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This guess is based on the fact that in Orin's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas shrine to his mother]] in the movie, her photo is really a picture of actress Pam Ferris. When Orin was little, Trunchbull was at the height of her career as an Olympic athlete, so even though her son idolized her, he rarely saw her it was mostly his father who raised him. When her career ended, she realized she was too independent for marriage and too much of a ChildHater for motherhood (at least not when there was no material gain in it for her, the way their would later be when she became her niece [[spoiler: Jennifer Honey]]'s guardian). So she and Mr. Scrivello split up, Mr. Scrivello took custody of Orin, and they never heard from her again. Orin pretends his mother is dead because he can't bear to acknowledge that she abandoned him. Obviously, he inherited his sadism from her. As for why she told him that teaching wouldn't suit him when she herself is a SadistTeacher... well, Trunchbull knows how to pass off her sadism as punishments the schoolchildren deserve for breaking rules, but Orin couldn't get away with that because his sheer pleasure in torturing people is too obvious.

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This guess is based on the fact that in Orin's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas shrine to his mother]] in the movie, her photo is really a picture of actress Pam Ferris. When Orin was little, Trunchbull was at the height of her career as an Olympic athlete, so even though her son idolized her, he rarely saw her and it was mostly his father who raised him. When her career ended, she realized she was too independent for marriage and too much of a ChildHater for motherhood (at least not when there was no material gain in it for her, the way their would later be when she became her niece [[spoiler: Jennifer Honey]]'s guardian). So she and Mr. Scrivello split up, Mr. Scrivello took custody of Orin, and they never heard from her again. Orin pretends his mother is dead because he can't bear to acknowledge that she abandoned him. Obviously, he inherited his sadism from her. As for why she told him that teaching wouldn't suit him when she herself is a SadistTeacher... well, Trunchbull knows how to pass off her sadism as punishments the schoolchildren deserve for breaking rules, but Orin couldn't get away with that because his sheer pleasure in torturing people is too obvious.
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ESPECIALLY with the film taking place in the 60's and having a happier ending. perhaps Mr. Wing's shop is magic, as we see that it has moved in the sequel. Maybe the events of the musical did happen to some degree, which is why he was so reluctant to sell Gizmo; he didn't want to be responsible for another rampage by alien creatures because he sold it to someone.

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ESPECIALLY with the film taking place in the 60's and having a happier ending. perhaps Mr. Wing's shop is magic, as we see that it has moved in the sequel. Maybe the events of the musical did happen to some degree, which is why he was so reluctant to sell Gizmo; he didn't want to be responsible for another rampage by alien creatures because he sold it to someone.someone.

[[WMG: Orin's mother was [[Film/{{Matilda}} Agatha Trunchbull]].]]
This guess is based on the fact that in Orin's [[EvenBadMenLoveTheirMamas shrine to his mother]] in the movie, her photo is really a picture of actress Pam Ferris. When Orin was little, Trunchbull was at the height of her career as an Olympic athlete, so even though her son idolized her, he rarely saw her it was mostly his father who raised him. When her career ended, she realized she was too independent for marriage and too much of a ChildHater for motherhood (at least not when there was no material gain in it for her, the way their would later be when she became her niece [[spoiler: Jennifer Honey]]'s guardian). So she and Mr. Scrivello split up, Mr. Scrivello took custody of Orin, and they never heard from her again. Orin pretends his mother is dead because he can't bear to acknowledge that she abandoned him. Obviously, he inherited his sadism from her. As for why she told him that teaching wouldn't suit him when she herself is a SadistTeacher... well, Trunchbull knows how to pass off her sadism as punishments the schoolchildren deserve for breaking rules, but Orin couldn't get away with that because his sheer pleasure in torturing people is too obvious.
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** How often does one see such a strange and interesting plant such as that growing in a skid row florists shop. Anyway, the original movie was alot less realistic having the plant sit on a table in the middle of the shop.
** Further evidence to support this theory:
*** In the original movie, the plant could hypnotize people into going out and finding it food. In the "Little Shop" cartoon, it has the power to temporarily "plant" the "seeds" of ideas into people's heads. So that's two incarnations against one where the plant is explicitly able to control minds.
*** The entire "Suppertime" song is heard by Seymour only--because it's all in his head.
*** The original script states that the plant only sings in that scene when Mushnik is not present (the first two verses while he's interrogating Seymour outside the shop, the final verse while Mushnik is locking up in another room.) A lot of productions I've seen line up with this, to the point where the Broadway production extends the musical interlude between the second and third verses so that Mushnik can get through before the plant starts singing again.
*** In the dialogue prior to "Feed Me (Git It)", Audrey II says, "You think this is all coincidence, baby? The sudden success around here? Your adoption papers?" (It then sings about being able to get Seymour anything--including whatever girl he wants--and Seymour believes every word.)
*** In the film, Seymour tells Audrey, "I never meant to hurt anybody. It's just that, somehow, [Audrey II] makes things happen--terrible things."

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** * How often does one see such a strange and interesting plant such as that growing in a skid row florists shop. Anyway, the original movie was alot less realistic having the plant sit on a table in the middle of the shop.
** * Further evidence to support this theory:
*** ** In the original movie, the plant could hypnotize people into going out and finding it food. In the "Little Shop" cartoon, it has the power to temporarily "plant" the "seeds" of ideas into people's heads. So that's two incarnations against one where the plant is explicitly able to control minds.
*** ** The entire "Suppertime" song is heard by Seymour only--because it's all in his head.
*** ** The original script states that the plant only sings in that scene when Mushnik is not present (the first two verses while he's interrogating Seymour outside the shop, the final verse while Mushnik is locking up in another room.) A lot of productions I've seen line up with this, to the point where the Broadway production extends the musical interlude between the second and third verses so that Mushnik can get through before the plant starts singing again.
*** ** In the dialogue prior to "Feed Me (Git It)", Audrey II says, "You think this is all coincidence, baby? The sudden success around here? Your adoption papers?" (It then sings about being able to get Seymour anything--including whatever girl he wants--and Seymour believes every word.)
*** ** In the film, Seymour tells Audrey, "I never meant to hurt anybody. It's just that, somehow, [Audrey II] makes things happen--terrible things."



** No, no, because to do that the one who dies would have to be the one who covers New York in plant life. The true ending, then, would involve Gnorga almost losing to Stanley after an awesome VillainSong, only for Stanley to be electrocuted to death by a stray wire.

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** * No, no, because to do that the one who dies would have to be the one who covers New York in plant life. The true ending, then, would involve Gnorga almost losing to Stanley after an awesome VillainSong, only for Stanley to be electrocuted to death by a stray wire.



** This also explains the emphasis given to the customers (like Mrs. Shiva, who is mentioned by Mushnik but doesn't appear in the musical versions): Mr. Mushnik knows them better than the others because he really cares about getting their money.

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** * This also explains the emphasis given to the customers (like Mrs. Shiva, who is mentioned by Mushnik but doesn't appear in the musical versions): Mr. Mushnik knows them better than the others because he really cares about getting their money.
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** Nah, Audrey II wanted to take over the world anyway. Seymour was just the patsy it needed.

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** * Nah, Audrey II wanted to take over the world anyway. Seymour was just the patsy it needed.
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---[[WMG: The man who sold the plant to Seymour is the same man who "sold" Gizmo to Mr. Peltzer in Gremlins]]
ESPECIALLY with the film taking place in the 60's and having a happier ending. perhaps Mr. Wing's shop is magic, as we see that it has moved in the sequel. Maybe the events of the musical did happen to some degree, which is why he was so reluctant to sell Gizmo; he didn't want to be responsible for another rampage by alien creatures because he sold it to someone.

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[[WMG: The Little Shop cartoon series is the simplified version of the Audrey II story that Audrey and Seymour tell their kids.]]
In the theatrical ending, Audrey and Seymour eventually have children, children who would eventually find pictures of their dad sitting next to a huge fly-trap. And when the kids did eventually start asking questions, Seymour and Audrey sat them down, and told them the events of the Little Shop cartoon.
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\n*Professor Sprout was absolutely there. Miriam Margolyes plays Orrin's receptionist.

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*** Seymour blows up Audrey II because Orin had more fun imagining them inflicting pain on each other than if Audrey II just won. Audrey doesn't get swallowed so she can marry Seymour, to represent how she cut off from Orin even in the afterlife. The couple literally moves into a picture out of ''Better Homes and Gardens'' magazine instead of a real suburb to reflect how Audrey deluded herself into thinking her dream came true, as mentioned above. Now if only someone could explain how Orin knew about works like ''Litreature/HarryPotter'' and ''VideoGame/LogicalJourneyOfTheZoombinis''.

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*** Seymour blows up Audrey II because Orin had more fun imagining them inflicting pain on each other than if Audrey II just won. Audrey doesn't get swallowed so she can marry Seymour, to represent how she cut off from Orin even in the afterlife. The couple literally moves into a picture out of ''Better Homes and Gardens'' magazine instead of a real suburb to reflect how Audrey deluded herself into thinking her dream came true, as mentioned above. Now if only someone could explain how Orin knew about works like ''Litreature/HarryPotter'' ''Literature/HarryPotter'' and ''VideoGame/LogicalJourneyOfTheZoombinis''.
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* Or Audrey II is a very early scout for the ''{{Species}}'' race, and the originals just do not like what they see down here.

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* Or Audrey II is a very early scout for the ''{{Species}}'' ''Film/{{Species}}'' race, and the originals just do not like what they see down here.
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[[WMG: The chorus girls in the movie are some of the Muses from Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}]]

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[[WMG: The chorus girls in the movie are some of the Muses from Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}]]''WesternAnimation/{{Hercules}}'']]
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[[WMG: Alternatively, the FocusGroupEnding is what actually happens and it is the original ending that is Audrey II’s hallucination.]]
In fact, it is having this fantasy as it is reborn as the tiny sprout at the end. [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge When they find out what actually happened they probably won’t be very happy...]]
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\n[[WMG: The plants never got past New York City, and was covered up by both the muggle and wizarding governments. Professor Sprout (The Herbology teacher from Harry Potter) was a witness, and still remembers the event.]]
Strange plants (even from space, like Audrey II) would certainly fit in the Harry Potter universe. The plants might not have won against the MACUSA (The United States Ministry of Magic), and magic in general. One of the lines in "Don't Feed the Plants" is "If we fight it we've still got a chance." Maybe the wizards fought it. We also know from the first chapter of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince that wizarding and muggle governments work together. If Voldemort was important enough to work with the muggle governments, then the man-eating plants trying to kill everyone certainly would be. Plus, why wouldn't Professor Sprout be there? Little Shop takes place in the 1960's, so Sprout would be in her 20's or 30's. They would want an up and coming plant expert to help with this. How do they keep the average citizens from finding out? Aurors do a Men In Black style mind-wipe, and make them think they died in certain other fatal accidents.

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[[WMG: If or when another movie musical comes out, the endings will be reversed.]

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[[WMG: The chorus girls in the movie are some of the Muses from Disney's Hercules]]
In Greek mythology, there were nine Muses. The five shown in Hercules are: Calliope (epic poetry), Clio (history), Melpomene (tragedy), Terpsichore (dance), and Thalia (comedy). There are only three in Little Shop of Horrors, being Melpomene, Terpsichore, and Thalia, as they are the ones most appropriate for the story.

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[[WMG: The chorus girls in the movie are some of the Muses from Disney's Hercules]]
''Disney/{{Hercules}}]]
In Greek mythology, there were nine Muses. The five shown in Hercules are: Calliope (epic poetry), Clio (history), Melpomene (tragedy), Terpsichore (dance), and Thalia (comedy). There are only three in Little Shop of Horrors, being Melpomene, Terpsichore, and Thalia, as they are the ones most appropriate for the story.
story. "Crystal, Ronette and Chiffon" are just names they assume to fit in with the locals.


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[[WMG: In the original ending, Audrey isn't dead when Audrey II eats her.]]
The Sominex she took earlier kicks in belatedly and puts her to sleep. She just assumes she's dying, Seymour believes her, and then he feeds her to the plant without bothering to check her pulse or breathing. If only he [[ATragedyOfImpulsiveness hadn't been so hasty]], they could have had the happy theatrical ending. This explains why, in the stage version, she lives on as a singing flower that sprouts from Audrey II in the finale. (Although this wouldn't explain why Orin also sings as a flower in the end, when he was not only dead, but dismembered when the plant ate him.)


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[[WMG: It was Patrick Martin who put the plant in Seymour and Audrey's garden in the theatrical ending.]]
In the original ending, Martin had already taken at least one sample cutting from the plant as a proof of concept. Perhaps he had done the same thing in the theatrical version, and simply neglected to bring it with him like he did in the original ending. After hearing about the plant's "unfortunate" destruction, Martin decided to give the sample cutting to Seymour, as a consolation present and/or a means to bring his marketing plan to fruition.

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[[WMG: The chorus girls in the movie are some of the Muses from Disney's Hercules]]
In Greek mythology, there were nine Muses. The five shown in Hercules are: Calliope (epic poetry), Clio (history), Melpomene (tragedy), Terpsichore (dance), and Thalia (comedy). There are only three in Little Shop of Horrors, being Melpomene, Terpsichore, and Thalia, as they are the ones most appropriate for the story.

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[[WMG: If or when another movie musical comes out, the endings will be reversed.]
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I'll admit, I like the story as a campy musical. But I also really like the story as a Greek tragedy with a point about ill-gotten gains. But the reasons cited for the film failing are the actors and the finality of film death, even though it seems more a case of showing more that film can show, namely, Audrey's fantasy and the end of the world. Showing the ideal future she wants in "Somewhere That's Green" gives us more connection to her ideas and dreams, and caricatured though it is, it undermines the comedic element to her aspirations and makes it feel more real and makes her death too sad. Just talking about it to listeners allows us to laugh at the lyrics more and makes it seem less concrete or doable for her anyway. And the end, where we see the collapse of the world in thorough, merciless detail, conversely shows way too much, making the discussed fate too much of a brutal reality rather than a cautionary twist like in the play, where it's discussed while the first Audrey II is laughing. Turning it into a fully-realized sequence goes too far for the kind of story it's emulating, but a warning at the end about the massive consequences gets the point across and feels satisfying. While perhaps Seymour could have been a bit less innocent in his portrayal, it's really the tools of film that give us too much to connect to that makes the intended ending way too dark.

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I'll admit, I like the story as a campy musical. But I also really like the story as a Greek tragedy with a point about ill-gotten gains. But the reasons cited for the film failing are the actors and the finality of film death, even though it seems more a case of showing more that film can show, namely, Audrey's fantasy and the end of the world. Showing the ideal future she wants in "Somewhere That's Green" gives us more connection to her ideas and dreams, and caricatured though it is, it undermines the comedic element to her aspirations and makes it feel more real and makes her death too sad. Just talking about it to listeners allows us to laugh at the lyrics more and makes it seem less concrete or doable for her anyway. And the end, where we see the collapse of the world in thorough, merciless detail, conversely shows way too much, making the discussed fate too much of a brutal reality rather than a cautionary twist like in the play, where it's discussed while the first Audrey II is laughing. Turning it into a fully-realized sequence goes too far for the kind of story it's emulating, but a warning at the end about the massive consequences gets the point across and feels satisfying. While perhaps Seymour could have been a bit less innocent in his portrayal, it's really the tools of film that give us too much to connect to that makes make the intended ending way too dark.
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[[WMG: The reason the original film ending failed was due to a rare case of ShowDontTell backfiring.]]
I'll admit, I like the story as a campy musical. But I also really like the story as a Greek tragedy with a point about ill-gotten gains. But the reasons cited for the film failing are the actors and the finality of film death, even though it seems more a case of showing more that film can show, namely, Audrey's fantasy and the end of the world. Showing the ideal future she wants in "Somewhere That's Green" gives us more connection to her ideas and dreams, and caricatured though it is, it undermines the comedic element to her aspirations and makes it feel more real and makes her death too sad. Just talking about it to listeners allows us to laugh at the lyrics more and makes it seem less concrete or doable for her anyway. And the end, where we see the collapse of the world in thorough, merciless detail, conversely shows way too much, making the discussed fate too much of a brutal reality rather than a cautionary twist like in the play, where it's discussed while the first Audrey II is laughing. Turning it into a fully-realized sequence goes too far for the kind of story it's emulating, but a warning at the end about the massive consequences gets the point across and feels satisfying. While perhaps Seymour could have been a bit less innocent in his portrayal, it's really the tools of film that give us too much to connect to that makes the intended ending way too dark.
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[[WMG: No one in the movie is a TimeLord...]]

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[[WMG: No one in the movie is a TimeLord...JustForFun/TimeLord...]]
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[[WMG: The Theatrical Ending exists within {{Franchise/Ghostbusters}} continuity.]]
Audrey II's ghost lives in the Castle in ''VideoGame/Ghostbusters1990'', and, energy-spewing abilities notwithstanding, seems to be at the power level of "Mean Green Mother From Outer Space." It's even heavily implied to have eaten Arthur!
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** Well, maybe the reason why Audrey II was attached to Seymour was because of the fact that it "raised" him. When Seymour tried to touch it with his injured finger after discovering it making "kissing sounds", it literally tried to bite it off. And then we see later in the "Some Fun Now" number, a more mature Audrey II is feeding off of Seymour's blood by sucking on it from his fingers instead of trying to bite it off. It feed off his blood for a long period of time. Essentially, Seymour was it's parent, which is why it didn't try to eat him (especially in the theatrical cut where it didn't even attempt to do so in the final face-off). Despite it's big size and it's attitude, it appeared to appreciated Seymour for raising it (hence the "And I wanna thank you!" comment just before the start of the "Big Green Mother From Outer Space" number). The relationship Seymour and Audrey II had wasn't a romantic one. It was a parent and a child, and Audrey II attacked Audrey because it not only provided a food source, but it was also removing the source of it's parental abandonment. Kinda puts things in perspective a bit: a man and his plant kid.

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** Well, maybe the reason why Audrey II was attached to Seymour was because of the fact that it "raised" him. When Seymour tried to touch it with his injured finger after discovering it making "kissing sounds", it literally tried to bite it off. off. And then we see later in the "Some Fun Now" number, a more mature Audrey II is feeding off of Seymour's blood by sucking on it from his fingers instead of trying to bite it off. off. It feed off his blood for a long period of time. time. Essentially, Seymour was it's parent, which is why it didn't try to eat him (especially in the theatrical cut where it didn't even attempt to do so in the final face-off). face-off). Despite it's big size and it's attitude, it appeared to appreciated Seymour for raising it (hence the "And I wanna thank you!" comment just before the start of the "Big Green Mother From Outer Space" number). number). The relationship Seymour and Audrey II had wasn't a romantic one. one. It was a parent and a child, and Audrey II attacked Audrey because it not only provided a food source, but it was also removing the source of it's parental abandonment. abandonment. Kinda puts things in perspective a bit: a man and his plant kid.
kid. Also, this perspective also answers a lot of Audrey II's behavior (such as how it's demands for food comes off like a toddler demanding to be fed).
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** Well, maybe the reason why Audrey II was attached to Seymour was because of the fact that it "raised" him. When Seymour tried to touch it with his injured finger after discovering it making "kissing sounds", it literally tried to bite it off. And then we see later in the "Some Fun Now" number, a more mature Audrey II is feeding off of Seymour's blood by sucking on it from his fingers instead of trying to bite it off. It feed off his blood for a long period of time. Essentially, Seymour was it's parent, which is why it didn't try to eat him (especially in the theatrical cut where it didn't even attempt to do so in the final face-off). Despite it's big size and it's attitude, it appeared to appreciated Seymour for raising it (hence the "And I wanna thank you!" comment just before the start of the "Big Green Mother From Outer Space" number). The relationship Seymour and Audrey II had wasn't a romantic one. It was a parent and a child, and Audrey II attacked Audrey because it not only provided a food source, but it was also removing the source of it's parental abandonment. Kinda puts things in perspective a bit: a man and his plant kid.
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* [[CrapsackWorld Skid Row]] [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory is Hell/purgatory]]. As in C.S. Lewis's ''TheGreatDivorce'', Hell and Purgatory are the same place (the "Gray Town"); whether you eventually leave or not determines which one it is for you. Notice how everyone wants to leave, but no one does, except by getting eaten. Also notice the sense of self-hatred and guilt all around; Audrey and Seymour both feel that they "deserve" their unhappiness.

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* [[CrapsackWorld Skid Row]] [[EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory is Hell/purgatory]]. As in C.S. Lewis's ''TheGreatDivorce'', ''Literature/TheGreatDivorce'', Hell and Purgatory are the same place (the "Gray Town"); whether you eventually leave or not determines which one it is for you. Notice how everyone wants to leave, but no one does, except by getting eaten. Also notice the sense of self-hatred and guilt all around; Audrey and Seymour both feel that they "deserve" their unhappiness.
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[[WMG: A film-hating wizard created a curse to switch the endings of Film/LittleShopOfHorrors and ATrollInCentralPark.]]
Of course this doesn't really make ATrollInCentralPark any better, as the true ending involves Stanley almost losing to Gnorga after an awesome VillainSong, only for Gnorga to be electrocuted to death by a stray wire, and Stanley and Rosie go and live in the suburbs somewhere.

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[[WMG: A film-hating wizard created a curse to switch the endings of Film/LittleShopOfHorrors and ATrollInCentralPark.WesternAnimation/ATrollInCentralPark.]]
Of course this doesn't really make ATrollInCentralPark WesternAnimation/ATrollInCentralPark any better, as the true ending involves Stanley almost losing to Gnorga after an awesome VillainSong, only for Gnorga to be electrocuted to death by a stray wire, and Stanley and Rosie go and live in the suburbs somewhere.



[[WMG: ATrollInCentralPark is a FutureImperfect retelling of the events of Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors.]]
The characters themselves were wiped out by the plantocalypse, and when the Audrey [=IIs=] left the Earth they only took their pods, leaving immobile vines. ''ATrollInCentralPark'' is an attempt by the survivors to explain what happened, years later, although they have somewhat forgotten of the violence of the plantocalypse.

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[[WMG: ATrollInCentralPark WesternAnimation/ATrollInCentralPark is a FutureImperfect retelling of the events of Theatre/LittleShopOfHorrors.]]
The characters themselves were wiped out by the plantocalypse, and when the Audrey [=IIs=] left the Earth they only took their pods, leaving immobile vines. ''ATrollInCentralPark'' ''WesternAnimation/ATrollInCentralPark'' is an attempt by the survivors to explain what happened, years later, although they have somewhat forgotten of the violence of the plantocalypse.
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[[WMG: Audrey II was sold to Seymour by [[PetShopOfHorrors Count D]]]]

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This troper read somewhere that WordOfGod had confirmed the plant to come from an alien species whose goal is to conquer other worlds in the same way Audrey II attempted. If that's true, then there's probably more than just flytraps. There's pitcher plants, sundews, butterworts, bladderworts, cobra lilies, and more. All of them have personalites similar to Audrey II (manipulative, foul-mouthed, and perverted.) and they also have different genders.

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This troper read somewhere that WordOfGod had confirmed the plant to have come from an alien species whose goal is to conquer other worlds in the same way Audrey II attempted. If that's true, then there's probably more than just flytraps. There's pitcher plants, sundews, butterworts, bladderworts, cobra lilies, and more. All of them have personalites similar to Audrey II (manipulative, foul-mouthed, and perverted.) and they also have different genders.
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[[WMG: Audrey II's species consists of other carnivorous plants.]]

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[[WMG: Audrey II's species consists of includes other carnivorous plants.plants, as well.]]

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