History WMG / EverybodyLovesRaymond

3rd Sep '17 12:36:43 PM Business21
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It is well documented that the show was supposed to end after eight seasons, and the episode seemed to wrap the series up by making everybody happy...Marie and Frank have their dream condo, Ray and Debra finally get peace in their home, and Robert and Amy finally get a house of their own. When they decided to do a ninth season, they reformatted the storyline into a two-part episode with Marie and Frank moving back into the house with Robert and Amy. It is also possible that they intended to end the series with both episodes, subverting the HappyEnding and ending the series on a StatusQuoIsGod note.

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It is well documented that the show was supposed to end after eight seasons, and the episode seemed to wrap the series up by making everybody happy...Marie and Frank have their dream condo, Ray and Debra finally get peace in their home, and Robert and Amy finally get a house of their own. When they decided to do a ninth season, they reformatted the storyline into a two-part episode with Marie and Frank moving back into the house with Robert and Amy. It is also possible that they intended to end the series with both episodes, subverting the HappyEnding and ending closing the series on a StatusQuoIsGod note.
3rd Sep '17 12:35:37 PM Business21
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It's often said that Peter was a {{Retcon}} of Russell, after the creators didn't feel comfortable using Paul Reubens again after his legal troubles. Nonsense! Peter is merely Amy's second brother. Oddly enough, both Russell and Peter own comic book stores. But they have to be different people, because think about it: Russell's comic book store is in Hoboken, New Jersey, while Peter's is (presumably) in Pennsylvania, since he still lives with his parents. So why was Russell never mentioned after his appearance in the "Hackidu" episode? Numerous possibilities: One, Russell passed away sometime after "Hackidu". Two, Russell was disowned by his parents so he wasn't welcome at home (and this includes Amy's wedding). Three, Russell got a job overseas and couldn't return home very easily. Four, [[WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd it's just a TV show so who gives a shit.]]

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It's often said that Peter was a {{Retcon}} of Russell, after the creators didn't feel comfortable using Paul Reubens again after his legal troubles. Nonsense! Peter is merely Amy's second brother. Oddly enough, both Russell and Peter own comic book stores. But they have to be different people, because think about it: Russell's comic book store is in Hoboken, New Jersey, while Peter's is (presumably) in Pennsylvania, since he still lives with his parents. So why was Russell never mentioned after his appearance in the "Hackidu" episode? Numerous possibilities: One, Russell passed away sometime after "Hackidu". Two, Russell was disowned by his parents so he wasn't welcome at home (and this includes Amy's wedding). Three, Russell got a job overseas and couldn't return home very easily. Four, [[WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd it's just a TV show so who gives a shit.]]]]

[[WMG: "The Home" was originally written to be the series finale.]]

It is well documented that the show was supposed to end after eight seasons, and the episode seemed to wrap the series up by making everybody happy...Marie and Frank have their dream condo, Ray and Debra finally get peace in their home, and Robert and Amy finally get a house of their own. When they decided to do a ninth season, they reformatted the storyline into a two-part episode with Marie and Frank moving back into the house with Robert and Amy. It is also possible that they intended to end the series with both episodes, subverting the HappyEnding and ending the series on a StatusQuoIsGod note.
4th Jan '17 12:54:32 PM speedyboris
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* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, Beelzebub
* In an earlier episode Robert dresses as Santa, and Ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle Robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, I've only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
* the episode Raybert was at first glance to be Robert stealing Raymond's life story to pick up women but it was actually Robert and Raymond swapping forms so Raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and Robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to Debra in the process fixing Raymond's marriage for him.
it seems to be a male Barone trait which is why we never have evidence of Marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debar is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the Barones now have her scent
* Raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
* Jeffrey takes after frank and Raymond much more whereas Michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, causing him to have problems in school as well
* Robert was always the black-sheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as Raymond did; Raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so Robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop
* they watch sports often as they wish to analyze the structure of the players in order to accurately shift into their form
* franks father beat him because he took in the natural shifter form, a reptilian humanoid. he felt human-shifter hybrids were inferior and wished to beat the human out of his boy and although frank clearly felt the same prejudice the human love of his sons overcame his animalistic shifter ideals
* Marie is obsessed with Robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and Debra always butt heads; Debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and Michael and Jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to Amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and Robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
* And when Robert believes he might be gay Marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

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* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, Beelzebub
Beelzebub.
* In an earlier episode Robert dresses as Santa, and Ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle Robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, I've only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
nervously.
* the The episode Raybert "Raybert" was at first glance to be Robert stealing Raymond's life story to pick up women but it was actually Robert and Raymond swapping forms so Raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and Robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to Debra in the process fixing Raymond's marriage for him.
it
him.
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seems to be a male Barone trait which is why we never have evidence of Marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debar Debra is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it it, as the Barones now have her scent
scent.
* Raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
better.
* Jeffrey takes after frank Frank and Raymond much more more, whereas Michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, causing him to have problems in school as well
well.
* Robert was always the black-sheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as Raymond did; Raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so Robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it It comes in handy handy, as hes he's a cop
cop.
* they They watch sports often often, as they wish to analyze the structure of the players in order to accurately shift into their form
form.
* franks Frank's father beat him because he took in the natural shifter form, a reptilian humanoid. he He felt human-shifter hybrids were inferior and wished to beat the human out of his boy and although frank Frank clearly felt the same prejudice prejudice, the human love of his sons overcame his animalistic shifter ideals
ideals.
* Marie is obsessed with Robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the The more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and Debra always butt heads; Debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and Michael and Jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to Amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and Robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
shifter.
* And when Robert believes he might be gay gay, Marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.shifter.

[[WMG: Russell and Peter are two different people.]]

It's often said that Peter was a {{Retcon}} of Russell, after the creators didn't feel comfortable using Paul Reubens again after his legal troubles. Nonsense! Peter is merely Amy's second brother. Oddly enough, both Russell and Peter own comic book stores. But they have to be different people, because think about it: Russell's comic book store is in Hoboken, New Jersey, while Peter's is (presumably) in Pennsylvania, since he still lives with his parents. So why was Russell never mentioned after his appearance in the "Hackidu" episode? Numerous possibilities: One, Russell passed away sometime after "Hackidu". Two, Russell was disowned by his parents so he wasn't welcome at home (and this includes Amy's wedding). Three, Russell got a job overseas and couldn't return home very easily. Four, [[WebVideo/TheAngryVideoGameNerd it's just a TV show so who gives a shit.]]
2nd Jan '17 12:14:53 PM newblood75
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* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, beezlebub
* In an earlier episode robert dresses as santa ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, ive only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
* the episode raybert was at first glance to be robert stealing raymonds life story to pick up women but it was actually robert and raymond swapping forms so raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to debra in the process fixing raymonds marriage for him.
it seems to be a male barone trait which is why we never have evidence of marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debra is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the barones now have her scent
* raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
* jeffrey takes after frank and raymond much more whereas michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, casuing him to have problems in school as well
* robert was always the blacksheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as raymond did; raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop

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* In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, beezlebub
Beelzebub
* In an earlier episode robert Robert dresses as santa ally Santa, and Ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle robert, Robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, ive I've only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
* the episode raybert Raybert was at first glance to be robert Robert stealing raymonds Raymond's life story to pick up women but it was actually robert Robert and raymond Raymond swapping forms so raymond Raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and robert Robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to debra Debra in the process fixing raymonds Raymond's marriage for him.
it seems to be a male barone Barone trait which is why we never have evidence of marie Marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
* debra debar is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the barones Barones now have her scent
* raymond Raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
* jeffrey Jeffrey takes after frank and raymond Raymond much more whereas michael Michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, casuing causing him to have problems in school as well
* robert Robert was always the blacksheep black-sheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as raymond Raymond did; raymond Raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so robert Robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop



* marie is obsessed with robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and debra always butt heads; debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and michael and jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
* and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

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* marie Marie is obsessed with robert Robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and debra Debra always butt heads; debra Debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and michael Michael and jeffrey Jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to amy Amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and robert Robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
* and And when robert Robert believes he might be gay marie Marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.
9th Mar '16 7:46:31 PM GrammarNavi
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** Although in a crossover episode with ''KingofQueens'' (''Rayging Bulls''), Ray is depicted as somebody who has no objection to going out clubbing with Doug Heffernan while their respective wives are both out of town; the fact they are seen trying to pick up girls to prove they've still got it appears to be a bit out of character for Ray. If Ray has, in fact, been tempted to stray in the past this would explain his conduct better!

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** Although in a crossover episode with ''KingofQueens'' ''Series/TheKingofQueens'' (''Rayging Bulls''), Ray is depicted as somebody who has no objection to going out clubbing with Doug Heffernan while their respective wives are both out of town; the fact they are seen trying to pick up girls to prove they've still got it appears to be a bit out of character for Ray. If Ray has, in fact, been tempted to stray in the past this would explain his conduct better!



** The show did this from the beggining with Marie, who would always win even when it was obvious to everyone sometimes including herself that she was wrong, they eventually gave the same treatment to Debra and at times even Amy.

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** The show did this from the beggining beginning with Marie, who would always win even when it was obvious to everyone sometimes including herself that she was wrong, they eventually gave the same treatment to Debra and at times even Amy.



[[WMG: EverybodyLovesRaymond and TheKingOfQueens occur in the same universe.]]

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[[WMG: EverybodyLovesRaymond Series/EverybodyLovesRaymond and TheKingOfQueens Series/TheKingOfQueens occur in the same universe.]]



** In TheKingOfQueens, we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond appears in character.
** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.

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** In TheKingOfQueens, ''The King Of Queens'', we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond ''Everybody Loves Raymond'' appears in character.
** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, ''Everybody Loves Raymond'', Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.



* and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.

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* and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter. \n
23rd Nov '15 6:42:50 PM dibdobs
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** Kevin James, though, appeared most often in early episodes of ELR as Ray's friend Kevin - at least four times. He was evidently RetConned to explain their first meeting in the driving test centre doing the written test for the driving licence. (His early appearances as Kevin being long before the conception of KOQ?)

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** Kevin James, though, appeared most often in early episodes of ELR as Ray's friend Kevin - at least four times. He was evidently RetConned to explain their first meeting in the driving test centre doing the written test for the driving licence. (His early appearances as Kevin being long before the conception of KOQ?)KOQ?)

[[WMG: The male Barones are shapeshifters.]]

*In one episode Garvin and Stan are debating if frank is a witch or a warlock, not whether or not he is supernatural but rather what kind they then settle on the devil, incarnate of the beast, beezlebub
*In an earlier episode robert dresses as santa ally sees right through the disguise and says its uncle robert, which leads to the infamous line, "no no little one, ive only assumed the body of a life form you would accept" before shifting his eyes nervously
*the episode raybert was at first glance to be robert stealing raymonds life story to pick up women but it was actually robert and raymond swapping forms so raymond could escape his crumbling marriage for some fun and robert could live out his fantasies of having it all, kids, a nice house, making love to debra in the process fixing raymonds marriage for him.
it seems to be a male barone trait which is why we never have evidence of marie shifting, though we hear of her mystical powers from time to time. More on that later.
*debra is an outsider looking in but after marriage was trapped into it as the barones now have her scent
*raymond was ecstatic to learn he was having a boy after having only a daughter in order for him to pass his trait along, and realizing he was having twins made it all the more better
*jeffrey takes after frank and raymond much more whereas michael is more human so has more trouble with the shifting, casuing him to have problems in school as well
*robert was always the blacksheep of the family because he did not transition as easily as raymond did; raymond since birth could shift almost fluidly so robert allowed his shifting to lay dormant. it comes in handy as hes a cop
*they watch sports often as they wish to analyze the structure of the players in order to accurately shift into their form
*franks father beat him because he took in the natural shifter form, a reptilian humanoid. he felt human-shifter hybrids were inferior and wished to beat the human out of his boy and although frank clearly felt the same prejudice the human love of his sons overcame his animalistic shifter ideals
*marie is obsessed with robert giving her grandchildren, a grandson mostly, because she is a succubus who gains power from her surroundings. the more powerful those she is connected to are, the more powerful she ultimately is which is why her and debra always butt heads; debra is a mere human and gave her human-shifter grandchildren, making ally a complete waste in her eyes and michael and jeffrey only 1/2 as powerful as they should be. she takes a liking to amy because she has a dormant succubus trait, meaning if she and robert have kids it will be 1/2 succubus or 1/2 shifter
*and when robert believes he might be gay marie is on board because he could mate with another shifter creating another pureblood, possibly a rare female shifter.
31st Jan '15 6:46:27 PM PrinceKaen
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By a man. Because of that,s he subconsiously took her rage out on Ray, because he is the closest man in her life, much like the man who abused her was.

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By a man. Because of that,s he subconsiously that, she subconsciously took her rage out on Ray, because he is the closest man in her life, much like the man who abused her was.




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** The OP said a man in general, that doesn't necessarily mean her father.
5th Nov '14 2:32:09 AM AgProv
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** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.

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** In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.house.
** Kevin James, though, appeared most often in early episodes of ELR as Ray's friend Kevin - at least four times. He was evidently RetConned to explain their first meeting in the driving test centre doing the written test for the driving licence. (His early appearances as Kevin being long before the conception of KOQ?)
5th Nov '14 2:28:31 AM AgProv
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** Although in a crossover episode with ''KingofQueens'' (''Rayging Bulls''), Ray is depicted as somebody who has no objection to going out clubbing with Doug Heffernan while their respective wives are both out of town; the fact they are seen trying to pick up girls to prove they've still got it appears to be a bit out of character for Ray. If Ray has, in fact, been tempted to stray in the past this would explain his conduct better!
10th Dec '13 4:47:28 PM Voinic
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** In TheKingOfQueens, we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond appears

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** In TheKingOfQueens, we have an episode where Ray comes over to Doug and Carrie's house to hang out for the weekend, and another episode where nearly the entire main cast (Ray, Deborah, Frank, Marie) of EverybodyLovesRaymond appearsappears in character.
**In EverybodyLovesRaymond, Doug once appears delivering a package to Ray's house.
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