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* Semiconfirmed as the new elemental class "Stasis" in the upcoming Beyond the Light DLC is Darkness-based.
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*Semiconfirmed as the new elemental class "Stasis" in the upcoming Beyond the Light DLC is Darkness-based.
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With Season of Dawn touching on Curse of Osiris and focusing on the relationship between Saint-14 and Osiris himself and the upcoming Season of Worthy focusing on Rasputin, Ana Bray and Zavala, it looks as though Bungie is tying up certain storylines. If so, then the Season after "Worthy" could touch on ''Forsaken,'' possibly even featuring the debut of [[spoiler:Guardian!Uldren.]]
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With Season of Dawn touching on Curse of Osiris and focusing on the relationship between Saint-14 and Osiris himself and the upcoming Season of Worthy focusing on Rasputin, Ana Bray and Zavala, it looks as though Bungie is tying up certain storylines. If so, then the Season after "Worthy" could touch on ''Forsaken,'' possibly even featuring the debut of [[spoiler:Guardian!Uldren.]]]]
[[WMG: The Security Officer from {{VideoGame/Marathon}} is in the game. He's just been hiding under our noses the whole time]]
* Considering [[EternalHero his nature]]. Which begs the question: '''Who could he be?'''
[[WMG: The Security Officer from {{VideoGame/Marathon}} is in the game. He's just been hiding under our noses the whole time]]
* Considering [[EternalHero his nature]]. Which begs the question: '''Who could he be?'''
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** I think [[spoiler: Cayde]] would agree that [[spoiler:giving Uldren his old job (which he hated, remember)]] would be [[CoolAndUnusualPunishment better revenge than killing him.]] Getting Hunters to cooperate is like herding cats on a good day, even when they ''[[EnsembleDarkhorse like]]'' you. Could you imagine [[HumiliationConga the kind of grief]] they could dish on [[ZeroPercentApprovalRating someone they have good reason to hate?]]
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This is going off the same leakfor ''Forsaken'' as listed above, but something doesn't quite add up for me. The Ahamkara have always been portrayed as dangerous creatures, servants of the Darkness who corrupt anyone they can to its will. [[spoiler:From Mara's description of it, though, Riven seems largely benevolent. Perhaps she just managed to bond with the creature or we're only seeing it from a skewed perspective. But then, why would the Hive go out of their way to corrupt it if it already serves the Darkness?]] While I won't question that the Worm Gods like Xol and Akka are undoubtedly evil, it may be possible that some are not quite as malevolent as the lore and various bone armors make them out to be... [[spoiler:oh reader mine.]]
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This is going off the same leakfor leak for ''Forsaken'' as listed above, but something doesn't quite add up for me. The Ahamkara have always been portrayed as dangerous creatures, servants of the Darkness who corrupt anyone they can to its will. [[spoiler:From Mara's description of it, though, Riven seems largely benevolent. Perhaps she just managed to bond with the creature or we're only seeing it from a skewed perspective. But then, why would the Hive go out of their way to corrupt it if it already serves the Darkness?]] While I won't question that the Worm Gods like Xol and Akka are undoubtedly evil, it may be possible that some are not quite as malevolent as the lore and various bone armors make them out to be... [[spoiler:oh reader mine.]]
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[[https://data.destinysets.com/i/Record:3584636896 The proof seems to be in the pudding.]] ('''WARNING:''' Sections J and G contain massive spoilers for Forsaken's endgame.)
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[[https://data.destinysets.com/i/Record:3584636896 The proof seems to be in the pudding.]] ('''WARNING:''' Sections J and G contain massive spoilers for Forsaken's endgame.))
[[WMG: ''Forsaken'' Revisted]]
With Season of Dawn touching on Curse of Osiris and focusing on the relationship between Saint-14 and Osiris himself and the upcoming Season of Worthy focusing on Rasputin, Ana Bray and Zavala, it looks as though Bungie is tying up certain storylines. If so, then the Season after "Worthy" could touch on ''Forsaken,'' possibly even featuring the debut of [[spoiler:Guardian!Uldren.]]
[[WMG: ''Forsaken'' Revisted]]
With Season of Dawn touching on Curse of Osiris and focusing on the relationship between Saint-14 and Osiris himself and the upcoming Season of Worthy focusing on Rasputin, Ana Bray and Zavala, it looks as though Bungie is tying up certain storylines. If so, then the Season after "Worthy" could touch on ''Forsaken,'' possibly even featuring the debut of [[spoiler:Guardian!Uldren.]]
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It's mentioned in the post-game that [[spoiler: the first Speaker had a Ghost, and therefore may have been a Guardian at one point. With the spot left vacant after the main campaign, the Player, as one of the strongest and most Traveler-connected Guardians still active ''and'' not the leader of any other existing faction, would be the most logical candidate to fill it. Plus, it would be amusingly ironic for the Speaker to be [[HeroicMime someone known for not saying anything]]. Alternately, the player could become SuddenlyVoiced at the end after becoming Speaker [[TheStinger in order to relay something important]].]]
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It's mentioned in the post-game that [[spoiler: the first Speaker had a Ghost, and therefore may have been a Guardian at one point. With the spot left vacant after the main campaign, the Player, as one of the strongest and most Traveler-connected Guardians still active ''and'' not the leader of any other existing faction, would be the most logical candidate to fill it. Plus, it would be amusingly ironic for the Speaker to be [[HeroicMime someone known for not saying anything]]. Alternately, the player could become SuddenlyVoiced be SuddenlySpeaking at the end after becoming Speaker [[TheStinger in order to relay something important]].]]
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* Confirmed. 2019's Festival has her return to her old tradition of handing out raisins.
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Info about Calus' menagerie and comparing it to the Po E.
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* Semiconfirmed, he [[spoiler: hosts the Menagerie, a game mode where the Guardian joins 6 others to wager runes for specific rewards.]]
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Think about it, until House of Wolves the only planet that the Eliksni shied away from was Mars. as of that expansion they are now the only other race besides mankind to have presence on all four planets, Dreadnought notwithstanding. chances are in order to bolster our numbers we broker a trade, some of the Travelers Light and a place in the Last City for reinforcements. Since they don't really have any more Kells, Variks may very well step up as the voice of reason and unite the Fallen under the banner of House Judgement and seek peace with mankind in order to save the Eliksni from extinction, doubly so since Mara Sov is missing and they were the previous agents of the Traveler, which may accept them back into the fold for helping its current agents of Light. Doubles as CrowningMomentOfAwesome if it unlocks custom Eliksni playable characters in the character creation menu after completion of the story.
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Think about it, until House of Wolves the only planet that the Eliksni shied away from was Mars. as of that expansion they are now the only other race besides mankind to have presence on all four planets, Dreadnought notwithstanding. chances are in order to bolster our numbers we broker a trade, some of the Travelers Light and a place in the Last City for reinforcements. Since they don't really have any more Kells, Variks may very well step up as the voice of reason and unite the Fallen under the banner of House Judgement and seek peace with mankind in order to save the Eliksni from extinction, doubly so since Mara Sov is missing and they were the previous agents of the Traveler, which may accept them back into the fold for helping its current agents of Light. Doubles as CrowningMomentOfAwesome SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome if it unlocks custom Eliksni playable characters in the character creation menu after completion of the story.
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* [[spoiler:Uldren]] could take [[spoiler:Cayde's place]] since he mentioned that the Hunter who kills him becomes the new [[spoiler:Hunter Vanguard.]] And this is because [[spoiler:Uldren was resurrected as a Guardian.]]
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** As of Forsaken, that fallen captain became a member of a guardian fireteam, and plans to gather other "open-mind Eliksni" to "fight for the Great Machine together".
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* Jossed; the planetary vendors are now in charge of their respective worlds' Flashpoints.
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* Marcus Ren is outright mentioned by Cayde [[spoiler:in his recordings during the Ace of Spades mission]] as being the most probable Hunter capable of taking him out permanently. [[spoiler:The same recording mentioning Marcus also explicitly has Cayde mention KlingonPromotion is in effect for any Hunter who kills him and he gives advice to his successor.]] Foreshadowing? It would at least let him ''finally'' show up.
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* IMO, the frontrunner would likely be Shiro-4. He operates in a similar manner to Cayde, though a bit more within the rules, and he is a well-respected & prominent Hunter.
[[WMG: The Ahamkara are not willing servants of the Darkness]]
This is going off the same leakfor ''Forsaken'' as listed above, but something doesn't quite add up for me. The Ahamkara have always been portrayed as dangerous creatures, servants of the Darkness who corrupt anyone they can to its will. [[spoiler:From Mara's description of it, though, Riven seems largely benevolent. Perhaps she just managed to bond with the creature or we're only seeing it from a skewed perspective. But then, why would the Hive go out of their way to corrupt it if it already serves the Darkness?]] While I won't question that the Worm Gods like Xol and Akka are undoubtedly evil, it may be possible that some are not quite as malevolent as the lore and various bone armors make them out to be... [[spoiler:oh reader mine.]]
[[WMG: The Ahamkara are not willing servants of the Darkness]]
This is going off the same leakfor ''Forsaken'' as listed above, but something doesn't quite add up for me. The Ahamkara have always been portrayed as dangerous creatures, servants of the Darkness who corrupt anyone they can to its will. [[spoiler:From Mara's description of it, though, Riven seems largely benevolent. Perhaps she just managed to bond with the creature or we're only seeing it from a skewed perspective. But then, why would the Hive go out of their way to corrupt it if it already serves the Darkness?]] While I won't question that the Worm Gods like Xol and Akka are undoubtedly evil, it may be possible that some are not quite as malevolent as the lore and various bone armors make them out to be... [[spoiler:oh reader mine.]]
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* Confirmed: The Year 2 road map includes a Festival of the Lost for October.
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Let's list a bunch of possible candidates.
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Let's list a bunch of possible candidates.candidates.
[[WMG: Quria [[spoiler: will make a HeelFaceTurn.]]]]
[[https://data.destinysets.com/i/Record:3584636896 The proof seems to be in the pudding.]] ('''WARNING:''' Sections J and G contain massive spoilers for Forsaken's endgame.)
[[WMG: Quria [[spoiler: will make a HeelFaceTurn.]]]]
[[https://data.destinysets.com/i/Record:3584636896 The proof seems to be in the pudding.]] ('''WARNING:''' Sections J and G contain massive spoilers for Forsaken's endgame.)
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* Corroborated, as far as one can with WMG stuff, by [[https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/97usqw/spoilerforsaken_warlock_reverie_sawn/ this datamined Reddit post]] on the flavor text and lore entries from the Reverie Dawn warlock raid gear. If this is to be believed, Mara Sov not only survived the events of ''The Taken King'', she's created her own Ascendant Realm similar to Oryx's or Savathun's and will use this to return to our reality.
[[WMG: A corrupted ahamkara will be the final raid boss.]]
Another theory taken from the above-mentioned Reddit datamine. We've heard of the great hunt that saw the practical extinction of the species, but there were also stories that one or two may have survived and hid away from the hunting parties. If the lore info of the Reverie Dawn gear is correct, one still lives and has possibly been corrupted by the Darkness, put in the Dreaming City to sully it from the inside out. Whether we'll have to kill it or just find some way to purify it remains to be seen.
[[WMG: A corrupted ahamkara will be the final raid boss.]]
Another theory taken from the above-mentioned Reddit datamine. We've heard of the great hunt that saw the practical extinction of the species, but there were also stories that one or two may have survived and hid away from the hunting parties. If the lore info of the Reverie Dawn gear is correct, one still lives and has possibly been corrupted by the Darkness, put in the Dreaming City to sully it from the inside out. Whether we'll have to kill it or just find some way to purify it remains to be seen.
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** Jossed, unless there's something in ''Forsaken'' that [[spoiler: immediately precedes Cayde's death]].
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** ''Warmind'' does indeed take place on Mars, and the next expansion, ''Forsaken'', will take place in the Rift. That just leaves Saturn before this WMG is confirmed.
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** Likely jossed. Datamined content suggests that the next two worlds after the expansions will be [[spoiler: an original area called the Myriad, which lies on the outskirts of the Solar System, and Ganymede. Both are stuck in a situation similar to Io and the Myriad has a Lovecraftian monster drifting nearby.]]
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** Likely jossed. Datamined content suggests that the next two worlds after the expansions will be [[spoiler: an original area called the Myriad, which lies on the outskirts of the Solar System, and Ganymede. Both are stuck in a situation similar to Io and the Myriad has a Lovecraftian monster drifting nearby.]]
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** ''Warmind'' does indeed take place on Mars, and the next expansion, ''Forsaken'', will take place in the Rift. That just leaves Saturn before this WMG is confirmed.
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Because the E3 trailer has shown us we're definitely gonna have someone to mourn...
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Because the E3 trailer has shown us we're definitely gonna have someone to mourn...mourn...
[[WMG: Future candidates to [[spoiler:Replace Cayde]]]]
Let's list a bunch of possible candidates.
[[WMG: Future candidates to [[spoiler:Replace Cayde]]]]
Let's list a bunch of possible candidates.
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* Sadly jossed. Rebooting an Exo doesn't bring them back to life. Consoles in the ''Warmind'' DLC state that Exos reboot themselves to prevent their human minds from rejecting their robotic bodies and collapsing. It isn't a means of resurrecting them. Besides that, WordOfGod has confirmed [[spoiler:Cayde is gone.]]
[[WMG: Mara Sov is a Guardian now [[spoiler:and will replace Cayde.]]]]
Dialogue from ''Curse of Osiris'' heavily implies that Mara did not survive the assault on the Dreadnaught. However, just because she died doesn't mean that she can't come back. Recent concept art shows an Awoken Guardian (presumably a Hunter based on their cloak) with features very similar to Mara's, and the player's Guardian having only just been resurrected a few years ago means that there may still be Ghosts out there trying to find partners. If this is the case, it could lend some context as to why Uldren would be willing to go to war with the City.
[[WMG: Mara Sov is a Guardian now [[spoiler:and will replace Cayde.]]]]
Dialogue from ''Curse of Osiris'' heavily implies that Mara did not survive the assault on the Dreadnaught. However, just because she died doesn't mean that she can't come back. Recent concept art shows an Awoken Guardian (presumably a Hunter based on their cloak) with features very similar to Mara's, and the player's Guardian having only just been resurrected a few years ago means that there may still be Ghosts out there trying to find partners. If this is the case, it could lend some context as to why Uldren would be willing to go to war with the City.
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Please. Anything enough to keep [[spoiler: Cayde alive.]]
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Please. Anything enough to keep [[spoiler: Cayde alive.]]]]
[[WMG: Year 2 will have a Festival of the Lost]]
Because the E3 trailer has shown us we're definitely gonna have someone to mourn...
[[WMG: Year 2 will have a Festival of the Lost]]
Because the E3 trailer has shown us we're definitely gonna have someone to mourn...
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We need "a" Cayde.
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After all, [[spoiler: who's going to give you the rewards for them?]]
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After all, [[spoiler: who's going to give you the rewards for them?]]them?]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: Cayde-7 will replace Cayde-6]]]]
Please. Anything enough to keep [[spoiler: Cayde alive.]]
[[WMG: [[spoiler: Cayde-7 will replace Cayde-6]]]]
Please. Anything enough to keep [[spoiler: Cayde alive.]]
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*** The Myriad and Ganymede seem to be early development names for Nessus and Io, respectively. The Leviathan ship in orbit around Nessus could potentially be mistaken for a Lovecraftian monster.
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*** The Myriad and Ganymede seem to be early development names for Nessus and Io, respectively. The Leviathan ship in orbit around Nessus could potentially be mistaken for a Lovecraftian monster.monster.
[[WMG: Year 2 will no longer have Flashpoints]]
After all, [[spoiler: who's going to give you the rewards for them?]]
[[WMG: Year 2 will no longer have Flashpoints]]
After all, [[spoiler: who's going to give you the rewards for them?]]
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* Or perhaps ''Forsaken'' will feature the Darkness "offering" its help in [[spoiler:avenging Cayde-6's death]].
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*** Ana Bray does join up and acts as Mars' faction rep, [[spoiler: but the part about Charlemagne being evil is {{Jossed}}: Rasputin is under threat from the Hive, not another Warmind. The lore also suggests that Charlemagne and Joyeuse are subminds of Rasputin, not distinct entities themselves.]]
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** Though one of the items you can get from Cayde's stashes is "Main/CallBack Ascended Celery]]"....
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** Though one of the items you can get from Cayde's stashes is "Main/CallBack "[[Main/CallBack Ascended Celery]]"....
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** Though one of the items you can get from Cayde's stashes is "Main/CallBack Ascended Celery]]"....
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*** [=50/50=] chance that the part about Ana Bray joining and Charlemagne being evil is true. Bungie may have introduced quite the helping of ContinuitySnarl, but it usually consisted of trivialization; nothing from Destiny 1's lore has ever been fully contradicted. Reminder: Ana Bray is supposed to be dead, but the FWC implies that she simply went missing and is currently impossible to track or even hear from. Also, there's a possibility Charlemagne is benevolent since his data was used to power Rasputin's IKELOS subroutine, though there's also a chance that, in the event that he ''is'' evil, IKELOS may have something to do with why he's getting angry.
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** There are rumors, thanks to alleged datamining, that Expansion II will be set on Enceladus, with Rasputin and co. waging a war on Nezarec, the god of pain. While this contradicts the previous "Gods of ''Mars''" rumors, it is unknown whether this new interpretation of Expansion II, dubbed "Heralds of Nezarec," is an older plan for Expansion II which became "Gods of Mars" or vice versa.
** There are rumors, thanks to alleged datamining, that Expansion II will be set on Enceladus, with Rasputin and co. waging a war on Nezarec, the god of pain. While this contradicts the previous "Gods of ''Mars''" rumors, it is unknown whether this new interpretation of Expansion II, dubbed "Heralds of Nezarec," is an older plan for Expansion II which became "Gods of Mars" or vice versa.
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*** The Myriad and Ganymede seem to be early development names for Nessus and Io, respectively. The Leviathan ship in orbit around Nessus could potentially be mistaken for a Lovecraftian monster.
** There are rumors, thanks to alleged datamining, that Expansion II will be set on Enceladus, with Rasputin and co. waging a war on Nezarec, the god of pain. While this contradicts the previous "Gods of ''Mars''" rumors, it is unknown whether this new interpretation of Expansion II, dubbed "Heralds of Nezarec," is an older plan for Expansion II which became "Gods of Mars" or vice versa.monster.
** There are rumors, thanks to alleged datamining, that Expansion II will be set on Enceladus, with Rasputin and co. waging a war on Nezarec, the god of pain. While this contradicts the previous "Gods of ''Mars''" rumors, it is unknown whether this new interpretation of Expansion II, dubbed "Heralds of Nezarec," is an older plan for Expansion II which became "Gods of Mars" or vice versa.
