History WMG / HomestuckUnified

* [[FunnyAneurysmMoment It may not be too long before this is actually true.]] The Warweary Villein witnessed his army get slaughtered in ''seconds''; Jack Noir has seemingly gone on a berserk rampage; gallowsCalibrator seems to have lost it, and with their impending doom, the other trolls may follow; Mom has seemed somewhat unhinged throughout the story; Davesprite is from an alternate future where John and Jade were dead; John has had a HeroicBSOD twice, found out that he has a RoomFullOfCrazy, and created himself and his friends through ectobiology; Rose fused with a dream self from the aforementioned alternate future, and has Lovecraftian horrors talking to her; Dave threw his own corpse out the window, then just stared at his hands for ten minutes; Jade taxidermied her own grandfather before the story started, and now her dream self has died; and sooner or later it's going to sink in that pretty much everyone the kids ever knew, except the kids themselves and their guardians, is DEAD.

Aradia prototyped her own ghost. Dave prototyped his alternate future self. Caliborn, being in a Master Class, outdid 'em all and prototyped [[UpToEleven his whole planet, apparently with himself on it, and the dying star next to it]]. Clearly, this is a theme for Time players: their temporal manipulations depend to a great degree on having some knowledge of the [[StableTimeLoop overall]] [[TimeParadox time]] [[TimeyWimeyBall mechanics]] of Sburb / Sgrub, which can be gained earlier through self-prototyping (or prototyping a helpful alternate timeline version of themselves) than through other means.

** Any evidence that we have that the beta kids are the only four to get through the first part of Sburb is pure speculation on Rose's part. There could be dozens of sessions originating from that Earth. Likewise, we know of at least one universe with two different session in it, since the Cherub session started on the same world as the Alpha session. Finally, the Trolls are noted to have a galaxy-spanning empire, conquering several alien species, any of which could have the code to make the game (likewise, those worlds kept on living even after all the trolls died out; the universe was destroyed 612 sweeps later when Snowman died, but that's still 1326 years -- plenty of time for a lot of things to happen).

Over the course of the series there's hints that other players are playing Sburb, though we never see them. [=FedoraFreak=] is implied to have actually made it to the God Tiers, though we never see him or his planet. This is because Sburb (and all variations thereof) run several sessions consecutively, though they're unrelated. This is because while a multiplayer game, Sburb is not an MMO. For example, though me and my friends are playing Left 4 Dead together, there's hundreds of other unrelated games happening at he same time. This is why all the kids know each other, Paradox Space pits you together with players you're more likely to work with.

There are dozens, perhaps hundreds of other sessions happening at the same time all separate from one another, with their own group of Exiles, Derse and Prospit, Denizens, and worlds, though the classes and rules are universal. This way even if most sessions are glitched or void, chances are at least one group will make a new universe for the game to continue.

** Any evidence that we have that the beta kids are the only four to get through the first part of Sburb is pure speculation on Rose's part. There could be dozens of sessions originating from that Earth. Likewise, we know of at least one universe with two different session in it, since the Cherub session started on the same world as the Alpha session. Finally, the Trolls are noted to have a galaxy-spanning empire, conquering several alien species, any of which could have the code to make the game (likewise, those worlds kept on living even after all the trolls died out).

** He does not. He does like the concept of Wiki/TVTropes but feels in it's execution we miss the point of the work in favor of categorizing and filing everything about it.

Namely, Spades Slick, Bec Noir, [=PM=], Her Imperious Condescension, Union Jack (who will snap out of it and get pissed at English for manipulating him) and so on. Aranea is already ''sort of'' on the side of heroes, she's just dumb and self-centered, but if Vriska could snap out of it, Aranea can too. Her Imperious Condescension seems to already have the same goals as the kids - create a new universe, defeat Lord English, and warp spacetime so that the trolls ''can'' be resurrected. Spades Slick is Karkat's friend; sure, trolls exiled him, but seeing how [[KnifeNut stabbing]] [[CloudCuckoolander is his way of greeting]] he might not think much of it; and anyway Lord English is the rival mob boss for him, so EnemyMine. Bec Noir and [=PM=] are Jade's dogs, and apart from that, [=PM=] is consistently on the side of Good, while Bec is in love with her; if she's willing to delay her revenge a little, they might well work together. And Union Jack, if he somehow gets rid of English-inspired madness, is still Condesce's underling and is known to not be happy about [[MindControl others bossing him around]]. In the end, there's no real reason for them all to fight, the whole antagonism shtick is mostly the game rules, and these have already been shattered to pieces and danced on.

Over the course of the series there's hints that other players are playing Sburb, though we never see them. FedoraFreak is implied to have actually made it to the God Tiers, though we never see him or his planet. This is because Sburb (and all variations thereof) run several sessions consecutively, though they're unrelated. This is because while a multiplayer game, Sburb is not an MMO. For example, though me and my friends are playing Left 4 Dead together, there's hundreds of other unrelated games happening at he same time. This is why all the kids know each other, Paradox Space pits you together with players you're more likely to work with.

His answer? Because he realized they were NotSoDifferent. WV won't take too kindly to this answer.

Spades may have smashed Vriska's clock, and Aranea manipul8ed (or tried to manipul8) Jade's, but does that mean that their deaths ''weren't'' actually just, or even that the clocks wouldn't have landed there? They stop in the center briefly, but we've never seen a "normal" god tier FinalDeath - it may be that this always happens. Vriska's death, at least, is very easy to read as actually having been just - Jade's is a bit harder, since she was possessed, but maybe it's whether Aranea was justified, not whether Jade deserved to die? That is the crack there.

* Tenatively jossed by UU

* Except Snowman isn't the Black Queen from Caliborn's session, but the trolls'.

On top of that, they needed to make sure that whatever this multiversal constant was that would secure the perpetual continuance of their genetic algorithm, it would manifest itself in a form simple enough for any other sentient beings which might emerge to understand and put into action, just as these scientists were presently doing by considering and programming all this. So on top of simply existing, the algorithm had to be well documented and user friendly -- all this in the face of the circumstances of impending galactic collapse under which it would have to be invoked.

[[WMG: Lineup for the final show down will relate 413.]]
This troper thinks it will line up like this 4 humans, 3 trolls probably Karkat, Terezi and Vriska (Somehow Aradia and Vriska will switch live and dead status as they seem to be intended to be opposites of one another) and now we officially have our 1 with fedoraFreak being in the medium... and appearently godtier.
* What about Kanaya?
* 4 trolls, 4 alpha kids, 4 beta kids, and Calliope. 4 session offer 13 players.


Alternatively 413 and 612
4 children enter final battle. John, Rose, Dave and Jade.
1 unknown player enter. Being fedorafreak.
3 reset players enter. Nana, Kid Hass, Little Bro and Missy Lalonde, one is unlikely to make it.
6 trolls enter final battle. Karkat, Aradia, Kanaya, Terezi, Vriska and Gamzee.
1 troll revive and enter. We know Vriska returns to witness the green sun.
2 random trolls become relevant again and enter. That Jaspersprite-Nepeta pesterlog was fairly ominous other than maybe Sollux who seems to keep trying to grab some spotlight dispite not actually doing much.

** '''Jossed''', sadly. [[spoiler:When claiming the reward, there are both the Alpha and Beta kids, three Trolls, Calliope and Dad Crocker. Also, the final confrontation with Lord English involves Vriska unsealing Caliborn's Juju, which contains the spirits of the Beta kids, to use against him.]]

** The prediction is vague enough to apply with some stretching. Say, in [S] Collide the Beta Kids engage in the final battle in groups of 4 (John, Roxy, Rose, Kanaya), 1 (Jade), and 3 (Dave, Dirk, and Terezi).

** He does not. He does like the concept of TvTropes but feels in it's execution we miss the point of the work in favor of categorizing and filing everything about it.

[[WMG: Act 7 is a psycheout.]]

Yes, this means [[SoylentGreen The Green Sun is people.]]

* Life: Bringing back the dead without the need of a dream self (makes sense when Fef [[CommonMarySueTraits has so many Mary Sue traits as it is]]). She can also heal wounds and revitalize allies.