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** Adding to this, the way the Engineers dress and how their technology looks may be due to them copying the biomechanical look of the Xenomorphs and their nests.The black goop may also be something the Engineers synthesized using the Xenomorphs, and it may be an entirely different substance from the one the Engineer drinks in the Prolgue of ''Prometheus''. The Xenomorphs seem to also have organic-matter-warping abilities, as seen with their elaborate nests, extremely fast growth-rate, and apparent ability to turn humans into Xenomorph eggs (though this was only in a deleted scene from ''Alien''). This also adds credence to Xenomorphs being a natural species that have likely lived for millions of years.
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We've already seen two ships (from the original ''Aliens'' and now in ''Prometheus'') that have had their crew killed by escaped bioweapons. It's likely that the Black Goo was their go-to stratagem for "[[KillEmAll life on this planet isn't quite exactly how we want it to be]]" and they had a bunch of it made up and sent out on numerous ships. Due either to a design flaw, wear and tear, or just operator error, these things have a rather horrible tendency to go off when they're not supposed to. Even when they ARE applied correctly, they have [[GoneHorriblyRight horrible results]]. The reason we haven't seen them in our various space travels is that either all of their worlds have been destroyed by escaped bioweapons, OR there's just a few worlds left that have become incredibly isolationist and aren't flying about the cosmos any more. Since the Nostromo found a ship that had been crashed so long the Space Jockey fossilized (or, more likely, had the biomechanical suit degrade and/or was covered in xenomorph resin), and the Prometheus found a ship that was down for two millenia, it's likely that the Engineers as a galactic society crashed and burned a long, long time ago. The "proto-xenomorph" seen at the end of the film is simply what it looks like when an Engineer is face-hugged by the "default" squidly parasite, developing a type of Queen. THAT queen's eggs then produce the more "spidery" face-huggers we know and love, which when infecting a human creates the classic xenomorph. The mural seen in the storage device is just the end-result of the blag goo's influence in a "base" form, that adapts to the local environment by assuming qualities of its host and changing with successive generations.

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We've already seen two ships (from the original ''Aliens'' and now in ''Prometheus'') that have had their crew killed by escaped bioweapons. It's likely that the Black Goo was their go-to stratagem for "[[KillEmAll life "life on this planet isn't quite exactly how we want it to be]]" be" and they had a bunch of it made up and sent out on numerous ships. Due either to a design flaw, wear and tear, or just operator error, these things have a rather horrible tendency to go off when they're not supposed to. Even when they ARE applied correctly, they have [[GoneHorriblyRight horrible results]]. The reason we haven't seen them in our various space travels is that either all of their worlds have been destroyed by escaped bioweapons, OR there's just a few worlds left that have become incredibly isolationist and aren't flying about the cosmos any more. Since the Nostromo found a ship that had been crashed so long the Space Jockey fossilized (or, more likely, had the biomechanical suit degrade and/or was covered in xenomorph resin), and the Prometheus found a ship that was down for two millenia, it's likely that the Engineers as a galactic society crashed and burned a long, long time ago. The "proto-xenomorph" seen at the end of the film is simply what it looks like when an Engineer is face-hugged by the "default" squidly parasite, developing a type of Queen. THAT queen's eggs then produce the more "spidery" face-huggers we know and love, which when infecting a human creates the classic xenomorph. The mural seen in the storage device is just the end-result of the blag goo's influence in a "base" form, that adapts to the local environment by assuming qualities of its host and changing with successive generations.
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The Engineers are not some god like beings that created life. They are genetic geniuses that sell their skills to the highest bidder. The Predators and this race have a contract arrangement. You create worthy hunting targets for us and we don't hunt you. So they created all kinds of bio weapons in the past and the Predators won every single time. So they decided to create their ultimate weapon. Humanity was created from their own genetics to be as vicious and cruel as any other weapon, but at the same time humanity was given something no other weapon was given before. Intelligence and the ability to adapt to nearly any situation. It was there ultimate creation with a catch. The Engineers knew that the Predator race would easily wipe out the primitive humans, so they hid humanity away on a secret planet and let them have it. Humanity excels at violence and war, just as they were meant to.

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The Engineers are not some god like beings that created life. They are genetic geniuses that sell their skills to the highest bidder. The Predators and this race have a contract arrangement. You create worthy hunting targets for us and we don't hunt you. So they created all kinds of bio weapons in the past and the Predators won every single time. So they decided to create their ultimate weapon. Humanity was created from their own genetics to be as vicious and cruel as any other weapon, but at the same time humanity was given something no other weapon was given before. Intelligence and the ability to adapt to nearly any situation. It was there their ultimate creation with a catch. The Engineers knew that the Predator race would easily wipe out the primitive humans, so they hid humanity away on a secret planet and let them have it. Humanity excels at violence and war, just as they were meant to.
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Alien was a film about the horrors of birth and parenthood gone wrong. Prometheus was intended as a film about the horrors of overly-controlling parents, and the need to overcome them to move on with your life. Now, this may be a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, but I think its definately there. David's desire for Weyland's death is one obvious example. However, what happens when the aliens wake up? They immediately ATTACK DAVID! David is, in effect,their "grandchild." The offspring species of their offspring species. In effect, it infuriated them that humans had managed to advance so far, when we were supposed to remain their primitive "children," who they could guide forever. This is why they originally wanted to wipe us out: we were already beginning to think too much for ourselves.


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Alien was a film about the horrors of birth and parenthood gone wrong. Prometheus was intended as a film about the horrors of overly-controlling parents, and the need to overcome them to move on with your life. Now, this may be a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop, HardTruthAesop, but I think its definately there. David's desire for Weyland's death is one obvious example. However, what happens when the aliens wake up? They immediately ATTACK DAVID! David is, in effect,their "grandchild." The offspring species of their offspring species. In effect, it infuriated them that humans had managed to advance so far, when we were supposed to remain their primitive "children," who they could guide forever. This is why they originally wanted to wipe us out: we were already beginning to think too much for ourselves.

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* Alternatively, Xenomorphs bred from Engineers are too powerful for them to use as weapons. Spawning them from humans makes them just weak enough for the Engineers to control, while preserving most of their bodily structure and intellect.
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** The size might not match, but it's unclear because the size of the Jockey is portrayed inconsistently in Alien. Wide shots of the chamber used children in the space suits to make the Jockey appear larger, but close-ups used the adult actors, making the Jockey appear closer in size to the Engineer seen in Prometheus. So the size might not match up, depending on which version of the Jockey in Alien you consider to be the "true" portrayal.
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[[WMG:Shaw is [[Transgender a transexual]]]]
Explaining why she can't have kids and why the medical pod calibrated for male bodies worked on her.
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How else do you explain her running around an alien planet with little to no trouble at all mere minutes after the machine cuts open her womb, ripped out the alien and stapled her back together? Not to mention the pain killers she took. Shaw should've been a complete mess but she was able to run around and handle falls with little trouble. The C-Section probably caused her healing factor to kick into overdrive!

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How else do you explain her running around an alien planet with little to no trouble at all mere minutes after the machine cuts open her womb, ripped out the alien and stapled her back together? Not to mention the pain killers she took. Shaw should've been a complete mess but she was able to run around and handle falls with little trouble. The C-Section probably caused her healing factor to kick into overdrive!overdrive!

[[WMG: The Alien mural proves Xenomorphs existed before ''Film/AlienCovenant'']]
The Xenomorph life cycle was already known to the Engineers, which is why they built the mural. The events of ''Film/{{Prometheus}}'' and ''Film/AlienCovenant'' are rediscovering the existing process rather than creating the first Xenomorph. Any story with Xenomorphs set in an earlier time period could have still happened.
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** [[Film/AlienCovenant]] brings this WMG back into play.

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** [[Film/AlienCovenant]] [[Film/AlienCovenant Alien: Covenant]] brings this WMG back into play.
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** [[Film/AlienCovenant]] brings this WMG back into play.
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[[WMG: Millburn is [[JurassicPark Sarah Harding]] reincarnated.]]

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[[WMG: Millburn is [[JurassicPark [[Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark Sarah Harding]] reincarnated.]]
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Alternatively, the Engineers went to war with the Predators, and invented the weaponized goo to kill them off for good. They wanted to test it's planet killing capabilities on Earth before unloading an untested and possibly dud weapon on a species that has shown amazing resilience and adaptability. The accident on the Base Planet was caused by a squad of Predators, who harnessed the weapon to make customized enemies to fight after they wiped out the Engineers.

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Alternatively, the Engineers went to war with the Predators, and invented the weaponized goo to kill them off for good. They wanted to test it's planet killing capabilities on Earth before unloading an untested and possibly dud weapon on a species that has shown amazing resilience and adaptability. The accident on the Base Planet was caused by a squad of Predators, who harnessed the weapon to make customized enemies to fight after they wiped out the Engineers.Engineers.

[[WMG: Shaw has a Mutant Healing Factor.]]
How else do you explain her running around an alien planet with little to no trouble at all mere minutes after the machine cuts open her womb, ripped out the alien and stapled her back together? Not to mention the pain killers she took. Shaw should've been a complete mess but she was able to run around and handle falls with little trouble. The C-Section probably caused her healing factor to kick into overdrive!
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* But they manifest initially as a sense of humor, mild eccentricity well within the bounds of what would be normal (if charming) in a flamboyant human shipmate, and a [[LawrenceOfArabia rather funny sense of fun]]. Over the course of the film his quirks escalate badly as things go pear-shaped. It'll still result in plenty of death and destruction (because again, T.E. Lawrence, whose depictions he seems at least partly based off of performance-wise, wasn't a "dangerous man" because he was a G-rated pacifist hero who never did anybody any harm) but it won't be the whole [[AIIsACrapshoot "somebody accidentally pushed David's 'kill all humans' button!"]] routine.

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* But they manifest initially as a sense of humor, mild eccentricity well within the bounds of what would be normal (if charming) in a flamboyant human shipmate, and a [[LawrenceOfArabia [[Film/LawrenceOfArabia rather funny sense of fun]]. Over the course of the film his quirks escalate badly as things go pear-shaped. It'll still result in plenty of death and destruction (because again, T.E. Lawrence, whose depictions he seems at least partly based off of performance-wise, wasn't a "dangerous man" because he was a G-rated pacifist hero who never did anybody any harm) but it won't be the whole [[AIIsACrapshoot "somebody accidentally pushed David's 'kill all humans' button!"]] routine.
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** The Engineers, who already possessed faster-than-light ships, had already had contact with the Yautja and considered them "bad guys". Reason: not only the Yautja hunted the Engineers (evidence: a Space Jockey helmet in a trophy room in ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem''), but they stole their technology as well (evidence: the very premise of ''AVPAlienVsPredator'', as well as a Predator command chair in ''Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem'' that looks like a Space Jockey command chair). The engineers decide to reach a distant planet (Earth) and create humanity.

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** The Engineers, who already possessed faster-than-light ships, had already had contact with the Yautja and considered them "bad guys". Reason: not only the Yautja hunted the Engineers (evidence: a Space Jockey helmet in a trophy room in ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem''), but they stole their technology as well (evidence: the very premise of ''AVPAlienVsPredator'', ''Film/AVPAlienVsPredator'', as well as a Predator command chair in ''Aliens Vs Predator: Requiem'' that looks like a Space Jockey command chair). The engineers decide to reach a distant planet (Earth) and create humanity.
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C) Anger at his father for dying. We know that Peter Weyland has a massive fear of death, and this was probably the origin. Also, his father was already dying of disease before the events in AlienVsPredator that took his life.

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C) Anger at his father for dying. We know that Peter Weyland has a massive fear of death, and this was probably the origin. Also, his father was already dying of disease before the events in AlienVsPredator ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' that took his life.
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"Transexual" is considered a slur by the Transgender community.


[[WMG: Vickers is a transsexual.]]

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[[WMG: Vickers is a transsexual.transgender woman.]]
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* Given that larval xenomorphs take on some of the characteristics of the host (as seen canonically in ''Film/{{Alien 3}}'' and semi-canonically in ''Film/AlienVsPredator''), it is likely that the Engineers designed their initial biological weapon to be highly adaptable and versatile; the classic xenomorph was the result of the base weapon passing through two humans, an Engineer, and probably another human, whereupon it reaches the form we all know and love. This also explains the discrepancies between the xenomorphs' appearances in different movies; a variety of hosts causes slightly different morphologies.

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* Given that larval xenomorphs take on some of the characteristics of the host (as seen canonically in ''Film/{{Alien 3}}'' and semi-canonically in ''Film/AlienVsPredator''), ''Film/AVPAlienVsPredator''), it is likely that the Engineers designed their initial biological weapon to be highly adaptable and versatile; the classic xenomorph was the result of the base weapon passing through two humans, an Engineer, and probably another human, whereupon it reaches the form we all know and love. This also explains the discrepancies between the xenomorphs' appearances in different movies; a variety of hosts causes slightly different morphologies.



[[WMG:The AlienVsPredator movies are still canon.]]

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[[WMG:The AlienVsPredator ''Franchise/AlienVsPredator'' movies are still canon.]]



** The Engineers, who already possessed faster-than-light ships, had already had contact with the Yautja and considered them "bad guys". Reason: not only the Yautja hunted the Engineers (evidence: a Space Jockey helmet in a trophy room in ''Aliens Vs Predator Requiem''), but they stole their technology as well (evidence: the very premise of AlienVsPredator, as well as a Predator command chair in ''Aliens Vs Predator Requiem'' that looks like a Space Jockey command chair). The engineers decide to reach a distant planet (Earth) and create humanity.

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** The Engineers, who already possessed faster-than-light ships, had already had contact with the Yautja and considered them "bad guys". Reason: not only the Yautja hunted the Engineers (evidence: a Space Jockey helmet in a trophy room in ''Aliens Vs Predator Requiem''), ''Film/AliensVsPredatorRequiem''), but they stole their technology as well (evidence: the very premise of AlienVsPredator, ''AVPAlienVsPredator'', as well as a Predator command chair in ''Aliens Vs Predator Predator: Requiem'' that looks like a Space Jockey command chair). The engineers decide to reach a distant planet (Earth) and create humanity.
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** Except the ship seen in Alien has, as pointed out by the characters, been there for a LONG time, and has a dead Engineer in the pilot seat, not Shaw.
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Think of the Forerunners from {{Halo}}. But unlike those benevolent progenitors, these creators are prepared to actively exterminate even their direct descendants to contain this biological threat. No hosts may be permitted to leave the moon. As suggested above, David's translation skills were not quite up to par

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Think of the Forerunners from {{Halo}}.''Franchise/{{Halo}}''. But unlike those benevolent progenitors, these creators are prepared to actively exterminate even their direct descendants to contain this biological threat. No hosts may be permitted to leave the moon. As suggested above, David's translation skills were not quite up to par
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At some point during her flight, she will finally give into despair, ready to die... only to suddenly hear a wonderful noise, and look with shock as an [[DoctorWho old phone booth suddenly materializes behind her.]] And with the assistance of The Oncoming Storm, [[TheDreaded all Space Jockies, and by extension, Xenomorphs, will learn why you should never]] [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK]] [[HumansAreSpecial with the human race.]] Yeah, it may be out of nowhere [[RuleOfCool but who doesn't want to see the Doctor and Lisbeth Salander team up]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu take down those bastards!]]

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At some point during her flight, she will finally give into despair, ready to die... only to suddenly hear a wonderful noise, and look with shock as an [[DoctorWho [[Series/DoctorWho old phone booth suddenly materializes behind her.]] And with the assistance of The Oncoming Storm, [[TheDreaded all Space Jockies, and by extension, Xenomorphs, will learn why you should never]] [[PrecisionFStrike FUCK]] [[HumansAreSpecial with the human race.]] Yeah, it may be out of nowhere [[RuleOfCool but who doesn't want to see the Doctor and Lisbeth Salander team up]] [[DidYouJustPunchOutCthulhu take down those bastards!]]

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[[WMG: The process we see at the begining of the movie is the Engineer version of terra forminf a planet]]

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\n* In that case, Shaw could easily be a descendant of Scully: they're both [[PintsizedPowerhouse tiny]] [[TheDeterminator determined]] scientists with strong religious faith that adversity only seems to deepen. They're also both saddled with partners who think their faith is a load of crap (though Mulder is much more subtle about it than David).

[[WMG: The process we see at the begining of the movie is the Engineer version of terra forminf forming a planet]]
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[[WMG: Humans and the Engineers really are genetically identical]]

Related to the above WMG, the analysis the Prometheus crew did on the Engineer really was accurate, and humans and Engineers do have identical genetic profiles.

The reason why the Engineers nonetheless look like 10-foot, black-eyed, albino bodybuilders, rather than normal humans, is actually due to extensive post-natal biomodification. All of their technology seems to have a biological basis: so, for example, instead of building night-vision goggles and other sensor systems like what's built into the crew's exploration spacesuits, they replace or mutate their own eyes; instead of making exoskeletons like the one Weyland uses to walk, they use hormones and viral gene modification to give themselves massive physiques.

If the average person was given the same suite of modifications and medical care that the Engineers received while growing up, they'd look like Engineers too.
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**** Given how the "Happy Birthday David" video states that David is an ''8th Generation'' Android, that would suggest 7 other generations before him. Depending on how long a generation is in Robotics and Cybernetics, that would probably be ample time to have some kind of robotics in 2023.

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**** Given how the "Happy Birthday David" video states that David is an ''8th Generation'' Android, that would suggest 7 other generations before him. Depending on how long a generation is in Robotics and Cybernetics, that would probably be ample time to have some kind of robotics in 2023. Perhaps that last, 7th generation of Androids were the "Nexus-7" type seen in ''Blade Runner'', technically making David a Nexus-8?

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