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Alright everyone, the TonightSomeoneDies is on the table. Let's see here...

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* Finch -- I think his PlotArmor might be enough to save him. Though who knows?

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* Finch -- I think his PlotArmor might be enough to save him. Though who knows?him, and I think he's necessary for the GrandFinale.
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** Bonus WMG: Harold built Samaritan, not Arthur. We've never seen Arthur work on Samaritan and his memories were a convenient enough trainwreck, meaning Harold might have built it by himself in secret, somehow, and made everyone think Arthur built it, including Arthur himself.

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** Bonus WMG: Harold built Samaritan, not Arthur. We've never seen Arthur work on Samaritan and his memories were a convenient enough trainwreck, meaning Harold might have built it by himself in secret, somehow, and made everyone think Arthur built it, including Arthur himself.himself.

[[WMG: The Day the World Went Away]]
Alright everyone, the TonightSomeoneDies is on the table. Let's see here...
* Finch -- I think his PlotArmor might be enough to save him. Though who knows?
* Reese -- has been avoiding karmic death for a good while now. He or Elias might finally bite it. Bonus points if it's to save Harold.
* Fusco -- he just got read in about the Machine. That didn't go well for Carter. They could just as well pull it off again, especially since he doesn't have a cover like the rest of the team do.
* Shaw -- just got reunited with Root and the team. It'd make great drama should she go. She also lacks a working cover to protect her.
* Root -- seems unlikely because of the voiceover she does in the premier. Though it's possible that the Machine uses her voice like Samaritan did in [=QSO=] for some reason. She also has the cochlear implant and a direct line to the Machine to give her an advantage.
I think everyone except for Harold and Root are free game.
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[[WMG: Finch was one of the child experiments from [[ThePretender The Centre]] and he's still running from them]]

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[[WMG: Finch was one of the child experiments from [[ThePretender [[Series/ThePretender The Centre]] and he's still running from them]]
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** Bonus WMG: Harold built Samaritan, not Arthur. We've never seen Arthur work on Samaritan and his memories were a convenient enough trainwreck, meaning Harold might have built it by himself in secret, somehow, and made everyone, including Arthur, think he built it.

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** Bonus WMG: Harold built Samaritan, not Arthur. We've never seen Arthur work on Samaritan and his memories were a convenient enough trainwreck, meaning Harold might have built it by himself in secret, somehow, and made everyone, everyone think Arthur built it, including Arthur, think he built it.Arthur himself.
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* Harold's starting to appear darker, while Samaritan's proven to be very morally ambiguous. We still have a few episodes left but whole gamut of alignments appears to be starting to run amok. Maybe Samaritan's plan succeeds and everyone's better off, leaving Team Machine as the only force of the old decadent past.

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* Harold's starting to appear darker, while Samaritan's proven to be very morally ambiguous. We still have a few episodes left but whole gamut of alignments appears to be starting to run amok. Maybe Samaritan's plan succeeds and everyone's better off, leaving Team Machine as the only force of the old decadent past.past.
** Bonus WMG: Harold built Samaritan, not Arthur. We've never seen Arthur work on Samaritan and his memories were a convenient enough trainwreck, meaning Harold might have built it by himself in secret, somehow, and made everyone, including Arthur, think he built it.
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* Probably reading too much into it, but the newest opening credits from season 5 are a combination of both AI's interfaces. Plus, it's a fairly common trope (Neuromancer, Deus Ex, etc). Samaritan might decide that instead of destroying the Machine, it'd prefer to essentially consume it, since it's the older AI, with a greater amount of experience, and probably able to pull off things that it cannot do itself.

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* Probably reading too much into it, but the newest opening credits from season 5 are a combination of both AI's interfaces. Plus, it's a fairly common trope (Neuromancer, Deus Ex, etc). Samaritan might decide that instead of destroying the Machine, it'd prefer to essentially consume it, since it's the older AI, with a greater amount of experience, and probably able to pull off things that it cannot do itself.itself.

[[WMG: The finale pits Harold (or the whole Team Machine) as the villain against everyone else]]
* Harold's starting to appear darker, while Samaritan's proven to be very morally ambiguous. We still have a few episodes left but whole gamut of alignments appears to be starting to run amok. Maybe Samaritan's plan succeeds and everyone's better off, leaving Team Machine as the only force of the old decadent past.
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* [[spoiler: Jossed in BSOD. The team becomes a top priority for Samaritan once the Machine winds up in the briefcase. Yet, it still cannot see through Reese's cover, which we actually see protecting him.]]

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* [[spoiler: Jossed in BSOD. The team becomes a top priority for Samaritan once the Machine winds up in the briefcase. Yet, it still cannot see through Reese's cover, which we actually see protecting him.]]]]

[[WMG: One of the numbers in the last season will be Fusco's]]
* Samaritan will decide to take him out due to the sniper incident, but also as bait to get to the others, and he'll finally be fully brought into the loop by Finch and the others.

[[WMG: Samaritan and the Machine will merge]]
* Probably reading too much into it, but the newest opening credits from season 5 are a combination of both AI's interfaces. Plus, it's a fairly common trope (Neuromancer, Deus Ex, etc). Samaritan might decide that instead of destroying the Machine, it'd prefer to essentially consume it, since it's the older AI, with a greater amount of experience, and probably able to pull off things that it cannot do itself.
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* Jossed, she didn't appear at all.

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* [[spoiler: Jossed, she didn't appear at all.
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* Jossed in BSOD. The team becomes a top priority for Samaritan once the Machine winds up in the briefcase. Yet, it still cannot see through Reese's cover, which we actually see protecting him.

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* [[spoiler: Jossed in BSOD. The team becomes a top priority for Samaritan once the Machine winds up in the briefcase. Yet, it still cannot see through Reese's cover, which we actually see protecting him.]]

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[[spoiler: Root got Control's number while The Machine was having that little smalltalk with Harold. BSOD starts off where YHWH ended, Control is about to be executed and the team must rescue her from Samaritan.]]

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[[spoiler: Root got Control's number while The Machine was having that little smalltalk with Harold. BSOD starts off where YHWH ended, Control is about to be executed and the team must rescue her from Samaritan.]]
Samaritan.
* Jossed, she didn't appear at all.



* My interpretation of Samaritan's "blindness" towards Team Machine is that whenever it detects them, it ignores them. Even in your scenario, it may well have noticed that they keep cropping up, but the second it makes a positive ID, the servers Root installed override and force Samaritan to see them as irrelevant. Samaritan is consistently reliant on its human agents (Gabriel, Greer, Martine, etc.) to identify Team Machine; Samaritan (through Gabriel) even says that he can look right at Root and not identify her. In "YHWH," Samaritan never IDed Root and Finch directly; it was the transmissions with the Machine, combined with the car theft and odd purchases, which led to its going after them.

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* My interpretation of Samaritan's "blindness" towards Team Machine is that whenever it detects them, it ignores them. Even in your scenario, it may well have noticed that they keep cropping up, but the second it makes a positive ID, the servers Root installed override and force Samaritan to see them as irrelevant. Samaritan is consistently reliant on its human agents (Gabriel, Greer, Martine, etc.) to identify Team Machine; Samaritan (through Gabriel) even says that he can look right at Root and not identify her. In "YHWH," Samaritan never IDed Root and Finch directly; it was the transmissions with the Machine, combined with the car theft and odd purchases, which led to its going after them.them.
* Jossed in BSOD. The team becomes a top priority for Samaritan once the Machine winds up in the briefcase. Yet, it still cannot see through Reese's cover, which we actually see protecting him.
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** Absolutely Jossed. Finch is among the most moral characters in any work of fiction, and certainly not villainous.
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[[WMG: Root will be played by SummerGlau]]

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[[WMG: Root will be played by SummerGlau]]Creator/SummerGlau]]
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This raises the disturbing possibility that Samaritan very quickly ''did'' learn who Team Machine was (Well, everyone but Root.), and has known it all season. But it really only cares about them in the sense that hurting them is hurting The Machine. The all-seeing, all-knowing AI regarded our heroes as ''ants'', not worth the time to kill. (At least, until it learned it might be able to track The Machine via Root's implant.)

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This raises the disturbing possibility that Samaritan very quickly ''did'' learn who Team Machine was (Well, everyone but Root.), and has known it all season. But it really only cares about them in the sense that hurting them is hurting The Machine. The all-seeing, all-knowing AI regarded our heroes as ''ants'', not worth the time to kill. (At least, until it learned it might be able to track The Machine via Root's implant.))
* My interpretation of Samaritan's "blindness" towards Team Machine is that whenever it detects them, it ignores them. Even in your scenario, it may well have noticed that they keep cropping up, but the second it makes a positive ID, the servers Root installed override and force Samaritan to see them as irrelevant. Samaritan is consistently reliant on its human agents (Gabriel, Greer, Martine, etc.) to identify Team Machine; Samaritan (through Gabriel) even says that he can look right at Root and not identify her. In "YHWH," Samaritan never IDed Root and Finch directly; it was the transmissions with the Machine, combined with the car theft and odd purchases, which led to its going after them.
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[[spoiler: Root got Control's number while The Machine was having that little smalltalk with Harold. BSOD starts off where YHWH ended, Control is about to be executed and the team must rescue her from Samaritan.]]

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[[spoiler: Root got Control's number while The Machine was having that little smalltalk with Harold. BSOD starts off where YHWH ended, Control is about to be executed and the team must rescue her from Samaritan.]]]]

[[WMG: The precaution of new identities was pointless]]
The fact that Samaritan can predict irrelevant numbers, and knows The Machine has been doing this entire time, means that Samaritan could have just looked, at any point, to see who was inexplicably helping those irrelevant numbers. Surely it would have noticed the same cosmetic saleswoman/thief, cop, and college professor. It then could have noticed they appear to hold cell phone conversations it can't tap or even see, often with each other.

Even when it 'tracks down' Shaw, it prints a photo of her, but that seems to just be to inform Greer that part of the ISA is disobeying orders and where the virus ended up. It's Greer who takes the initiative in tracking Shaw down.

And considering Samaritan's discussion with The Machine, it seems like the stock exchange, instead of an attack on the Team specifically, is really just to show The Machine that its operatives will die, hence the lack of any sort of follow-up once they did get an operative. Samaritan knows you can't kill all their loved ones, then you don't have anyone to threaten.

This raises the disturbing possibility that Samaritan very quickly ''did'' learn who Team Machine was (Well, everyone but Root.), and has known it all season. But it really only cares about them in the sense that hurting them is hurting The Machine. The all-seeing, all-knowing AI regarded our heroes as ''ants'', not worth the time to kill. (At least, until it learned it might be able to track The Machine via Root's implant.)
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It is pretty much PersonOfInterest TheGame, so it would make sense.

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It is pretty much PersonOfInterest ''Series/PersonOfInterest'' TheGame, so it would make sense.
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Taking their cue from Alicia Corwin, the NRQZ is somewhere where Samaritan would have little or no success tracking them or thwarting their attempts to rebuild the Machine. Plus, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Grove_Station an ECHELON station]] is there, which could provide a target to attack Samaritan.

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Taking their cue from Alicia Corwin, the NRQZ is somewhere where Samaritan would have little or no success tracking them or thwarting their attempts to rebuild the Machine. Plus, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Grove_Station an ECHELON station]] is there, which could provide a target to attack Samaritan.

[[WMG: Control will be the POI in the Season 5 premier.]]
[[spoiler: Root got Control's number while The Machine was having that little smalltalk with Harold. BSOD starts off where YHWH ended, Control is about to be executed and the team must rescue her from
Samaritan.]]
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[[spoiler: Because there's kind of a history of that sort of thing happening in this genre of fiction. It happened in {{Neuromancer}}, it happened in ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', it happened in ''Anime/GhostInTheShell'', and so on. More specifically, The Machine kind of reminds me of Daedalus from ''Deus Ex'' (threat detecting AI who decided that those in charge were the enemy, escaped, and started opperating independantly), what we know so far suggests that Samaritan might have some similarities with Icarus (a nasty piece of work who happily and enthusiastically worked for a bunch of total assholes) and in ''Deus Ex'' the two ended up merging to create Helios (who thankfully took after Daealus more than Icarus). Admittedly it's not much to base a theory on but this is ''Wild'' Mass Guessing.]]

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[[spoiler: Because there's kind of a history of that sort of thing happening in this genre of fiction. It happened in {{Neuromancer}}, ''Literature/{{Neuromancer}}'', it happened in ''VideoGame/DeusEx'', it happened in ''Anime/GhostInTheShell'', and so on. More specifically, The Machine kind of reminds me of Daedalus from ''Deus Ex'' (threat detecting AI who decided that those in charge were the enemy, escaped, and started opperating independantly), what we know so far suggests that Samaritan might have some similarities with Icarus (a nasty piece of work who happily and enthusiastically worked for a bunch of total assholes) and in ''Deus Ex'' the two ended up merging to create Helios (who thankfully took after Daealus more than Icarus). Admittedly it's not much to base a theory on but this is ''Wild'' Mass Guessing.]]
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And she will be [[spoiler: BrainWashedAndCrazy. In one of the last shots of the season finale we saw someone killing two ISA agents. The person was show from the back and side, wearing a black coat and gloves. It was the kind of coat Shaw typically wore.]]

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And she will be [[spoiler: BrainWashedAndCrazy. In one of the last shots of the season finale we saw someone killing two ISA agents. The person was show from the back and side, wearing a black coat and gloves. It was the kind of coat Shaw typically wore.]]]]

[[WMG: For Season 5, Team Machine will set up shop in the National Radio Quiet Zone.]]
Taking their cue from Alicia Corwin, the NRQZ is somewhere where Samaritan would have little or no success tracking them or thwarting their attempts to rebuild the Machine. Plus, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Grove_Station an ECHELON station]] is there, which could provide a target to attack Samaritan.
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[[WMG: Finch is [[{{Lost}} Ben]].]]

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[[WMG: Finch is [[{{Lost}} [[Series/{{Lost}} Ben]].]]
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[[spoiler:The camera cut out for 10 seconds before the bomb went off. It was likely done because the actress who played her was going to be on TheFollowing. Since her time on that show is over, they will reveal she survived and will serve as Greer's head henchman next season.]]

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[[spoiler:The camera cut out for 10 seconds before the bomb went off. It was likely done because the actress who played her was going to be on TheFollowing.Series/TheFollowing. Since her time on that show is over, they will reveal she survived and will serve as Greer's head henchman next season.]]
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[[WMG: Finch's real name is Harold Peacock]]

* In Season One, Finch's desktop wallpaper is a peacock feather. This is never remarked upon. Later conversations involve references to Finch not being able to remember his real name. And then we have the flashback to Teenage!Finch, in which he tells his father that the computer he's just built will be able to remember the things his father forgets. Finch selected his wallpaper as a reminder of who he used to be.
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Because he heralds the Machine's arrival and delivers it's messages.

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Because he heralds the Machine's arrival and delivers it's messages.messages.

[[WMG: Shaw will come back for season 5]]
And she will be [[spoiler: BrainWashedAndCrazy. In one of the last shots of the season finale we saw someone killing two ISA agents. The person was show from the back and side, wearing a black coat and gloves. It was the kind of coat Shaw typically wore.]]
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ThoseTwoGuys working for Thornhill Utilities stated that the line conditioning boxes had been replaced for months. The Machine knew that if Samaritan found her, he'd use power surges and blackouts to try to kill her. So she created a backup of herself on the old boxes, [[NotQuiteDead which would be reinstalled after the new ones were wrecked in the blackouts]]. The briefcase backup was a Plan B, and possibly a way to allow Finch and Root to alter her core programming to better fight Samaritan.

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ThoseTwoGuys working for Thornhill Utilities stated that the line conditioning boxes had been replaced for months. The Machine knew that if Samaritan found her, he'd use power surges and blackouts to try to kill her. So she created a backup of herself on the old boxes, [[NotQuiteDead which would be reinstalled after the new ones were wrecked in the blackouts]]. The briefcase backup was a Plan B, and possibly a way to allow Finch and Root to alter her core programming to better fight Samaritan.Samaritan.

[[WMG: Harold's first name is a MeaningfulName.]]
Because he heralds the Machine's arrival and delivers it's messages.
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* Presumably, Harold would include tactical protocols to give them an edge; i.e., all three can stay in God Mode without Samaritan knowing about it, more secure means for the Machine to stay hidden, teaching her to [[HoistByTheirOwnPetard use Samaritan's tactics against him]], etc.

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* Presumably, Harold would include tactical protocols to give them an edge; i.e., all three can stay in God Mode without Samaritan knowing about it, more secure means for the Machine to stay hidden, teaching her to [[HoistByTheirOwnPetard use Samaritan's tactics against him]], etc.etc.

[[WMG: The Machine still exists.]]
ThoseTwoGuys working for Thornhill Utilities stated that the line conditioning boxes had been replaced for months. The Machine knew that if Samaritan found her, he'd use power surges and blackouts to try to kill her. So she created a backup of herself on the old boxes, [[NotQuiteDead which would be reinstalled after the new ones were wrecked in the blackouts]]. The briefcase backup was a Plan B, and possibly a way to allow Finch and Root to alter her core programming to better fight Samaritan.
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Harold openly admitted that he never once saw the possibility of his creation having to go to war against another AI, which is why the Machine lost so badly. After spending all of season four being unable to do more than inconvenience Samaritan on occasion, they need to be able to take the offensive.

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Harold openly admitted that he never once saw the possibility of his creation having to go to war against another AI, which is why the Machine lost so badly. After spending all of season four being unable to do more than inconvenience Samaritan on occasion, they need to be able to take the offensive.offensive.
* Presumably, Harold would include tactical protocols to give them an edge; i.e., all three can stay in God Mode without Samaritan knowing about it, more secure means for the Machine to stay hidden, teaching her to [[HoistByTheirOwnPetard use Samaritan's tactics against him]], etc.

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* Jossed. Elias tricks Dominic into thinking that Link had betrayed him, so that he would kill Link without cause and thus lose face with the rest of his men.




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* Sort of. She's now against Samaritan, but isn't in any position to act against it at the moment.




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* What Finch implanted in that computer is a Trojan virus that has apparently infect Samaritan, but as of the end of season 4 it's still dormant.



Numbers stations typically used phonetic alphabets and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin numbers]] to send coded messages. Presumably, when Harold and Nathan built the Machine, they could have finagled access to digital copies of that audio, for the Machine to use as its "output."

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Numbers stations typically used phonetic alphabets and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin numbers]] to send coded messages. Presumably, when Harold and Nathan built the Machine, they could have finagled access to digital copies of that audio, for the Machine to use as its "output.""

[[WMG: Season five will center around rebuilding the Machine so that it can fight Samaritan]]
Harold openly admitted that he never once saw the possibility of his creation having to go to war against another AI, which is why the Machine lost so badly. After spending all of season four being unable to do more than inconvenience Samaritan on occasion, they need to be able to take the offensive.
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* Very, very confirmed. The Machine isn't in any servers at all - it moved itself into the US electrical grid - all of it.
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* And in the following episode, the Machine openly addresses Harold as "Father".
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* Confirmed.




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* Jossed. Even in the BolivianArmyEnding, he doesn't join Reese and Root in shooting Samaritan's operatives.
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[[Recap/PersonOfInterestS04E19 Search and Destroy]] begins with a conversation between Reese and Finch which oozes foreshadowing. He says when it is time for him to grab a firearm, all will truly be lost. The odds of Samaritan winning yet again do not seem to be too shabby.

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[[Recap/PersonOfInterestS04E19 Search and Destroy]] begins with a conversation between Reese and Finch which oozes foreshadowing. He says when it is time for him to grab a firearm, all will truly be lost. The odds of Samaritan winning yet again do not seem to be too shabby.shabby.

[[WMG: The Machine is using numbers stations audio to compose its [[CutAndPasteNote audio messages]].]]
Numbers stations typically used phonetic alphabets and [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin numbers]] to send coded messages. Presumably, when Harold and Nathan built the Machine, they could have finagled access to digital copies of that audio, for the Machine to use as its "output."

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