History WMG / Megamind

Despite having only three lines in the film, Ben Stiller's Bernard is obviously a fanboy of Megamind of [[TheSimpsons Comic Book Guy]] archetype. Upon seeing Megamind for the first time, he criticizes the look as a tasteless. This would be understandable as their encounter is only days after Megamind has taken over the city and gone on a destructive rampage, so dressing as a terrorist ''would'' be considered in poor taste. But instead, he describes it as a poor cosplay simply because the head is ''not'' that grossly exaggerated", recognizing his dehydration gun as a "cheap replica" and isn't even phased held at gunpoint. The way this comes across just sounds like an unimpressed fanboy at Comic Con seeing a poor imitation of his favorite villain.

* The whole SharedUniverse theory for these films holds a lot of water. They both serve as an AffectionateParody on [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] entertainment, [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever monster flicks]] and comics respectively. They share similar design concepts and seem to obey the same general rules. Maybe Creator/{{DreamWorks|Animation}} plans to do a crossover film in the future?

* His origin is along the lines of a [[UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfComicBooks Golden Age]] superhero's origin, complete with rival since childhood (a la Superman and Lex Luthor)
* He then begins to develop all sorts of strange gadgets and odd technology, just like the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] heroes did (Batman's gadgets anyone?)
* Then, the original hero is replaced with a new one as a [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] arc (just like the original X-men team did in 1975)
* Next, this new hero turns out evil and spends his time running around as a anti hero and then full on villain, leading to a [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks Dark Age]]
* Finally, Megamind defeats the dark age character and saves the day, creating a new optimistic view, like the [[UsefulNotes/TheModernAgeOfComicBooks Modern Age]].

[[WMG: At some unseen point Megamind ''killed people'' '''horribly''']]

[[WMG: Roxie is/was a supervillain herself.]]

[[WMG: Minion will die at some point to show how serious the situation is.]]

** [[spoiler: Actually it seems like this near the end but it just turns out that Minion is a drama queen.]]
*** [[spoiler: And it makes sense, since only his ''suit'' was damaged. The guy is still just a FISH.]]

*** [[spoiler: Even perfectly-normal fish don't die out of water until their gills dry out. Minion had plenty of time to ham it up.]]

[[WMG: When Megamind's parents told him he was "destined for greatness..."]]

[[WMG: Megamind will end up turning Roxy into an alien like him.]]
Megamind's the last of his kind and there is some interesting chemistry between the two. Not only that but [[spoiler: Megamind had given super powers to a human. Genetic tinkering is not beyond his abilities.]]
* [[spoiler: The gun glowed again after he drain Metro Man's powers, from Hal, maybe he'll give them to Roxy!]]
** This troper was thinking the same thing regarding [[spoiler: giving Roxy powers.]] Hell, he might even be able to both [[spoiler: turn her into an alien like him AND give her Metro Man's powers!]]
* This troper wouldn't bet on it. [[spoiler: The only possible source for DNA from Megamind's race is Megamind himself, and if he infused Roxy with that, it would raise Squicky implications about him continuing to date someone who would, in effect, have become his biological relative.]]

[[WMG: Dreamworks is holding a supervillain]]

* I was thinking more of a speech impairment, but autism is also an option. Not to mention that [[spoiler: when the crowd tried to get near him, he got out his gun and started to threaten at everyone like they were going to hurt him.]]
** They had [[spoiler:only known him as a supervillain up until then. He might not have realized he was being forgiven.]] I think he just has impaired social skills, he seems to have spent most of his life with minimal human(figuratively speaking) contact besides Minion and Metro Man.

* To all of the above: no. He's simply someone who reads his brain out and doesn't ever actually use the words in conversations (seeing as he doesn't really ever TALK to anyone). This troper is not autistic, and yet after twenty four years she can't seem to wrap her mind around the fact that "forage" does not rhyme with "garage".

[[WMG: Metro Man's super-speed causes him to age comparatively faster]]

* The discipline thing is important - Megamind may be GenreSavvy but he's also pretty conservative in how he uses his inventions, and there's little collatoral damage. And if you're thinking 'because it's a kid's film' remember how much Titan destroys in comparison.

[[WMG: Megamind would have turned Roxie into Tighten if everything had gone according to plan.]]

Planing EpilepticTrees here, but perhaps they had originally planned to cast Robert Downey Jr as Megamind and Will Farell as Hal/Tighten?

Also the Wii games mentioned a new league of evil called the Doom Syndicate and a Mega Team with one of the screenshots showing Metro Man, Megamind, Minion and even Hal fighting side by side, and supposedly picks up where the movie left off. Smells like a pitch for a CGI animated series to me. It might work~ in wake of the new threat, Megamind forms a justice league and gives the powers extracted from Metro Man to Roxie, and Metro Man comes out of retirement and hiding to join the league (After all, for once he'll be facing a different adversary). In the meantime, Hal gets broken out of prison and is recruited by Doom Syndicate which is in fact a front for Galaxhar's attempt to invade the planet, and is granted superpowers and transformed back to Tighten as Galaxhar is impressed by the wanton destruction Hal has caused in the movie. Tighten proceeds to be the MonsterOfTheWeek of the first episode until he finds Galaxhar's true motives for invading and Galaxhar's plans for him once he's outlived his usefulness. Tighten then does a HeelFaceTurn for good and defects to the Mega Team. If they want to include a B-Plot, it could involve the public's reaction to Metro Man's relevation that he's alive, and subsequently their distrust in him for abandoning them and thus Metro Man has to not only re-earn the confidence of the public, but make them understand that even superheroes need time out.

*** The above point has merit. Note that when he and Roxie are exchanging things they've never told anyone else, he catches himself as he starts to say "shul", and instead says "school" quite clearly. He knows the right way to say things, he just says them the wrong way to ham it up, to the point where it is now habit. This habit is shown when he nearly says "shul" to Roxie, and then again when he does says "Metrocity" to Tighten.

As well as not wanting to be a superhero any more, Metro Man could guess that whatever created Tighten was more than likely WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}}'s work. He wanted WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} to clean up his own mess- if Metro Man had just stepped in and stopped it, where would that leave Megamind(or Metro Man himself)? WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} needed to fix the problem he created by himself, or he'd never become the hero Metro Man saw he could be.

* Although a newscaster says that citizens are 'fleeing the city in a mass exodus' before the final showdown with Tighten.

* The discipline thing is important - Megamind may be GenreSavvy but he's also pretty conservative in how he uses his inventions, and there's little collatoral damage. And if you're thinking 'because it's a kid's film' remember how much Tighten destroys in comparison.

Megamind was a member of the Guild of Calamitous Intent, and he and Metro Man were explicitly paired up as supervillain and superhero. When Metro Man got tired of it and opted out on his own, Megamind decided to create his own arch without Guild approval, so he was kicked out of the Guild after Tighten was defeated. Of course, by then Megamind was perfectly okay with that and become a reformed-supervillain hero.

Megamind was a member of the Guild of Calamitous Intent and he and Metro Man were explicitly paired up as supervillain and superhero. When Metro Man got tired of it and opted out on his own, Megamind decided to create his own rival without Guild approval so he was kicked out of the Guild after Tighten was defeated. Of course, by then Megamind was perfectly okay with that and become a reformed-supervillain hero.

* somewhat supported I think by the fact that the school meagmind gose to is outside of the city, with a small number of students. And unrelated, but the school is a "gifted" school. So the warden (probably) was trying to foster his intelligence in a more positive environment.

While the scene where Hal says that the Queen of England doesn't exist right after saying the same about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is meant to stabilish him as a moron who might have grow completely ruthless but keeps his dumbass ways from before, i thought of an alternate take to it: the Queen of England is '''genuinely'' a myth in Megamind's universe - or at the very least, her position is non-existent anymore.

[[WMG: Megamind would have turned Roxie into Titan if everything had gone according to plan.]]

Planing EpilepticTrees here, but perhaps they had originally planned to cast Robert Downey Jr as Megamind and Will Farell as Hal/Titan/Tighten?

*** The above point has merit. Note that when he and Roxie are exchanging things they've never told anyone else, he catches himself as he starts to say "shul", and instead says "school" quite clearly. He knows the right way to say things, he just says them the wrong way to ham it up, to the point where it is now habit. This habit is shown when he nearly says "shul" to Roxie, and then again when he does says "Metrocity" to Titan.

As well as not wanting to be a superhero any more, Metro Man could guess that whatever created Titan was more than likely WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}}'s work. He wanted WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} to clean up his own mess- if Metro Man had just stepped in and stopped it, where would that leave Megamind(or Metro Man himself)? WesternAnimation/{{Megamind}} needed to fix the problem he created by himself, or he'd never become the hero Metro Man saw he could be.

* Although a newscaster says that citizens are 'fleeing the city in a mass exodus' before the final showdown with Titan.

* The discipline thing is important - Megamind may be GenreSavvy but he's also pretty conservative in how he uses his inventions, and there's little collatoral damage. And if you're thinking 'because it's a kid's film' remember how much Titan destroys in comparison.

* You realized it's a Dreamworks production, don't you?
** Yeeeees, just because it's Dreamworks doesn't mean they can't have emotional drama. They ''have'' been getting better in recent years.
** This is plausible, because the minions in WesternAnimation/DespicableMe never died, and the makers of this film could've decided to make the movie DarkerAndEdgier than Despicable Me.

* The whole SharedUniverse theory for these films holds a lot of water. They both serve as an AffectionateParody on [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] entertainment, [[AttackOfTheFiftyFootWhatever monster flicks]] and comics respectively. They share similar design concepts and seem to obey the same general rules. Maybe Creator/DreamWorks plans to do a crossover film in the future?

* He has no close friends or social life to speak of. For all we know, Roxxie is the closest thing to a companion he has. (Ouch.)

[[WMG: At some unseen point Megamind ''Killed people'' '''horribly''']]

[[WMG: The rest of the world was too busy dealing with the [[WesternAnimation/{{Home}} Boov occupation]] to help Metro City.]]
One of the extraterrestrial species shown celebrating at the end of ''WesternAnimation/{{Home}}'' is a bunch of bald blue people similar to Megamind's species except for having beady little bug eyes; possibly relatives to his people the way the Supergirl's people on Argos were to Superman's people on Krypton? My theory is that the Boov invasion occurred right before Megamind's victory over Metro Man; the Boov scouts detected that Metro City had super-powered aliens present whose powers and technology easily exceeded their own, and instructed their navigational computers to steer everyone clear of the place. Hence, the citizens of Metro City and the counties surrounding it weren't relocated and the region was not occupied. The Boov and their extraterrestrial colleagues did eventually make contact with Megamind (sometime right before they had their galactic housewarming party), but only after the end of this movie.

* And she would provide the same amount of FoeYay.

* He not only has no serious moral compass but lacks any vision or sense of planning: even if he isn't a genuinely good guy, he could still ''play'' the good guy [[SecretlySelfish for fame, attention, and some kind of salary]], but blows this opportunity on an idiotic tantrum.

While it doesn't excuse Hal's selfish, destructive, and creepy behavior, there are signs Hal hasn't had the best life:

* He has no close friends or social life to speak of. For all we know, Roxxie is the closest thing to a companion he has.

What do i mean with that? My guess is that Megamind's universe is actually an AlternateHistory where some events in our world went differently, and amongst them is that Britain became a republic instead of staying as a constitutional monarchy - thus, the Queen ''is'' genuinely a long-gone position that only exists as part of history. Alternatively, "The Queen of England" is a tale told in this universe in a similar way to how in our world Arthurian Myths are very famous both in England and outside of them, with the "Queen of England" being a character that exists as part of these myths. In other words, Hal was actually not being a complete idiot when he said that the Queen doesn't exist in his world.

While the scene where Hall says that the Queen of England doesn't exist right after saying the same about the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy is meant to stabilish him as a moron who might have grow completely ruthless but keeps his dumbass ways from before, i thought of an alternate take to it: the Queen of England is '''genuinely'' a myth in Megamind's universe - or at the very least, her position is non-existent anymore.

What do i mean with that? My guess is that Megamind's universe is actually an AlternateHistory where some events in our world went differently, and amongst them is that Britain became a republic instead of staying as a constitutional monarchy - thus, the Queen ''is'' genuinely a long-gone position that only exists as part of history. Alternatively, "The Queen of England" is a tale told in this universe in a similar way to how in our world Arthurian Myths are very famous both in England and outside of them, with the "Queen of England" being a character that exists as part of these myths. In other words, Hall was actually not being a complete idiot when he said that the Queen doesn't exist in his world.

It cutesy cartoon universe or not ''no one'' is sentenced to 88 consecutive life sentences without doing something beyond the MoralEventHorizon at some point. Before the start of the films story Megamind HAD to have genuinely killed whether or not it was intentional a large amount of of Metro Cities populace in a horrific and torturous fashion (thus the need for the extra life sentences).

** For that matter, "greatness" leaves a lot of latitude for interpretation; Adolf Hitler and Winston Churchill were both "great" men... but for very different reasons, and in complete opposition to each other. Metro Man and Megamind are also very "great" men throughout the movie, also for very different reasons, albeit [[NotSoDifferent not in such complete opposition]] as they might appear to be at first.

[[WMG: If a sequel is ever made, Metroman will come back as a superhero, but the singer Music Man/whatever Music Man's "real name" is when he not on stage and rich businessman Wayne Scott will be his civilian identities.]]