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* ''The Rising Tide'' ultimately shows that Drake's Horn is unrelated only tangentially related to Leviathan's absence, as it reveals that the Motes of Water were indeed originally from Mysidia in southern Ash but ended up migrating to northern Storm which is on the after its collapse. But other side of than that, the world from southern Ash.
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* Outright defied in ''The Rising Tide''. [[spoiler: Ultima himself says Leviathan is a profaned fragment, and Joshua further speculates in the DLC's ending that Leviathan was never necessary for his plan.]].
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* Confirmed with ''The Rising Tide'' DLC.
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* [[spoiler:Leviathan was 'lost'. What this means is vague but indicates he hasn't been seen for 'lost.' ''The Rising Tide'' reveals that the Dominant of Leviathan was a long time.baby boy who was frozen in time to prevent the Eikon's powers from annihilating all of Mysidia.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed, Leviathan doesn't make a physical appearance in the base story whatsoever, only being mentioned as 'lost'.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed, Leviathan doesn't make a physical appearance in the base story whatsoever, only being mentioned as 'lost'.'lost,' and its status is eventually cleared up in ''The Rising Tide'' DLC which does not affect the game's ending.]]
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Much like ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII'', Darkness is [[DarkIsNotEvil just as important to the world's wellbeing as Light]]. However, the in-universe belief that DarkIsEvil has led to the Dark Eikons and their dominants erased from official records with the exception of their leader, Odin, who only remains known because Darkness is its own element. The officially known Eikons, Phoenix, Shiva, Ramuh, Garuda, and Titan answer to Bahamut, while the five corresponding forgotten Eikons answer to Odin. In addition to Ifrit, candidates for the Dark Eikons include Fenrir for Ice, Quetzalcoatl or Ixion for Lightning, Midgarsormr or Hecatoncheir for Earth, and Pandemona for wind. At the time of this writing, it is unknown if Water exists as its own element or if it has been [[IceMagicIsWater lumped in with Ice]]. If Water is its own element, then Leviathan and Bismark will be its Eikons; there is no telling which one will be Light and which one will be Dark. If Water and Ice are one element, then Leviathan will be Shiva's dark counterpart.
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Much like ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyIII'', Darkness is [[DarkIsNotEvil just as important to the world's wellbeing as Light]]. However, the in-universe belief that DarkIsEvil has led to the Dark Eikons and their dominants erased from official records with the exception of their leader, Odin, who only remains known because Darkness is its own element. The officially known Eikons, Phoenix, Shiva, Ramuh, Garuda, and Titan answer to Bahamut, while the five corresponding forgotten Eikons answer to Odin. In addition to Ifrit, candidates for the Dark Eikons include Fenrir for Ice, Quetzalcoatl or Ixion for Lightning, Midgarsormr or Hecatoncheir for Earth, and Pandemona for wind. At the time of this writing, it is unknown if Water exists as its own element or if it has been [[IceMagicIsWater lumped in with Ice]]. If Water is its own element, then Leviathan and Bismark Bismarck will be its Eikons; there is no telling which one will be Light and which one will be Dark. If Water and Ice are one element, then Leviathan will be Shiva's dark counterpart.
** Confirmed with ''The Rising Tide'' DLC.
** Only the latter was confirmed with the ''Echoes of the Fallen'' DLC.
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* Debunked by ''The Rising Tide'' which tells us early on that Leviathan's Dominant is an infant boy named Waljas from the land of Mysidia.
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Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".Lost."
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* ''The Rising Tide'' ultimately shows that Drake's Horn is unrelated to Leviathan's absence, as it reveals that the Motes of Water were originally from Mysidia in northern Storm which is on the other side of the world from southern Ash.
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*** ''The Rising Tide'' covers the story of Leviathan but sets its events shortly before the end of the game after the Akashic have begun overrunning the land but before the final battle in Origin.
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* Jossed. [=FF16=] was announced only for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation5.
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* Jossed. [=FF16=] was announced only for the UsefulNotes/PlayStation5.
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**...Which could lead to an alternate happier ending (not confirmed as canon, as most multiple-ending-games are), thanks to a fully-powered Clive.
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* The Ultimania throws a snag in this: [[spoiler:Dzemekys wasn't completely destroyed. Ultima made a show of leaving a crater where the mountain used to be, but the heart of its Mothercrystal is preserved within Origin, so Odin is ''not'' an exception.]] However, it could still have contributed to Odin's manifestation being paused for so long, since the destruction of Dzemekys led to most of the Motes of Darkness leaving Valisthea.
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* Jossed by the Ultimania: [[spoiler:Barnabas awoke as a Dominant after witnessing his mother's death, decades before meeting Ultima. Additionally, the Dzemekys Mothercrystal still exists within Origin.]]
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* The Ultimania confirms that Drake's Horn was in fact the water-aspected Mothercrystal, which fell to Blight over 500 years before the story began.
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[[WMG: Ifrit Risen was the original form of the Eikon of Fire, but was split at some point in history]]
The ease with which they can combine late in the game despite their respective Dominants never having fought together like that before, and them being the only case of two Eikons with the same aspect when all legends and mythology in Valisthea suggest ''one'' Eikon for each element, suggest this to be the case. This could add an extra element to the tragedy at Phoenix Gate. Ifrit awakening within Clive was possibly not only born of Clive's desire to help Joshua but Ifrit's own desire to be reunited with its other half. Of course, this goes horribly wrong because ''of course it does'', it's two kids experiencing a TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening and the 'superpowers' in question are literal giant fire monsters with their own separate wills. But perhaps Ifrit ending up fighting Phoenix was the berserk Eikon trying to combine the two again and not knowing how. Ifrit behaves at points like he's trying to ''eat'' Phoenix - which probably makes sense to a mind in a primal state for how to absorb another creature's energy into yourself.
The ease with which they can combine late in the game despite their respective Dominants never having fought together like that before, and them being the only case of two Eikons with the same aspect when all legends and mythology in Valisthea suggest ''one'' Eikon for each element, suggest this to be the case. This could add an extra element to the tragedy at Phoenix Gate. Ifrit awakening within Clive was possibly not only born of Clive's desire to help Joshua but Ifrit's own desire to be reunited with its other half. Of course, this goes horribly wrong because ''of course it does'', it's two kids experiencing a TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening and the 'superpowers' in question are literal giant fire monsters with their own separate wills. But perhaps Ifrit ending up fighting Phoenix was the berserk Eikon trying to combine the two again and not knowing how. Ifrit behaves at points like he's trying to ''eat'' Phoenix - which probably makes sense to a mind in a primal state for how to absorb another creature's energy into yourself.
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[[folder:DLC Theories (more unmarked spoilers)]]
With the reveal that ''Final Fantasy XVI'' is set to receive not one, but ''two'' full DLC expansions that will explore further tales from Valisthea, this folder is ''ripe'' for all manner of speculation and guessing, from the totally baseless to the...[[BuffySpeak not-baseless]].
[[WMG:"Episode Cid"]]
One of the first things Yoshi-P revealed before even officially announcing the DLC episodes is that the developers are looking into specifically what the players ''want'' to see. Considering the fact that demands for more Cid were apparent on the day of the game's release...needless to say, we're ''probably'' getting a playable Cid campaign that will further explore his character, backstory, motivations, etc. From his past relationship with Benedikta (and more), to the rift that formed between him and Barnabas.
* We also might be seeing Cid and Mid on-screen together for the first time, seeing as Cid dies before she makes her proper debut in the game, potentially exploring how he adopted her. While the planet ''could possibly'' crumble from the sheer pressure of their [[WorldOfSnark combined snark]], this troper would be a-okay with it.
* While Cid wears a pair of swords, he never actually dual wields them, perhaps on account of the crystal's curse hampering one of his hands. If this expansion follows a younger Cid, we may see this after all. A dual-wielding, lightning fast combat style could be a nice contrast to Clive's more harder-hitting technique.
[[WMG:"Leviathan the Lost"]]
The revelation of "Leviathan the Lost" might as well be screaming "[[SequelHook SEQUEL HOOK!!!]]" at you. The game explores two timeskips, with two protagonists each doing their own thing. Whether we may be playing as Clive again, or finally take control of an adult Joshua, this story is ripe for exploration either way.
* If Joshua (or someone else) is the playable character for this one, clearing the expansion will unlock Leviathan as a usable Eikon style for Clive in the main game.
[[WMG:"The Ballad of Barnabas"]]
No character in the story is more mysterious than King Barnabas. From his insane power, to devotion to Ultima, to utterly enigmatic origins, to....even his...[[ParentalIncest weird mommy issues]], Barnabas is terrifying, yet equally captivating enough that he warrants his own tale. ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'''s "Episode Ardyn" proved that a fleshed-out-enough villain can make for a magnetic protagonist when done right.
[[folder:DLC Theories (more unmarked spoilers)]]
With the reveal that ''Final Fantasy XVI'' is set to receive not one, but ''two'' full DLC expansions that will explore further tales from Valisthea, this folder is ''ripe'' for all manner of speculation and guessing, from the totally baseless to the...[[BuffySpeak not-baseless]].
[[WMG:"Episode Cid"]]
One of the first things Yoshi-P revealed before even officially announcing the DLC episodes is that the developers are looking into specifically what the players ''want'' to see. Considering the fact that demands for more Cid were apparent on the day of the game's release...needless to say, we're ''probably'' getting a playable Cid campaign that will further explore his character, backstory, motivations, etc. From his past relationship with Benedikta (and more), to the rift that formed between him and Barnabas.
* We also might be seeing Cid and Mid on-screen together for the first time, seeing as Cid dies before she makes her proper debut in the game, potentially exploring how he adopted her. While the planet ''could possibly'' crumble from the sheer pressure of their [[WorldOfSnark combined snark]], this troper would be a-okay with it.
* While Cid wears a pair of swords, he never actually dual wields them, perhaps on account of the crystal's curse hampering one of his hands. If this expansion follows a younger Cid, we may see this after all. A dual-wielding, lightning fast combat style could be a nice contrast to Clive's more harder-hitting technique.
[[WMG:"Leviathan the Lost"]]
The revelation of "Leviathan the Lost" might as well be screaming "[[SequelHook SEQUEL HOOK!!!]]" at you. The game explores two timeskips, with two protagonists each doing their own thing. Whether we may be playing as Clive again, or finally take control of an adult Joshua, this story is ripe for exploration either way.
* If Joshua (or someone else) is the playable character for this one, clearing the expansion will unlock Leviathan as a usable Eikon style for Clive in the main game.
[[WMG:"The Ballad of Barnabas"]]
No character in the story is more mysterious than King Barnabas. From his insane power, to devotion to Ultima, to utterly enigmatic origins, to....even his...[[ParentalIncest weird mommy issues]], Barnabas is terrifying, yet equally captivating enough that he warrants his own tale. ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyXV'''s "Episode Ardyn" proved that a fleshed-out-enough villain can make for a magnetic protagonist when done right.
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[[WMG: Leviathan's absence screwed Ultima's plan.]]
It's noted elsewhere here that, as evidenced by Clive's petrification taking hold post Final Boss fight, Ultima's plan to make Clive his new host ultimately turned out to be doomed to failure from the very start due to Clive being incompatible. Said plan of course revolved around Ifrit absorbing the powers of all the other Eikons to make Clive Ultima's ideal host. And there's the catch; ''All'' the Eikons, which would include Leviathan The Lost. Others here assume Ultima had planned around Levi's absence but it would appear he had badly miscalculated. More to the point, if Clive ever had find Levi and absorbed it too, Ultima's plan would have worked as intended, or conversely Clive would have been okay after the fight and he, Jill, Joshua and Torgal would have unequivocally gotten their happily ever after.
It's noted elsewhere here that, as evidenced by Clive's petrification taking hold post Final Boss fight, Ultima's plan to make Clive his new host ultimately turned out to be doomed to failure from the very start due to Clive being incompatible. Said plan of course revolved around Ifrit absorbing the powers of all the other Eikons to make Clive Ultima's ideal host. And there's the catch; ''All'' the Eikons, which would include Leviathan The Lost. Others here assume Ultima had planned around Levi's absence but it would appear he had badly miscalculated. More to the point, if Clive ever had find Levi and absorbed it too, Ultima's plan would have worked as intended, or conversely Clive would have been okay after the fight and he, Jill, Joshua and Torgal would have unequivocally gotten their happily ever after.
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The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and any chance of Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. Barnabas was not ''born'' a Dominant (nor was his manifestation dormant like Cid's), and being blessed with the power of Odin later in life flooded him with enough aether to become an Akashic, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
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The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and any chance of Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. plans.
[[WMG: Barnabas was not''born'' born a Dominant (nor Dominant.]]
Nor was his manifestation dormant likeCid's), and being Cid's. Following the above, Ultima blessed him with the power of Odin after he fell to cynicism and became more fanatically devoted to the Circle of Malius. Being imbued with an Eikon later in life flooded him with -- as well as enough aether to supplant the need for a Mothercrystal -- caused him to become an Akashic, Akashic at the same time, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
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This piggybacks off the above [=WMG=]: [=WMG=] chain: Each Mothercrystal is associated with a specific element and Eikon, and was the center of a tribal civilization where each Eikon first manifested. The main assumption is that in order for a Dominant to manifest, manifest normally, they must both be a descendant of the Motes who originally manifested each Eikon, ''and'' the Mothercrystal of their respective element must still be active at the time of their birth.
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* And as stated above, Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness, with Barnabas directly working in cahoots with Ultima.
Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, the first Mothercrystal to fall to Blight. Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, the first Mothercrystal to fall to Blight. Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
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* And as As stated above, Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness, with Barnabas directly working in cahoots with Ultima.
Odin as the exception to the rules thanks to Ultima
* Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, thefirst Mothercrystal in southern Ash which was the first to fall to Blight. Blight.
Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
* Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, the
Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
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* There's also the question of why Leviathan would be called "Lost" if it never awakened in the first place, especially when special note is made that Barnabas was the first manifestation of Odin in Valisthea.
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The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. Barnabas was not ''born'' a Dominant (nor was his manifestation dormant like Cid's), and being blessed with the power of Odin later in life flooded him with enough aether to become an Akashic, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
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The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and any chance of Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. Barnabas was not ''born'' a Dominant (nor was his manifestation dormant like Cid's), and being blessed with the power of Odin later in life flooded him with enough aether to become an Akashic, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
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This piggybacks off the above [=WMG=]: Each Mothercrystal is associated with a specific element and Eikon, and was the center of a tribal civilization where each Eikon first manifested. The main assumption is that in order for a Dominant to manifest, they must both be a descendant of the Motes who originally manifested each Eikon, ''and'' the Mothercrystal of their respective element must still be active at the time of their birth.
We know Valisthea was originally home to 8 Mothercrystals, three of which have fallen before the story begins:
* Drake's Breath is the Fire Crystal, home to Phoenix; Drake's Fang is the Earth Crystal, home to Titan; Drake's Head is the Light Crystal, home to Bahamut
* Drake's Eye is the Ice Crystal, former home to Shiva before it fell to Blight shortly before the story, most likely early within Jill's lifetime
* Ramuh's lore entry notes the Motes of Thunder were originally at home in central Ash in the area now occupied by Waloed, which would imply Drake's Spine is the Thunder Crystal
* Garuda's entry reveals the Motes of Wind, likewise, were originally at home in what is now the Crystalline Dominion, making Drake's Tail the Wind Crystal
* And as stated above, Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness, with Barnabas directly working in cahoots with Ultima.
Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, the first Mothercrystal to fall to Blight. Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
[[WMG: Leviathan is absent because Drake's Horn fell to the Blight]]
This piggybacks off the above [=WMG=]: Each Mothercrystal is associated with a specific element and Eikon, and was the center of a tribal civilization where each Eikon first manifested. The main assumption is that in order for a Dominant to manifest, they must both be a descendant of the Motes who originally manifested each Eikon, ''and'' the Mothercrystal of their respective element must still be active at the time of their birth.
We know Valisthea was originally home to 8 Mothercrystals, three of which have fallen before the story begins:
* Drake's Breath is the Fire Crystal, home to Phoenix; Drake's Fang is the Earth Crystal, home to Titan; Drake's Head is the Light Crystal, home to Bahamut
* Drake's Eye is the Ice Crystal, former home to Shiva before it fell to Blight shortly before the story, most likely early within Jill's lifetime
* Ramuh's lore entry notes the Motes of Thunder were originally at home in central Ash in the area now occupied by Waloed, which would imply Drake's Spine is the Thunder Crystal
* Garuda's entry reveals the Motes of Wind, likewise, were originally at home in what is now the Crystalline Dominion, making Drake's Tail the Wind Crystal
* And as stated above, Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness, with Barnabas directly working in cahoots with Ultima.
Which leaves the Motes of Water unaccounted for, and no claim on Drake's Horn, the first Mothercrystal to fall to Blight. Drake's Horn fell decades prior to the establishment of Stonhyrr around Drake's Spine; it's probable Leviathan used to manifest within recorded Valisthean history, but that Dominants of Leviathan stopped being born after Drake's Horn flickered out, and the citizens caught on that the loss of the Mothercrystal means Leviathan is gone ''forever'', hence "the Lost".
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The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. Barnabas was not ''born'' a Dominant (nor was his manifestation dormant like Cid's), and being blessed with the power of Odin later in life flooded him with enough aether to become an Akashic, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
The Motes of Darkness were a tribe surrounding Dzemekys, before Ultima destroyed the Mothercrystal after their attempt to storm it. The Circle of Malius was then formed from survivors of Dzemekys, as a religion worshipping Ultima. Assuming each Mothercrystal is actually tied to an element and an Eikon's ability to manifest as a Dominant, this would explain why Barnabas is seemingly the first manifestation of Odin in recorded Valisthean history: Dzemekys was the Mothercrystal of Darkness and Odin was removed from the board centuries ago, but the Circle's loyalty to Ultima inspired the god to rekindle the power of Odin within one of their number (without need for a Mothercrystal) in order to create an Eikon entirely under his thumb as a more effective puppet for his plans. Barnabas was not ''born'' a Dominant (nor was his manifestation dormant like Cid's), and being blessed with the power of Odin later in life flooded him with enough aether to become an Akashic, with Odin being the only thing allowing him to retain his will.
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* Debatable whether this holds ground, considering the existence of a tribe called the Children of Dzemekys which Barnabas belongs to. Yes, the Dominant of Odin might have come from outside Valisthea but his tribe has history with Valisthea. This is the counterargument I would like to offer that the Dzemekys Mothercrystal could not be associated with Leviathan.
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The reason Leviathan is absent is that each Dominant is tied to a Mothercrystal. As Dzemekys was obliterated by Ultima 1500 ago, and Dominants only started appearing roughly 700 years ago, it can be surmised that Leviathan was tied to Dzemekys and thus never had the opportunity to awake.
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The reason Leviathan is absent is that each Dominant is tied to a Mothercrystal. As Dzemekys was obliterated by Ultima 1500 ago, and Dominants only started appearing roughly 700 years ago, it can be surmised that Leviathan was tied to Dzemekys and thus never had the opportunity to awake.
awake, or perhaps the presumed Motes of Water tribe that would host its Dominant was wiped out with Dzemekys.
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[[WMG: Leviathan is absent because Dzemekys was destroyed]]
The reason Leviathan is absent is that each Dominant is tied to a Mothercrystal. As Dzemekys was obliterated by Ultima 1500 ago, and Dominants only started appearing roughly 700 years ago, it can be surmised that Leviathan was tied to Dzemekys and thus never had the opportunity to awake.
The reason Leviathan is absent is that each Dominant is tied to a Mothercrystal. As Dzemekys was obliterated by Ultima 1500 ago, and Dominants only started appearing roughly 700 years ago, it can be surmised that Leviathan was tied to Dzemekys and thus never had the opportunity to awake.
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Some fans have noted that "Kihel" seems to be a [[https://twitter.com/MsSaiFox/status/1681537453516296193 form of the German "Kiehl/Kiel]]." This means “born of a land of the waters/flood” and has deep symbolic ties to boats (as in the keel of a ship) in German. At the same time, the positioning of the Eikons in the mural [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681542929356324864 seems to depict their relationships]] in the game and Leviathan looks to be protecting Bahamut, something that Kihel does by helping Dion's recovery in the game. Finally, it's been established that Dominants can sense each other and that the three characters that Kihel somehow randomly has contact with not just Dion, [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681722338424008705 but Jill and Clive as well]], all Dominants.
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Some fans have noted that "Kihel" seems to be a [[https://twitter.com/MsSaiFox/status/1681537453516296193 form of the German "Kiehl/Kiel]]."Kiehl/Kiel." This means “born of a land of the waters/flood” and has deep symbolic ties to boats (as in the keel of a ship) in German. At the same time, the positioning of the Eikons in the mural [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681542929356324864 seems to depict their relationships]] relationships in the game and Leviathan looks to be protecting Bahamut, something that Kihel does by helping Dion's recovery in the game. Finally, it's been established that Dominants can sense each other and that the three four characters that Kihel somehow randomly has contact with are not just Dion, [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681722338424008705 but Jill Joshua, Jill, and Clive as well]], well, all Dominants.
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[[WMG: Kihel is Leviathan's Dominant]]
Some fans have noted that "Kihel" seems to be a [[https://twitter.com/MsSaiFox/status/1681537453516296193 form of the German "Kiehl/Kiel]]." This means “born of a land of the waters/flood” and has deep symbolic ties to boats (as in the keel of a ship) in German. At the same time, the positioning of the Eikons in the mural [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681542929356324864 seems to depict their relationships]] in the game and Leviathan looks to be protecting Bahamut, something that Kihel does by helping Dion's recovery in the game. Finally, it's been established that Dominants can sense each other and that the three characters that Kihel somehow randomly has contact with not just Dion, [[https://twitter.com/aitaikimochi/status/1681722338424008705 but Jill and Clive as well]], all Dominants.
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[[WMG: A part of DLC will feature a boss fight with someone called the Man in Red.]]
He will be taking weapons from warriors on all sides after defeating them. He is searching for a legendary blade called excalibur. He will use blue magic and a spear.
He will be taking weapons from warriors on all sides after defeating them. He is searching for a legendary blade called excalibur. He will use blue magic and a spear.
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[[WMG: A part of the DLC will feature a boss fight with someone called the Man in Red.]]
He will be taking weapons from warriors on all sides after defeating them. He is searching for a legendary blade called excalibur. He will use blue magic and aspear.
spear. After defeating once he will show his true form and call for his friend to join the battle as will Clive, leading to a two vs two battle.
He will be taking weapons from warriors on all sides after defeating them. He is searching for a legendary blade called excalibur. He will use blue magic and a
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* My understanding is that Ultima says "Mythos" to refer specifically to an empty vessel tailored for him to inhabit -- Clive isn't quite "empty", but Ultima doesn't recognize human autonomy so that's a technicality to him, hence working to clean the vessel out for his own use. "Logos" by extension could be a term for a level of autonomy Ultima ''does'' recognize, meaning that he thinks Mythos is inhabited by another being rivaling Ultima himself which he doesn't have the authority to remove -- in this case Clive's own resolve, but Ultima at that time still derisively refuses to believe such strength could be born of a human.
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Annabella actually mentions giving birth to both Clive and Joshua, but Phoenix's power may skip a generation or two, since Elwin isn't a Dominant while his father was.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Annabella actually mentions giving birth to both Clive and Joshua, but Phoenix's power may skip a generation or two, since Elwin isn't a Dominant while his father was. As for blood inheritance, Dominants are chosen among the descendants of certain tribes where the Eikon has first manifested, such as Barnabas being a descendant of the Motes of Darkness, who were connected to Odin.]]
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* [[spoiler:Jossed. Eikons choose their Dominants among the descendants of certain tribes, like the Rosfield family ancestors belonging to the tribe known as the Motes of Fire who have been connected to the Phoenix.]]
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