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Jerry Blau seems to come out of nowhere in Episode 6 so having him be Dickie's biological father would allow him to play a larger role than just giving Oliver exposition that the audience already knows about.
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Jerry Blau seems to come out of nowhere in Episode 6 6, so having him be Dickie's biological father would allow him to play a larger role than just giving Oliver exposition that the audience already knows about.
* Likely jossed. Loretta never identifies Dicky's biological father (only that he was someone involved in auditioning and production), and Jerry mentions a male partner.
* Likely jossed. Loretta never identifies Dicky's biological father (only that he was someone involved in auditioning and production), and Jerry mentions a male partner.
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Sazz will in fact be severely injured/in a coma, and the season will derive tension from the trio having to find the culprit before they realize she's alive/it wasn't Charles (depending on who the intended target was), which will also give the show a chance to pull off something new to keep things fresh.
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Sazz will in fact be severely injured/in a coma, and the season will derive tension from the trio having to find the culprit before they realize she's alive/it wasn't Charles (depending on who the intended target was), which will also give the show a chance to pull off something put a new spin on the formula to keep things fresh.
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[[WMG: They will flip the script.]]
This time, they know who the murder is from the beginning, but need to prove it by scavenging clues.
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[[WMG: They will flip the script.]]
This time, they know who the murder is from the beginning, but need to prove it by scavenging clues.
This time, they know who the murder is from the beginning, but need to prove it by scavenging clues.
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** Theo had a small apartment near train tracks in Season 2. Pressumedly, Teddy's apartment was seized after he was arrested. After all, he had some unexplained (i.E. the stolen jewelery) income.
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[[WMG: They will flip the script.]]
This time, they know who the murder is from the beginning, but need to prove it by scavenging clues.
This time, they know who the murder is from the beginning, but need to prove it by scavenging clues.
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Sazz will in fact be severely injured/in a coma, and the season will derive tension from the trio having to find the culprit before they realize she's alive/it wasn't Charles (depending on who the intended target was), which will also give the show a chance to pull off SomethingCompletelyDifferent to keep things fresh.
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Sazz will in fact be severely injured/in a coma, and the season will derive tension from the trio having to find the culprit before they realize she's alive/it wasn't Charles (depending on who the intended target was), which will also give the show a chance to pull off SomethingCompletelyDifferent something new to keep things fresh.
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[[WMG: Sazz will ''not'' die]]
Sazz will in fact be severely injured/in a coma, and the season will derive tension from the trio having to find the culprit before they realize she's alive/it wasn't Charles (depending on who the intended target was), which will also give the show a chance to pull off SomethingCompletelyDifferent to keep things fresh.
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[[WMG: Within the story of ''Death Rattle'', the Nanny is meant to be the primary RedHerring.]]
The last song of the musical starts with the detective seemingly incapacitated and the Nanny singing about her willingness to kill. This suggests that at this point in the story, the audience is meant to assume that she is the killer, until the truth is revealed. This makes a nice parallel with Loretta's role in the actual murder plot of the season.
The last song of the musical starts with the detective seemingly incapacitated and the Nanny singing about her willingness to kill. This suggests that at this point in the story, the audience is meant to assume that she is the killer, until the truth is revealed. This makes a nice parallel with Loretta's role in the actual murder plot of the season.
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* Jossed: Jonathan replaces Ben.
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* Jossed: Jonathan replaces Ben.
Ben. [[spoiler:Who is than replaced by Oliver when Jonathan drugs himself.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Sazz was the intended target]]]]
[[spoiler:It's easy to assume that Sazz was killed due to a case of mistaken identity. But given that this show loves it's red herrings, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned out the shooter wasn't trying to kill Charles and was instead going for Sazz the entire time]].
[[spoiler:It's easy to assume that Sazz was killed due to a case of mistaken identity. But given that this show loves it's red herrings, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned out the shooter wasn't trying to kill Charles and was instead going for Sazz the entire time]].
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Sazz Sazz was the intended target]]]]
[[spoiler:It'starget]]
It's easy to assume that Sazz was killed due to a case of mistaken identity. But given that this show loves it's red herrings, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned out the shooter wasn't trying to kill Charles and was instead going for Sazz the entiretime]].
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[[WMG: Death Rattle was written by the late [[Film/KnivesOut Harlan Thrombey]].]]
Any author who could create a cow with a shotgun is capable of creating a murder mystery with a baby as the prime suspect.
Any author who could create a cow with a shotgun is capable of creating a murder mystery with a baby as the prime suspect.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Sazz was the intended target]]]]
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[[WMG: Howard incapacitated Jonathan to steal his role.]]
Jonathan has apparently been self-medicating for his nerves, but he's been able to perform fine on every other occasion. Until opening night, when we don't see Jonathan passed out, but Howard simply tells Oliver that Jonathan isn't able to perform. This happened because Howard intervened, either directly through drugging or indirectly through psychological manipulation and caused him to be unable to get on stage. When Howard arrives in the dressing room, he's gleeful, with no concern for Jonathan at all. This is because he planned the whole situation to steal the lead role, and only his BeneathSuspicion nature stopped Oliver from giving it to him (and taking it himself).
Jonathan has apparently been self-medicating for his nerves, but he's been able to perform fine on every other occasion. Until opening night, when we don't see Jonathan passed out, but Howard simply tells Oliver that Jonathan isn't able to perform. This happened because Howard intervened, either directly through drugging or indirectly through psychological manipulation and caused him to be unable to get on stage. When Howard arrives in the dressing room, he's gleeful, with no concern for Jonathan at all. This is because he planned the whole situation to steal the lead role, and only his BeneathSuspicion nature stopped Oliver from giving it to him (and taking it himself).
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[[WMG: Will will try to bond with Theo in Season 3.]]
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[[WMG: Will will try to bond with Theo in Season 3.4.]]
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[[WMG: In S4, Theo and Mabel will be living in Teddy's apartment full-time.]]
Mabel is crashing in Theo's apartment for now, presumably Teddy's apartment in the Arconia while he's in prison. She'll still be there in Season 4.
[[WMG: Teddy will be back this season.]]
Potentially as a suspect in Sazz's death, since he may be out of prison and out for revenge. But he'll be back in general.
[[WMG: Mabel will live with Charles.]]
Mabel is hyper-vigilant, while Charles is neither handy in a fight nor especially danger-conscious. Charles and Mabel will respond to Sazz's death by moving in together, so that Mabel can stand guard and keep an eye out if anything else happens.
Mabel is crashing in Theo's apartment for now, presumably Teddy's apartment in the Arconia while he's in prison. She'll still be there in Season 4.
[[WMG: Teddy will be back this season.]]
Potentially as a suspect in Sazz's death, since he may be out of prison and out for revenge. But he'll be back in general.
[[WMG: Mabel will live with Charles.]]
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[[WMG: Creator/HughJackman will be the penthouse occupant.]]
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[[WMG: Scott Bakula will appear in Season 4.]]
Joy is supposedly shacking up with Bakula now, and as a talented singer and actor it would make sense for him to appear in one of Oliver's musicals. He could be an AdamWesting rival to Charles and teased as a possible suspect a la Sting.
Joy is supposedly shacking up with Bakula now, and as a talented singer and actor it would make sense for him to appear in one of Oliver's musicals. He could be an AdamWesting rival to Charles and teased as a possible suspect a la Sting.
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[[WMG: Jan will appear in the season.]]
Charles will probably have to break the news of Sazz's death to her, and he might even consider the possibility that Jan somehow had her killed from prison.
Charles will probably have to break the news of Sazz's death to her, and he might even consider the possibility that Jan somehow had her killed from prison.
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Episode 9 confirms the poisoning was an attempted murder and Episode 10 shows that the fall down the elevator, while not pre-meditated, was still a murder.]]
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Episode 9 confirms the poisoning was an attempted murder and Episode 10 shows that the fall down the elevator, while not pre-meditated, was still a murder.murder. Donna claims the poisoning was done to make Ben too sick to do the show rather than outright kill him.]]
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Episode 9 confirms the poisoning was an attempted murder and Episode 10 shows that the fall down the elevator was not pre-meditated.]]
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Ben was poisoned by Donna who had neither motive nor opportunity to poison Winnie.]]
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Teddy was absent from Season 3 and Sazz is the victim for Season 4.]]
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* Jossed: [[spoiler:Ben was poisoned by Donna and pushed to his death by Cliff, the producers of Death Rattle.]]
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[[WMG: Charles was the real target.]]
It was dark in Charles' apartment so it was easy for the killer to mistake Charles' stunt double Sazz for him.
[[WMG: Sazz was going to tell Charles that someone was after him.]]
Before leaving the afterparty, Sazz says she has to talk to Charles about a sensitive topic. Somehow she learned that someone is threatening to kill Charles. Also, the final shot of Season 3 shows her trying to write something in her own blood, possibly the killer's name.
It was dark in Charles' apartment so it was easy for the killer to mistake Charles' stunt double Sazz for him.
[[WMG: Sazz was going to tell Charles that someone was after him.]]
Before leaving the afterparty, Sazz says she has to talk to Charles about a sensitive topic. Somehow she learned that someone is threatening to kill Charles. Also, the final shot of Season 3 shows her trying to write something in her own blood, possibly the killer's name.
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*Jossed. It's Sazz.
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[[folder: Season 4]]
4 (SPOILERS for Season 3)]]
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[[WMG: Will will try to bond with Theo in Season 3.]]
Theo's return has been confirmed and Season 2 ended with Will finding out that Teddy is his real father. Though Will clearly views Oliver as his father, Will will still show an interest in getting to know his half-brother.
Theo's return has been confirmed and Season 2 ended with Will finding out that Teddy is his real father. Though Will clearly views Oliver as his father, Will will still show an interest in getting to know his half-brother.
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[[WMG: The next murder victim will be...]]
A cold case. The Arconia bosses will discover a skeleton when fixing the elevator after Ben's death, and the trio will investigate in Season 4.
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[[WMG: The next murder victim will be...]]
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[[WMG: Will will try to bond with Theo in Season 3.]]
Theo's return has been confirmed and Season 2 ended with Will finding out that Teddy is his real father. Though Will clearly views Oliver as his father, Will will still show an interest in getting to know his half-brother.
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[[WMG: The next murder victim will be...]]
A cold case. The Arconia bosses will discover a skeleton when fixing the elevator after Ben's death, and the trio will investigate in Season 4.
[[WMG: Will will try to bond with Theo in Season 3.]]
Theo's return has been confirmed and Season 2 ended with Will finding out that Teddy is his real father. Though Will clearly views Oliver as his father, Will will still show an interest in getting to know his half-brother.
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Whether she's the "Moriarty" or not, Sazz is going to turn out to be bad. She is confirmed to be dating Jan since she broke up with Jan for Charles. She also mentions that she does hard things for Charles so he doesn't have to, and there are aspects of Charles's life he doesn't remember (like firing Ben). That's going to turn out to be Sazz, either trying to villainously "help" Charles, or as a PoisonousFriend.
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Whether she's the "Moriarty" or not, Sazz is going to turn out to be bad. She is confirmed to be dating Jan since she broke up with Jan for Charles. She also mentions that she does hard things for Charles so he doesn't have to, and there are aspects of Charles's life he doesn't remember (like firing Ben). That's going to turn out to be Sazz, either trying to villainously "help" Charles, or as a PoisonousFriend.ToxicFriendInfluence.
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Hence him using "Bloody Mabel" (which was how Cinda also encouraged Mabel to market herself).
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[[WMG: The next murder victim will be...]]
A cold case. The Arconia bosses will discover a skeleton when fixing the elevator after Ben's death, and the trio will investigate in Season 4.
The theme of Season 3 is mothers protecting children. Donna poisoning Ben fits with that, but the ultimate solution is the reverse. Ben figured out that Donna poisoned him, and told Cliff he'd ruin her. Cliff pushed him down the elevator shaft to stop that from happening.
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* Jossed
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[[WMG: Jerry Blau is Dickie's father]]
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[[WMG: Donna poisoned Ben but Tobert pushed him down the elevator shaft.]]
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Ben was most likely pushed by whoever called him at the afterparty. Donna was present so she could not have made the call. Tobert is the only major character who was not at the party and has a motive for murder (being unceremoniously fired).
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*** Semi-confirmed: [[spoiler:He is Loretta's son but it's unknown if he killed Ben or not.]]
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*** Jossed: [[spoiler:He was poisoned at the theater.]]
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*** Jossed: [[spoiler:Mabel is not getting married. She wore the dress to get into Loretta's arraignment.]]
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** Confirmed.
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** Jossed: [[spoiler:There is no wedding.]]
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