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** And he's green because of the genetic modifications! [[FridgeLogic But wait...]] ALL the platypi in Danville are green. <{{beat}}> [[InsaneTrollLogic So they're]] ''[[InsaneTrollLogic all]]'' [[InsaneTrollLogic mutants!]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from "Nightmare at 20,000 Feet" in ''Series/{{The Twilight Zone|1959}}'' is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Series/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

We know for certain Candace turned 15 in "Candace Loses Her Head," Vanessa turned 16 in "Dude, We're getting the Band Back Together," and Jeremy is "a whole year older" than Candace according to "Across the Second Dimension." Phineas (post season 3) and Ferb themselves are heavily implied to be 12 in the Family Christmas Special

** As long as they don't make a ''Groundhog Day'' loop à la ''Haruhi'', endless eight anyone?

It is a fact of the show that Phineas and Ferb are in fact step-brothers, and in "Phineas and Ferb get Busted" Candance remembers meeting Ferb when him and Phineas were toddlers; however in "Dude, we're getting the band back together" shows Lawrence and Linda sharing their first kiss in a Love Händel concert somewhere in the late 80s. How is that possible? Simple, Linda and Lawrence were together back then, but broke up and went to marry other people (one presumes), years later, single again with kids this time, they met again and got married one another.
* Jossed. According to Word of God, Love Händel was a rare 90s Hair Band.
** But there are serious problems with that explanation. In the flashback, the audience is shown with stereotypical 80s hair and clothing. Plus the TV special said "but styles were changing..." That makes it clear that Love Händel's musical style had widespread popularity at the time, meaning it must have been the 80s. They were probably one of the many New Wave groups that disbanded between 1986 and 89 (e.g. a Flock of Seagulls, Spandau Ballet, OMD, Culture Club, Journey, A-ha, Kajagoogoo, Men at Work).

There's already the alien trope above, but Lawrence is obviously human while Ferb's grandfather really looks like him, so maybe Lawrence was once abducted by aliens à la ''VideoGame/TheSims'' and had Ferb.

We know for certain Candace turned 15 in "Candace Loses Her Head," Vanessa turned 16 in "Dude, We're getting the Band Back Together," and Jeremy is "a whole year older" than Candace according to "Across the Second Dimension." Phineas (post season 3) and Ferb themselves are heavily implied to be 12 in the Family Christmas Special

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Series/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

We know for certain Candace turned 15 in "Candace Loses Her Head," Vanessa turned 16 in "Dude, We're getting the Band Back Together," and Jeremy is "a whole year older" than Candace according to "Across the Second Dimension." Phineas (post season 3) and Ferb themselves are heavily implied to be 12 in the Family Christmas Special. The rest of the characters' ages are up in the air. Here are some theories based on the scraps of evidence the creators have thrown us.
* Isabella: 12-13. Almost certainly the same age as Phineas. Her leadership of the Fireside Girls supports this. Girls tend to develop emotionally a bit quicker than guys as well, so that explains her crush on Phineas, but his not entirely reciprocating yet. He still likes her a lot, but he's not wired for romance quite yet. She is most likely older than Phineas, perhaps the difference of several months.
* Buford: Almost 13. He was the hardest one to place. Some episodes (like "Voyage to the Bottom of Buford") make him seem younger, just a bit overgrown, but that could be a problem with mental/emotional development. I decided to skew a bit older to play it safe.
* Baljeet: 11 going on 12. He's younger than the other members of the group, but definitely around their age enough to be unsupervised so much and to be a regular part of their activities.
* Mishti: 11 or 12. She's never implied to be anything other than the same age as Baljeet. Though she "becomes a girl" between when Baljeet came to America and when she shows up in "That Sinking Feeling", it's not unheard of for puberty to start at around that age in girls.
* Django: 10 or just turned 11. Definitely younger than his friends, and probably the youngest of the group. It also explains why he's not around much since he most likely is still around the age of needing more parental supervision (that, or he tends to hang around with more people his own age).
* Albert: 19. His know-it-all attitude, the fact that he goes away to school, and his voice imply that he's off in college, but also that he's still in the 'lord it over the younger people' phase of development into adulthood.
** Albert is said to go to 'boarding school', which implies that he's less than college age. If he went to college, Irving would have said that. College is not boarding school.
* Irving: 11. The way he obsessively looks up to Phineas and Ferb suggests that he's younger than the others, and the way they don't tell him to leave because it's creepy supports that to me.
* Stacy: 15. They're in the same grade according to Stacy's reminiscence in "Spa Day," so they're either the same age or Stacy will turn 15 within the next couple months (assuming neither was held back or started late).
* Coltrane: 16. We haven't seen much of him, but he seems to be the same age as Jeremy.
* Jenny: 16. Her mellow hippie attitude makes me think she's older than Candace and Stacy, but not by much.
* Carl: 22. He became an intern soon after the flashback to 5 years ago in "Across the Second Dimension," so he must have been nearly college age then.
* Gretchen: 11. Though she's Isabella's second-in-command, she seems younger, but her knowledge makes it hard to judge her age, so I'm putting her at the middle of the pack.
** Since when is Gretchen second in command? Adyson was in charge when Isabella was gone in "Summer Belongs to You."
* Adyson: 12. Definitely at least as old as Isabella, but most likely not older since then she'd probably be troop leader instead.
* Ginger: 11. Looks younger than Adyson and Isabella, but older than Holly and Milly.
* Katie: 12. She looks about the same age as Adyson and Isabella.
* Holly: 10. This is mostly just because she looks significantly younger than most of the other Fireside Girls.
* Milly: 10. This is mostly just because she looks significantly younger than most of the other Fireside Girls.
* Suzy: 8. Definitely at least a couple years younger than anyone else in the cast, but she's definitely older than 6 for the sheer amount of scheming and knowledge under her belt. She also definitely still needs to be babysat unlike the other kids.
** Since she's implied to be wise beyond her years, it wouldn't really be out of the question for her to be sixish. Her inarticulate speech (when she's not talking to Candace) suggests a very young age.
* Johnny: 17. He's analogous to Vanessa as Jeremy is to Candace, but since she's a year older, I decided to place him there, too.
* Marty the Rabbit Boy: 18. He seems calmer and older than the other teens aside from Jeremy.
* Unknown Guy: Who knows?! [[RunningGag Unknown guy is out. Peace!]]
** Actually, Phineas and Ferb are 10. In that episode where they go 20 years into the future, their mom says,"My Phineas and Ferb are 30 now..." What's 30 minus 20? 10. There ya go.
** It's been said by the creators that they had to give a relative age to them for the purpose of the episode and to not to take Linda seriously. So, the "official" age for them is "less than 15".
** I'd just like to say I highly doubt Phineas and Ferb and their friends are as old as they're guessed to be above. They (especially Phineas) have the optimism and lack of self-consciousness that you'd expect from children who are still grade school-aged. Linda's attitude toward the boys should also be considered. She thinks they play elaborate pretend-games and tell her about them as if they were real. If they were as old as 12 and 13, she would probably find that behavior weird instead of cute. I'd guess Phineas is 9 or 10, possibly 11.
*** Phineas was 9 in the original pitch, for what that's worth.
** I suspect the key to the puzzle is Isabella. We know that Phineas and Isabella never met in the alternate dimension after Doof 2 took over. This event was sometime after first meeting Perry (which was 5 years ago). Isabella's brain is currently wired for romance, but Phineas' has not done so yet. Knowing what we do about her future, the Westermarck Effect did NOT take place with neither Phineas nor Ferb, meaning that she first met the boys after they turned 7. Given the difference in brain wireing and that she's taller than Phineas (remember gender growth rates and times), this leads to two likely conclusions. 1. Isabella is most likely older than Phineas (maybe a few months at most), 2. The starting age of Phineas can be narrowed down to 11-12, with a season 3 +1 modifier to it.

[[WMG: A lot of the antagonists (the word antagonist in this situation is used very loosely) can be described as having a fear of loneliness.]]
* Heinz Doofensmirtz: Heinz Doofensmirtz grew up in a situation where he had little to no friends and a sucky family. When he was a kid his best friend was a balloon he had drawn a face on, while in the present day he has made use of his nemesis relationship with Perry the Platypus in order to have someone to hangout with on a daily basis. Although Perry often foils his schemes, deep down Heinz just enjoys being able to hangout with someone. Perry realizes this and hangs out with Heinz even when he's not up to anything evil. On the family side of things: Heinz's parents treated him like crap, he doesn't get along well with his brother, and his wife divorced him. The only family member he has left that still cares for him is his daughter Vanessa. Sure Vanessa is embarrassed by her dad at times, but she still cares for him. The reason why Heinz is so nice to his daughter is because he doesn't want to lose the one family member he has left (in a manner of speaking), because if he lost Vanessa he would be left with no friends (not counting Perry) and no family to depend on. In short, Doofenshmirtz just wants to have friends and a family that actually cares about him.
* Candace: As shown in the Ducky Momo Is My Friend song, Candace seemed to be very lonely when she was little with her only friend being a stuffed toy. Eventually her brother Phineas was born, and as he grew older he and Candace got along well with each other as Candace finally had someone she could actually interact with. Eventually however Ferb became a member of the family and Phineas started spending more time with him than Candace. When Candace saw the amazing things her brothers were capable of her loneliness set in again as, although she really wanted to help, she felt that there wasn't anything she could do. Causing her to ignore her brothers asking her if she wanted to help (something they continue to do in the present day). Eventually her loneliness turned into jealousy especially when she realized that her brothers were capable of getting away with all these amazing things, but she wasn't able to get away with more minor stuff. This led to her busting obsession as she subconsciously decided that if she couldn't reach her brothers' level then she would knock them down to her level, and they would be able to hangout with each other again. Her loneliness turned jealousy however has left her blind to the fact that she is able to participate in and have fun with her brothers' ideas. Candace however has forgotten her original reason for wanting to bust her brothers, and tells herself it's because she's in charge of them and that they shouldn't be doing those things. In short, her obsession with busting her brothers comes from a subconscious desire to hang out with them.
** Related theory on how Candace and Stacy became friends: When Stacy was little she and her mom lived in Japan. However when her mom got a job offer in the USA, Stacy was forced to move away from her life in Japan. For obvious reasons her mother had her take English speaking lessons. When she entered her new school in Danville she was shy and nervous, because not only was she going to a new school but she was in a different country with a different culture than the one she was used to. Candace recognized Stacy's loneliness and decided to befriend her. With Candace's help Stacy was able to come out of her shell resulting in the Stacy we know today. Candace and Stacy instantly became best friends as Stacy provided Candace with a friend who wasn't a fictional character or her brother, and Candace helped Stacy get used to her new life in Danville.
* Buford: When Buford was younger he didn't have any friends. When he won his pet goldfish, Biff, at a carnival he was happy as he now had a friend. However when the local bully attempted to eat Biff, Buford became a bully himself in order to protect Biff. Deep down however Buford realized that Biff just wasn't the same as a human friend, causing him to develop anger issues that helped out his new career as a bully. This led to him making Baljeet into his own personal nerd as an excuse to have someone to hangout with (similar to Doofenshmirtz's relationship with Perry). When he first met Phineas and Ferb he considered them to be a couple of nerds, however in Raging Bully he gained respect for them and started to hangout with them more often. But it wasn't until Voyage to the Bottom of Buford that he started to realize that Phineas, Ferb, and the others were his friends and he started to mellow out around them. It should be noted however that Buford is still technically a bully meaning there's a small part of him that is afraid that the others don't see him as a friend and that Biff is still his only friend (an assumption he would be wrong about). In short, Buford just wants to have friends and is afraid that the friends he now has might leave him.
** Buford is not an antagonist, he never tries to stop the boys and frequently even helps them.
*** Well I did say that I was using the word antagonist very loosely. I am aware that calling Buford an antagonist is a bit of a stretch, but I just thought that I should include him since he kind of started out as an antagonist (sort of).
* Suzy Johnson: It's possible that like Candace and Buford when they were younger, that Suzy doesn't have any friends. Her brother Jeremy, however, is always nice to her causing her to develop an attachment to him. But because she's so young she doesn't quite get the difference between a relationship with a girlfriend and a younger sister, and so she purposely scares off any girl she thinks might take Jeremy away from her (although she seems to be failing with Candace who is afraid of her, but manages to get around that obstacle in order to be with Jeremy). As for why she scares Buford, it's probably just for fun. In short, Suzy attachment to her brother Jeremy is because she doesn't have any actual friends.

[[WMG: On a similar vein to character's ages, anyone care to guess Birthdays?]]
Phineas, Candace, Dr. Doofenshmirtz, Vanessa, Linda, and possibly Perry have summer birthdays, but most of the dates are a mystery.
* We do know Candace's birthday is in July 11th.
* Jeremy's birthday is probably between January and July, since Candace says "he's a whole year older than me" (rather than "almost a year" or "a year and a half"). There's also a good chance it's not in May-July, since he hasn't had a birthday episode (although the achronologic order of the episodes means we can't rule that out).
* [[http://ukoku.livejournal.com/219033.html Over here]] is a guess that Doof is a Gemini. Seems legit.
* In "Dude, We're Getting the Band Back Together", Candace mentioned that it was June 15. Doofenshmirtz spent that day setting up a birthday party for Vanessa.

[[WMG: Sergei the Snail is Sergei the Astronaut's pet.]]
His child named Sergei after his father.

[[WMG: Constance ended up marrying Phineastein]]
* Constance was referred to as a disapproving governess and she looks like Candace while Phineastein looks like Phineas although they are not mentioned to be related to one another, so this theory explains why they look like Phineas and Candace who are siblings.
** But Constance was obsessed with Jeremiah. It would be terribly out of character.
*** It's a teenage crush. They rarely develop into lasting relationships.

[[WMG: Princess Baldegunde is a descendant of Constance]]
* The story in "Phineas 'n' Ferbenstein" is implied to take place in Druelselstein. Baldegunde is from Druelselstein, and resembles Constance and Candace. Do the math.

[[WMG: The members of Linda's line are all obsessive on the subject of 'busting.']]
Look at 'She's The Mayor', 'Candace Gets Busted', 'Quantum Boogaloo', and even the AllJustADream story in 'P&F Get Busted'. Linda knows that her family has this tendency. She is actually afraid to see the boys get busted, knowing she will badly overreact, hence she self-inserts endless delays into Candace's attempts and belittles them to try and push her daughter away from this potential apocalypse trigger habit. Phineas has it too, but he wants to 'bust' the rules that say you can't do this or that, and manages to avoid causing harm, since this is his joy and not a nervous tic. This is why Linda is so zero/one on busting her kids.
* Seems to be supported by the future episode, where Candace's daughter exhibits the same busting instincts as Candace, despite having nothing to bust. Not to mention that Candace can turn her busting instincts to anything that irritates her enough, implying that it's innate.

[[WMG: Candace and Phineas ''both'' have OCD.]]
Phineas is happy because he has his life completely in order. His compulsion drives him to build things (which is why he freaked out when he was on an island and found it was impossible to build anything). Every day, he utters all the same catchphrases, much as people with OCD perform rituals. After being told by Ferb that he was "not very street", he became sad...and then he said "Hey, where's Perry?" and ''immediately cheered up.''
* People with OCD engage in repetitive ritualistic behavior that brings them no pleasure (besides the temporary alleviation of the anxiety that plagues them when they aren't performing the rituals they believe they should be). That doesn't sound like Phineas at all.

[[WMG: All of the characters made a secret vow to never talk about the giant floating baby head after its first appearance.]]
They were so creeped out by it when they first saw it that they decided it was better to just ignore it if it were to ever show up again.

[[WMG: Phineas and Ferb's family are eccentric millionaires]]
Come on! They can afford incredible expensive and complicated projects; how do they pay for them? Simple: They are millionaires!

How? Linda Flynn's hit single and its copyrights (the song is played in most elevators of the city).

Nonetheless, they want to live the "simple life" of the suburbs.
* That's not where the money for the stuff comes from. Phineas and Ferb just have a bunch of credit cards under various fake identities. In fact, they're responsible for the recession.
* They can afford a ''pet platypus'', and they have enough money to get around the laws that are ''against'' that sort of thing.
** Well, it was revealed in the recent episode "Oh, There You Are, Perry" that Perry's only one of many platypi in Danville. Maybe Danville's some kind of resort town for eccentric rich people.
*** Considering in The Lizard Whisperer it shows Phineas, Ferb, and Isabella running through town without even their sister watching them, it would prove the idea that they pay for the town to be safe (you know, the Organization Without a Cool Acronym).
** Another strong possibility is that Phineas and Ferb hold some profitable patents, like the [[Film/MenInBlack MIB]].

[[WMG: Thaddeus and Thor will come back for revenge.]]
They just don't strike me as the kind of characters who would take their defeat lying down. (Or Thaddeus doesn't, anyway.) As soon as they get over their [[HeroicBSOD BSOD]], they'll be out to get Phineas and Ferb for humiliating them. \\

If you need further evidence for a return, Thor still hasn't said anything. An episode in which Thaddeus and Thor recur would allow the creators to give him a Ferb-like one-liner, complete with ridiculous accent.
* [[CompletelyMissingThePoint Are you calling Ferb's accent]] ridiculous?
* Read on a blog that Thaddeus and Thor are in an upcoming episode. -OP
** You mean "Perry the Actorpus"? I thought that was only Mandy.
*** If Mandy is in it, it seems reasonable that her brothers would get at least a cameo. So far her character exists only as a foil for them.
** Nope, they didn't appear.

[[WMG: Prince Charles and Princess Baldegunde will become an item.]]
Royal doubles of Jeremy ''and'' Candace? Frankly, I'm surprised they didn't end "Make Play" with a CallBack gag involving Charles. I have no doubt that somebody on the writing staff will pick up on this idea and run with it, possibly in some kind of epic parody of the Royal Wedding.

[[WMG: Danny, Bobbi Fabulous and Sherman/Swampy are Timelords.]]
It makes sense! They sang in Doofenshmirtz's flashback (and knew it was a flashback), they somehow managed to get to the Second Dimension to sing Robot Riot without Phineas, Ferb, or Doof's knowledge, and in Rollercoaster: The Musical! they all reverted back to the ages they were when they were first popular. How ELSE do you explain it?!
* They didn't go to the second dimension, the Robot Riot montage happened in the first dimension.

[[WMG: Dr. Diminutive is Irving in disguise.]]
He wants an excuse to hang out with the mad scientists when he's not stalking Phineas and Ferb.

[[WMG: The Phineas and Ferb expies seen on an episode of Magazine/{{MAD}} are really Thaddeus and Thor in disguise.]]
Cause Phineas and Ferb wouldn't be such jerks in reality! Also, they're trying to outdo the "Straight A Team", just like Thaddeus and Thor! Remember?

[[WMG: There's another secret organization run by Wanda Acronym's far cooler relative.]]
Which is why the OWCA is the "Organization Without a Cool Acronym."

[[WMG: Charlene is Poofenplotz's Daughter.]]
Why else would she have kept the last name Doofenshmirtz?

[[WMG: Stacy sometimes uses Phineas and Ferb's daily projects as a excuse to hang out with her little sister Ginger.]]
It makes up for the fact that they aren't normally seen together.

[[WMG: Not only is Linda aware of Phineas and Ferb's projects, so is everyone else, and they are all secretly supporting the boys.]]
Since they already have more than enough [[MadScientist Mad Scientists]] on their hands, they decided that they would do everything in their power to ensure that this latest pair of ChildProdigy [[GadgeteerGenius Gadgeteer Geniuses]] grew up to be happy, productive members of society. This included turning a blind eye to their various escapades, providing a stable, loving environment for them to grow up in, and giving them as normal a childhood as possible.
* When they discovered Baljeet and Isabella and the rest of the Fireside Girls, they decided to try and make sure they would be the best of friends, ensuring that all of the children would not be lonely ''and'' would help each others' powers grow.

[[WMG: Phineas detests school.]]
After all, what's school known for? That's right, ''wasting time.'' Especially considering how advanced Phineas is, he undoubtedly finds being forced to sit in a classroom for hours at a time confined to the pace of his slower classmates excruciating. Which would explain why he's so desperate to take advantage of every day of summer--it's the only time he can truly move at his own pace and express himself.

[[WMG: Stacy learning of Perry's secret identity is what started the chain of events that lead her to becoming President of Uruguay.]]
We saw that in "Happy Birthday, Isabella" that Stacy became aware of Perry being a secret agent, as well as the OWCA to some extent. This troper hasn't heard the explanation from WordOfGod as to how she became president, but knowing that the creators have changed their minds on some things (like making Monty Vanessa's love interest instead of the explanation that she would get together with Ferb when they are both adults), and that they are just explaining jokes that people have looked into, it's possible that there could be another explanation. What could happen is that eventually, Stacy gets caught by Monogram, Carl or someone else working for the OWCA, and because she doesn't want her memories erased, she starts working for them. Eventually, she moves up the OWCA's ranks, and eventually gains a position of power. Eventually she decides to move into politics and then uses her status to become President of Uruguay... somehow.

[[WMG: Stacy will help Perry discreetly.]]
Rather than go on missions with Perry and risk OWCA finding out that Stacy knows that Perry is a Secret Agent, Stacy will help in other ways such as making sure that Phineas, Ferb, and Candace don't find out about Perry's secret.

[[WMG: Perry wants to make Stacy his successor so he can retire.]]
Perry wants to stop lying to the people he loves about who he really is, but he can't do that as long as he's with the agency. So he needs to find someone who can fill in for him.

[[WMG: Candace is expecting Amanda during the events of "Act Your Age".]]
Okay; bear with me a minute because this will take a bit. First off, I know someone is going to complain that this theory violates the whole "college, then kids" thing Candace mentioned; however since she's giving a dissertation, that would mean she's nearly finished with law school. Secondly, we never see her above the waist or full frame.

[[WMG: Fred Doofenshmirtz is the brother of Xavier Flynn because their mothers are married.]]

[[WMG: The bug trio seen in "Doof 101" and "The OWCA Files" will get larger roles in the future]]
Both their appearances involved them trying unsuccessfully to make contact with humans. Whether "The OWCA Files" becomes a spin-off [[note]]in which they form an alliance with Professor Parenthesis[[/note]] or the main series is brought back, they could be made into recurring characters and their actions would be a running gag.


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[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]

[[WMG:William Shatner's character from the Franchise/TwilightZone episode: Nightmare at 20,000 feet is the father or grandfather of Candace and Phineas.]]