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29th Oct '15 11:40:58 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* Thus, Mulan is a exploration of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms. ** Listen to the lyrics in "Reflection". She sings of rejecting her gentle lamb self and how she feels she isn't meant to "play the part" of the bride. Keep in mind all this was before the conscription notices were passed out.
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* Thus, Mulan is a exploration of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms. ** paradigms. Listen to the lyrics in "Reflection". She sings of rejecting her gentle lamb self and how she feels she isn't meant to "play the part" of the bride. Keep in mind all this was before the conscription notices were passed out.

** That would also explain why the ancestor didn't act suspicious about Mushu's PaperThinDisguise when he was holding up the statue's head and pretending he was the Great Stone Dragon.
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** That * This would also explain why the ancestor didn't act suspicious about Mushu's PaperThinDisguise when he was holding up the statue's head and pretending he was the Great Stone Dragon.

Related to the above. She might've gone home, passed her matchmaker test fairly this time with her newly earned discipline and is betrothed to Shang. Shang begins to think his new bride looks awfully familiar...
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Related to the above. She might've gone home, passed her matchmaker test fairly this time with her newly earned discipline and is betrothed to Shang. Shang begins to think his new bride looks awfully familiar...

No guesses why. * Or they'll nane their first child Ping regardless of the sex; it ''is'' a fairly androgynous name, depending on the characters used.
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No guesses why. * Or they'll nane their first child Ping regardless Regardless of the sex; it ''is'' a fairly androgynous name, depending on the characters used.

How else would it have survived?
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How else would it have survived? survived? It's also how Shan Yu was able to pop out of the snow, "like a daisy!"

* That makes perfect sense. Warhorses required a great deal of time and effort to train so they wouldn't panic under the conditions on a battlefield, and could be very expensive as a result. Considering how badly Fa Zhou was injured in the last war, they would probably not buy a new warhorse to replace the old one when it died, as there would be no real need. Then when you compare how long horses live on average and when the last war took place, this idea makes the most sense.
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* That makes perfect sense. Warhorses Additionally, warhorses required a great deal of time and effort to train so they wouldn't panic under the conditions on a battlefield, and could be very expensive as a result. Considering how badly Fa Zhou was injured in the last war, they would probably not buy a new warhorse to replace the old one when it died, as there would be no real need. Then when you compare how long horses live on average and when the last war took place, this idea makes the most sense.

It seems odd that Mulan is an only child, plus an only daughter, in a society where women are pressured to bear sons. Also, both her parents look considerably older than her, I'd say 50 something while she's in her early 20's if that old. Possibly, Li had a lot of miscarriages or kids that got sick and died before she had Mulan. It's also quite likely that a young Mulan asked for a little brother (possibly too young to know how babies were made at the time) and her parents, rather than go through the heartbreak of another miscarriage, decided to get her a puppy instead. That would be the dog called Little Brother.
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It seems odd that Mulan is an only child, plus an only daughter, in a society where women are pressured to bear sons. Also, both her parents look considerably older than her, I'd say 50 something while she's in her early 20's if that old. Possibly, Li had a lot of miscarriages or kids that got sick and died before she had Mulan. It's also quite likely that a young Mulan asked for a little brother (possibly too young to know how babies were made at the time) and her parents, rather than go through the heartbreak of another miscarriage, decided to get her a puppy instead. That would be the dog called Little Brother.

[[WMG: The "girl back home who's not like any other"? [[DotingParent Chi-Fu's]] [[MilitaryBrat daughter]].]]
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[[WMG: The "girl back home who's not like any other"? [[DotingParent Chi-Fu's]] [[MilitaryBrat Chi-Fu's daughter]].]]

Recall the "I'll Make A Man Out Of You" sequence, where Shang brings in the weights that are so heavy they more or less immobilize everyone who puts them on. Notice that Chi-Fu is carrying the box containing them, and it only mildly troubles him. Calling it now, Chi-Fu could have won the war by himself had he actually given a shit, and he only acts the way he does in the movie because he wants to know what this strange feeling called "cowardice" feels like.
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Recall the "I'll Make A Man Out Of You" sequence, where Shang brings in the weights that are so heavy they more or less immobilize everyone who puts them on. Notice that Chi-Fu is carrying the box containing them, and it only mildly troubles him. Calling it now, Chi-Fu could have won the war by himself had he actually given a shit, and he only acts the way he does in the movie because he wants to know what this strange feeling called "cowardice" feels like.

Seriously. Take a good look at Shan-Yu...where else could Lucas possibly have gotten the idea for Darth Maul's/Sidious'/Vader's Sith eyes? [[WMG: The Cricket actually was lucky.]] If the meeting with the matchmaker had gone well chances are Mulan would have been too busy, by hook or crook, with her wedding arrangements. Only through the crickets interventions she was in the right place and time to overhear the military call, to decide to go in her fathers place, and thus set the movie proper in action. Her momentary bad luck, led to future fortune.
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Seriously. Take a good look at Shan-Yu...where else could Lucas possibly have gotten the idea for Darth Maul's/Sidious'/Vader's Sith eyes? [[WMG: The Cricket actually was really is lucky.]] If the meeting with the matchmaker had gone well chances are Mulan would have been too busy, by hook or crook, with her wedding arrangements. Only through the crickets cricket's interventions she was in the right place and time to overhear the military call, to decide to go in her fathers father's place, and thus set the movie proper in action. Her momentary bad luck, led to future fortune.
31st Aug '15 1:39:03 PM ChaoticNovelist
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But not for the reasons you're probably thinking. If the meeting with the matchmaker had gone well chances are Mulan would have been too busy, by hook or crook, with her wedding arrangements. Only through the crickets interventions she was in the right place and time to overhear the military call, to decide to go in her fathers place, and thus set the movie proper in action. her momentary bad luck, led to future fortune.
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But not for the reasons you're probably thinking. If the meeting with the matchmaker had gone well chances are Mulan would have been too busy, by hook or crook, with her wedding arrangements. Only through the crickets interventions she was in the right place and time to overhear the military call, to decide to go in her fathers place, and thus set the movie proper in action. her Her momentary bad luck, led to future fortune.
29th Aug '15 3:41:53 PM Toli
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[[WMG: The Cricket actually was lucky.]] But not for the reasons you're probably thinking. If the meeting with the matchmaker had gone well chances are Mulan would have been too busy, by hook or crook, with her wedding arrangements. Only through the crickets interventions she was in the right place and time to overhear the military call, to decide to go in her fathers place, and thus set the movie proper in action. her momentary bad luck, led to future fortune.
24th Aug '15 10:00:49 AM ChaoticNovelist
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By only a speck of blood from mllenia ago, so it's not realy incest. ** You mean the whole 'my great great great great grandad was your great great great great grandad's brother' sort of thing?
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By only a speck of blood from mllenia ago, so it's not realy incest. ** You mean the whole incest. It's like that 'my great great great great grandad was your great great great great grandad's brother' sort of thing? thing.

It would explain why he's so effeminate, and why he's always so angry. * Well... Given how the vast majority of the emperor's male servants would have been eunuchs (if we're actually [[AnachronismStew going for historical accuracy]], anyway)... Not only does this theory explain a lot about Chi Fu, it has basis in fact, too!
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It would explain why he's so effeminate, and why he's always so angry. * Well...angry. Given how the vast majority of the emperor's male servants would have been eunuchs (if we're actually [[AnachronismStew going for historical accuracy]], anyway)... Not only does this theory explain a lot about Chi Fu, it has basis in fact, too!
23rd Aug '15 9:23:34 PM washington213
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** Listen to the lyrics in "Reflection". She sings of rejecting her gentle lamb self and how she feels she isn't meant to "play the part" of the bride. Keep in mind all this was before the conscription notices were passed out.
5th Mar '15 6:55:29 AM Movienut376
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[[WMG: George Lucas is a fan.]] Seriously. Take a good look at Shan-Yu...where else could Lucas possibly have gotten the idea for Darth Maul's/Sidious'/Vader's Sith eyes?
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%%%% %%% This is not a forum. Do not reply to posts. It is also not a place for troper tales. %%%% %%%% %%% %%% [[WMG: Shang was angry at Mulan after TheReveal not because of honor, but because he is gay.]] "Ping" just saved his life. There had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]]. He was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. * Think about the fact that this is one of the few Disney animated films in which The Heroine does not share a kiss with The Guy/Hero, not to mention that Shang is the only major protagonist that doesn't sing any lines in "A Girl Worth Fighting For". * He could be bisexual or something similar. Old China was generally more tolerant of bi/homosexual behavior than Christian dominated Europe (at least of the men - provided they fulfilled their social commitments to family), so it's not too much of stretch to hypothesize Shang might have been treading along the more ambiguous tiers of the Kinsey scale. It's Mulan/Ping's actions and personal qualities that forged a bond between them, not her gender. It could certainly make some interesting fiction if properly explored.
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%%%% %%% This is not a forum. Do not reply to posts. It is also not a place for troper tales. %%%% %%%% %%% %%% [[WMG: Shang [[GymBunny Shang]] was angry at Mulan after TheReveal not because of honor, but because he is gay.]] "Ping" just saved his life. There life, there had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl pretty much [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]]. He heart]], and he was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. * Think identity. And the film does not explicitly show them hooking up. Instead, [[ShortTank Mulan]] and Shang become PlatonicLifePartners. ** This is shown to be false by the sequel. ** [[FridgeBrilliance ...what if you don't count Disney sequels as canon?]] And although this troper hates to defend that atrocity of a sequel, even if Shang ''was'' gay, it only takes you to believe in the "Mulan is transgender" theory for the relationship to work. ** This makes so much sense. Also think about the fact that this is one of the few Disney animated films in which The Heroine does not share a kiss with The Guy/Hero, not to mention that Shang is the only major protagonist that doesn't sing any lines in "A Girl Worth Fighting For". * ** [[RunningGag OBJECT]][[LampshadeHanging ION]], you canned your own argument because them being PlatonicLifePartners means that Shang is straight or bi, not to mention they bear a fire forged bond (besides, after what she did, what straight dude wouldn't want her?) *** Trope names =/= trope meanings. *** For those just joining us, PlatonicLifePartners was once "The Straight Will And Grace". ** This doesn't quite fit with how twitterpated he's acting at the end. Seems he's plenty into Mulan as a girl. ** Well, there's plenty going on to justify Shang's anger - the deception, as well as the difficult choice of whether to uphold the law. Not to mention that he had very recently suffered a serious personal loss along with the horror of the Chinese army's defeat. Emotions were running pretty high. This doesn't necessarily undermine the theory on principle, though he doesn't necessarily have to be gay to be attracted to "Ping." He could be bisexual or something similar. Old China was generally more tolerant of bi/homosexual behavior than Christian dominated Europe (at least of the men - provided they fulfilled their social commitments to family), so it's not too much of stretch to hypothesize Shang might have been treading along the more ambiguous tiers of the Kinsey scale. It's Mulan/Ping's actions and personal qualities that forged a bond between them, not her gender. It could certainly make some interesting fiction if properly explored. ** Maybe he was straight, got all hard for ping (if only because of random female pharemone showing up around him) , and when he finally began accpeting he may be a little gay, had a wet Ping involved dream, liked it, decided he may be a little gay, then found out Ping is a woman ANDOHMYFUCK AM I GAYANYWAY?!?!?!?! Moment. Immediatly after his dad died. ** Maybe Shang IS gay, but has an IfItsYouItsOkay thing when he finds out Mulan is a woman. ** Shang is Mulansexual! ** I always saw it that he was not gay, per say, but that he DID develop feelings for Ping, which he tried to deny to himself. When he discovered Mulan was indeed a girl, that made his feelings traditionally "acceptable" (not necessarily in real ancient China but at least in the world of this movie, where the other soldiers sang about the women they wanted to cook for them and fawn over them) but would also make him admit he fell in love with someone he thought was a man. So he had anger, which he unfairly directed at Mulan, for his complicated feelings. Reminded me of this line from NeverBeenKissed [[spoiler: when Josie expects Rob to happily surprised by her age but instead he is angry: "What, you were hoping . . . that IŽd be happy? Why? Because it turns out I was allowed to be attracted to you?" ]] ** Alternatively being with a girl who ran away to join the army simply has more consequences than being with a male soldier.

She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Throughout the whole song "Honor To Us All", she doesn't seem to be really enjoying the make-over or dress-up she's being put through. Only until her family seems so proud of her does she finally seem to not mind it. When she goes into the army as a man, and with being a man in ancient China she finally has this sort of freedom to express who she really is. , It doesn't even drastically change her song "Reflection." It just fits even more so. * Thus, Mulan is a exploration of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms.
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Come on, it makes so much sense! Especially if combined with the theory above. * Although she likes dressing up at the beginning of the film. ** Transgender people can be transvestites. (That is, someone who doesn't identify with their physical sex can still find it pleasurable to dress as it.) ** She didn't seem to like it much either. *** Yeah, isn't that part of the point of the scene? She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Which, FTM or not, is why all the pretty Mulan merchandise with her all dolled up is a huge wall banger for this troper. **** Though if you think about it, she's really nervous and happy with the thought of "I'll finally please my family." Throughout the whole song "Honor To Us All", she doesn't seem to be really enjoying the make-over or dress-up she's being put through. Only until her family seems so proud of her does she finally seem to not mind it. When Personally, I've always seen her as androgynous both appearance and gender-wise because she doesn't fully fit into the norm she's supposed to, but when she goes into the army as a man, and with being a man in ancient China she finally has this sort of freedom to express who she really is. , It Honestly, saying she's FTM isn't impossible at all. And in saying that, it doesn't even drastically change her song "Reflection." It just fits even more so. * Thus, Mulan **** My take: She's happy that she looks beautiful and is nicely dressed, as anyone would, but she doesn't like the uncomfortable restrictions of the clothes, and she ultimately feels that playing the sweet, delicate porcelain doll is no life for her. Nothing seems unfeminine to me on any count. ** That would certainly put a exploration different twist on "When Will My Reflection Show Who I Am Inside?" *** This troper knows plenty of other trans people of the same age who like the song for that reason. Or find it absolutely effing heartbreaking. Usually both. **** I can confirm that, and the 'both' part. Though I usually sing it to myself with all the pronouns flipped. *** Always thought that's what the song was about, still hard to watch that part without feeling sad. * In ancient China? ** Trans people have existed all throughout time. It's not that hard to believe one could exist in ancient China. ** A person can be transgender without having gender-reassignment surgery. * You do realize that a girl can be a GenkiGirl[=/=]{{Tomboy}} and straight, right? ** The term here is cisgender, not straight. ** Right. We're talking about gender here, ''not'' sexuality. * The only problem with this theory is that implies a certain level of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're This being said, it's a definite possibility that could be explored, since we're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms.
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%%%% %%% This is not a forum. Do not reply to posts. It is also not a place for troper tales. %%%% %%%% %%% %%% [[WMG: Shang was angry at Mulan after TheReveal not because of honor, but because he is gay.]] "Ping" just saved his life. There had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]]. He was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. * Think about the fact that this is one of the few Disney animated films in which The Heroine does not share a kiss with The Guy/Hero, not to mention that Shang is the only major protagonist that doesn't sing any lines in "A Girl Worth Fighting For". * He could be bisexual or something similar. Old China was generally more tolerant of bi/homosexual behavior than Christian dominated Europe (at least of the men - provided they fulfilled their social commitments to family), so it's not too much of stretch to hypothesize Shang might have been treading along the more ambiguous tiers of the Kinsey scale. It's Mulan/Ping's actions and personal qualities that forged a bond between them, not her gender. It could certainly make some interesting fiction if properly explored.
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%%%% %%% This is not a forum. Do not reply to posts. It is also not a place for troper tales. %%%% %%%% %%% %%% [[WMG: Shang [[GymBunny Shang]] was angry at Mulan after TheReveal not because of honor, but because he is gay.]] "Ping" just saved his life. There life, there had to be something going on besides "honor" that would make him so pissy about Ping turning out to be a girl. They had a few good moments before then, and it's not unreasonable to speculate that he began to respect Ping for "his" accomplishments during training (not to mention [[AttractiveBentGender Ping's supposedly good looks]]). So Ping turning out to be a girl pretty much [[IncompatibleOrientation broke his heart]]. He heart]], and he was [[LoveMakesYouDumb unable to think rationally]] for some time after that, explaining his [[LawfulStupid strange behavior]] [[CassandraTruth afterwards]]. At the end he finally got over his heartbreak over "Ping" and accepted Mulan's true identity. * Think identity. And the film does not explicitly show them hooking up. Instead, [[ShortTank Mulan]] and Shang become PlatonicLifePartners. ** This is shown to be false by the sequel. ** [[FridgeBrilliance ...what if you don't count Disney sequels as canon?]] And although this troper hates to defend that atrocity of a sequel, even if Shang ''was'' gay, it only takes you to believe in the "Mulan is transgender" theory for the relationship to work. ** This makes so much sense. Also think about the fact that this is one of the few Disney animated films in which The Heroine does not share a kiss with The Guy/Hero, not to mention that Shang is the only major protagonist that doesn't sing any lines in "A Girl Worth Fighting For". * ** [[RunningGag OBJECT]][[LampshadeHanging ION]], you canned your own argument because them being PlatonicLifePartners means that Shang is straight or bi, not to mention they bear a fire forged bond (besides, after what she did, what straight dude wouldn't want her?) *** Trope names =/= trope meanings. *** For those just joining us, PlatonicLifePartners was once "The Straight Will And Grace". ** This doesn't quite fit with how twitterpated he's acting at the end. Seems he's plenty into Mulan as a girl. ** Well, there's plenty going on to justify Shang's anger - the deception, as well as the difficult choice of whether to uphold the law. Not to mention that he had very recently suffered a serious personal loss along with the horror of the Chinese army's defeat. Emotions were running pretty high. This doesn't necessarily undermine the theory on principle, though he doesn't necessarily have to be gay to be attracted to "Ping." He could be bisexual or something similar. Old China was generally more tolerant of bi/homosexual behavior than Christian dominated Europe (at least of the men - provided they fulfilled their social commitments to family), so it's not too much of stretch to hypothesize Shang might have been treading along the more ambiguous tiers of the Kinsey scale. It's Mulan/Ping's actions and personal qualities that forged a bond between them, not her gender. It could certainly make some interesting fiction if properly explored. ** Maybe he was straight, got all hard for ping (if only because of random female pharemone showing up around him) , and when he finally began accpeting he may be a little gay, had a wet Ping involved dream, liked it, decided he may be a little gay, then found out Ping is a woman ANDOHMYFUCK AM I GAYANYWAY?!?!?!?! Moment. Immediatly after his dad died. ** Maybe Shang IS gay, but has an IfItsYouItsOkay thing when he finds out Mulan is a woman. ** Shang is Mulansexual! ** I always saw it that he was not gay, per say, but that he DID develop feelings for Ping, which he tried to deny to himself. When he discovered Mulan was indeed a girl, that made his feelings traditionally "acceptable" (not necessarily in real ancient China but at least in the world of this movie, where the other soldiers sang about the women they wanted to cook for them and fawn over them) but would also make him admit he fell in love with someone he thought was a man. So he had anger, which he unfairly directed at Mulan, for his complicated feelings. Reminded me of this line from NeverBeenKissed [[spoiler: when Josie expects Rob to happily surprised by her age but instead he is angry: "What, you were hoping . . . that IŽd be happy? Why? Because it turns out I was allowed to be attracted to you?" ]] ** Alternatively being with a girl who ran away to join the army simply has more consequences than being with a male soldier.

She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Throughout the whole song "Honor To Us All", she doesn't seem to be really enjoying the make-over or dress-up she's being put through. Only until her family seems so proud of her does she finally seem to not mind it. When she goes into the army as a man, and with being a man in ancient China she finally has this sort of freedom to express who she really is. , It doesn't even drastically change her song "Reflection." It just fits even more so. * Thus, Mulan is a exploration of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms.
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Come on, it makes so much sense! Especially if combined with the theory above. * Although she likes dressing up at the beginning of the film. ** Transgender people can be transvestites. (That is, someone who doesn't identify with their physical sex can still find it pleasurable to dress as it.) ** She didn't seem to like it much either. *** Yeah, isn't that part of the point of the scene? She's kind of excited/jittery with anticipation about going before the Matchmaker, but she doesn't seem at all happy dressed that way. Which, FTM or not, is why all the pretty Mulan merchandise with her all dolled up is a huge wall banger for this troper. **** Though if you think about it, she's really nervous and happy with the thought of "I'll finally please my family." Throughout the whole song "Honor To Us All", she doesn't seem to be really enjoying the make-over or dress-up she's being put through. Only until her family seems so proud of her does she finally seem to not mind it. When Personally, I've always seen her as androgynous both appearance and gender-wise because she doesn't fully fit into the norm she's supposed to, but when she goes into the army as a man, and with being a man in ancient China she finally has this sort of freedom to express who she really is. , It Honestly, saying she's FTM isn't impossible at all. And in saying that, it doesn't even drastically change her song "Reflection." It just fits even more so. * Thus, Mulan **** My take: She's happy that she looks beautiful and is nicely dressed, as anyone would, but she doesn't like the uncomfortable restrictions of the clothes, and she ultimately feels that playing the sweet, delicate porcelain doll is no life for her. Nothing seems unfeminine to me on any count. ** That would certainly put a exploration different twist on "When Will My Reflection Show Who I Am Inside?" *** This troper knows plenty of other trans people of the same age who like the song for that reason. Or find it absolutely effing heartbreaking. Usually both. **** I can confirm that, and the 'both' part. Though I usually sing it to myself with all the pronouns flipped. *** Always thought that's what the song was about, still hard to watch that part without feeling sad. * In ancient China? ** Trans people have existed all throughout time. It's not that hard to believe one could exist in ancient China. ** A person can be transgender without having gender-reassignment surgery. * You do realize that a girl can be a GenkiGirl[=/=]{{Tomboy}} and straight, right? ** The term here is cisgender, not straight. ** Right. We're talking about gender here, ''not'' sexuality. * The only problem with this theory is that implies a certain level of gender essentialism - i.e. that certain characteristics must be indicative of a male or female persona, rather than being fundamentally neutral. Mulan's internal conflict does not seem significantly centered on her female identity so much as how to express the individual aspects of that identity in harmony with the expectations of her culture. She lacks agency within the confines of her life, which is the root of a lot of her esteem and self-worth issues. The Mulan we see after the war is far more mature and self-assured, without having completely rejected her feminine identity. We're This being said, it's a definite possibility that could be explored, since we're speaking of a time period where the entire concept of transgender would've been ill-defined, if acknowledged at all in old China's sharply defined gender paradigms.
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