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6th Dec '15 3:57:17 PM ChocolateRob
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There are a few more hints to this when replaying or rewatching the series, lines of dialogue hinting at knowledge he doesn't seem to have in defiance and a slightly different demeanor spring to mind.

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There are a few more hints to this when replaying or rewatching the series, lines of dialogue hinting at knowledge he doesn't seem to have in defiance and a slightly different demeanor spring to mind.mind.

[[WMG:Moebius was always corrupted by madness.]]
His personality never changes in the years before and after the corruption of the circle because of his nature as the time guardian. As the guardian of Time he has a non linear nature where he can see his future as clearly as his past, because of this Nupraptor's madness affected him from his birth (much like Kain) even though the event happened centuries later.
28th Aug '15 9:02:26 PM WSM
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The Elder God is extremely active and interested in mortal affairs to the point of rewarding human servants. He also has some control over rebirth and destiny which already gives him greater power than Cthulhu or any of the other Old Ones. The only Lovecraft deity the Elder God resembles is Nyarlathotep (though the two have different personalities and motives) and Yog-Sothoth.


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\n*** The Elder God is extremely active and interested in mortal affairs to the point of rewarding human servants. He also has some control over rebirth and destiny which already gives him greater power than Cthulhu or any of the other Old Ones. The only Lovecraft deity the Elder God resembles is Nyarlathotep (though the two have different personalities and motives) and Yog-Sothoth.

28th Aug '15 9:02:00 PM WSM
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\n*** Cthulhu is the demigod ruler of the Deep Ones who is "dead" and asleep at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. When he awakens, he could potential destroy the world but beyond that, he has no interest or involvement in humanity. He can also be harmed by mortal weapons. In Lovecraft's pantheon, he's a very minor deity.

The Elder God is extremely active and interested in mortal affairs to the point of rewarding human servants. He also has some control over rebirth and destiny which already gives him greater power than Cthulhu or any of the other Old Ones. The only Lovecraft deity the Elder God resembles is Nyarlathotep (though the two have different personalities and motives) and Yog-Sothoth.

22nd Feb '15 5:14:41 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG:Kain is [[{{Gorillaz}} Murdoc Niccals']] grandfather.]]

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[[WMG:Kain is [[{{Gorillaz}} [[{{Music/Gorillaz}} Murdoc Niccals']] grandfather.]]
3rd Nov '14 10:08:29 PM shutyou
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[[WMG:Several encounters with Kain in Soul Reaver are(from his perspective) after Defiance.]]
At the end of Defiance,just before the final battle, Kain is trapped by the elder god with no obvious means of escape(according to the elder god when he talks to Raziel in the spectral realm). After Raziel sacrifices himself to purify the balance guardian, and after Kain whups the elder god, Kain just straight up teleports out of the chasm he is trapped in.

He never uses this trick in gameplay, only turning to a cloud of bats from high enough areas(presumably so only needs to maintain altitude during flight, rather than climbing himself).

He does however teleport around during his boss fights in Soul Reaver 1, Raziel doesn't bother to note this(assuming he had learned during the time he was in the abyss. He does still have a scar on his chest despite it healing after being purified, but this could simply be an illusion of his(he did have some glamor abilities in Blood Omen) or perhaps he recreated the wound to keep up the appearance just in case Raziel noticed. No longer having a heart this would not be fatal.

There are a few more hints to this when replaying or rewatching the series, lines of dialogue hinting at knowledge he doesn't seem to have in defiance and a slightly different demeanor spring to mind.
22nd Sep '14 8:29:45 PM shutyou
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- This was confirmed in BO1.

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- This was confirmed in BO1.BO1.

[[WMG: Raziel wasn't a wraith,he was still a vampire ]]
In the cancelled game "dead sun" there is a race of vampires known as "Saradin" that can shift to the spectral realm and devour souls as well as being blue of skin.

It would logically follow that these are actually a distant evolution of the Razielim, which has interesting implications about Raziel himself, like he would have actually evolved the soul reaving abilities that he has in his games over time anyway even if he hadn't been tossed into the lake of the dead.

Even more than that he may have actually continued evolving in his comatose state and the start of the game is just the elder got waking him up rather than resurrecting him.

Finally this would mean he was actually still a vampire throughout the series and simply couldn't drink blood(and thus physically restore himself) because his jaw and stomach were both dissolved during his fall/over the years as he recovered and he could only subsist on the souls of his enemies. How the elder god knew of his soul eating nature is unknown, maybe prophecy or just his being in the spectral realm clued him in.
13th Sep '14 9:21:38 PM Durison
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Nobody seems to have any clue as to why the change occurred, but we saw that Moebius already used his powers to manipulate events to allow his genocide against the vampires by manipulating William, so it seems entirely likely that was his doing.

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Nobody seems to have any clue as to why the change occurred, but we saw that Moebius already used his powers to manipulate events to allow his genocide against the vampires by manipulating William, so it seems entirely likely that was his doing.doing.
- This was confirmed in BO1.
23rd May '14 12:28:27 PM megazilla
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Neither The Elder God nor Moebius knew he will be back because he is now free from Wheel of Fate.

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Neither The Elder God nor Moebius knew he will be back because he is now free from Wheel of Fate.Fate.

[[WMG: Moebius is responsible for William the Just becoming the Nemesis]]
Nobody seems to have any clue as to why the change occurred, but we saw that Moebius already used his powers to manipulate events to allow his genocide against the vampires by manipulating William, so it seems entirely likely that was his doing.
3rd Dec '13 3:54:51 PM TheConductor
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[[WMG: Raziel, Kain and Janos ALL have free will]]
Raziel because he is a walking talking paradox. Janos and Kain because they have both lived past the point which they were supposed to die so destiny no longer has any kind of plans for either of them, making them wild cards.
9th Mar '13 1:48:48 AM Zone
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** If that was true then he would not have put up a fight, nor would he have given Raziel attitude. He took Kain telling him that Raziel would kill him as "he will ''try'' to", not literally, and Kain was being a bit of a dick doing that, prbably just telling him in order to pass the time. As for the "saved us" bit, all vampires considered humans to be inferior and the Sarafan to be bastards- even Raziel thought the same, until he found out he was one. Rahab is just less of a hypocrite in that regard; as far as he is considered, Kain "showed him the light" and made him a god- and ''that'' is how he "saved" him. The others did not rant about how great they were (Zephon and Dumah did, but Melchiah was revolted by what he had become), and Rahab ''did'' talk about how he was going to kill Raziel, ''and'' about how he was greater than humans with his "saved us" bit. He wasn't any more or less rational than the others- he was just a fanatic, same as he always was, now just vampiric rather than Sarafan.

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** If that was true then he would not have put up a fight, nor would he have given Raziel attitude. He took Kain telling him that Raziel would kill him as "he will ''try'' to", not literally, and Kain was being a bit of a dick doing that, prbably probably just telling him in order to pass the time. As for the "saved us" bit, all vampires considered humans to be inferior and the Sarafan to be bastards- even Raziel thought the same, until he found out he was one. Rahab is just less of a hypocrite in that regard; as far as he is considered, Kain "showed him the light" and made him a god- and ''that'' is how he "saved" him. The others did not rant about how great they were (Zephon and Dumah did, but Melchiah was revolted by what he had become), and Rahab ''did'' talk about how he was going to kill Raziel, ''and'' about how he was greater than humans with his "saved us" bit. He wasn't any more or less rational than the others- he was just a fanatic, same as he always was, now just vampiric rather than Sarafan.
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