History WMG / JamesAndTheGiantPeach

[[WMG: The film's robot shark was a [[{{Transformers}} Decepticon]].]]

If Spiker and Sponge are his sisters, that would fit with the [[AlliterativeFamily theme naming]].

That rhino that ate them? Either it was a target of theirs that escaped and gave them a KarmicDeath, or the feds busted them while they were dealing with smuggled rhino horn. The shopping thing was just a coverup they told to James to protect his innocence.

... That's why they made James' life a living Hell.

[[WMG: Spiker and Sponge made up the rhino in means of explanation. They killed James' parents.]]

[[WMG: Most of the film version took place in James' head.]]

The rhino that the aunts claim killed James' parents is a lie. Something far worse killed them and the aunts tell James it was a rhino.

Mr. Centipede represents America, Ms. Spider represents France, Mr. Grasshopper represents England Ms. Ladybug, represents Ireland Mr. Earthworm represents Scotland, and Ms. Glowworm represents I guess Russia? but that sounds about right.

If the rhino that killed James' parents was indeed an ''actual'' rhino instead of something metaphorical, the only logical explanation was that the rhino somehow managed to contract rabies or some other similar violence-inducing degenerative violence. The Trotter family were just very unfortunate to be at the zoo on the very day the disease finally took root in the rhino, causing it rampage and killing James' parents in the process. Either the way they were killed was so brutal that James' young mind at the time interpreted it as them being eaten, or the rhino really ''did'' eat their corpses due to the disease taking hold. The rhino was safely put down and euthanized, thankfully, but James was scarred for life.

[[WMG: Either one of James' parents was bullied by Sponge and Spiker]]

Most of the time, abusing one's family is not without reason. James' aunts may have been through the same level of abuse that they put him through when they were his age, thus they might've done so to him because they felt it wasn't fair that he should get to enjoy being his childhood when they never did theirs.

[[WMG: James' parents were wildlife smugglers or poachers]]

Considering that James had GoodParents, it's very likely that, whichever parent of his was their sibling, [[ThoseTwoBadGuys Aunts Sponge and Spiker]] [[BigSisterBully bullied them throughout their childhood/adolescence]] and was TheUnfavorite of inattentive parents who instead spoiled their two wretched daughters. His parents treat him well because getting hurt so often by two horrible sisters made their sibling decide they would never treat ''anyone'' as horribly as them.

That rhino that ate them? Either it was a target of theirs that escaped and gave them a KarmicDeath, or the feds busted them while they were dealing with smuggled rhino horn. The shopping thing was just a coverup they told to James.

Sponge and Spiker's abusive ways stem from their disgust at them and thinking James either is or will turn out a crook like them and are trying to stamp out any potential evil in him. Still doesn't justify their actions though.

[[WMG: The rhino never existed to begin with.]]

* In the original Novel, all of the Insects are supposed to be replacement relatives for James: Miss Spider acts as James's mother while Mr. Centipede acts as James's Father. The Grasshopper acts like James Grandpa. The Ladybug and Worm act like his aunt and uncle (Respectively). The Glowworm acts like his Grandma, and [[ThePeteBest The Silkworm]] acts like a lazy cousin. Yes, they aren't his real family, but in the Novel (And to a lesser extent the Film) they do become his family.

[[WMG: James Is Actually Dead And Fighting His Way Through The Nine Circles Of Hell (Dante's Inferno).]]
James is actually dead before the movie begins, and he is fighting his way through the nine circles of hell (according to Dante's Inferno).

4. Greed: His “aunts” then choose to make as much money as can from this giant peach that James has inadvertently created. James must choose weather he will be greedy and work with them, or try to stop them.

6. Heresy: They then become hungry, so they eat the inside of the peach. This is symbolic for one who becomes “hungry” for something more in his religion, so he goes to it's core and changes it completely. Therefore, heresey.

8. Fraud: The centipede then reveals that he lied about being a commodore, and that he knows very little about the sea.

9. Treachery: James then finally makes it to his destination, but his “aunts” are waiting for him. They then attempt to take back the peach for more money, and show little care about the well being of James. That's a pretty treacherous thing to do, if you ask me.

The Doctor had stated that he was trying to be old and mature when he was young to seem important and grand, and as he aged, learned to lighten up and cut loose a bit. So, another renegade Time Lord (there was like an entire generation, after all) with the same mindset is born, steals a TARDIS as well and goes off. He comes across James, and much like the Doctor, is compelled to help. The weird mix? It's either just a joke, or it really is made from that stuff, with some alien tech thrown in. The rhino? Somewhat blotted out memories of a Judoon attack.

It's black and shadowy with glowing yellow eyes and is apparently being controlled by two very nasty people. Also, it eats people despite rhinoceroses being herbivores usually.

The "crocodile tongues" are a potent mix of just about every hallucinogenic substance known to man and James, so miserable that he'd take anything offered by the first person who'd shown him even the smallest bit of kindness since he came to live with his aunts, was willing to accept the "witch's brew" answer at face-value. What ''really'' happened is the priest Spiker charged double called Child Services, who discovered that relatives of James's were living in New York City and took him there while he was asleep and tripping balls. (Still a happy ending, but seriously, that shark could ''only'' have been seen with, erm, outside assistance.)

... prior to going on a cracking crocodile tongue trip!

It had red eyes and shot at anything that moved. It might have also been used for more unsavory purposes, as the begining showed.

* Seeing as his parents seem to have been pretty well off, his aunts may have killed his parents for their money. Unfortunately, they blew all the money on their own purposes and in the process lost all of it, hence why they all live in a broken down shack.

Yes, the tongues gave him friends and an escape from his horrible life with his aunts, which is all that James ever wanted. Just like that island in ''Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader'', however, the thing that brings people's greatest daydreams to life also brings to life their greatest nightmares. The mechanical shark? As stated on the main page, it spits out the same fish heads that James's aunts fed to him at the beginning of the film that he was so disgusted with. Likewise, the cloud rhino was a product of James's fear of the rhino that killed his parents. This even extends beyond merely creating physical beings. One of James's worst nightmares is that his aunts will somehow find him and make him return to his old life. This would definitely explain how Aunt Spiker and Aunt Sponge were somehow able to drive ''across the ocean'', judging by the state of their car: James's fear was brought to life by the tongues and gave them the ability to do so.

Don't know how obvious this is, but I'm throwing it out there. James and his parents were watching clouds and picking out shapes. A thunderhead rolls up on them. James thinks it looks like a charging Rhino. Pa and Ma James get struck by lightning. James thinks the Rhino killed them. James' aunts are asshole enough to make fun of him for it. James sees every thundercloud as a rhino from that point forward.

* Alternatively, it was the skeleton of a [[Franchise/PiratesOfTheCaribbean different Jack]], and possible evidence that they're really one and the same.

They were really humans, James just saw them as bugs.

Let's just say that the Crocodile Tongues were hardcore drugs. They made James go completely nuts. So, the Peach wasn't a peach (maybe it was a boat?). But nonetheless, he escaped his aunts and went to the "peach". On the inside, he met men and women with names that were of insects (and arachnids), and that only supported his drug-crazed theory that they weren't human. Miss Spider was French, Mr Centipede was from Brooklyn, and so on, with the Glow-worm being an elderly woman and the Earthworm being a blind, paranoid man. They all took off in the peach-boat and went through their adventures.

[[WMG: The bugs represent the countries their from.]]
Mr. Centipede represents America, Ms. Spider represents France, Mr. Grasshopper represents England Ms. Ladybug, represents Ireland Mr. Earthworm represents Scotland, and Ms. Glowworm represents I guess Russia? but that's sounds about right.

The rhino was just a made up ploy by his aunts to scare James into obedience. James, being young as he is, presumably doesn’t remember what really happened. They constantly threaten him with it and the story is that they ate his parents despite the fact that rhinos are strictly herbivores – they do not eat meat. Also, the only time this rhino appears outside of his nightmares is during a storm, which might have been ether a hallucination or a projection of his fears.

Mrs. Trotter was able to come back to Earth in a different form to take care of her child. Despite being a spider and in danger in Spiker and sponge's house, she doesn't leave James, comes back to the hill after he frees her from his aunts, and, over the course of the film, takes care of him the most. She may not have all of her memories from her time as a human, but the thing that brought her back- the love for her son- remains.
* In the original Novel, all of the Insects are suppose to be replacement relatives for James: Miss Spider acts as James's mother while Mr. Centipede acts as James's Father. The Grasshopper acts like James Grandpa. The Ladybug and Worm act like his aunt and uncle (Respectively). The Glowworm acts like his Grandma, and [[ThePeteBest The Silkworm]] acts like a lazy cousin. Yes, they aren't his real family, but in the Novel (And to a lesser extent the Film) they do become his family.

Think about it, James was very young when his parents died so he wouldn't remember it well, But what if they died in a car accident because the other driver was Drunk at the Wheel, James could have seen a Black Shape, the headlights could have looked like glowing eyes and a hood ornament could have looked like a Horn. Also he could have overheard people say they were killed by a "Wino" and misheard it as Rhino, then his imagination got the better of him. Plus when Spiker and Sponge found out what he thought happened they used it as means of controlling him, telling him if he doesn't behave the Rhino will get him.

[[WMG:The rhino was rabid]]
If the rhino that killed James' parents was indeed an ''actual'' rhino instead of something metaphorical, the only logical explanation was that the rhino somehow managed to contract rabies, or some other similar violence inducing degenerative violence. The Trotter family were just very unfortunate to be at the zoo on the very day the disease finally took root in the rhino, causing it rampage and killing James' parents in the process. Either the way they were killed was so brutal that James' young mind at the time interpreted it as them being eaten, or the rhino really ''did'' eat their corpses due to the disease taking hold. The rhino was safely put down and euthanized, thankfully, but James was definitely scarred for life.

The fact Spiker and Sponge used the rhino to scare James into obedience if there really was a killer rhino would only make the two even MORE heinous they originally thought, and any future appearances of the rhino would be James's horrifically memories and fears being projecting upon whatever life threatening thing came his way (in this case, a massive hurricane/thunderstorm).

[[WMG:The family that the Aunts kicked out would testify against them as payback]]
* After making press headlines, the family would recognize the aunts that kicked them out of the peach's display just because [[DisproportionateRetribution the little girl wanted to touch the peach]]. They'd explain ''everything'' that happened to them, and possibly file a lawsuit for the abuse (and thus cause many others to speak against them and for James). So, if the "Spike the Aunts" epilogue was just a video game, and not what happened to them, then chances are, the aunts would suffer ''[[TheDogBitesBack more]]'' than just prison and possible ([[MoralEventHorizon but deserved]]) execution.
** That and the Aunts's arrest took place on opposite sides of the Atlantic. Unless that family was a tourist family from New York (which might be the case, it was never stated in the book or movie IIRC), they wouldn't even know of the Aunts' fate.
** Being mean to kids isn't illegal. Hell, it's not even a sueable offence. And execution? Where do you live, Saudi Arabia?

** Even in the 1950s, denying a kid the right to touch a peach for an unjustified reason would result in [[MamaBear her]] [[PapaWolf parents]] spreading word that the two women displaying the peach are very nasty, giving [[ChildHater Spiker and Sponge]] a negative reputation and deriving them of tourists. What also twists the knifes in their cold hearts is that right after the poor girl, a cameraman was there. He might've helped the girl by giving the peach display a negative review in the papers.\\
James became an overnight celebrity, so he might do a report on the origins of the peach. The girl's family finds out through a newspaper on the fate of the aunts, and sigh on their karma.\\

*** At the very least, they'll be deported from the United States, not just for attempted murder, but also for attempted terrorism, given that they would've killed everyone in New York City in their VillainousBreakdown had the bugs not appeared in time (you can't really call the police "useless", as they were given no time between getting everyone to safety and shooting the aunts dead to protect James). And to protect James even further, they'll be banned from ever leaving the UK (if they ever leave prison).

Until it turned evil, possibly corrupted by dark magic, and somehow became a thunderstorm and kills people at random. James parents' were unfortunate targets. This is the reason why the old man helped James out, as he felt responsible for his parents' deaths, and also fears the Rhino will return for him.

Even then, that leaves the question of which side of the family, Sponge and Spiker are on?

During the scene where Sponge and Spiker openly antagonize him for his intent to travel to New York, they say "(his) mother had his head in the clouds". This raises two possibilites:

2) If his father was their sibling, that could mean they harboured distrust towards his wife and would thus have no problems speaking ill of them any chance they got.

Either way, it would explain why James [[DownerBeginning started off with a better life before tragedy struck]].

Sponge and Spiker's abusive ways stem from their disgust at them and thinking James either is or will turn out a crook like them and are trying to stamp out any potential evil in him. Still doesn't justify their actions though.

That rhino that ate them? Either it was a target of theirs that escaped and gave them a KarmicDeath, or the feds busted them while they were dealing with smuggled rhino horn.

Most of the time, abusing one's family is not without reason. James' aunts may have been through the same level of abuse that they put him through when they were his age, thus they might've done so to him because they felt it wasn't fair that he should get to enjoy being his childhood when they never did theirs.

Either way, it would explain why James [[DownerBeginning started off with a better life before tragedy struck]].

2) If his father was their sibling, that could mean they harboured distrust towards his wife and resentment (not to mention envy) that he found a nicer lady in his life and would thus have no problems speaking ill of them any chance they got.

The proof is that both were AdaptedOut of the film versions.

In the book, it's stated that, when James was four, his parents were eaten by a rhino while on a shopping trip to London. Mr. and Mrs. Trotter didn't take their son with them. What if, aside from knowing a four-year-old would prefer to play at the beach with his friends, they knew they were expecting a second child and were going to shop for a new baby? After all, they were still a young couple and since James was only four, it would have been a good time to have a second child. Perhaps they would have come home from their London trip and told James he would soon have a new brother or sister. If so, it would have made their deaths all that more tragic.