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[[WMG: The "Arceus" we capture is only one of the True Arceus arms.]]
* The thousand Arceus arms may be figurative, like someone is someone else "right arm" or in a less sybolic way, an actual limb in Hive Mind or transcendent link of true Arceus, who is in his own dimension like in the anime and his arms are all shatered around the infinite universe.
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* Life Diamond and Wisdom Pearl - go all out on symbolism
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Arceus, having created the world and singlehandedly made several other [[Olympus Mons]] come into existence, simply expended all of its energy in doing so. It's so "weak" because it doesn't HAVE the energy it used to make the world... because, well, it used it. Even if Arceus is able to recover its energy, it's entirely reasonable for it to not get it all back at once, so 720 base stat points is pretty good, particularly in comparison to several other Legendary Pokémon, which didn't really spend their energy on anything that we know of.

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Arceus, having created the world and singlehandedly made several other [[Olympus [[Main/OlympusMons Olympus Mons]] come into existence, simply expended all of its energy in doing so. It's so "weak" because it doesn't HAVE the energy it used to make the world... because, well, it used it. Even if Arceus is able to recover its energy, it's entirely reasonable for it to not get it all back at once, so 720 base stat points is pretty good, particularly in comparison to several other Legendary Pokémon, which didn't really spend their energy on anything that we know of.
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[[WMG: Yet another alternative: Arceus hasn't regained its energy from when it created the world.]]
Arceus created the world, so you'd really expect it to be a lot stronger in battle than it is. Not only can it be defeated and caught like any other Pokémon, but as of Generation VI, it doesn't even have the highest base stat total any more. This is completely illogical... unless...
Arceus, having created the world and singlehandedly made several other [[Olympus Mons]] come into existence, simply expended all of its energy in doing so. It's so "weak" because it doesn't HAVE the energy it used to make the world... because, well, it used it. Even if Arceus is able to recover its energy, it's entirely reasonable for it to not get it all back at once, so 720 base stat points is pretty good, particularly in comparison to several other Legendary Pokémon, which didn't really spend their energy on anything that we know of.
(If the Azure Flute events qualify as canon despite being unavailable to normal players, then the fact that it was forcibly awakened with the Flute when it would have still been resting at Spear Pillar backs this up. Of course it's not going to be the strongest Pokémon if its regeneration was cut short!)
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* Eternal Diamond and Timeless Pearl
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* Would that include Event Pokemon?

[[WMG: The Cyrus of the potential remakes is the exact same Cyrus]]
Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire had established several differences from the original games, while TheStationsOfTheCanon is in effect for some, notable changes are to the charatcers ane motivations.

If Diamond and Pearl get remakes, then it would likely be similar, with only the EvilPlan and leaders changing. or perhaps the better terminology is ''not'' changing. TheReveal if that not only does Cyrus know of alternate dimensions, he knows becuase he himself is from one; the Dimension of Platinum. And the plot while still be along the Line sof OmnicidalManiac would either be multiversal destruction of remaking one universe from the comfort of the other. The aftermath would be one large CosmicRetcon

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Yeah, I know, [[NumberOfTheBeast six legs/ribs/wings]], banished for his violence, but beyond that Giratina doesn't really fit the position of Satan. While Satan [[TheDevilIsALoser has less chance of beating God than a Magikarp]], Giratina is equal in strength(if not superior given his intervention in Platinum) to Dialga and Palkia, and only Black/White Kyurem and [[{{God}} Arceus]] are stronger. The Distortion world isn't [[Hell Naraka]]. While violent, Giratina is actually part of the CelestialBureaucracy as [[CosmicEntity God of Antimatter]] instead of an outcast/rebel-his violence comes from [[SuperOCD an obsession of order]] rather than being the CompleteMonster that Satan is typically envisioned as. Much like how Arceus is a more generic version of TheMaker instead of the omnipotent, Biblical God, Giratina is less the Devil and more an amalgamation of grumpy, temperamental and [[DarkIsNotEvil dark]] gods. Giratina being treated as a Satan expy comes from the same reason why [[TricksterArchetype trickster figures like Loki]] and [[TheGrimReaper death embodiments]] are treated as Satan: HijackedByJesus, or rather [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Hijacked By]] [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity Ahura Mazda.]]

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Yeah, I know, [[NumberOfTheBeast six legs/ribs/wings]], banished for his violence, but beyond that Giratina doesn't really fit the position of Satan. While Satan [[TheDevilIsALoser has less chance of beating God than a Magikarp]], Giratina is equal in strength(if not superior given his intervention in Platinum) to Dialga and Palkia, and only Black/White Kyurem and [[{{God}} Arceus]] are stronger. The Distortion world isn't [[Hell Naraka]]. While violent, Giratina is actually part of the CelestialBureaucracy as [[CosmicEntity God of Antimatter]] instead of an outcast/rebel-his violence comes from [[SuperOCD an obsession of order]] rather than being the CompleteMonster total villain that Satan is typically envisioned as. Much like how Arceus is a more generic version of TheMaker instead of the omnipotent, Biblical God, Giratina is less the Devil and more an amalgamation of grumpy, temperamental and [[DarkIsNotEvil dark]] gods. Giratina being treated as a Satan expy comes from the same reason why [[TricksterArchetype trickster figures like Loki]] and [[TheGrimReaper death embodiments]] are treated as Satan: HijackedByJesus, or rather [[BlackAndWhiteMorality Hijacked By]] [[BlackAndWhiteInsanity Ahura Mazda.]]
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* Or it is just "growing up" by evolving. Young boys voices are high, to the point where female actresses voice act young male characters. When a boy gets older his voice sounds deeper. Shaymin's sky forme is just it's version of maturation.
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[[WMG: Remake Sinnoh's Team Galactic will be after Mega Evolution.]]
In the original, Team Galactic is trying to harness energy released in evolution. In Pokemon OR/AS, it's revealed Infinity Energy can be obtained two ways - one, by [[PoweredByAForsakenChild killing hundreds of Pokemon]], and through Mega Evolution.

Cyrus could be aware of alternate universes much like Zinnia, and it would add a much needed shade of grey to Cyrus's character that he chose to use the deadlier way of obtaining Infinity Energy.

[[WMG: There will be RBGY remakes before Sinnoh remakes.]]
Necessity is the mother of invention, and the 3DS no longer supports GBA games, but DOES support NDS games. Additionally, OR/AS takes place in the same time frame as RBGY.
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[[WMG: Sinnoh's theme is myths and legends]]
As the result, the remakes will catalogue all legendaries in that current generation and you'll get to obtain them. Some may be exclusion to one version, though and exceptions may include man-made Pokemon like Mewtwo.
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* For the Nintendo HDS.

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* Eternal Diamond and Infinite Pearl
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[[WMG: Giratina's "violence" was the result of it [[GoMadFromTheRevelation going mad from the revelation]]]]
Giratina, despite EldritchAbomination extraordinaire and sole inhabitant of an EldritchLocation where the rules of reality are out to lunch cannot comprehend the rules of our own reality and thus lashes out without the help of a trainer when in our realm.
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[[WMG: If/When Gen 4 gets remade, Arceus will have a Mega Evolution-]]
-or Primal Reversion, an exclusive to it; something. Why? Because if nothing else, it's implied to be the creator of the Pokemon universe on some scale, and when you compare the stats of base Pokemon only, Arceus is the strongest. Going beyond that, currently it's overshadowed by specific [[SuperMode Mega Evolutions]] (both Mewtwo's, and Rayquaza)... but if it had it's own form (aside from the plates), then just imagine.
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[[WMG: Garchomp is the ancestor of Carvanha and Sharpedo.]]
* Garchomp resembles a cross between a hammerhead shark and a dinosaur. Some dinosaurs that lived in water were ancestors of fish (in a similar way that whales are descended from land mammals). Carvanha's coloration is exactly the same as Garchomp's and Sharpedo has some similarities in its design to Gible.
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[[WMG: Diamond and Pearl will be remade]]
Just before the end of Gen 8.
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They both are from their league's respectives Elite Fours, have purple hair, use Psychic Pokemon, and dress in an elegant way (although Will's more of a flamboyant/[[SailorMoon Tuxedo Mask]] parody). The similarities are there for everybody to see. They could be siblings and, ironically, Lucian would be the older one.

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They both are from their league's respectives Elite Fours, have purple hair, use Psychic Pokemon, and dress in an elegant way (although Will's more of a flamboyant/[[SailorMoon flamboyant/[[Franchise/SailorMoon Tuxedo Mask]] parody). The similarities are there for everybody to see. They could be siblings and, ironically, Lucian would be the older one.
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* Anyone else feel like the production staff for this game had a couple of spies at the group working on ''SuperMarioGalaxy''?
** Cynthia looks really similar to Rosalina, right down to having that badass fringe draping across one eye (which should probably be a trope by the way).
** The Distortion World has gravity pointing in unusual directions, much like many of SMG's level designs.
** The bad guys are called Team Galactic. Come on, guys. That one's not even subtle.

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Cynthia looks really similar to Rosalina, right down to having that badass fringe draping across one eye (which should probably be a trope by the way).
** * The Distortion World has gravity pointing in unusual directions, much like many of SMG's level designs.
** * The bad guys are called Team Galactic. Come on, guys. That one's not even subtle.
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** The bad guys are called team Galactic. Come on, guys. That one's not even subtle.

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* Anyone else feel like the production staff for this game had a couple of spies at the group working on ''SuperMarioGalaxy''?
** Cynthia looks really similar to Rosalina, right down to having that badass fringe draping across one eye (which should probably be a trope by the way).
** The Distortion World has gravity pointing in unusual directions, much like many of SMG's level designs.
** The bad guys are called team Galactic. Come on, guys. That one's not even subtle.

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* Another idea is that Manaphy and Phione are similar in basics to queen and drone bees. Manaphy eggs are made with a royal jelly like substance, and because you don't have it your Manaphy will only breed the commoner Phione.




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* When Giratina fell, Arceus decide to create the Lake trio to replace him. That's why the Distortion World entrance is a lake-the lake trio based their home on the original source of spirit. To prevent something like [[SatanicArchetype Giratina]] happening again, they became a trio to balance each other out.




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* This adds up with my theory that Arceus is a physical avatar for the Unown hive mind-they can always create another focus.




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* So deism describes how Pokemon works?



* Or you got it backwards and the Unown are the unseen thousand arms of Arceus, its tools and or independent parts of Arceus's body, enough mind to function on their own but still under the creator's control.

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* Or you got it backwards and the Unown are the unseen thousand arms of Arceus, its tools and or independent parts of Arceus's body, enough mind to function on their own but still under the creator's control.
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[[WMG: [[CrystalDragonJesus The Sinnoh legendaries represent different Abrahamic concepts.]] ]]
* Arceus is naturally God. He's the Alpha Pokemon, banished [[SatanicArchetype Giratina]] and his home(aka the Hall of Origins) has a glass floor...possibly referencing the glass lake/sea seen in the Revelation vision of Heaven. The white fur may be the Pokemon equivalent of [[GrandpaGod the bearded guy]] we usually see the Lord as.
* Dialga and Palkia are archangels. A number of extra-biblical stories have angels [[CouncilOfAngels help construct the universe for God]], and Dialga/Palkia shaped time and space for Arceus. Guessing they are Michael and Uriel respectively, and take your guess on which is which.
* Giratina is [[SatanicArchetype Satan.]] Both him and Satan are dragons who, when banished to the Distortion World/Hell respectively became legless serpents. Giratina is more powerful than Dialga and Palkia(it managed to stop them when Cyrus was using them [[OmnicidalManiac to recreate the universe]]), and they represent archangels. Who is considered the most powerful, greatest archangel? Lucifer aka Satan
* The lake trio represent the three different parts of God's almighty nature. Uxie represents God's omniscience(it brought knowledge), Mesprit represents omnipresence(it brought emotion, which is in everyone) and Azelf represents omnipotence(it brought will, and thus is the controlling force behind everyone). The lethal power of God is represented in what happens when you screw with them:
** Uxie opening its eyes is the free will issue of God: if He uses His full all-knowingness to read your thoughts, you lose free will and aren't really you, represented in the "wiping your memory" aspect.
** Mesprit being touched is unclear, but it may have something to do with reaching God face to face-you are wiped out/[[MindRape mind-raped]] into being an emotionless mind-slave of God. Or something, I'm not entirely sure
** Azelf being harmed represents Hell. If you hurt God, God punishes you by [[AndIMustScream making you effectively immobile.]] If you hurt Azelf, Azelf punishes you by [[AndIMustScream making you immobile.]]
* Heatran is Adam. Heatran was born at the beginning of the world, like Adam. Much like how Adam was created with the Earth, so was Heatran-however Adam was formed from the Earth when it was much like our own, Heatran was formed from the molten Earth and thus is made out of lava and steel.
* Just like the legendary golems, Regigigas is a golem as well. It is an avatar for God's chosen people, the Jews, having suffered throughout history(it and the legendary golems were locked away).
* Manaphy and Phione are antediluvian and post-diluvian people. According to the Bible, [[MethuselahSyndrome people lived much longer]] and were more powerful, and the people afterwards would be considered meek. The old world was wiped out by a flood, and as such Manaphy(that old world) is associated with the antediluvian people-hence why you cannot reproduce them, and only get their descendants(Phione/Post-Flood man). Manaphy could be considered Noah.
* Cresselia and Darkrai are Archangel Gabriel and Raphael respectively. Prophetic visions often appear in dreams, and Gabriel was the one who came to the Virgin Mary in a vision. Rapahel is an angel that causes nightmares, [[DarkIsNotEvil but is benevolent]] like Darkrai. Also in the anime Darkrai was owned by Tobias, who was guarded by Raphael.




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**** Alternatively, Cyrus didn't have to travel in time. Much like how Arceus was around at the dawn of time, Cyrus was around at the ''end.'' With time and space essentially frozen in the Distortion World, Cyrus would be immortal so long as he stays there. [[TimeAbyss Countless eons later]], Cyrus ascended to position of [[TheAntiGod the Omega Pokemon]] at the end of the universe. With the knowledge and power he obtained, Cyrus gained the power to travel back in time and begin his war against Arceus to recreate the universe [[AGodAmI in his soulless image.]]
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Anyway, playing on the fact that Gardenia is seen in front of it, proclaiming the certain hauntedness of the Chateau and her fear of ghosts and ghost-type Pokemon (which is also established in her later appearances in Black/White), perhaps this fear stems from trauma of her experience, or at worse, guilt from causing it in the first place. Whatever it was, it lead to the death of a butler and a little girl (perhaps a sister or childhood friend). Being that an antidote is found in the garbage can in D/P, it certainly sets up a few grim scenarios:

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* Anyway, playing on the fact that Gardenia is seen in front of it, proclaiming the certain hauntedness of the Chateau and her fear of ghosts and ghost-type Pokemon (which is also established in her later appearances in Black/White), perhaps this fear stems from trauma of her experience, or at worse, guilt from causing it in the first place. Whatever it was, it lead to the death of a butler and a little girl (perhaps a sister or childhood friend). Being that an antidote is found in the garbage can in D/P, it certainly sets up a few grim scenarios:

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Yes, I am aware there's this implication that Charon used to live in it himself, but the dude is old... and Gardenia is most certainly not. It could've been long before (or maybe even for a short time after) Gardenia herself (and her family) moved in.
Anyway, playing on the fact that Gardenia is seen in front of it, proclaiming the certain hauntedness of the Chateau and her fear of ghosts and ghost-type Pokemon (which is also established in her later appearances in Black/White), perhaps this fear stems from trauma of her experience, or at worse, guilt from causing it in the first place. Whatever it was, it lead to the death of a butler and a little girl (perhaps a sister or childhood friend). Being that an antidote is found in the garbage can in D/P, it certainly sets up a grim scenario.

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* Yes, I am aware there's this implication that Charon used to live in it himself, but the dude is old... and Gardenia is most certainly not. It could've been long before (or maybe even for a short time after) Gardenia herself (and her family) moved in.
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Anyway, playing on the fact that Gardenia is seen in front of it, proclaiming the certain hauntedness of the Chateau and her fear of ghosts and ghost-type Pokemon (which is also established in her later appearances in Black/White), perhaps this fear stems from trauma of her experience, or at worse, guilt from causing it in the first place. Whatever it was, it lead to the death of a butler and a little girl (perhaps a sister or childhood friend). Being that an antidote is found in the garbage can in D/P, it certainly sets up a few grim scenario.
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## Her family was poisoned, Gardenia survives by a) being an expert in poisons (something that seems plausible for a grass-type gym leader) b) not being the target or c) sheer luck of not eating/drinking the poison. Her family's murder was solved, and she would become the city's gym leader with a DarkAndTroubledPast
## She murdered her own family (for reasons that range from hating them to them being an obstacle in the way of her becoming gym leader; who the hell knows?). Being that she's not in prison right now, it's likely the crime went unsolved and Gardenia lived her life hiding this unholy secret as hard as she could.

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[[WMG: Gardenia lived in the Old Chateau during whatever horrible event happened in it, and might be even responsible for it.]]
Yes, I am aware there's this implication that Charon used to live in it himself, but the dude is old... and Gardenia is most certainly not. It could've been long before (or maybe even for a short time after) Gardenia herself (and her family) moved in.
Anyway, playing on the fact that Gardenia is seen in front of it, proclaiming the certain hauntedness of the Chateau and her fear of ghosts and ghost-type Pokemon (which is also established in her later appearances in Black/White), perhaps this fear stems from trauma of her experience, or at worse, guilt from causing it in the first place. Whatever it was, it lead to the death of a butler and a little girl (perhaps a sister or childhood friend). Being that an antidote is found in the garbage can in D/P, it certainly sets up a grim scenario.
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[[WMG: Giratina was once human...]]
Okay, here we go with this...
Team Galactic existed in the past, but back then no trainer stopped them. The Distortion World was the original world, warped to be without spirit. But then the former leader of Team Galactic, when without spirit, was an empty husk. From the Hall of Origin, Arceus created a new world, made of normal matter, and made the former Team Galactic leader Giratina and isolated him/her/it in its Distortion World.

Centuries later, Giratina, regaining memories of its former life, starts using its space-warping powers in an effort to make its former dream a reality, and potentially create a friend for itself. But then, you come along, destroy Team Galactic again, and become a friend for Giratina. In doing this, Giratina's wrath and hatred was satisfied, and it was finally ready to put its [[DarkAndTroubledPast Dark and Troubled Past]] behind it.
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[[WMG: Arceus is catchable because [[{{God}} its job]] has exhausted it.]]
Originally, Arceus was as powerful as you'd expect the creator of the universe to be. However instead of being completely omnipotent, Arceus only had a limited amount of mass-energy to craft existence. Why doesn't Arceus have 1000 arms anymore? It sacrificed much of itself just to make the universe. This self-mutilation resulted in Arceus passing out for billions of years, and even once it healed the majority of its power is kept in the creation trio/lake trio respectively. Arceus can't create more than one member of the creation trio because this would exhaust what little power it has

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