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******** WordOfGod says Archer went through the Ilya route.[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
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******** WordOfGod says Archer went through the Ilya route.route.
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
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This would explain why a guy like [[CompleteMonster Gilgamesh]] is marked as ChaoticGood and [[NobleDemon Assasin]] as NeutralEvil. They personally believe those to be there alignments.
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This would explain why a guy like [[CompleteMonster Gilgamesh]] is marked as ChaoticGood and [[NobleDemon Assasin]] Assassin]] as NeutralEvil. They personally believe those to be there alignments.
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[[WMG: The CharacterAlignment in the FateStayNight universe is what the characters themselves believe it to be.]]
This would explain why a guy like [[CompleteMonster Gilgamesh]] is marked as ChaoticGood and [[NobleDemon Assasin]] as NeutralEvil. They personally believe those to be there alignments.
This would explain why a guy like [[CompleteMonster Gilgamesh]] is marked as ChaoticGood and [[NobleDemon Assasin]] as NeutralEvil. They personally believe those to be there alignments.
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******** WordOfGod says Archer went through the Ilya route.
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
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******** WordOfGod says Archer went through the Ilya route.
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
route.[[WMG:There was a good reason for Assassin's NeutralEvil alignment.]]
********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
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* No need of a game for [[spoiler: Akasha/the Root]]; Nasu's already wrote about it, his very first, in fact. [[spoiler: It's called ''KaraNoKyoukai'']].
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** Thanks to the poorly implimented Alignment Modification System in D&D with many GM's out there who don't put Plot over Mechanics, she could've burnt england to the ground and killed everyone living there, and then found a temple to donate gold at and been 100% Chaotic Good.
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**** Maybe it's a stable time loop inside a non-stable loop?
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[[WMG: Shirou and Archer will cause the Nasuverse to end in a catastrophic TemporalParadox failure.]]
At some point, Shirou will see Archer use a sword and copy it. Except, Archer will have gotten that sword by copying when he was still Shirou. The insuing Paradox will destroy everything.
At some point, Shirou will see Archer use a sword and copy it. Except, Archer will have gotten that sword by copying when he was still Shirou. The insuing Paradox will destroy everything.
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[[WMG: Shirou's not native to the Fate universe]]
* Instead, when Kotomine wished for a distraction, the corrupted grail created a fire *and* summoned an orphan to distract Kiritsugu for the rest of his life. Shirou is a native of the Naruto universe, and is partway through developing the Rinnegan (see his ring eyes in the UBW movie.
* Instead, when Kotomine wished for a distraction, the corrupted grail created a fire *and* summoned an orphan to distract Kiritsugu for the rest of his life. Shirou is a native of the Naruto universe, and is partway through developing the Rinnegan (see his ring eyes in the UBW movie.
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* Where else would Ilya have gotten that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWCdeRzqCqY Tiger Tank?]] Fewer than 2,000 models of it were produced (and that's taking both the[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I Mk. I]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II Mk. II]] models ''combined''.
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* Where else would Ilya have gotten that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWCdeRzqCqY Tiger Tank?]] Fewer than 2,000 models of it were produced during World War II (and that's taking both the[[http://en.the [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I Mk. I]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II Mk. II]] models ''combined''.
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[[WMG: The Einzberns had connections to the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Nazi Party.]]
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[[WMG: The Einzberns had connections to the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Nazi Party.]]]]]]
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[[WMG: The Einzberns had connections to the [[NazisWithGnarlyWeapons Nazi Party.]]
* Where else would Ilya have gotten that [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWCdeRzqCqY Tiger Tank?]] Fewer than 2,000 models of it were produced (and that's taking both the[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_I Mk. I]] and [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_II Mk. II]] models ''combined''.
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** He's a future version of Shirou. He's perfectly capable of doing the impossible.
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[[WMG: Archer commits mass murder elsewhere to save everyone at the end of UBW]]
* Because, independant action or not, there's no way he could have pulled of all that stuff at the end without running out of mana.
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* Hey, don't leave [[MemeticSexGod Shiki]] out either.
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* Hey, don't leave [[MemeticSexGod [[{{Tsukihime}} Shiki]] out either.
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* Hey, don't leave [[MemeticSexGod Shiki]] out either.
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* Naturally, this person will be some future variant of [[MemeticSexGod Shirou/Archer]].
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[[WMG: Someday soon, a game will be released where Alaya, Gaia, the Root, and all of those other supreme forces are revealed to be female.]]
And some unlucky sap is going to be the target of their affections.
And some unlucky sap is going to be the target of their affections.
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* Darn it. I was going to say that one! Or rather, that Saber Lily was a younger version of Saber. The outfit definitely makes her look as such.
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Clearly, that outfit is not trying to disguise her gender. In some AlternateUniverse; Arturia was a full-fledged LadyOfWar. This lead to events changing so that Arturia didn't lose Caliburn. For some reason, Saber can access this self in ''Unlimited Codes'' although her memories are still of this universe.
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Clearly, that outfit is not trying to disguise her gender. In some AlternateUniverse; Arturia was a full-fledged LadyOfWar. This lead to events changing so that Arturia didn't lose Caliburn. For some reason, Saber can access this self in ''Unlimited Codes'' although her memories are still of this universe.
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* IKnewIt. "Saber Lily is a what-if version of Saber, passively made pseudocanon by Nasu with a HandWave, saying she's a "refraction of the Kaleidoscope". In other words, she's not going to be in any real story. She's Saber if she took Caliburn but chose to take the title "Queen Arturia" and force the peasants to accept a female leader instead of becoming King Arthur. She never loses Caliburn but never acquires Excalibur, though she does receive Avalon from the Lady of the Lake. She was created by Takeuchi (Type-Moon's artist) making sketches of characters in alternate clothing, and falling in love with her design."
* IKnewIt. "Saber Lily is a what-if version of Saber, passively made pseudocanon by Nasu with a HandWave, saying she's a "refraction of the Kaleidoscope". In other words, she's not going to be in any real story. She's Saber if she took Caliburn but chose to take the title "Queen Arturia" and force the peasants to accept a female leader instead of becoming King Arthur. She never loses Caliburn but never acquires Excalibur, though she does receive Avalon from the Lady of the Lake. She was created by Takeuchi (Type-Moon's artist) making sketches of characters in alternate clothing, and falling in love with her design."
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''{{Tsukihime]]'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universe}}s. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''{{Tsukihime]]'' ''{{Tsukihime}}'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universe}}s. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''[[FateStayNight Fate/Stay Night]]'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universe}}s. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''[[FateStayNight Fate/Stay Night]]'' ''{{Tsukihime]]'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universe}}s. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''[[FateStayNight Fate/Stay Night]]'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universes}}. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and ''[[FateStayNight Fate/Stay Night]]'' Aoko. From two different {{Alternate Universes}}.Universe}}s. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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* It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and FateStayNight Aoko. Two different {{Alternate Universes}}. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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** Jossed, she's actually [[spoiler: Emperor Nero.]] ...who was also supposed to be male.
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* It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and FateStayNight Aoko. Two different {{Alternate Universes}}. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
* It's ''KaraNoKyoukai'' Touko, and FateStayNight Aoko. Two different {{Alternate Universes}}. There is a Touko and Aoko in each, but each only has a beef with their dimension's sister. Whatever situations created the feud was different enough in each world that they have no issue with the alternate version.
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*** In the Fallout universe, the US invades and conquers Canada. SoYeah.
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*** In the Fallout universe, the US invades and conquers Canada. SoYeah.\n
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** That doesn't really work, though. Shirou never abandoned his goal to save everyone he came across, hence why Archer's past is supposed to most closely adhere to Fate (he had nothing to challenge his naive, borrowed ideal). Even when he was betrayed and executed, Shirou still held hope that as part of the Counter Force, he'd be able to prevent disasters and save people. He became the disillusioned Archer only ''after'' he realized that his entire purpose was an eternity of troubleshooting mass murder, and that his ideal of saving everyone had led directly to his self-destruction.
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* My current theory is that Archer is form "Bad End 30". This ending has Shirou throw away his emotion to become a hero, and allows Rin to murder Sakura for the greater good. Kotomine prophesizes that Shirou will easily kill all the other Masters, even Rin, because he is dedicated to a higher goal now. This sounds an awful lot like Archer. And in order to defeat Servants, Shirou would probably need to master his projection magic and reality marble, making him dangerously close to Archer by the end of the Holy Grail War.
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********* No, it doesn't. Archer was close to Ilya, but only in the same way as post-Fate Shirou is, and Ilya is doomed to die a year or so after the war (Zouken says so in HF).
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******** WordOfGod says Archer went through the Ilya route.
