how they treated the situation of Lila bullying Marinette, he has been holding it against Adrien and antagonizing him because of it, ultimately becoming a bully himself. Of course, this is going to horrify Akira, and this, along with the fact that Adrien nearly died because of it, he’s starts trying to be more empathetic towards others and thinking of all possibilities, leading to the plan with Sae and Goro.]]

[[spoiler: Obviously, Gabriel will need to confess eventually, and I don't think things will ever be 100% the same with him and Adrien after all of this even before then, but even though it doesn't erase the many horrible things he did, Gabriel can come back from it.]]

[[spoiler: Of course, this could follow a very familiar pattern from Persona 5. Akira, Ryuji, and Ann all started their work as phantom thieves to put a stop to [[HateSink Kamoshida]]- who had given them all reasons to hate him ''personally,'' as well as out of principle. Yusuke gained his Persona to resist his abusive mentor. Haru joined the Thieves to change her father for the better and avoid the awful ArrangedMarriage he was trying to set up. Seeing as rebellion is such a RunningTheme in Persona 5, the narrative places a lot of importance on standing up to the people who hurt you ''yourself'' when possible- with the help of ThePowerOfFriendship, of course. It would really fit the pattern to have Adrien ''finally'' brought into the fold once things involved his father- and, obviously, that would involve [[InternalReveal certain things coming to light]] for everyone involved. But even beyond Adrien's talents as [[SecretIdentity a veteran superhero]], the Palace ''itself'' will likely resist them otherwise. There is definite precedent for a Palace being constructed by multiple people’s distorted worldviews. After all, the entirety of Mementos served as a Palace for the masses, representing their {{Sloth}} in handing over control of their lives to those in charge. If the combined hero teams were to attempt a Palace based on the Agreste mansion without properly preparing, it’s possible that their strength would begin to drain the instant they started fighting. A Palace Ruler is already a force to be reckoned with because of their belief that "I am untouchable!" [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve becomes a source of strength for them]]. What would happen if Gabriel Agreste's belief that no one could interfere with his home… mixed with ''Adrien's'' belief that "No one is coming to save me… I messed up so badly that I [[IJustWantToHaveFriends drove all my friends away]], and so now no one cares enough to help me"? Their combined disbelief in "heroes" being able to oppose Gabriel might result in an automatic DePower effect whenever the Thieves are detected in the Palace. In order to overcome that effect, the heroes would ''have'' to reach out to Adrien and convince him that he ''does'' have friends, and there ''is'' hope for him to escape his father’s grip. This might be a good time for our heroes, especially the ones from Tokyo, to consider the possibility that they ''may'' have been [[WasTooHardOnHim a little rough on Adrien in the past few months]]. In their [[WhatTheHellHero understandable anger]] over the complete failure of his [[MyGreatestFailure “plan”]] for dealing with Lila, they might have been [[SelectiveObliviousness overlooking]] a few signs that indicated that Adrien could relate a bit more to ''their'' [[DarkAndTroubledPast tragic backstories]] than they might be comfortable with.]]

[[spoiler: Of course, this could follow a very familiar pattern from Persona 5. Akira, Ryuji, and Ann all started their work as phantom thieves to put a stop to [[HateSink Kamoshida]]- who had given them all reasons to hate him ''personally,'' as well as out of principle. Yusuke gained his Persona to resist his abusive mentor. Haru joined the Thieves to change her father for the better and avoid the awful ArrangedMarriage he was trying to set up. Seeing as rebellion is such a RunningTheme in Persona 5, the narrative places a lot of importance on standing up to the people who hurt you ''yourself'' when possible- with the help of ThePowerOfFriendship, of course. It would really fit the pattern to have Adrien ''finally'' brought into the fold once things involved his father- and, obviously, that would involve [[InternalReveal certain things coming to light]] for everyone involved. But even beyond Adrien's talents as [[SecretIdentity a veteran superhero]], the Palace ''itself'' will likely resist them otherwise. There is definite precedent for a Palace being constructed by multiple people’s distorted worldviews. After all, the entirety of Mementos served as a Palace for the masses, representing their {{Sloth}} in handing over control of their lives to those in charge. If the combined hero teams were to attempt a Palace based on the Agreste mansion without properly preparing, it’s possible that their strength would begin to drain the instant they started fighting. A Palace Ruler is already a force to be reckoned with because their belief that "I am untouchable!" [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve becomes a source of strength for them]]. What would happen if Gabriel Agreste's belief that no one could interfere with his home… mixed with ''Adrien's'' belief that "No one is coming to save me… I messed up so badly that I [[IJustWantToHaveFriends drove all my friends away]], and so now no one cares enough to help me"? Their combined disbelief in "heroes" being able to oppose Gabriel might result in an automatic DePower effect whenever the Thieves are detected in the Palace. In order to overcome that effect, the heroes would ''have'' to reach out to Adrien and convince him that he ''does'' have friends, and there ''is'' hope for him to escape his father’s grip. This might be a good time for our heroes, especially the ones from Tokyo, to consider the possibility that they ''may'' have been [[WasTooHardOnHim a little rough on Adrien in the past few months]]. In their [[WhatTheHellHero understandable anger]] over the complete failure of his [[MyGreatestFailure “plan”]] for dealing with Lila, they might have been [[SelectiveObliviousness overlooking]] a few signs that indicated that Adrien could relate a bit more to ''their'' [[DarkAndTroubledPast tragic backstories]] than they might be comfortable with.]]

[[spoiler: After Hawkmoth’s identity is revealed, the Thieves would be quite suspicious of Adrien as a possible accomplice, but the Palace will soon put those doubts to rest by showing the [[AbusiveParent emotional abuse]] the kid goes through. In addition, the Thieves might encounter some Cognitions of themselves before they leave, created from Adrien’s anguish and frustration. For example, Cognitive Akira and the Tokies could berate Adrien that “Someone like you doesn’t deserve friends!”, or Cognitive Kobra could tell [[InternalReveal Chat Noir]] that he needs to just [[BlindObedience shut up and do what Ladybug tells him]]. Everyone would know that these depictions weren’t objective, but even if Palaces don’t do “subtle,” they might give some valuable insight into how Adrien has felt for the last few months.]]

[[spoiler: After Hawkmoth’s identity is revealed, the Thieves would be quite suspicious of Adrien as a possible accomplice, but the Palace will soon put those doubts to rest by showing the [[AbusiveParent emotional abuse]] the kid goes through. In addition, the Thieves might encounter some Cognitions of themselves before they leave, created from Adrien’s anguish and frustration. For example, Akira and the Tokies could berate Cognitive Adrien that “Someone like you doesn’t deserve friends!”, or Kobra could tell [[InternalReveal Chat Noir]] that he needs to just [[BlindObedience shut up and do what Ladybug tells him]]. Everyone would know that these depictions weren’t objective, but even if Palaces don’t do “subtle,” they might give some valuable insight into how Adrien has felt for the last few months.]]

[[spoiler: Of course, this could follow a very familiar pattern from Persona 5. Akira, Ryuji, and Ann all started their work as phantom thieves to put a stop to [[HateSink Kamoshida]]- who had given them all reasons to hate him ''personally,'' as well as out of principle. Yusuke gained his Persona to resist his abusive mentor. Haru joined the Thieves to change her father for the better and avoid the awful ArrangedMarriage he was trying to set up. Seeing as rebellion is such a RunningTheme in Persona 5, the narrative places a lot of importance on standing up to the people who hurt you ''yourself'' when possible- with the help of ThePowerOfFriendship, of course. It would really fit the pattern to have Adrien ''finally'' brought into the fold once things involved his father- and, obviously, that would involve [[InternalReveal certain things coming to light]] for everyone involved. But even beyond Adrien's talents as [[SecretIdentity a veteran superhero]], the Palace ''itself'' will likely resist them otherwise. There is definite precedent for a Palace being constructed by multiple people’s distorted worldviews. After all, the entirety of Mementos served as a Palace for the masses, representing their {{Sloth}} in handing over control of their lives to those in charge. If the combined hero teams were to attempt a Palace based on the Agreste mansion without properly preparing, it’s possible that their strength would begin to drain the instant they started fighting. A Palace Ruler is already a force to be reckoned with because their belief that "I am untouchable!" [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve becomes a source of strength for them]]. What would happen if Gabriel Agreste's belief that no one could interfere with his home… mixed with ''Adrien's'' belief that "No one is coming to save me… I messed up so badly that I [[IJustWantToHaveFriends drove all my friends away]], and so now no one cares enough to help me"? Their combined disbelief in "heroes" being able to oppose Gabriel might result in an automatic DePower effect whenever the Thieves are detected in the Palace. In order to overcome that effect, the heroes would ''have'' to reach out to Adrien and convince him that he ''does'' have friends, and there ''is'' hope for him to escape his father’s grip. This might be a good time for our heroes, especially the ones from Tokyo, to consider the possibility that they ''may'' have been [[WasTooHardOnHim a little rough on Adrien in the past few months]]. In their [[WhatTheHellHero understandable anger]] over the complete failure of his [[MyGreatestFailure “plan”]] for dealing with Lila, they might have been [[SelectiveObliviousness overlooking]] a few signs that indicated that Adrien could relate a bit more to ''their'' [[DarkAndTroubledPast tragic backstories]] than they might be comfortable with.]]

[[Spoiler: Of course, this could follow a very familiar pattern from Persona 5. Akira, Ryuji, and Ann all started their work as phantom thieves to put a stop to [[HateSink Kamoshida]]- who had given them all reasons to hate him ''personally,'' as well as out of principle. Yusuke gained his Persona to resist his abusive mentor. Haru joined the Thieves to change her father for the better and avoid the awful ArrangedMarriage he was trying to set up. Seeing as rebellion is such a RunningTheme in Persona 5, the narrative places a lot of importance on standing up to the people who hurt you ''yourself'' when possible- with the help of ThePowerOfFriendship, of course. It would really fit the pattern to have Adrien ''finally'' brought into the fold once things involved his father- and, obviously, that would involve [[InternalReveal certain things coming to light]] for everyone involved. But even beyond Adrien's talents as [[SecretIdentity a veteran superhero]], the Palace ''itself'' will likely resist them otherwise. There is definite precedent for a Palace being constructed by multiple people’s distorted worldviews. After all, the entirety of Mementos served as a Palace for the masses, representing their {{Sloth}} in handing over control of their lives to those in charge. If the combined hero teams were to attempt a Palace based on the Agreste mansion without properly preparing, it’s possible that their strength would begin to drain the instant they started fighting. A Palace Ruler is already a force to be reckoned with because their belief that "I am untouchable!" [[ClapYourHandsIfYouBelieve becomes a source of strength for them]]. What would happen if Gabriel Agreste's belief that no one could interfere with his home… mixed with ''Adrien's'' belief that "No one is coming to save me… I messed up so badly that I [[IJustWantToHaveFriends drove all my friends away]], and so now no one cares enough to help me"? Their combined disbelief in "heroes" being able to oppose Gabriel might result in an automatic DePower effect whenever the Thieves are detected in the Palace. In order to overcome that effect, the heroes would ''have'' to reach out to Adrien and convince him that he ''does'' have friends, and there ''is'' hope for him to escape his father’s grip. This might be a good time for our heroes, especially the ones from Tokyo, to consider the possibility that they ''may'' have been [[WasTooHardOnHim a little rough on Adrien in the past few months]]. In their [[WhatTheHellHero understandable anger]] over the complete failure of his [[MyGreatestFailure “plan”]] for dealing with Lila, they might have been [[SelectiveObliviousness overlooking]] a few signs that indicated that Adrien could relate a bit more to ''their'' [[DarkAndTroubledPast tragic backstories]] than they might be comfortable with.]]

[[spoiler: And said Shadow is like Shadow Futaba: He is a representation of the rebellious and more proactive side Adrien has, as shown in season 1 when he tries to sneak to school and when he helped Fu. He helps Adrien realize that he always knew deep down that turning a blind eye to other crimes because it would be easier for him is wrong and that his fears of losing the few friends and freedom he has is allowing other people (like Lila and Bustier) to manipulate him into turning a blind eye to the harm they are bringing to his friends. This causes Adrien to decide not to be manipulated anymore and to fight for his friends and freedom, awakening his Persona.]]

[[spoiler: And said Shadow is like Shadow Futaba: He is a representation of the rebellious and more proactive side Adrien has, as shown in season 1 when he tries to sneak to school and when he helped Fu. He helps Adrien realize that he knew deep down that turning a blind eye to other crimes because it would be easier for him is wrong and that his fears of losing the few friends and freedom he has is allowing other people (like Lila and Bustier) to manipulate him into turning a blind eye to the harm his friends are going through. This causes Adrien to decide not to be manipulated anymore and awaken his Persona.]]

[[spoiler: And said Shadow is like Shadow Futaba: He is a representation of the rebellious and more proactive side Adrien has, as shown in season 1 when he tries to sneak to school and when he helped Fu. He helps Adrien realize that he knew deep down that turning a blind eye to other crimes because it would be easier for him is wrong and that his fears of losing the few friends and freedom he has is allowing other people (like Lila and Bustier) to manipulate him. This causes Adrien to decide not to be manipulated anymore and awaken his Persona.]]

[[spoiler: And said Shadow is like Shadow Futaba: He is a representation of the rebellious and more proactive side Adrien has, as shown in season 1 when he tries to sneak to school and when he helped Fu. He helps Adrien realize that he knew deep down that turning a blind eye to other crimes because it would be easier for him is wrong and that his fears of losing the few friends he has is allowing other people (like Lila and Bustier) to manipulate him. This causes Adrien to decide not to be manipulated anymore and awaken his Persona.]]

[[spoiler:And that is because Yaldabaoth is exacerbating their worst traits and negative emotions, as he knows that the Miraculous Bearers, and by extension Marinette, are one of the major bulwarks of hope; if the Bearers break, then there will be fewer to stand up against him when he rises. So he aggravates Mme. Bustier's worst traits, as well as makes the others more willing to believe Lila. After all, if Marinette can no longer do her duty, the people of Paris would eventually lose hope, and be more likely to fall to Sloth.]]

[[WMG: There is an in-universe reason why a lot of the ML are far worse than in canon.]]

[[WMG: There is a reason why some of the ML cast can come off as worse than in canon.]]

[[spoiler:And that is because Yaldabaoth is exacerbating their worst traits and negative emotions, as he knows that the Miraculous Bearers, and by extension Marinette, are one of the major bulwarks of hope; if the Bearers break, then there will be fewer to stand up against him when he rises.]]

[[spoiler:And that is because Yaldabaoth is exacerbating their worst traits and negative emotions, as he knows that Marinette is one of the bulwarks of hope; if she breaks, then there will be fewer to stand up against him when he rises.]]

[[WMG: There is a reason why the ML cast comes off as worse than in canon.]]

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