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11th Jun '16 1:18:59 PM Allexan
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** Missing the entire point: [[spoiler: Nemesis]] is an instrument of Outsiders.



* Mac: he's a member but he's a spymaster and can't reveal

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* Mac: he's a member but he's a spymaster and can't reveal
2nd Dec '15 9:31:23 AM dreamofwritting
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* [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words]]: ''Death'' Curse.

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* [[TwoWordsObviousTrope Two words]]: words: ''Death'' Curse.
30th Sep '15 12:35:41 PM jmparker78
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*** From the moment Harry named them, I suspected Ebenezar was a member. His look of surprise and shock when Harry first uses the name tells me one of two things: he suspected Harry of being a member (unlikely, considering how willing he's been to believe the best of Harry) or he is a member himself, and he knows that's what they really call themselves, and he wonders how Harry knows that.
9th Feb '15 10:59:49 AM Wicked
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* As a huge background villain that has is notorious for being almost unkillable, a revived Kemmler would be a very good candidate for the Black Council.

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* As a huge background villain that has who is notorious for being almost unkillable, a revived Kemmler would be a very good candidate for the Black Council.
9th Feb '15 10:57:42 AM Wicked
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*** As a huge background villain that has is notorious for being almost unkillable, a revived Kemmler would be a very good candidate for the Black Council.

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*** * As a huge background villain that has is notorious for being almost unkillable, a revived Kemmler would be a very good candidate for the Black Council.
9th Feb '15 10:55:51 AM Wicked
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***As a huge background villain that has is notorious for being almost unkillable, a revived Kemmler would be a very good candidate for the Black Council.
30th Dec '14 2:08:27 AM Bronzethumb
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* [[spoiler:re: the Maeve example. Nicodemus and Anduriel made an alliance. Who's to say that Nemesis isn't running the same play? It could be a hive mind version of the Denarian coins, controlling people where necessary but making alliances with its host where it can.]]
6th Sep '14 4:45:55 PM ASHDEVIL
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Ironically, by scaring the unliving crap out of Mavra at the end of ''Dead Beat'', Dresden may actually have driven away one of the few beings who could actually have filled him in on the "Circle" and its agenda, years before he started to figure things out for himself. There's possibly still time to learn what she knows, if she turns up at the conference for ''Peace Talks'' ... although, knowing Mavra, the price she'd demand for such insider knowledge about the Black Council will be both steep and ghastly.

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Ironically, by scaring the unliving crap out of Mavra at the end of ''Dead Beat'', Dresden may actually have driven away one of the few beings who could actually have filled him in on the "Circle" and its agenda, years before he started to figure things out for himself. There's possibly still time to learn what she knows, if she turns up at the conference for ''Peace Talks'' ... although, knowing Mavra, the price she'd demand for such insider knowledge about the Black Council will be both steep and ghastly.ghastly.

[[WMG:Black and Gray Council Members.]]
* Black Council: These people are all evil or unbalanced in some way, most likely--see Harry's talk with Molly about this in ''Turn Coat''. So it's probably not going to be some one like Father Forthill, as wild and horrifying as that would be. My best guesses are as follows:
** Mavra: She was definitely tied closely with Bianca, and thus Cowl as well. She's definitely in as an amoral killer with a lot of age and power, as well as the patience to play the long game and the wisdom to know when ''not'' to fight, as evidenced by her proving smarter than Binder when Harry told her to GTHO.
** Red King: he definitely was involved because the Red Court showed up with Outsiders on the roster, and that would never have happened without his permission. If he was infected by Nemesis, it may also have hastened his loss of control.
** Formor: Aty least some of them, because of how awful we've seen them to be, and because if the Fae are [[spoiler: fighting the Outsiders at the Gates]] then the Formor, who are enemies the Fae defeated long ago, would definitely be open to an EnemyMine.
** Tessa: she's not loyal to the cause, but just wants to use them to cause as much destruction as possible. If not her, then Rosanna is the only Fallen we've seen explicitly using Hellfire, and she was in the attack on Artis Tor.
** Ferrovox: has been corrupted into joining by Nemesis. If he weren't he would have wasted the Red Court for giving him a (presumably) corrupted gift. But he may be fighting it like Lea and Sith.
** Claus the Toymaker: He's a powerful wizard we've heard mentioned and Ebenezar thinks he's Senior Council material, but we've never yet seen him.

Probably more, but I'll move on to my Gray Council guesses.
* Eldest Gruff: Mab and Titania can't be on the same side, but just as Lea probably is Mab's proxy of support, Eldest Gruff is Titania's, which is another reason why he likes Harry.
* A (high-ranking) member of the Jade Council: we've heard about them but never seen them, and they were purposefully keeping out of the Vampire war.
* Hades: he's in with Mab and clearly a decent guy. If not him, one of his relatives.
* Martha Liberty: Senior Council member and friend of Ebenezar's who he presumably trusts.
* River Shoulders: good guy, powerful, might be in if Listens to Wind is but I'm not sure...
* Mac: he's a member but he's a spymaster and can't reveal
26th Aug '14 5:48:19 AM StabbyJenkins
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*** On that note, when it comes to an army or invasion force, where do the scouts typically walk? Also with that logic, and Butcher's penchant for [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority Asskicking Equals Authority]] and [=HWWBehind=]being the strongest, the general, and behind the mook wall makes sense.

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*** On ***On that note, when it comes to an army or invasion force, where do the scouts typically walk? Also with that logic, and Butcher's penchant for [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority Asskicking Equals Authority]] and [=HWWBehind=]being the strongest, the general, and behind the mook wall makes sense.
26th Aug '14 5:48:16 AM StabbyJenkins
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* Also, the Outsiders are a bit too...tame. This troper was initially somewhat disappointed by He Who Walks Before, simply because it wasn't the unknowable engine of Mind Rape that he had been expecting. Maybe it was the somehwat humanoid structure or the ability to communicate intelligebly. I was much more impressed by He Who Walks behind because A) he was much more personal and sinister, choosing to stalk prey and hunt them down with his own agenda and B) he was just flat out STRANGE, what with his ability to sneak up behnd people but never appear in front of them, his strange fusion of cephalopod, reptilian, and animal flesh, etc.

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* Also, the Outsiders are a bit too...tame. This troper was initially somewhat disappointed by He Who Walks Before, simply because it wasn't the unknowable engine of Mind Rape that he had been expecting. Maybe it was the somehwat somewhat humanoid structure or the ability to communicate intelligebly. intelligibly. I was much more impressed by He Who Walks behind because A) he was much more personal and sinister, choosing to stalk prey and hunt them down with his own agenda and B) he was just flat out STRANGE, what with his ability to sneak up behnd behind people but never appear in front of them, his strange fusion of cephalopod, reptilian, and animal flesh, etc.




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***On that note, when it comes to an army or invasion force, where do the scouts typically walk? Also with that logic, and Butcher's penchant for [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority Asskicking Equals Authority]] and [=HWWBehind=]being the strongest, the general, and behind the mook wall makes sense.
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