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*** [[AnythingThatMoves Bard of Fuck]]
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** They are both in some form of TriangRelations with Aradia/AA: Equius/CT secretly pines after Aradia, and at the very least, Aradia has a thing for Sollux/TA.
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** They are both in some form of TriangRelations LoveTriangle with Aradia/AA: Equius/CT secretly pines after Aradia, and at the very least, Aradia has a thing for Sollux/TA.
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** One explanation for this is because, if I correctly recall the ways in which troll romance is weird, the pairings that contribute their genetic material do so to a large amount of incestuous slurry. (And no, this theory is not solely an excuse to use that phrase.) Theoretically, it wouldn't matter what the sex of trolls involved when the filial pails get passed around, especially because Andrew hasn't really extrapolated on that in terms of differences from human concepts of "male" or "female". (Probably because he agrees that the job of coming up with genitalia for your alien race should be left to the musclebeast artists.)
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** One explanation for this is because, if I correctly recall the ways in which troll romance is weird, because the pairings that contribute their genetic material do so to a large amount of incestuous slurry. (And no, this theory is not solely an excuse to use that phrase.) Theoretically, it wouldn't matter what the sex of trolls involved when the filial pails get passed around, especially because Andrew hasn't really extrapolated on that in terms of differences from human concepts of "male" or "female". (Probably because he agrees that the job of coming up with genitalia for your alien race should be left to the musclebeast artists.)
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* I'd like to second this notion. Though the way I figured, it was less a DefectorFromDecadence and more that he wanted to ''be'' a leader without having the role handed to him just because of his blood - Similar to NicolasCage, which makes it all the more fitting given Karkat's love of guilty-pleasure films.
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* I'd like to second this notion. Though the way I figured, it was less a DefectorFromDecadence and more that he wanted to ''be'' a leader without having the role handed to him just because of his blood - Similar to NicolasCage, Creator/NicolasCage, which makes it all the more fitting given Karkat's love of guilty-pleasure films.
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Okay, so, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 this]] makes me feel like Psycho Mantis in TheLastDaysOfFOXHOUND, even moreso than I did in that pointless rant aways above. (Don't read it, it's pointless.) Anyway, my current guess as to how to get that explanation to satisfy me... Most multicellular life on Alternia is a colonial organism composed of multiple symbiotic species' gametophyte stages. (Here's the silly bit): when the cells undergo reproductive mitosis, a combination of physical and psychic connection means that each gametophyte has some sort of... sympathetic resonance with the mind of its parent colony. The stronger the feelings between each parent in a pair, the more... something... the resulting sporophyte of each species. Point is, that increases reproductive fitness in the context of the Matriorb. Anyway, after that silliness is done, and the sporophytes of each species compete in the matriorb, the most fit undergo meiosis, and the resulting gametophyte cells form the appropriate colonies. (Given the signaling that pretty much all multicellular life performs with its symbiotic bacteria, it's not too surprising if something like that could actually work.) If true, this has the side-effect of giving Alternian life something very close to LEGOGenetics.
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Okay, so, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004296 this]] makes me feel like Psycho Mantis in TheLastDaysOfFOXHOUND, ''Webcomic/TheLastDaysOfFOXHOUND'', even moreso than I did in that pointless rant aways above. (Don't read it, it's pointless.) Anyway, my current guess as to how to get that explanation to satisfy me... Most multicellular life on Alternia is a colonial organism composed of multiple symbiotic species' gametophyte stages. (Here's the silly bit): when the cells undergo reproductive mitosis, a combination of physical and psychic connection means that each gametophyte has some sort of... sympathetic resonance with the mind of its parent colony. The stronger the feelings between each parent in a pair, the more... something... the resulting sporophyte of each species. Point is, that increases reproductive fitness in the context of the Matriorb. Anyway, after that silliness is done, and the sporophytes of each species compete in the matriorb, the most fit undergo meiosis, and the resulting gametophyte cells form the appropriate colonies. (Given the signaling that pretty much all multicellular life performs with its symbiotic bacteria, it's not too surprising if something like that could actually work.) If true, this has the side-effect of giving Alternian life something very close to LEGOGenetics.
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* Well, the kids can't have preceded them chronologically, since the events of Act 5 take place long before Earth even existed. However, they ''could'' have shaped their culture around Rose's GameFAQs guide, which is currently being broadcast across ''all of space '''and time.'''''
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* Well, the kids can't have preceded them chronologically, since the events of Act 5 take place long before Earth even existed. However, they ''could'' have shaped their culture around Rose's GameFAQs Website/GameFAQs guide, which is currently being broadcast across ''all of space '''and time.'''''
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[[WMG: The Dead Pisces Troll (Meenah) was the TokenEvilTeammate of Pre-Scratch Alternia's Session...]]
...And Post-Scratch Alternia only has a caste system because she switched with Feferi.
* Keeping in mind, of course, that the Pre-Scratch session failed because the trolls were a ''peaceful'' species and that Alternia was a utopia. Meanwhile all we've seen of the Pisces troll is that she's AxCrazy...
** Is she really axe crazy though? Sure, she attacks Roxy, but she's portrayed along the lines of a 90s era mosh-punk, and she didn't exactly try too hard to hold her once Roxy fought back. Maybe her surprise attack was just her way of saying "hello".
*** ...When was the last time you introduced yourself to someone by pulling a weapon on them? At any rate, she's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006653 confirmed]] to have violent intentions against Roxy, saying she wanted kill her "for the [[{{Pun}} halibut]]".
* And that Feferi was far too peaceful and friendly on Post-Scratch Alternia, even willing to abolish the caste system entirely- the two of them must have been switched before departing!
** For what its worth, Equius says that the higher you go on the hemospectrum, the more naturally bloodthirsty and violent you are prone to be. Perhaps it was a lot harder to know how to express yourself in pre-Scratch Alternia, but the Condesence and those who share her blood color were just the grand high sociopaths of that era.
* Was thought to be confirmed untill 9/24/12 with the reveal of Kurloz Makara.
** More generally, Aranea was right: Meenah turns out to be a pretty cool chick when you get to know her (to the point she's actually trying to raise an army to ''fight'' the BigBad), especially compared to quite a few of her teammates; even Kankri comes off as less sympathetic than her. And Damara may well be an even better candidate for token evilness, though admittedly Meenah had something to do with that.
...And Post-Scratch Alternia only has a caste system because she switched with Feferi.
* Keeping in mind, of course, that the Pre-Scratch session failed because the trolls were a ''peaceful'' species and that Alternia was a utopia. Meanwhile all we've seen of the Pisces troll is that she's AxCrazy...
** Is she really axe crazy though? Sure, she attacks Roxy, but she's portrayed along the lines of a 90s era mosh-punk, and she didn't exactly try too hard to hold her once Roxy fought back. Maybe her surprise attack was just her way of saying "hello".
*** ...When was the last time you introduced yourself to someone by pulling a weapon on them? At any rate, she's [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006653 confirmed]] to have violent intentions against Roxy, saying she wanted kill her "for the [[{{Pun}} halibut]]".
* And that Feferi was far too peaceful and friendly on Post-Scratch Alternia, even willing to abolish the caste system entirely- the two of them must have been switched before departing!
** For what its worth, Equius says that the higher you go on the hemospectrum, the more naturally bloodthirsty and violent you are prone to be. Perhaps it was a lot harder to know how to express yourself in pre-Scratch Alternia, but the Condesence and those who share her blood color were just the grand high sociopaths of that era.
* Was thought to be confirmed untill 9/24/12 with the reveal of Kurloz Makara.
** More generally, Aranea was right: Meenah turns out to be a pretty cool chick when you get to know her (to the point she's actually trying to raise an army to ''fight'' the BigBad), especially compared to quite a few of her teammates; even Kankri comes off as less sympathetic than her. And Damara may well be an even better candidate for token evilness, though admittedly Meenah had something to do with that.
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[[WMG: The moment the Pre-Scratch Summoner would appear...]]
...Is when Dante finally reaches ''Rufio: Make him pay''.
* "Jossed" if his sillhouette counts, but it did coincide with Dante releasing an audio clip of him reading Dave.
* And now Dante ''has'' reached that point, and there's no sign of any further appearance of him...
[[WMG: Meenah will eventually use her Thief of Life powers to bring herself and/or the other Pre-Scratch trolls (or at least Aranea) back to life and then they will attempt to defeat Lord English]]
It's said that Lord English can only be destroyed through a number of time-based glitches and loopholes. What's a bigger glitch/loophole than twelve trolls, whose timeline has been eliminated from the face of existence, coming back to life? In fact that might even be the reason why Meenah attacked Roxy in the first place, she was going to steal Roxy's life so that she could use it to help revive the others! Or at least revive Aranea if there are no others.
* Jossed via misunderstand. That doesn't fit in with the role of a Thief; that's much more in line with a Rogue of Life than anything else. However, Meenah as the Thief of Life has both the literal interpretation of her title, that she's a murderer and ruined the lives of the others with sburb, or a more metaphorical take, in that her alternate as the Condesce basically distorted Alternia to the point where virtually all the other Ancestors were completely miserable, save herself.
[[WMG: The pre-Scratch Ancestors escaped the Scratch]]
I know, this doesn't make any sense, right? They're all quite clearly dead.
Except...
Doc Scratch says this about the A1 Scratch: "This reset would come at the cost of wiping the failed heroes from existence."
But then Aranea says something slightly different: "the choice to do so came with accepting the annihilation of our existing forms"
Almost similar, but not quite. It's implied that Ancestors are in dream bubbles because Meenah killed them all before the Scratch erased them. If so, "existing forms" could translate to "existing bodies". In other words, the price of the Scratch was to erase the bodies of the pre-Scratch Ancestors from existence.
And this is totally different from just erasing the A1 trolls. Why?
[[ProphecyTwist No-one said]] [[AintNoRule those bodies]] [[ExactWords had to belong]] ''[[TrickedOutTime to the alpha timeline.]]''
So according to this WMG, the Ancestors had their doomed timeline selves start the Scratch for them. But why hasn't Doc Scratch, Aranea or even UU indicated anything about this? In a word, Void.
It's already established that Void blocks out Doc Scratch omniscience. But UU takes it a step further and says Void can ''destroy'' knowledge. Which seems to indicate some form of altering memories. Depending on pre-Scratch Darkleer's abilities, he could have blacked out the entire session and erased the memories of their doomed timeline counterparts, making them think they were from the alpha timeline. In other words, [[DidYouJustScamCthulhu they pranked]] [[LaserGuidedKarma Doc Scratch]]. And he still wouldn't be lying about his earlier statement, because doomed timeline players are failed heroes, after a fashion.
How did the alpha timeline trolls physically leave their session then? This is where Roxy's dream self and TheGreatFlood references come into play. The B2 kids somehow create an [[TheArk Ark]] for the A1 session, which Roxy sends through the void using her Message In A Bottle Modus. They could probably also send Jake's size changers (the ones Liv Tyler has) so they could grow/shrink the Ark, and maybe other things too. Like their planets. And then they blast off for eithier the Furthest Ring or another Yellow Yard that Hussie set up in secret. This will make them a SpannerInTheWorks for Lord English's ambiguously defined plans.
Speaking of Hussie, this troper guesses the Hussie that died was also a doomed timeline self, and the real Hussie is hiding out in a secret base somewhere, explaining why he can still narrate even though he's dead (Dream Bubbles are not the Fourth Wall). A revelation like this is just the sort of thing Hussie would parody with a fourth wall breaking segment.
Convoluted and complicated? Yes. But this is Homestuck.
* First and largest problem: it was Meenah's plan specifically that saved them from utter destruction. While what exactly the Life aspect does is still ambiguous, and it may very well cover the use of alternate selves, the fact remains that Meenah's plan couldn't invoke the use of the Hero of Void, especially given Aranea says nobody liked Meenah at all.
** Secondly, the Aranea we see is God Tiered. A God Tiered player tricked into being a sacrifice with implanted memories probably wouldn't even qualify as Heroic or Just, whereas the implication otherwise is that Aranea died in a HeroicSacrifice against Meenah.
** Thirdly, without a God Tiered Seer of Light, there's virtually no way they could have navigated to the Alpha Session anyways; a Slyph's domain doesn't cover that and we have no idea who the Seer of the session was, if there even was one. Even Terezi's abilities weren't even enough to navigate the Furthest Ring, Rose's specific abilities were uniquely suited to the task
** Fourthly, there's far too much extrapolation here. The Alpha Kids don't even know who the Pre-Scratch Trolls are, and given Meenah attempted to murder Roxy might not even care if they die! There's no indication that Void powers can alter memories, and there's no way without the influence of the Handmaid's duplicate that the doomed timeline doubles could be part of the plan. Not to mention there's no sign of Trolls ''anywhere'' in the Alpha Sessions mythology and all signs point to them dying at some point; there's already room enough for them to be a SpannerInTheWorks without introducing a convoluted plot to save 12 characters that haven't even been shown!
** Lastly, the Green Sun's ignition and flash came only a fair amount of time after the Trolls completed their session; given the dire straits the Pre-Scratch Session was in (seemingly identical to those of the Beta Human Session), they wouldn't have had time to see the flash and know where to go.
* Going with '''Jossed''' for a writing reason: Andrew is culiminating a variety of arcs and the story is winding down now, despite evidence to the contrary. Not many characters have been introduced completely new at this stage; only UU and uu are completely new to Act 6, and even they are reflections of Karkat. With all the plot threads Andrew is busy tying closed, it's extremely unlikely that he will introduce 12 largely new characters (as the theory relies on the fact that they are different from the Aranea and Meenah we saw) and save them, especially when the prophecy about the total deaths of all the original 12 trolls is taken into account. The theory hinges on an interpretation that Aranea and Doc didn't say the same thing, which is total YMMV. Aranea's comments are the same as Doc's when you consider she probably meant "current forms" as in their iterations as players. From there, the theory dances on so many loose connections that it's impossible to put any weight on it.
* Meanwhile, Meenah apparently killed everyone using her session's Tumor.
[[WMG: Meena will be a RedHerring of some sort]]
She ''is'' a purple-red fish.
* Already Jossed. If nothing else, she's providing characterization on the Condesce.
** I didn't say what she'd be a RedHerring ''for'', merely that she would be one.
*** That doesn't mean anything. A RedHerring is at heart an intentionally misleading character, and with Meenah's successful plan to save the Pre-Scratch Trolls and providing characterization on the Condesce, she cannot be a RedHerring. Also purple-red has a name, it's Fuchsia.
[[WMG:Meenah killed herself in order not to cease to exist, due to the Scratch.]]
Aranea just happened to die previously on their adventure.
* There's no indication death via Scratch is in any way different from death any other way.
** Aranea has now directly stated that ordinarily a Scratch death leads to CessationOfExistence.
* Now that you bring it up, does scratching count as dooming the timeline? The Babies/Grubs being sent in reverse order and all.
** No because it was predestined. See such plot events as Jake and Jade being in contact, etc.
* Close, though the WMG is probably Jossed as it seems Meenah killed ''everyone'', Aranea included.
[[WMG: All of the dead trolls will be effectively opposites of their Post-Scratch counterparts.]]
As mentioned above, the dead trolls presented thus far are Face Heel Reversals of their counterparts- Meenah is less caring and more violent than Feferi was while Aranea is more sympathetic than the sadistic Vriska. It could be a theme amongst the rest of them, once introduced!
* Given what we know of some of the other troll ancestors, this has some weight: The Sufferer crusaded for peace while Karkat is perpetually angry, The Summoner led rebellions while Tavros lacks confidence, The Executor questioned the supremacy of highbloods while Equius believes wholeheartedly in it, The Handmaid is rebellious towards Doc Scratch and Lord English while Aradia serves the spirits she hears without question... It is, however, a far more difficult case for other ancestors.
** Only the problem is that Ancestors are [[FlatCharacter one-dimensional stereotypes]] while players are much more complicated. Compare the Alpha Kids to their counterparts as Beta Guardians, or the Beta Kids. Roxy and Rose in particular are strongly opposed, but even then they're not one-dimensionally the exact opposite of each other. Remember too the Sufferer's cool broke over into rage, while Karkat's rage is always tempered by his true kindness, the Summoner's rebellion ended in failure, like Tavros's, the Executor lamented his decision the rest of his life, while Equius's whole hearted devotion to the blood caste system led directly to his death, and the Handmaid was groomed to be nothing but a slave, while Aradia willingly learned to serve. Exact opposites, no. Overlapping highly, absolutely!
*** Even comparing Meenah & Feferi, they aren't exact opposites. Feferi could be pretty callous and didn't exactly let down Eridan the easiest she could, and Meenah at the very least is very outgoing and energetic. One's AxCrazy and the other is a GenkiGirl who happens to be a NightmareFuelStationAttendant. Also on Pre-Scratch Alternia, the Vast Glub could never be used as a threat to cull entire castes, eliminating one of the tentpoles of the Condesce's empire, and possibly the only thing keeping her from being overthrown.
*** And outright Jossed by Aranea's characterization.
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[[WMG: Vriska from the doomed timeline where she fought Jack Noir will appear in the Alpha Universe and prototype herself as a sprite]]
Jake's sprite, probably. She'll get to the Alpha Universe by following the light of the Green Sun, which probably could still be seen in her doomed timeline. It would be completely unexpected, and Vriska is the ParodySue character, so of course she'd have to become part-Sprite to catch up with Jade.
* Alternately, UU is the doomed timeline Vriska.
** Or someone (John?) will prototype a sprite with Vriska's dead body. Preferably ''after'' the new kids enter the game, unless he wants the enemies they face in the Medium to have all the levels. All of them.
*** Probably Jake, considering the bit of forshadowing with "You have a thing for sassy spider based girls that will probably never affect your life in any way, ever."...and he doesn't appear to have any dead relative remains with him...even if he did, it would be pretty awkward for there to be TWO Jades simultaneously...in fact, perhaps the alpha kids will ALL prototype something different...following up with other theories, if Jaspers does in fact become this timeline's first guardian, that would be suitable for mom, and make the endboss not incredibly easy to kill (considering Jade has all the powers of a god tier, a kernelsprite, AND a first guardian...), and bro might prototype his autoresponder...wait, perhaps the other thing Jake will prototype will be the fairybull he killed...(preentry, that one)...and perhaps Jane will finally get Dad prototyped?...(he was never ectobiologically created, but he appeared in both timelines, as a midpoint between Jane and John...he has to come in somewhere...)
*** '''Jossed''' as of what we know for several reasons. 1) Vriska from the doomed timeline is doomed, and even if she were to flee her session after defeating Jack, there's no indication she'd be able to find her way through the Furthest Ring to the Alpha Session, which is a difficult task even for Rose. 2) Vriska's body is on the Troll asteroid which is ''impossible'' for it to enter the session until at least Jane has entered, and there's many indications that John and Jade will reach the session prior to the others anyways. While a Tier 2 prototyping is possible though unlikely, a Tier 1 is impossible. 3) By that point, Vriska's body will have been decomposing for 3 years, so unless they cremate the Troll bodies, well that'd be kinda gross! 4) It has been suggested (via WV's need for the healings) that the Trolls may end up healed in some fashion anyways, or conversely, are all supposed to end up dead (via Mom Lalonde's book series). Looking at parallels, the most commonly suggested ideas for sprites are Poppop Crocker for Jane (Tier 1 unknown, but occasionally suggested to be PS-related shenanigans), the Auto Responder for Dirk (to parallel Davesprite), and either Grandma English or Jake himself for Jake.
*** Don't be so quick to call {{Jossed}} until all the prototypings are done, bro. (1) Time is meaningless in the Furthest Ring, (2) the Session clearly exists before Jane enters, and there's no guarantee that they'll do Tier 1 prototyping before entry, especially given the lack of prototyping towers, (3) Nanna's ASHES were good enough to get a full body, so a clean skeleton (or cremated body, post-"human corpse party") could be enough, and skeletal Vriska might even appeal to Jake's love of skulls, and (4) is essentially a meaningless statement.
*** Furthermore, it has been stated in the past that Sprites are drawn towards the doomed and dead. If a doomed, god-tiered, non-alpha-timeline Vriska jumped into the new Alpha session, then wouldn't that make her a prime candidate for sprite prototyping? And wouldn't her love of abusing game mechanics past the breaking point make such a move appealing to her?
*** Indirectly Jossed by another method anyways; the Alpha Session seemingly doesn't even have sprites, lacking prototyping towers and the Black Ring is orbless.
*** Pre-entry prototypings, anyway.
*** '''Confirmed''' by the most recent update. Well, sort of. Instead of Vriskasprite we now have... Tavrisprite.
*** '''Jossed''' in principle however, it was the Alpha Vriska.
Jake's sprite, probably. She'll get to the Alpha Universe by following the light of the Green Sun, which probably could still be seen in her doomed timeline. It would be completely unexpected, and Vriska is the ParodySue character, so of course she'd have to become part-Sprite to catch up with Jade.
* Alternately, UU is the doomed timeline Vriska.
** Or someone (John?) will prototype a sprite with Vriska's dead body. Preferably ''after'' the new kids enter the game, unless he wants the enemies they face in the Medium to have all the levels. All of them.
*** Probably Jake, considering the bit of forshadowing with "You have a thing for sassy spider based girls that will probably never affect your life in any way, ever."...and he doesn't appear to have any dead relative remains with him...even if he did, it would be pretty awkward for there to be TWO Jades simultaneously...in fact, perhaps the alpha kids will ALL prototype something different...following up with other theories, if Jaspers does in fact become this timeline's first guardian, that would be suitable for mom, and make the endboss not incredibly easy to kill (considering Jade has all the powers of a god tier, a kernelsprite, AND a first guardian...), and bro might prototype his autoresponder...wait, perhaps the other thing Jake will prototype will be the fairybull he killed...(preentry, that one)...and perhaps Jane will finally get Dad prototyped?...(he was never ectobiologically created, but he appeared in both timelines, as a midpoint between Jane and John...he has to come in somewhere...)
*** '''Jossed''' as of what we know for several reasons. 1) Vriska from the doomed timeline is doomed, and even if she were to flee her session after defeating Jack, there's no indication she'd be able to find her way through the Furthest Ring to the Alpha Session, which is a difficult task even for Rose. 2) Vriska's body is on the Troll asteroid which is ''impossible'' for it to enter the session until at least Jane has entered, and there's many indications that John and Jade will reach the session prior to the others anyways. While a Tier 2 prototyping is possible though unlikely, a Tier 1 is impossible. 3) By that point, Vriska's body will have been decomposing for 3 years, so unless they cremate the Troll bodies, well that'd be kinda gross! 4) It has been suggested (via WV's need for the healings) that the Trolls may end up healed in some fashion anyways, or conversely, are all supposed to end up dead (via Mom Lalonde's book series). Looking at parallels, the most commonly suggested ideas for sprites are Poppop Crocker for Jane (Tier 1 unknown, but occasionally suggested to be PS-related shenanigans), the Auto Responder for Dirk (to parallel Davesprite), and either Grandma English or Jake himself for Jake.
*** Don't be so quick to call {{Jossed}} until all the prototypings are done, bro. (1) Time is meaningless in the Furthest Ring, (2) the Session clearly exists before Jane enters, and there's no guarantee that they'll do Tier 1 prototyping before entry, especially given the lack of prototyping towers, (3) Nanna's ASHES were good enough to get a full body, so a clean skeleton (or cremated body, post-"human corpse party") could be enough, and skeletal Vriska might even appeal to Jake's love of skulls, and (4) is essentially a meaningless statement.
*** Furthermore, it has been stated in the past that Sprites are drawn towards the doomed and dead. If a doomed, god-tiered, non-alpha-timeline Vriska jumped into the new Alpha session, then wouldn't that make her a prime candidate for sprite prototyping? And wouldn't her love of abusing game mechanics past the breaking point make such a move appealing to her?
*** Indirectly Jossed by another method anyways; the Alpha Session seemingly doesn't even have sprites, lacking prototyping towers and the Black Ring is orbless.
*** Pre-entry prototypings, anyway.
*** '''Confirmed''' by the most recent update. Well, sort of. Instead of Vriskasprite we now have... Tavrisprite.
*** '''Jossed''' in principle however, it was the Alpha Vriska.
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[[WMG: Gamzee is hording the troll-corpses somewhere connected to the "coffee machine" we see in Act 6, and that beverage ain't coffee; it's troll-juice]]
A pretty straight-forward theory. First, no one seems to know where the "coffee machine" came from. Second, no one seems to know how it works. Third, Dave's "[this] coffee sucks" comment; it doesn’t taste like coffee, but to him that’s what it looks like, so he labels it “bad coffee” and doesn’t think anything more about it. The reason it doesn’t taste like coffee, though, is because it isn’t. Fourth, we never see any of the trolls drinking or referring to drinking coffee; pretty weird when you consider Karkat does not sleep at all from the end of their session until the meet-up scene on the asteroid. Fifth, the "film" we see on the coffee is part of the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006602 hemospectrum]].
* Pretty jossed. Gamzee saved their blood and is using it as "potions". Besides that film actually exists in shitty coffee.
[[WMG: Equius, Nepeta, Eridan, and Feferi will become God Tier...]]
By Gamzee putting them on the Alpha Kids quest beds, considering they are also Void/Heart/Hope/Life.
* Doesn't work that way. Trolls don't sleep on beds after all, and those beds don't correspond to their dreamselves (who are deceased anyways).
A pretty straight-forward theory. First, no one seems to know where the "coffee machine" came from. Second, no one seems to know how it works. Third, Dave's "[this] coffee sucks" comment; it doesn’t taste like coffee, but to him that’s what it looks like, so he labels it “bad coffee” and doesn’t think anything more about it. The reason it doesn’t taste like coffee, though, is because it isn’t. Fourth, we never see any of the trolls drinking or referring to drinking coffee; pretty weird when you consider Karkat does not sleep at all from the end of their session until the meet-up scene on the asteroid. Fifth, the "film" we see on the coffee is part of the [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006602 hemospectrum]].
* Pretty jossed. Gamzee saved their blood and is using it as "potions". Besides that film actually exists in shitty coffee.
[[WMG: Equius, Nepeta, Eridan, and Feferi will become God Tier...]]
By Gamzee putting them on the Alpha Kids quest beds, considering they are also Void/Heart/Hope/Life.
* Doesn't work that way. Trolls don't sleep on beds after all, and those beds don't correspond to their dreamselves (who are deceased anyways).
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[[WMG: Gamzee will put an end to the Trickster madness]]
* This is actually plausible. Consider what we know;
1. Gamzee HATES the Tricksters for some unknown reason(maybe because he didn't intend for it to happen and he thinks it might screw up Caliborn advancing in the game).
2. He's also murderously insane.
3. And on top of that, he's been seen in both sessions and is a clown, which could offer immunity to the Trickster Touch.
So with those in mind... It's possible that - BRAINSTORM - Gamzee will kill the Alpha kids and leave their bodies. Then the Beta kids will arrive, see the Alpha kid corpses, and put them on their Quest Beds, causing them to go God Tier.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Gamzee has manipulated things so he will go Trickster]]
This will lead to him becoming a bigger bad than Lord English, as foreshadowed by Tavros
* This is actually plausible. Consider what we know;
1. Gamzee HATES the Tricksters for some unknown reason(maybe because he didn't intend for it to happen and he thinks it might screw up Caliborn advancing in the game).
2. He's also murderously insane.
3. And on top of that, he's been seen in both sessions and is a clown, which could offer immunity to the Trickster Touch.
So with those in mind... It's possible that - BRAINSTORM - Gamzee will kill the Alpha kids and leave their bodies. Then the Beta kids will arrive, see the Alpha kid corpses, and put them on their Quest Beds, causing them to go God Tier.
* Jossed.
[[WMG: Gamzee has manipulated things so he will go Trickster]]
This will lead to him becoming a bigger bad than Lord English, as foreshadowed by Tavros
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[[WMG: What Terezi meant by their [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004475 little moment ]]]]
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
Read Karkat's response as a complete sentence. The period at the end seems to indicate that it is indeed a complete (poorly worded) sentence.
* According to Karkat, it involved them taking "[[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004528 A ROMANTIC HOT AIR BALLOON RIDE SUSPENDED IN A GODDAMN FILIAL PAIL TOGETHER]]."
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[[WMG: It is not Vriska's fault that Bec prototyped himself.]]
The point is moot whether or not Vriska stopped John from prototyping one of the dolls. Bec would've still prototyped himself in order to save Jade and/or the planet Earth. Really, it's Sburb's fault for giving Jade a ridiculously hard entry item and for sending such a huge meteor Earth's way.
* At the same time, everyone will still blame her.
** Haha no it is her fault entirely. Alpha timeline shit aside, she caused it.
[[WMG: Vriska will try to steal Clover's luck]]
Since Clover's so lucky, this doesn't work. Well, unless Vriska is so lucky by that point, that it's guaranteed to work. Or they're both equally lucky, causing a paradox.
* They don't even know the other exists. And she's DEAD.
[[WMG: Vriska's gambling addiction has reached Omnicidal Level]]
It is clear that Vriska's gambling problem, mixed with own insecurity, will eventually lead to the destruction of all reality. The latest comics showing that she used her powers to mind control the Courtyard Droll of the Kid's session to indirectly influence the the Draconian Dignitary to create Becquerel in the first place is pretty damning evidence of her own slipping sanity. The trigger of this is inconsequential, but this further proof that that she is directly responsible for Bec Noir/Jacquerel in the first place and consequentially for the Scratch. The reason? Like [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus wanting to summon Lavos]], her only goal is to defeat Jacquerel, but unlike Magus, who did it for revenge, Vriska's only doing for petty glory and to boost her own long deteriorated self-esteem.
The point is moot whether or not Vriska stopped John from prototyping one of the dolls. Bec would've still prototyped himself in order to save Jade and/or the planet Earth. Really, it's Sburb's fault for giving Jade a ridiculously hard entry item and for sending such a huge meteor Earth's way.
* At the same time, everyone will still blame her.
** Haha no it is her fault entirely. Alpha timeline shit aside, she caused it.
[[WMG: Vriska will try to steal Clover's luck]]
Since Clover's so lucky, this doesn't work. Well, unless Vriska is so lucky by that point, that it's guaranteed to work. Or they're both equally lucky, causing a paradox.
* They don't even know the other exists. And she's DEAD.
[[WMG: Vriska's gambling addiction has reached Omnicidal Level]]
It is clear that Vriska's gambling problem, mixed with own insecurity, will eventually lead to the destruction of all reality. The latest comics showing that she used her powers to mind control the Courtyard Droll of the Kid's session to indirectly influence the the Draconian Dignitary to create Becquerel in the first place is pretty damning evidence of her own slipping sanity. The trigger of this is inconsequential, but this further proof that that she is directly responsible for Bec Noir/Jacquerel in the first place and consequentially for the Scratch. The reason? Like [[VideoGame/ChronoTrigger Magus wanting to summon Lavos]], her only goal is to defeat Jacquerel, but unlike Magus, who did it for revenge, Vriska's only doing for petty glory and to boost her own long deteriorated self-esteem.
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[[WMG: Feferi doesn't interact much with Nepeta because she is afraid of cats]]
She is, after all, practically a fish.
She is, after all, practically a fish.
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[[WMG: Gamzee's cuts at zero hour weren't made by cat claws...]]
This trooper thinks the cuts might have been made by a sickle. Meaning there must have been a fight between him and Karkat, and considering Gamzee's state of mind right now, I doubt he would let Karkat live if he won.
* No they were directly caused on panel by Nepeta's claws.
[[WMG: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 That]] wasn't Future Terezi, but Future Gamzee]]
Presuming he just pilfered Terezi's glasses [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005327 here.]]
This trooper thinks the cuts might have been made by a sickle. Meaning there must have been a fight between him and Karkat, and considering Gamzee's state of mind right now, I doubt he would let Karkat live if he won.
* No they were directly caused on panel by Nepeta's claws.
[[WMG: [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 That]] wasn't Future Terezi, but Future Gamzee]]
Presuming he just pilfered Terezi's glasses [[http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005327 here.]]
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[[WMG: Trolls & Ancestors]]
Warning! This one is long. Let's start with the basics first.
1. Trolls procreate by mixing genetic material together and having a surrogate Mother Grub give birth to the children.
2. There are two classes of procreation pairings. Caliginous and Flushed. Trolls must submit material for both.
3. The feelings that cause these pairing provide stronger genetic matches and have a better chance of producing an offspring.
These are the simple biological facts we learned. Now one last fact: A troll has one ancestor they are MOST like as they share the MOST amount of DNA.
But one thing these facts tell us though, is that troll genetic material (like ours) is one half of the whole. There needs to be (at least) two parents (in genetic terms). Now the problem: The Ancestors and the Trolls we know were created through ectobiology. Like the kids and guardians, I think that Karkat used the paradox slime of the Ancestors to first create their respective paradox clones. That's the easy part. Now the paradox slime is combined in a tank. Similar to kids, but with one exception. There is only one tank, not one for each pairing. Because this is how Troll biology works. The slurry thing.
Now assume this is true (even though I'm not 100% sure that it is up til this point). In the slurry, the genetic pairs form into twelve pairs (6 Flushed and 6 Caliginous). So each Ancestor has their biological material mixed up in two young Trolls (one from a flushed pairing and one from a caliginous pairing). I would also guess it would form a sort of giant daisy chain rather that several smaller daisy chains, just because it fits well.
I think this also explains some of the slight differences between the Trolls and their Ancestors.
Example 1: Vriska isn't quite up to the level of villainy as Mindfang; she seems a little bit too dramatic and a few of her plans prior to entering SGRUB are sort of a joke. Now what if Vriska was caused by the genetic material of Mindfang and Dualscar's Caliginous relationship. While the bulk of Vriska comes from Mindfang, but maybe her BigHam side comes from Dualscar.
Example 2: Feferi's Ancestor is the Condesce. Feferi's a lot more accepting and wants to abolish the caste system to a certain extent. She almost wants to bring things to the way they were prior to the scratch. This may be because of the major Black Feelings toward the highbloods that the Suffer had on his death mixed his gentic material with the Condesce's genetic material.
Before your say that Karkat is the Suffer's descendant, remember I pointed out that each Ancestor has two descendants (one Flushed and one Caliginous). So yeah that still works. And this also doesn't sink any ships due to genetic relationships, it isn't called an incestuous slurry for nothing, folks. The troll takes on primary traits (blood color, appearance, basic personalities) from one parent and secondary traits from the other.
* Irrelevant anyways; the Ancestors are the genetic children of the Trolls and their Ectobiology lab prominently showed 2 tubes which means this six timing stuff can't possibly be true.
** It still could be, but instead of a do-decagon like I was imagining it would be two hexagons. Still works in the case of two tubes for combination.
** And I don't remember seeing a panel that outright states in which order the Ancestors and Trolls were actually made. A key point about the Ancestors' scratch dealt with the fact: they weren't playing the session they were created in and thus always destined to scratch the game (Doc Scratch mentions this being the Glitch that marks Lord English's target, his calling card). So maybe the Ancestors were always meant to be the Ancestors and therefore the ones that appearified for the paradox slime. Though really this is speculation based on the facts, my wild guess was the fact that 6 of the trolls were born from redrom feelings and the other 6 from blackrom whether this refers to the Ancestors or Trolls doesn't really matter it just would have made my guess a paragraph longer to explain that possible wrinkle.
Warning! This one is long. Let's start with the basics first.
1. Trolls procreate by mixing genetic material together and having a surrogate Mother Grub give birth to the children.
2. There are two classes of procreation pairings. Caliginous and Flushed. Trolls must submit material for both.
3. The feelings that cause these pairing provide stronger genetic matches and have a better chance of producing an offspring.
These are the simple biological facts we learned. Now one last fact: A troll has one ancestor they are MOST like as they share the MOST amount of DNA.
But one thing these facts tell us though, is that troll genetic material (like ours) is one half of the whole. There needs to be (at least) two parents (in genetic terms). Now the problem: The Ancestors and the Trolls we know were created through ectobiology. Like the kids and guardians, I think that Karkat used the paradox slime of the Ancestors to first create their respective paradox clones. That's the easy part. Now the paradox slime is combined in a tank. Similar to kids, but with one exception. There is only one tank, not one for each pairing. Because this is how Troll biology works. The slurry thing.
Now assume this is true (even though I'm not 100% sure that it is up til this point). In the slurry, the genetic pairs form into twelve pairs (6 Flushed and 6 Caliginous). So each Ancestor has their biological material mixed up in two young Trolls (one from a flushed pairing and one from a caliginous pairing). I would also guess it would form a sort of giant daisy chain rather that several smaller daisy chains, just because it fits well.
I think this also explains some of the slight differences between the Trolls and their Ancestors.
Example 1: Vriska isn't quite up to the level of villainy as Mindfang; she seems a little bit too dramatic and a few of her plans prior to entering SGRUB are sort of a joke. Now what if Vriska was caused by the genetic material of Mindfang and Dualscar's Caliginous relationship. While the bulk of Vriska comes from Mindfang, but maybe her BigHam side comes from Dualscar.
Example 2: Feferi's Ancestor is the Condesce. Feferi's a lot more accepting and wants to abolish the caste system to a certain extent. She almost wants to bring things to the way they were prior to the scratch. This may be because of the major Black Feelings toward the highbloods that the Suffer had on his death mixed his gentic material with the Condesce's genetic material.
Before your say that Karkat is the Suffer's descendant, remember I pointed out that each Ancestor has two descendants (one Flushed and one Caliginous). So yeah that still works. And this also doesn't sink any ships due to genetic relationships, it isn't called an incestuous slurry for nothing, folks. The troll takes on primary traits (blood color, appearance, basic personalities) from one parent and secondary traits from the other.
* Irrelevant anyways; the Ancestors are the genetic children of the Trolls and their Ectobiology lab prominently showed 2 tubes which means this six timing stuff can't possibly be true.
** It still could be, but instead of a do-decagon like I was imagining it would be two hexagons. Still works in the case of two tubes for combination.
** And I don't remember seeing a panel that outright states in which order the Ancestors and Trolls were actually made. A key point about the Ancestors' scratch dealt with the fact: they weren't playing the session they were created in and thus always destined to scratch the game (Doc Scratch mentions this being the Glitch that marks Lord English's target, his calling card). So maybe the Ancestors were always meant to be the Ancestors and therefore the ones that appearified for the paradox slime. Though really this is speculation based on the facts, my wild guess was the fact that 6 of the trolls were born from redrom feelings and the other 6 from blackrom whether this refers to the Ancestors or Trolls doesn't really matter it just would have made my guess a paragraph longer to explain that possible wrinkle.
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[[WMG: The influence of Bec Noir on the Trolls is driving them all slowly insane.]]
Think about it- Eridan was always the IneffectualSympatheticVillain, until he arrived in the lab, and his emotional failings became too much to bear in Bec's thrall, creating pure rage that made him kill Feferi, Kanaya and the Matriorb. Gamzee was angry for the first time when he went into the lab, and then we get him telling us through pesterlog that TC: I AM GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING KILL ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS. Are they all insane?
** This is probably likely to be jossed. They also lack sopor slime, which except for a couple of the trolls, was something they always slept in. Gamzee's FaceHeelTurn is directly related to this, as he brings up the dealings of his ancient ancestors, which the slime is meant to suppress.
*** Not to mention all of the high bloods are prone to mental instability; Feferi and Equius mention how lucky they are to have avoided that.
Think about it- Eridan was always the IneffectualSympatheticVillain, until he arrived in the lab, and his emotional failings became too much to bear in Bec's thrall, creating pure rage that made him kill Feferi, Kanaya and the Matriorb. Gamzee was angry for the first time when he went into the lab, and then we get him telling us through pesterlog that TC: I AM GOING TO MOTHERFUCKING KILL ALL YOU MOTHERFUCKERS. Are they all insane?
** This is probably likely to be jossed. They also lack sopor slime, which except for a couple of the trolls, was something they always slept in. Gamzee's FaceHeelTurn is directly related to this, as he brings up the dealings of his ancient ancestors, which the slime is meant to suppress.
*** Not to mention all of the high bloods are prone to mental instability; Feferi and Equius mention how lucky they are to have avoided that.
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[[WMG: The Sufferer was actually a High blood]]
* His blood could be higher than royalty or lower than rust but since he didn't seem to have any mutant poweres he was more likely a highblood.
** The higher caste on the hemospectrum you go the lower the birth rate. At the time the Sufferer was the only candyblood to have ever existed.
*** The Hemospectrum is arrayed like the normal visible spectrum; that is the higher the wavelength the higher the energy (power) and therefore the higher the status. Red would be either the lowest presented or (and this would actually make sense, considering the Rustblood's role) just above Aradia.
*** Feferi's color appears closest to Pink/Magenta which is not technically present in the the visible spectrum (in terms of wavelengths). [[http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/colour_spectrum_magenta_complimentary_bizarre Here]] is an article explaining the weirdness. So either Hussie doesn't know this and I'm barking up the wrong tree or the colors are not based on the visible spectrum entirely, but simply ordered that way for convenience.
*** Alternatively, Ultraviolet light runs through colors just like visible light and Red would be the lowest on the UV tier, but the UV tier would still be above Visible Spectrum tier.
** Jossed, Hussie has said the blood color of Karkat and the Sufferer is not on the acknowledged hemospectrum at all.
* His blood could be higher than royalty or lower than rust but since he didn't seem to have any mutant poweres he was more likely a highblood.
** The higher caste on the hemospectrum you go the lower the birth rate. At the time the Sufferer was the only candyblood to have ever existed.
*** The Hemospectrum is arrayed like the normal visible spectrum; that is the higher the wavelength the higher the energy (power) and therefore the higher the status. Red would be either the lowest presented or (and this would actually make sense, considering the Rustblood's role) just above Aradia.
*** Feferi's color appears closest to Pink/Magenta which is not technically present in the the visible spectrum (in terms of wavelengths). [[http://www.null-hypothesis.co.uk/science/strange-but-true/colour_spectrum_magenta_complimentary_bizarre Here]] is an article explaining the weirdness. So either Hussie doesn't know this and I'm barking up the wrong tree or the colors are not based on the visible spectrum entirely, but simply ordered that way for convenience.
*** Alternatively, Ultraviolet light runs through colors just like visible light and Red would be the lowest on the UV tier, but the UV tier would still be above Visible Spectrum tier.
** Jossed, Hussie has said the blood color of Karkat and the Sufferer is not on the acknowledged hemospectrum at all.
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[[WMG: Karkat Pantas (i.e., Pantskat) was intentional.]]
I do believe this to be the case, and not a joke theory. However, I'm not sure where best to put this if not this page, as there doesn't seem to be a single "meta guesses" page, unless this is it.\\
In [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005854 the Spritelog/Chatlog between Nannasprite and fedorafreak]], fedorafreak mentions alchemizing a "useless, excessively tall pant". Later, during Doc Scratch's monologuing sermon about the Ancestors, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005959 the Sufferer's leggings are mentioned as a holy artifact]] (they are both grey, like Pantskat's trouser-esque attire, and seemingly long). [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005748 The Pants-kat imagery]] appears ''immediately'' after the Doc Scratch interlude. Coincidence? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe]].
* Not a coincidence if those references only existed ''after'' Pantskat became a fandom meme!!
I do believe this to be the case, and not a joke theory. However, I'm not sure where best to put this if not this page, as there doesn't seem to be a single "meta guesses" page, unless this is it.\\
In [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005854 the Spritelog/Chatlog between Nannasprite and fedorafreak]], fedorafreak mentions alchemizing a "useless, excessively tall pant". Later, during Doc Scratch's monologuing sermon about the Ancestors, [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005959 the Sufferer's leggings are mentioned as a holy artifact]] (they are both grey, like Pantskat's trouser-esque attire, and seemingly long). [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005748 The Pants-kat imagery]] appears ''immediately'' after the Doc Scratch interlude. Coincidence? [[EpilepticTrees Maybe]].
* Not a coincidence if those references only existed ''after'' Pantskat became a fandom meme!!
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[[WMG: Nepeta's dream will have a consequence in reality]]
Aradia ''is'' going to see Equius soon.
However, Aradia presumably still has the power to hear spirits, so she might just see Equius's ghost. Then again, Valentine's Day is coming up, and Andrew is suspiciously not referring to Aradia in his Formspring when he talks about Equius being a one-note gag character, so who knows?
* Aradia is hanging around dreambubbles. She hasn't been seen with Equius yet.
Aradia ''is'' going to see Equius soon.
However, Aradia presumably still has the power to hear spirits, so she might just see Equius's ghost. Then again, Valentine's Day is coming up, and Andrew is suspiciously not referring to Aradia in his Formspring when he talks about Equius being a one-note gag character, so who knows?
* Aradia is hanging around dreambubbles. She hasn't been seen with Equius yet.
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[[WMG: Vriska and Snowman are somehow connected (or the same person)]]
Both have an 8 motif, and both are described by those who know them as BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH
** Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
*** Similarities yes, but they already existed.
[[WMG: Vriska is an UnreliableExpositor]]
At least about SGRUB, at any rate. We're going to get a later revelation that if the troll's ''did'' follow their instincts and kill one another they would have quickly became a null session. Or that if they did follow their instincts they would actually learn to overcome them. Especially since most of the troll's current problems come from things they DIDN'T deal with in their session.
* Vriska's idea was incorrect, and that was simply part of her own struggle to find her identity.
Both have an 8 motif, and both are described by those who know them as BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH
** Vriska's Exile is the Black Queen, who becomes Snowman. So...confirmed?
*** Similarities yes, but they already existed.
[[WMG: Vriska is an UnreliableExpositor]]
At least about SGRUB, at any rate. We're going to get a later revelation that if the troll's ''did'' follow their instincts and kill one another they would have quickly became a null session. Or that if they did follow their instincts they would actually learn to overcome them. Especially since most of the troll's current problems come from things they DIDN'T deal with in their session.
* Vriska's idea was incorrect, and that was simply part of her own struggle to find her identity.
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[[WMG: The Angel's from Eridan's planets served no actual purpose.]]
They were more like [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda cuccos]].
* They tied into his MythArc but he perverted it.
* They may have been his consorts.
** Consorts have always been reptiles and much more different from the way the angels are presented. They seem to be like the fireflies in the Land of Wind and Shade, or the brains in the Land of Brains and Fire.
They were more like [[Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda cuccos]].
* They tied into his MythArc but he perverted it.
* They may have been his consorts.
** Consorts have always been reptiles and much more different from the way the angels are presented. They seem to be like the fireflies in the Land of Wind and Shade, or the brains in the Land of Brains and Fire.
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[[WMG: The Trolls' species evolved from the Exiles from a previous game of Sburb played by kids from a past civilization on their world.]]
It's been millennia since the game so, though there might be the occasional pure black or white throwback, interbreeding has lead to most people on the planet being grey. Either one or more of the past players prototyped them with something that gave them their horns, or it could have been a quirk of evolution during the ''very'' long time that passed since then. With their intimate knowledge of the game they knew that one day it might devastate their planet once more, so they purposely developed their culture to give their people as much of an advantage as possible when that day came, although they've all long-since forgotten the point of it by now.
That's why, as mentioned in the WMG a few above, they're taught to "become architecturally adept while very young". It might also be why they don't have real family units (the less close attachments they have to other people the easier it will be for them to focus on the game instead of getting worked up about everybody back home who died; the lusus-system might have been put in place specifically so there would be a strong creature devoted to their well-being there for prototyping) and why most members of their species head off-world once they reach adulthood (so when the meteors start crashing most trolls will avoid destruction through the simple act of not even being there; of course this being purposeful depends on whether they were able to achieve space travel before forgetting what they were preparing themselves for, but if some of the Exiles worked for their game session's shuttle service before getting exiled they could have had the knowledge of how to build/fly them from the start).
* Doesn't explain the blood.
* Doc Scratch probably has more to do with most of that.
It's been millennia since the game so, though there might be the occasional pure black or white throwback, interbreeding has lead to most people on the planet being grey. Either one or more of the past players prototyped them with something that gave them their horns, or it could have been a quirk of evolution during the ''very'' long time that passed since then. With their intimate knowledge of the game they knew that one day it might devastate their planet once more, so they purposely developed their culture to give their people as much of an advantage as possible when that day came, although they've all long-since forgotten the point of it by now.
That's why, as mentioned in the WMG a few above, they're taught to "become architecturally adept while very young". It might also be why they don't have real family units (the less close attachments they have to other people the easier it will be for them to focus on the game instead of getting worked up about everybody back home who died; the lusus-system might have been put in place specifically so there would be a strong creature devoted to their well-being there for prototyping) and why most members of their species head off-world once they reach adulthood (so when the meteors start crashing most trolls will avoid destruction through the simple act of not even being there; of course this being purposeful depends on whether they were able to achieve space travel before forgetting what they were preparing themselves for, but if some of the Exiles worked for their game session's shuttle service before getting exiled they could have had the knowledge of how to build/fly them from the start).
* Doesn't explain the blood.
* Doc Scratch probably has more to do with most of that.
[[WMG: The Sburb sessions really aren't as independent as the Trolls have claimed.]]
Obviously, since Jack has managed to screw them over somehow. But there's also the Uber-bunny, that could ''only'' be created in a Sburb session... and Jade got a hold of it, apparently, some time ago. How did her penpal manage to make it, ''and'' transport it to her if every session was walled off from every other?
* If her pen pal isn't a troll.
** He isn't. But they are. The Troll and human sessions are seriously messed up.
[[WMG: Sburb isn't meant to be competitive, and the trolls put themselves in this mess.]]
tA mentioned modifying the code of the game, and this is the first mention we've had of two competing teams. tA made it so that the two sessions could interact, and in doing so exposed all the players to whatever space exists between sessions. This is the only reason that the kids' game, regardless of how screwed up it gets, was able to influence the trolls'.
* The reason the Human's game influenced the Troll's is because they were tied together by the Trolls meddling with the Kid's timeline. Sollux didn't do anything of the sort.
Obviously, since Jack has managed to screw them over somehow. But there's also the Uber-bunny, that could ''only'' be created in a Sburb session... and Jade got a hold of it, apparently, some time ago. How did her penpal manage to make it, ''and'' transport it to her if every session was walled off from every other?
* If her pen pal isn't a troll.
** He isn't. But they are. The Troll and human sessions are seriously messed up.
[[WMG: Sburb isn't meant to be competitive, and the trolls put themselves in this mess.]]
tA mentioned modifying the code of the game, and this is the first mention we've had of two competing teams. tA made it so that the two sessions could interact, and in doing so exposed all the players to whatever space exists between sessions. This is the only reason that the kids' game, regardless of how screwed up it gets, was able to influence the trolls'.
* The reason the Human's game influenced the Troll's is because they were tied together by the Trolls meddling with the Kid's timeline. Sollux didn't do anything of the sort.
[[WMG: During the {{LARP}} session, [[ExplosiveInstrumentation [=AG's=] eyepiece will explode.]]]]
It will turn [[EyeScream her left eye]] and left arm into a blue bloody mess, and lead her to look like her [[EyePatchOfPower appearance in]] [[ArtificialLimbs the present.]] [[LaserGuidedKarma It will also be extremely cathartic to the readers.]]
It will turn [[EyeScream her left eye]] and left arm into a blue bloody mess, and lead her to look like her [[EyePatchOfPower appearance in]] [[ArtificialLimbs the present.]] [[LaserGuidedKarma It will also be extremely cathartic to the readers.]]
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[[WMG:The Countdown Without a Clock to Claim It is counting down to the death of the last troll]]
Gamzee will be the last, quietly dying of his injuries as he watches the miracle of a new beginning to take his mind of his group's end - the fact the he chose the beginning of Jadesprite to watch implies that Jadesprite is very important.
* Possibly Jossed: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 This log]] has Karat and Terezi post from what we later learn to be one hour after the CRITICAL MOMENTS ends. [[http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/2258082361 Confirmed by Hussie]], barring his threatened retcon or a major revelation like one of the character's being impersonated.
* Completely Jossed.
[[WMG:The Countdown Without a Clock to Claim It is counting down to the death of the last troll]]
Gamzee will be the last, quietly dying of his injuries as he watches the miracle of a new beginning to take his mind of his group's end - the fact the he chose the beginning of Jadesprite to watch implies that Jadesprite is very important.
* Possibly Jossed: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=004529 This log]] has Karat and Terezi post from what we later learn to be one hour after the CRITICAL MOMENTS ends. [[http://www.formspring.me/mspadventures/q/2258082361 Confirmed by Hussie]], barring his threatened retcon or a major revelation like one of the character's being impersonated.
* Completely Jossed.
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[[WMG: The Summoner was the only Pre-Scratch Troll to reach God Tier.]]
It explains the wings, obviously, which nobody else has.
* Jossed, at least Arenea did.
* Maybe he was the only one not to do so?
** No, Porrim said that she didn't either.
It explains the wings, obviously, which nobody else has.
* Jossed, at least Arenea did.
* Maybe he was the only one not to do so?
** No, Porrim said that she didn't either.
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But now... His allies are the last trolls in the universe, and they insist on killing each other off. His people are threatened by an OutsideContextVillain that looks just like one of his closest friends. The biggest threat to his well-being is a ''fucking Juggalo''. For the first time in his life, Karkat's simmering blood will finally come to a boil. He's going to get angry, and whatever gets in his way will die horribly.
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But now... His allies are the last trolls in the universe, and they insist on killing each other off. His people are threatened by an OutsideContextVillain OutsideContextProblem that looks just like one of his closest friends. The biggest threat to his well-being is a ''fucking Juggalo''. For the first time in his life, Karkat's simmering blood will finally come to a boil. He's going to get angry, and whatever gets in his way will die horribly.
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[[WMG: By the time Karkat feels ready to tell all the others about his blood color they'll already know about it.]]
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
Gamzee was right there when he was crying, and their tears are the color of their blood. He's too chill to care himself, but he could let it slip to one or twp of the others without thinking about it and then gossip would take over.
* They all eventually go through the Land of Pulse and Blood anyway, so... yeah. But maybe they don't make the association?
* Pulse and Haze. And again, his blood color is a bit of an OpenSecret.
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[[WMG: At some point Aradia's going to run into the Hegemonic Brute from the trolls' session.]]
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
And then she'll accidentally (or not-so-accidentally) drag him with her through time to a point where something nasty will happen to him. Which will mean that before ever even running into Eggs and Biscuits "YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL YOU HATE TIME TRAVEL..." already.
** This is quite possible due to Hussie's love of using [[ContinuityNod continuity nods]].
** Probably not.
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[[WMG: Vriska will be TheAtoner by the time she enters the medium]]
Or at least she'll not particularly want to live. The way her luck is she's not getting dice rolls she wants, and she's known to survive to the end.
* Jossed. If anything, she's worse than before.
* She tries to become TheAtoner later.
Or at least she'll not particularly want to live. The way her luck is she's not getting dice rolls she wants, and she's known to survive to the end.
* Jossed. If anything, she's worse than before.
* She tries to become TheAtoner later.
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[[WMG: CT and his lusus are a tag-team robot-fighting team]]
When CT breaks the robots he builds, he powers them on first and takes them out in a fair fight. Hence his lusus's and his own injuries.
* Jossed.
When CT breaks the robots he builds, he powers them on first and takes them out in a fair fight. Hence his lusus's and his own injuries.
* Jossed.
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Everyone thinks that the adult trolls are being obscured in shadow, but look at her Imperial Condescension and the Helmsman [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005964 here.]] That face is way too detailed to be in shadow, and if the Helmsman's face was in shadow, you wouldn't see the blood so clearly on his face.
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Everyone thinks that the adult trolls are being obscured in shadow, but look at her Imperial Imperious Condescension and the Helmsman [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005964 here.]] That face is way too detailed to be in shadow, and if the Helmsman's face was in shadow, you wouldn't see the blood so clearly on his face.
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[[WMG: The Condesce (Feferi's ancestor) was [[GenerationXerox as nice as Feferi.]]]]
* She was unable to reform the trolls' EvilEmpire because she was a [[PuppetKing puppet empress]] isolated from reality by her [[EvilChancellor advisors]].
** Where did this name come from? I thought she was just The Empress. Also she's the one who casually planned to murder Feferi and propelled troll society to become a murderous galactic empire in the span of roughly a century so....
*** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005658 Original source of name]]
** [=JOSSED=]. Though it is possible that pre!scratch Feferi Ancestor was nice.
*** She seems to have shown up too and wow is she creepy.
[[WMG: J is also the grandson of Vriska]]
They have identical handwriting, aside from Vriska's Ms as scorpio signs. What that means for John/Vriska, well we'll just have to see.
* John x Vriska= Subject A, Jade x Unknown Participant= Subject B, Subject A x Subject B = J
Although take note that this would mean a crossbreeding of cousins, Hussie has played incest for laughs however it is unknown if he would actually write it into the story.
[[WMG: Doc Scratch was the source of Mindfang's diary]]
Two words: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 "troll fanfiction"]]. Although Scratch has said in the past that he never lies except by omission, we only have his word for that, and Hussie just implied that he was making up at ''least'' the story he was telling about the Sufferer and Condence. Our only other source for the ancestors is the diary, and we've already established Scratch's penchant for manipulating Vriska...could the whole deal with the ancestors be Scratch's way of shaping at least Vriska, if not all twelve trolls to varying extents, to suit his own ends?
* Partially {{jossed}}. Some WordOfGod confirms that Mindfang's diary is factually true, if embellished and trashy.
* She was unable to reform the trolls' EvilEmpire because she was a [[PuppetKing puppet empress]] isolated from reality by her [[EvilChancellor advisors]].
** Where did this name come from? I thought she was just The Empress. Also she's the one who casually planned to murder Feferi and propelled troll society to become a murderous galactic empire in the span of roughly a century so....
*** [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=005658 Original source of name]]
** [=JOSSED=]. Though it is possible that pre!scratch Feferi Ancestor was nice.
*** She seems to have shown up too and wow is she creepy.
[[WMG: J is also the grandson of Vriska]]
They have identical handwriting, aside from Vriska's Ms as scorpio signs. What that means for John/Vriska, well we'll just have to see.
* John x Vriska= Subject A, Jade x Unknown Participant= Subject B, Subject A x Subject B = J
Although take note that this would mean a crossbreeding of cousins, Hussie has played incest for laughs however it is unknown if he would actually write it into the story.
[[WMG: Doc Scratch was the source of Mindfang's diary]]
Two words: [[http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scratch.php?s=6&p=005963 "troll fanfiction"]]. Although Scratch has said in the past that he never lies except by omission, we only have his word for that, and Hussie just implied that he was making up at ''least'' the story he was telling about the Sufferer and Condence. Our only other source for the ancestors is the diary, and we've already established Scratch's penchant for manipulating Vriska...could the whole deal with the ancestors be Scratch's way of shaping at least Vriska, if not all twelve trolls to varying extents, to suit his own ends?
* Partially {{jossed}}. Some WordOfGod confirms that Mindfang's diary is factually true, if embellished and trashy.
