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[[WMG: All the characters in Demo Reel were real - though not alive.]]
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[[WMG: All the characters in Demo Reel were real - though not alive.Dead To Begin With.]]
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*** This means nothing. The Critic was just pushing Doug to bring him back. It's not like revealing Donnie as Critic was his only option. Critic only forced that upon him.
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If that's not a thinly-veiled hint that perhaps Doug isn't happy about canceling DemoReel, a show he said he'd been wanting to do since 2008, and going back to the Nostalgia Critic, a character he said he was over and done with, and is perhaps putting on a brave face for fans while he's hurting on the inside … it sure seems that way.
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If that's not a thinly-veiled hint that perhaps Doug isn't happy about canceling DemoReel, a show he said he'd been wanting to do since 2008, and going back to the Nostalgia Critic, a character he said he was over and done with, and is perhaps putting on a brave face for fans while he's hurting on the inside … it sure seems that way.way.
[[WMG: All the characters in Demo Reel were real - though not alive.]]
They were actually the souls of dead people who had many misfortunes and made a lot of wrong choices in their lives. For them, the purgatory was their chance to redeem themselves by dealing with their suffering and making the choices they should have made in life.
In reality, Tahoma never did reveal his father’s criminal connections or win the Pulitzer Prize. Instead, he become a member of his father’s gang and eventually died in prison, of a drug overdose, or of fatal injuries in a violent conflict with a rival gang or the police. In purgatory, he finally made the right choice and fulfilled his dreams of becoming a good screenwriter.
Rebecca’s Rape as Backstory, failure at finding any long-time jobs, and constant accusations of being stupid originally had a much more severe effect on her self-confidence and mental health. She sank into a deep and long depression that eventually made her take her own life. In this world, she got a much more positive outlook on life, realizing that it is possible-no matter how difficult it may be- to enjoy the good things life has to offer, even if you encounter huge setbacks.
Quinn was a member of the IRA who, after some tragic incident, left the organization and didn’t want to ever be associated with it again. He started drinking to deal with the pain, slipping into alcoholism, which eventually led to his death. He is ashamed of his past and wants to forget that he was ever a part of such an organization.
It’s pretty much canon that Carl was a member of the East-German Secret Police, and that he has killed and tortured several people and animals in the line of duty, giving him a lot of things he would have to redeem himself for. He has also been shown to regret at least some of these actions, making this even more likely. It’s even possible that he briefly realized that he was in a purgatory when he thought he was going to die in “Wreck It Ralph VS Angry Birds”…
->I will go down with my shipmates, a lifetime of killing all creatures, great and small finally atoned for.
The SWAG-members who left the organization in disgust originally stayed on until the bitter end, probably ending up in jail. Here, they made the right choice and jumped ship before it was too late.
Fabrizio’s stay in purgatory made him a lot friendlier, though he will still remain there until he gets off this whole mobster-thing.
When Donnie’s friends disappeared without a trace one by one, they were actually released from the purgatory and allowed to pass on, letting their souls finally be at peace. But they all decided to return for one final goodbye before they actually ascended, to give Donnie some closure. They now knew thier true nature, which made them appreciate the times they had together even more. They were also happy for Donnie, who wasn't actually dead and therefore could return to the world of the living. Finally becoming the popular entertainer he always wanted to be.
[[WMG: All the characters in Demo Reel were real - though not alive.]]
They were actually the souls of dead people who had many misfortunes and made a lot of wrong choices in their lives. For them, the purgatory was their chance to redeem themselves by dealing with their suffering and making the choices they should have made in life.
In reality, Tahoma never did reveal his father’s criminal connections or win the Pulitzer Prize. Instead, he become a member of his father’s gang and eventually died in prison, of a drug overdose, or of fatal injuries in a violent conflict with a rival gang or the police. In purgatory, he finally made the right choice and fulfilled his dreams of becoming a good screenwriter.
Rebecca’s Rape as Backstory, failure at finding any long-time jobs, and constant accusations of being stupid originally had a much more severe effect on her self-confidence and mental health. She sank into a deep and long depression that eventually made her take her own life. In this world, she got a much more positive outlook on life, realizing that it is possible-no matter how difficult it may be- to enjoy the good things life has to offer, even if you encounter huge setbacks.
Quinn was a member of the IRA who, after some tragic incident, left the organization and didn’t want to ever be associated with it again. He started drinking to deal with the pain, slipping into alcoholism, which eventually led to his death. He is ashamed of his past and wants to forget that he was ever a part of such an organization.
It’s pretty much canon that Carl was a member of the East-German Secret Police, and that he has killed and tortured several people and animals in the line of duty, giving him a lot of things he would have to redeem himself for. He has also been shown to regret at least some of these actions, making this even more likely. It’s even possible that he briefly realized that he was in a purgatory when he thought he was going to die in “Wreck It Ralph VS Angry Birds”…
->I will go down with my shipmates, a lifetime of killing all creatures, great and small finally atoned for.
The SWAG-members who left the organization in disgust originally stayed on until the bitter end, probably ending up in jail. Here, they made the right choice and jumped ship before it was too late.
Fabrizio’s stay in purgatory made him a lot friendlier, though he will still remain there until he gets off this whole mobster-thing.
When Donnie’s friends disappeared without a trace one by one, they were actually released from the purgatory and allowed to pass on, letting their souls finally be at peace. But they all decided to return for one final goodbye before they actually ascended, to give Donnie some closure. They now knew thier true nature, which made them appreciate the times they had together even more. They were also happy for Donnie, who wasn't actually dead and therefore could return to the world of the living. Finally becoming the popular entertainer he always wanted to be.
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* That's even more insulting to Donnie's tragic backstory.
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* That's even more insulting to Donnie's tragic backstory.backstory.
[[WMG: "The Review Must Go On" isn't a triumphant return at all]]
I thought it was odd that Doug chose to use "The Review Must Go On" instead of Sad Panda's "Hello I'm the Nostalgia Critic" song or something more upbeat and happy. "The Review Must Go On" was used at the end of the Critic's MoulinRouge review. It was funny and epic but ultimately a pretty sad song, about how the Critic is tired and exhausted of his reviews, one of many foreshadowing moments leading up to the end of the Nostalgia Critic in ToBoldlyFlee a few months later. It was used in reference to the use of the song "The Show Must Go On" in MoulinRouge, where Satine resolves to put on a charade, all the while knowing that she's dying. The original song, by {{Queen}}, despite sounding epic and uplifting, is actually about Freddie Murcury's struggle to keep performing despite dying of AIDS. The line "my make-up may be flaking / but my smile still stays on" is a reference to Murcury's use of makeup to conceal from the public the fact that he was seriously ill. He almost wasn't able to record the song because he was so debilitated.
If that's not a thinly-veiled hint that perhaps Doug isn't happy about canceling DemoReel, a show he said he'd been wanting to do since 2008, and going back to the Nostalgia Critic, a character he said he was over and done with, and is perhaps putting on a brave face for fans while he's hurting on the inside … it sure seems that way.
[[WMG: "The Review Must Go On" isn't a triumphant return at all]]
I thought it was odd that Doug chose to use "The Review Must Go On" instead of Sad Panda's "Hello I'm the Nostalgia Critic" song or something more upbeat and happy. "The Review Must Go On" was used at the end of the Critic's MoulinRouge review. It was funny and epic but ultimately a pretty sad song, about how the Critic is tired and exhausted of his reviews, one of many foreshadowing moments leading up to the end of the Nostalgia Critic in ToBoldlyFlee a few months later. It was used in reference to the use of the song "The Show Must Go On" in MoulinRouge, where Satine resolves to put on a charade, all the while knowing that she's dying. The original song, by {{Queen}}, despite sounding epic and uplifting, is actually about Freddie Murcury's struggle to keep performing despite dying of AIDS. The line "my make-up may be flaking / but my smile still stays on" is a reference to Murcury's use of makeup to conceal from the public the fact that he was seriously ill. He almost wasn't able to record the song because he was so debilitated.
If that's not a thinly-veiled hint that perhaps Doug isn't happy about canceling DemoReel, a show he said he'd been wanting to do since 2008, and going back to the Nostalgia Critic, a character he said he was over and done with, and is perhaps putting on a brave face for fans while he's hurting on the inside … it sure seems that way.
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** Doug kept saying at cons that he wanted more drama building up in everything until people asked him to stop. Rob also said before the pilot began, that a lot of the first script was lost, and he wrote the second by himself because Doug had cons. Plus they'd already written the third episode (WIR) before the second was pulled, and that also started the seeds of everyone's awful backstory.
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If Doug even needs another Nostalgia Critic hiatus we might get a second season of Demo Reel, but this time TheReveal would be that Donnie is actually Douchie Mc Nitpick learning a lesson about being a filmmaker. Would probably only happen if Doug's fandom, represented by Douchie, grows up, or if Doug wants to try to [[AnAesop teach them a lesson]] about what filmmakers have to go through.
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If Doug even needs another Nostalgia Critic hiatus we might get a second season of Demo Reel, but this time TheReveal would be that Donnie is actually Douchie Mc Nitpick learning a lesson about being a filmmaker. Would probably only happen if Doug's fandom, represented by Douchie, grows up, or if Doug wants to try to [[AnAesop teach them a lesson]] about what filmmakers have to go through.through.
* That's even more insulting to Donnie's tragic backstory.
* That's even more insulting to Donnie's tragic backstory.
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* The original Demo Reel concept was likely an honest attempt at something new as it revolved around Doug's love of parody sketch humour (see the Judge Dredd bit from ToBoldlyFlee), involved leasing studio space which is optimal for the large GreenScreen effects with props and sets (as seen in the first episode) and addressed Doug's worries about copyright crackdowns while still being based on popular films. After the first episode [[EpicFail went over like a lead balloon]] the series was [[ReTool re-tooled]] at which point this WMG may become valid.
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* The original Demo Reel concept was likely an honest attempt at something new as it revolved around Doug's love of parody sketch humour (see the Judge Dredd bit from ToBoldlyFlee), involved leasing studio space which is optimal for the large GreenScreen effects with props and sets (as seen in the first episode) and addressed Doug's worries about copyright crackdowns while still being based on popular films. After the first episode [[EpicFail went over like a lead balloon]] the series was [[ReTool re-tooled]] at which point this WMG may become valid.valid.
[[WMG: DemoReel may return with Douchie in purgatory as Donnie.]]
If Doug even needs another Nostalgia Critic hiatus we might get a second season of Demo Reel, but this time TheReveal would be that Donnie is actually Douchie Mc Nitpick learning a lesson about being a filmmaker. Would probably only happen if Doug's fandom, represented by Douchie, grows up, or if Doug wants to try to [[AnAesop teach them a lesson]] about what filmmakers have to go through.
[[WMG: DemoReel may return with Douchie in purgatory as Donnie.]]
If Doug even needs another Nostalgia Critic hiatus we might get a second season of Demo Reel, but this time TheReveal would be that Donnie is actually Douchie Mc Nitpick learning a lesson about being a filmmaker. Would probably only happen if Doug's fandom, represented by Douchie, grows up, or if Doug wants to try to [[AnAesop teach them a lesson]] about what filmmakers have to go through.
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** In "Blue Patches", Donnie ranted over people who were obsessed with the past and made it their lives, in short a TakeThat towards Critic. Plus, Critic was being played as evil and what was the point in making Donnie so tragic if you're just going to take that away.
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** In "Blue Patches", Donnie ranted over people who were obsessed with the past and made it their lives, in short a TakeThat towards Critic. Plus, Critic was being played as evil and what was the point in making Donnie so tragic if you're just going to take that away.away.
* The original Demo Reel concept was likely an honest attempt at something new as it revolved around Doug's love of parody sketch humour (see the Judge Dredd bit from ToBoldlyFlee), involved leasing studio space which is optimal for the large GreenScreen effects with props and sets (as seen in the first episode) and addressed Doug's worries about copyright crackdowns while still being based on popular films. After the first episode [[EpicFail went over like a lead balloon]] the series was [[ReTool re-tooled]] at which point this WMG may become valid.
* The original Demo Reel concept was likely an honest attempt at something new as it revolved around Doug's love of parody sketch humour (see the Judge Dredd bit from ToBoldlyFlee), involved leasing studio space which is optimal for the large GreenScreen effects with props and sets (as seen in the first episode) and addressed Doug's worries about copyright crackdowns while still being based on popular films. After the first episode [[EpicFail went over like a lead balloon]] the series was [[ReTool re-tooled]] at which point this WMG may become valid.
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** The Critic character straight-up says that "we already know what Demo Reel was this whole time. What Donny was this whole time. You were even starting to write it" twenty-one minutes into "The Review Must Go On".
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** The Critic character straight-up says that "we already know what Demo Reel was this whole time. What Donny was this whole time. You were even starting to write it" twenty-one minutes into "The Review Must Go On".On".
** In "Blue Patches", Donnie ranted over people who were obsessed with the past and made it their lives, in short a TakeThat towards Critic. Plus, Critic was being played as evil and what was the point in making Donnie so tragic if you're just going to take that away.
** In "Blue Patches", Donnie ranted over people who were obsessed with the past and made it their lives, in short a TakeThat towards Critic. Plus, Critic was being played as evil and what was the point in making Donnie so tragic if you're just going to take that away.
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This isn\'t the main article, you can reply directly here. That\'s why it\'s Wild Mass Guessing. Just removing the comment is rude.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.thing.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
*Jossed already. Doug kept saying they had new ideas and it'll be like a sitcom with seasons and even Lewis and Lindsay were going to show as up as non-tgwtg characters.
**Doug lies a lot.
**He sounded ridiculously excited saying all that. And JO said it wasn't planned at all.
**The Critic character straight-up says that "we already know what Demo Reel was this whole time. What Donny was this whole time. You were even starting to write it" twenty-one minutes into "The Review Must Go On".
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
*Jossed already. Doug kept saying they had new ideas and it'll be like a sitcom with seasons and even Lewis and Lindsay were going to show as up as non-tgwtg characters.
**Doug lies a lot.
**He sounded ridiculously excited saying all that. And JO said it wasn't planned at all.
**The Critic character straight-up says that "we already know what Demo Reel was this whole time. What Donny was this whole time. You were even starting to write it" twenty-one minutes into "The Review Must Go On".
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He sounded ridiculously excited saying all that. And JO said it wasn\'t planned at all.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.thing.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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Doug lies a lot.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
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Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.thing.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.years.
[[WMG: The Critic (being basically a god now) will offer Donnie a HappyEnding...Donnie will refuse.]]
Ok, this theory actually has some practical reasoning behind it: Doug is in an awkward position. He already [[BrokenBase broke his base once]], and trying to pull the AuthorsSavingThrow of the century. And the forums are making it quite clear that there are still plenty of people out there who want more Demo Reel, so Doug can't risk alienating those people, thus he MUST continue Demo Reel in some form. But, how to do this if Donnie was just the Critic the whole time?
Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
[[WMG: The Critic (being basically a god now) will offer Donnie a HappyEnding...Donnie will refuse.]]
Ok, this theory actually has some practical reasoning behind it: Doug is in an awkward position. He already [[BrokenBase broke his base once]], and trying to pull the AuthorsSavingThrow of the century. And the forums are making it quite clear that there are still plenty of people out there who want more Demo Reel, so Doug can't risk alienating those people, thus he MUST continue Demo Reel in some form. But, how to do this if Donnie was just the Critic the whole time?
Simple: Donnie manifests himself through his will to continue existing, and the critic, trying to get him out of the way, offers him an independent existence as a major film director...but Donnie realizes that it would all be meaningless to just have it all handed to him. So, instead, the Critic "sets him free." He becomes an independent entity, free to continue Demo Reel, no longer as a mere extension of the Critic, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything no longer bound by unrealistic expectations to try to be something he's not]]. And, from there, DR continues as a once-every-few-months thing.
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Jossed already. Doug kept saying they had new ideas and it\'ll be like a sitcom with seasons and even Lewis and Lindsay were going to show as up as non-tgwtg characters.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.years.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
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Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.years.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
[[WMG: DemoReel was always planned to be a short aside.]]
Writer! Doug was established as another level of fiction in ToBoldlyFlee with the story bleeding into his world, and the other producers shown also play exagerated versions of themselves. Therefore what ''his'' creative struggles and motives are don't necesarily have any connection to the real Doug Walker.
Further backing that up is that frankly, it was over. The characters had resolved all their interpersonal issues and come to terms with their lives; it would have been a completely different kind of story. The bitterness and infighting were what drove the drama and humor, with evryone a big happy group there was nothing to do but watch a group of friends make the genuinely best movies they can, which would get old really fast.
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We already know that the Nostalgia Critic wants to kill Demo Reel...but I don't think Donnie is so eager to die just yet...I think that in the end, Doug Walker will make room for Demo Reel once a month, or just "when its done." This could lead to a running gag where Donnie tries to derail NC to make more room for DR.
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We already know that the Nostalgia Critic wants to kill Demo Reel...but I don't think Donnie is so eager to die just yet...I think that in the end, Doug Walker will make room for Demo Reel once a month, or just "when its done." This could lead to a running gag where Donnie tries to derail NC to make more room for DR.DR.
[[WMG: Something went too wrong in the PlotHole]]
Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
[[WMG: Something went too wrong in the PlotHole]]
Just last month, Critic was helping Harvey Finevoice getting over his anger towards Linkara, and now he's willing to have Doug go through a breakdown to get himself back in the limelight. An AtopTheFourthWall villain poisoned his mind, and made him forget that he hated his job for years.
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When Doug talked to the Critic, he really was talking to him. The Nostalgia Critic had gotten tired of guarding the Plot Hole, and used its powers to send messages to both Donnie and to Doug in the real world, trying to force his creator to write him out of the Hole and give him his show back. He wanted Demo Reel out of the way, to make sure that his show became Doug's number one priority. (Note that the ways he contacts them is similar to the way Ma-Ti contacted the Critic in To Boldly Flee, with the repeated messages, the voices in their heads, and the general feeling of having something they had to do.)
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When Doug talked to the Critic, he really was talking to him. The Nostalgia Critic had gotten tired of guarding the Plot Hole, and used its powers to send messages to both Donnie and to Doug in the real world, trying to force his creator to write him out of the Hole and give him his show back. He wanted Demo Reel out of the way, to make sure that his show became Doug's number one priority. (Note that the ways he contacts them is similar to the way Ma-Ti contacted the Critic in To Boldly Flee, with the repeated messages, the voices in their heads, and the general feeling of having something they had to do.)do
[[WMG: Donnie will pop up in the Life of Timothy Green Review.]]
We already know that the Nostalgia Critic wants to kill Demo Reel...but I don't think Donnie is so eager to die just yet...I think that in the end, Doug Walker will make room for Demo Reel once a month, or just "when its done." This could lead to a running gag where Donnie tries to derail NC to make more room for DR.
[[WMG: Donnie will pop up in the Life of Timothy Green Review.]]
We already know that the Nostalgia Critic wants to kill Demo Reel...but I don't think Donnie is so eager to die just yet...I think that in the end, Doug Walker will make room for Demo Reel once a month, or just "when its done." This could lead to a running gag where Donnie tries to derail NC to make more room for DR.
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Doug (the actual Doug) seemed to be struggling with what to write next, so that could probably mean some sort of symbolic connection to why he might stop doing Demo Reel.
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Doug (the actual Doug) seemed to be struggling with what to write next, so that could probably mean some sort of symbolic connection to why he might stop doing Demo Reel.Reel.
[[WMG: Neither Doug Walker nor Donnie was hallucinating in The Review Must Go On]]
When Doug talked to the Critic, he really was talking to him. The Nostalgia Critic had gotten tired of guarding the Plot Hole, and used its powers to send messages to both Donnie and to Doug in the real world, trying to force his creator to write him out of the Hole and give him his show back. He wanted Demo Reel out of the way, to make sure that his show became Doug's number one priority. (Note that the ways he contacts them is similar to the way Ma-Ti contacted the Critic in To Boldly Flee, with the repeated messages, the voices in their heads, and the general feeling of having something they had to do.)
[[WMG: Neither Doug Walker nor Donnie was hallucinating in The Review Must Go On]]
When Doug talked to the Critic, he really was talking to him. The Nostalgia Critic had gotten tired of guarding the Plot Hole, and used its powers to send messages to both Donnie and to Doug in the real world, trying to force his creator to write him out of the Hole and give him his show back. He wanted Demo Reel out of the way, to make sure that his show became Doug's number one priority. (Note that the ways he contacts them is similar to the way Ma-Ti contacted the Critic in To Boldly Flee, with the repeated messages, the voices in their heads, and the general feeling of having something they had to do.)
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*** '''''ALL JOSSED!!!!!!!!!'''''
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It's fairly obvious to everyone that he flirts a lot, and judging by pre-nup talk, their relationship was always rocky. So he needed some affection, got drunk and slept with someone (his reaction after seeing Egoraptor on the other bed instead of Uncle Yo suggests this has happened before), ruining her faith in him. She gives him money so he can do whatever he wants - innuendo slightly intended - without bothering her, and has no patience for "I love you"s.
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It's fairly obvious to everyone that he flirts a lot, and judging by pre-nup talk, their relationship was always rocky. So he needed some affection, got drunk and slept with someone (his reaction after seeing Egoraptor on the other bed instead of Uncle Yo suggests this has happened before), ruining her faith in him. She gives him money so he can do whatever he wants - innuendo slightly intended - without bothering her, and has no patience for "I love you"s.you"s.
[[WMG: If Demo Reel ends, it's not because of the fanbase, but because of writer's block]]
Doug (the actual Doug) seemed to be struggling with what to write next, so that could probably mean some sort of symbolic connection to why he might stop doing Demo Reel.
[[WMG: If Demo Reel ends, it's not because of the fanbase, but because of writer's block]]
Doug (the actual Doug) seemed to be struggling with what to write next, so that could probably mean some sort of symbolic connection to why he might stop doing Demo Reel.
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His dad had to come back from deserting his wife to look after him, and did nothing to stop his child getting abused by complete strangers on the street. Other family members very likely did nothing to help either, so when his fiancee comes along with an unfair pre-nup agreement, they lept at the chance to exclude him. It would be a darker version of Tacoma's backstory, and you might as well add to the already-DarkAndTroubledPast.
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His dad had to come back from deserting his wife to look after him, and did nothing to stop his child getting abused by complete strangers on the street. Other family members very likely did nothing to help either, so when his fiancee comes along with an unfair pre-nup agreement, they lept at the chance to exclude him. It would be a darker version of Tacoma's backstory, and you might as well add to the already-DarkAndTroubledPast.already-DarkAndTroubledPast.
[[WMG: Donnie had an affair, ruining his marriage]]
It's fairly obvious to everyone that he flirts a lot, and judging by pre-nup talk, their relationship was always rocky. So he needed some affection, got drunk and slept with someone (his reaction after seeing Egoraptor on the other bed instead of Uncle Yo suggests this has happened before), ruining her faith in him. She gives him money so he can do whatever he wants - innuendo slightly intended - without bothering her, and has no patience for "I love you"s.
[[WMG: Donnie had an affair, ruining his marriage]]
It's fairly obvious to everyone that he flirts a lot, and judging by pre-nup talk, their relationship was always rocky. So he needed some affection, got drunk and slept with someone (his reaction after seeing Egoraptor on the other bed instead of Uncle Yo suggests this has happened before), ruining her faith in him. She gives him money so he can do whatever he wants - innuendo slightly intended - without bothering her, and has no patience for "I love you"s.
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.kidnapped.
[[WMG: Donnie's family blames him for his mother's death]]
His dad had to come back from deserting his wife to look after him, and did nothing to stop his child getting abused by complete strangers on the street. Other family members very likely did nothing to help either, so when his fiancee comes along with an unfair pre-nup agreement, they lept at the chance to exclude him. It would be a darker version of Tacoma's backstory, and you might as well add to the already-DarkAndTroubledPast.
[[WMG: Donnie's family blames him for his mother's death]]
His dad had to come back from deserting his wife to look after him, and did nothing to stop his child getting abused by complete strangers on the street. Other family members very likely did nothing to help either, so when his fiancee comes along with an unfair pre-nup agreement, they lept at the chance to exclude him. It would be a darker version of Tacoma's backstory, and you might as well add to the already-DarkAndTroubledPast.
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Not all of \"us\" are Fan Dumb and it\'s directed at the sorta people who made Mara Wilson\'s life hell. ...like Critic.
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK!''' '''[[TomatoInTheMirror WE ARE TO BLAME.]]'''
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK!''' '''[[TomatoInTheMirror WE ARE TO BLAME.]]'''
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK!''' '''[[TomatoInTheMirror WE ARE TO BLAME.]]'''kidnapped.
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK!''' '''[[TomatoInTheMirror WE ARE TO BLAME.]]'''
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Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK! WE ARE TO BLAME.'''
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Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK! '''CHECK!''' '''[[TomatoInTheMirror WE ARE TO BLAME.''']]'''
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Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. ''Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel??'' '''CHECK! WE ARE TO BLAME.'''
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Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. ''Doesn't Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel??'' feel?? Check. ''Would gladly settle for nothing to change and won't accept the actor's life moving on?!?'' '''CHECK! WE ARE TO BLAME.'''
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.kidnapped.
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. ''Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel??'' '''CHECK! WE ARE TO BLAME.'''
[[WMG: The {{Yandere}} family..... [[TakeThat is us.]]]]
Loved watching bad movies so they can laugh at how marvelously awful the actors are? Check. Obsessive over it to the point where they make it their lives? Check. Watches them over and over again all day and invite their friends to see them too? Check. ''Doesn't care about how the actors themselves may feel??'' '''CHECK! WE ARE TO BLAME.'''
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. [[Although the Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
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Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. [[Although the Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
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[[WMG: Donnie is a [[TimeLord Time Lord]]]]
Don't pretend you didn't see this coming. Why would he look like he just got back from the Amazon if the house he escaped from was in the US? How long were Tacoma, Rebecca, and Quinn out for? I doubt that he could got to Africa and back in that time. [[Although the Also, he picked up Carl in his TARDIS and that's why he's back at the studio at the end of Blue Patches. And that also explains how he was able to talk to [[BumReviews Chester]] about the Christmas collaboration when he was kidnapped.
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** [[spoiler: Confirmed in episode 5]]
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New theory
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed]]Confirmed]]
[[WMG: Mrs. DuPre is (a version of) Mara Wilson]]
In episode 3, Mara Wilson cameoed as Donnie's wife during the phone call. Knowing what we know about Donnie after episode 5, I believe that Mrs. DuPre IS Mara and not just a randomly named character (eg Heidi Thurman[-DuPre]). Of course, this Mara is a different version of the one already established in the Awesomeverse. Mara and Donnie have something major in common: They were world-famous child stars. While filming their own movies (Matilda, Jingle Sells), their mothers die. They soldier on but their coping is on opposite paths. Donnie and Mara are cast in the same movie at some point after the Phantom Menace equivalent is released, fall in love, marry, and have kids. However, Donnie still hasnt gotten over the scars of child stardom and his mother's death. Mara and Donnie drift apart and Mara leaves him as Donnie starts up Demo Reel. Because Mara has no interest in returning to acting regularly, Demo Reel cant be used to rekindle the marriage.
[[WMG: Mrs. DuPre is (a version of) Mara Wilson]]
In episode 3, Mara Wilson cameoed as Donnie's wife during the phone call. Knowing what we know about Donnie after episode 5, I believe that Mrs. DuPre IS Mara and not just a randomly named character (eg Heidi Thurman[-DuPre]). Of course, this Mara is a different version of the one already established in the Awesomeverse. Mara and Donnie have something major in common: They were world-famous child stars. While filming their own movies (Matilda, Jingle Sells), their mothers die. They soldier on but their coping is on opposite paths. Donnie and Mara are cast in the same movie at some point after the Phantom Menace equivalent is released, fall in love, marry, and have kids. However, Donnie still hasnt gotten over the scars of child stardom and his mother's death. Mara and Donnie drift apart and Mara leaves him as Donnie starts up Demo Reel. Because Mara has no interest in returning to acting regularly, Demo Reel cant be used to rekindle the marriage.
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the other bit wasn\'t needed
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*** Partially Jossed, but this theory would've been better.Jossed.
