History WMG / BlackButler

22nd Sep '17 4:18:46 PM M4r4
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** The sixth episode of Book of Circus makes it pretty clear that he did go the full Monty with Beast. Doggy style, no less.
** It was standard intercourse on both occasions, another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.

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** The sixth episode of Book of Circus makes it pretty clear in the silhouette shot that he did go the full Monty with penetrate Beast. Doggy style, no less.
** It was standard intercourse on both occasions, but another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*.*cough*cough*[[PowerPerversionPotential he can summon tendrils]]*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.
17th Sep '17 4:57:14 PM nombretomado
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* Oh, let's count the signs. First, he's an IronButtMonkey who, somehow, still has a high position. Second, his constantly [[TheKlutz falling over anything and everything]] is practically a physical SuspiciouslySpecificDenial in and of itself; the man basically screams "Hey everybody! [[ObfuscatingStupidity I'm stupid and follow the rules without question!]] I can't walk five feet without nearly killing myself! [[WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers IGNORE ME]]!" Then there's the fact that he's fallen down the stairs at least once, and had it been a little less [[SlapstickComedy slapstick]], [[MajorInjuryUnderreaction would've probably snapped his neck]]. A human ''could not'' have survived that. Finally ''and most importantly'', [[GeniusBonus his name]]. [[ArsGoetia Look it up]].

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* Oh, let's count the signs. First, he's an IronButtMonkey who, somehow, still has a high position. Second, his constantly [[TheKlutz falling over anything and everything]] is practically a physical SuspiciouslySpecificDenial in and of itself; the man basically screams "Hey everybody! [[ObfuscatingStupidity I'm stupid and follow the rules without question!]] I can't walk five feet without nearly killing myself! [[WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers IGNORE ME]]!" Then there's the fact that he's fallen down the stairs at least once, and had it been a little less [[SlapstickComedy slapstick]], [[MajorInjuryUnderreaction would've probably snapped his neck]]. A human ''could not'' have survived that. Finally ''and most importantly'', [[GeniusBonus his name]]. [[ArsGoetia [[Literature/ArsGoetia Look it up]].
23rd Aug '17 11:54:50 AM XFllo
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** While this troper is 90% certain it was standard intercourse on both occasions, another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.

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** While this troper is 90% certain it It was standard intercourse on both occasions, another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.



Considering Jeremy's extensive knowledge about dead bodies, criminology, the Phantomhive estate, and cooking, it's not that far out there to think that [[spoiler: Sebastian]] may have just switched bodies since we all know he can't be killed for real due to PlotArmor. Maybe he switched bodies on purpose under Ciel's orders in case they actually did murder the guests or maybe the killer got the upper hand and he didn't want to resurrect himself in front of them so he was forced to come back as another person. In addition, in Chapter 45 Finny says he has the odd feeling that he can trust Jeremy. There's also Jeremy's creepy smile and impeccable manners that are far too similar to [[spoiler: Sebastian's]] to be a coincidence. Although this troper will be very upset if her theory is true and we will no longer get to stare at [[spoiler: Sebastian's]] gorgeous former body.

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Considering Jeremy's extensive knowledge about dead bodies, criminology, the Phantomhive estate, and cooking, it's not that far out there to think that [[spoiler: Sebastian]] may have just switched bodies since we all know he can't be killed for real due to PlotArmor. Maybe he switched bodies on purpose under Ciel's orders in case they actually did murder the guests or maybe the killer got the upper hand and he didn't want to resurrect himself in front of them so he was forced to come back as another person. In addition, in Chapter 45 Finny says he has the odd feeling that he can trust Jeremy. There's also Jeremy's creepy smile and impeccable manners that are far too similar to [[spoiler: Sebastian's]] to be a coincidence. Although this troper will be very upset if her theory is true and we will no longer get to stare at [[spoiler: Sebastian's]] gorgeous former body.



This is rather more on the "Wild" side of Wild Mass Guessing, however, This Troper's guess stands.

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This is rather more on the "Wild" side of Wild Mass Guessing, however, This Troper's guess stands.Guessing.



* This troper has a similar theory, adding to it that Queen Victoria's butlers (or Earl Grey, at least) are actually angels. It would also explain their general [[WhiteHairedPrettyBoy white]] appearance while Sebastian, a demon, leans towards [[TallDarkAndHandsome all black.]] Atthe very least, those gus abilities are far beyond any human, even a superhuman like Agni. There's also the blatant distrust that Earl Grey seems to feel towards Sebastian during the Murder arc: it could be because he can somehow sense his demonic nature.

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* This troper has a A similar theory, adding to it that Queen Victoria's butlers (or Earl Grey, at least) are actually angels. It would also explain their general [[WhiteHairedPrettyBoy white]] white appearance while Sebastian, a demon, leans towards [[TallDarkAndHandsome all black.]] Atthe very least, those gus abilities are far beyond any human, even a superhuman like Agni. There's also the blatant distrust that Earl Grey seems to feel towards Sebastian during the Murder arc: it could be because he can somehow sense his demonic nature.
19th Aug '17 10:21:33 AM catmuto
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed. Rachel Phantomhive gave birth to twins. The Ciel we've been following refers to himself as merely being "Ciel's replacement". A name has yet to be mentioned.]]
14th Aug '17 7:57:00 AM SeptimusHeap
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[[WMG: Baron Kelvin and the former Lord Trancy are a TakeThatAudience and Toboso isn't really a {{Shotacon}}]]
It's no secret that Yana Toboso at least has an AuthorAppeal for [[YaoiGuys Yaoi]], however has stated in several interviews that Sebastian X Ciel is a case of MisaimedFandom and that it's not true love especially since demon or not a thirteen-year-old is rather...{{Squick}}y to some people. Enter Baron Kelvin and former Lord Trancy from the anime. Both are middle aged men that are rather repulsive-looking (with Kelvin being this way due to plastic surgery caused by body dysmorphia) who are also [[PaedoHunt pedophiles]]. Likely a jab at how people seem to accept {{Shotacon}} relationships with older men due to said older men being usually very attractive. Lord Trancy takes this even further by not only being a pedophile ,but had an entire Harem of young boys as [[SexSlave Sex Slaves]] and it's not completely out of the question that '''[[ParentalIncest Jim Macken actually is Alois]]''', especially since he still had to pretend to be him as a cover story.

So yeah, could be wrong, but it is likely that they were made as an attack on YaoiFangirl's Double Standards when it comes to Shotacon and show how messed up it would be in real life.

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[[WMG: Baron Kelvin and the former Lord Trancy are a TakeThatAudience and Toboso isn't really a {{Shotacon}}]]
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It's no secret that Yana Toboso at least has an AuthorAppeal for [[YaoiGuys Yaoi]], however has stated in several interviews that Sebastian X Ciel is a case of MisaimedFandom and that it's not true love especially since demon or not a thirteen-year-old is rather...{{Squick}}y to some people. Enter Baron Kelvin and former Lord Trancy from the anime. Both are middle aged men that are rather repulsive-looking (with Kelvin being this way due to plastic surgery caused by body dysmorphia) who are also [[PaedoHunt pedophiles]]. Likely a jab at how people seem to accept {{Shotacon}} questionable relationships with older men due to said older men being usually very attractive. Lord Trancy takes this even further by not only being a pedophile ,but had an entire Harem of young boys as [[SexSlave Sex Slaves]] and it's not completely out of the question that '''[[ParentalIncest Jim Macken actually is Alois]]''', especially since he still had to pretend to be him as a cover story.

So yeah, could be wrong, but it is likely that they were made as an attack on YaoiFangirl's Double Standards when it comes to Shotacon paedophilia and show how messed up it would be in real life.
10th Jul '17 2:13:52 PM Sugarp1e1
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[[WMG: The Ciel "imposter" that appeared in chapter 129 is the real Ciel.]]

Adding to the above theory, the Ciel we'be been following throughout the series is his twin brother, who took his identity after he was seemingly killed by the cult. Our Ciel's real name is either Sol or Soleil (meaning "ground" and "sun" respectivly in French).



All the hints of of Sebastian's demonic appearance seem to be leading up to more of a FashionVictimVillain than an EldritchAbomination (seriously, heels, what might be mascara, and FemmeFatalons?) but is actually playing on the assumption of the readers who have gotten used to all the HoYay that gender means anything to Sebastian; unlike Grelle, who's transsexual and actually is mentally female, Sebastian elected to GenderBender herself a) ForTheLulz (guys still want her even as a man, something that amuses her to no end, and now women are swooning over her) and b) Ceil saw what she used to look like and seeing her in a male form possibly modeled after ''his father'' is meant to make him uncomfortable; Sebastian's not going to be a servant for god knows how long without SOMETHING to make that less pleasant for the one giving orders, after all.

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All the hints of of Sebastian's demonic appearance seem to be leading up to more of a FashionVictimVillain than an EldritchAbomination (seriously, heels, what might be mascara, and FemmeFatalons?) but is actually playing on the assumption of the readers who have gotten used to all the HoYay that gender means anything to Sebastian; unlike Grelle, who's transsexual and actually is mentally female, Sebastian elected to GenderBender herself a) ForTheLulz (guys still want her even as a man, something that amuses her to no end, and now women are swooning over her) *her) and b) Ceil saw what she used to look like and seeing her in a male form possibly modeled after ''his father'' is meant to make him uncomfortable; Sebastian's not going to be a servant for god knows how long without SOMETHING to make that less pleasant for the one giving orders, after all.




[[The Ciel "imposter" that appeared in the Blue Cult arc is the real Ciel.]]

The Ciel we'be been following throughout the series is his twin brother, who took his identity after he was seemingly killed by the cult. Our Ciel's real name is either Sol or Soleil (meaning "ground" and "sun" respectivly in French).
10th Jul '17 1:41:15 PM Sugarp1e1
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[[The Ciel "imposter" that appeared in the Blue Cult arc is the real Ciel.]]

The Ciel we'be been following throughout the series is his twin brother, who took his identity after he was seemingly killed by the cult. Our Ciel's real name is either Sol or Soleil (meaning "ground" and "sun" respectivly in French).
26th Jun '17 6:21:06 PM nombretomado
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I saw this basic Sebastian = Malphas suggestion elsewhere on the Internet; here is a version with more detail. I shall compare text from the rather terse article from TheOtherWiki with how Sebastian has appeared in ''Manga/BlackButler''.

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I saw this basic Sebastian = Malphas suggestion elsewhere on the Internet; here is a version with more detail. I shall compare text from the rather terse article from TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki with how Sebastian has appeared in ''Manga/BlackButler''.
16th Jun '17 12:06:13 AM ayano
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* [[spoiler:The "identical twin" part seems to have been confirmed as of chapter 129, at least.]]
4th Jun '17 4:46:46 PM M4r4
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* Given his status among fangirls this would be quite the hilarious revelation.



** Fangirls would like to think that he just fingered them. His scene with Beast is rather ambiguous, but it's pretty obvious that he at least had sex with the nun. Also, all over Kuro fandom, Sebastian ''always'' has sex fully clothed. I'm pretty sure that it's canon that he doesn't like being naked around humans, so there's that, too. [[spoiler: It is canon, as quote "However, the first time in my long life as a demon... that I ended up showing humans such a humiliating state. [they were looking for Ciel's master key, so they de-robed him.] while explaining to Wordsmith about the solution of the Phantomhive Murder Mystery, in chapter 49.]]
** The sixth episode of Book of Circus makes it pretty plain that he did go the full Monty with Beast. Doggy style, no less.
** While this troper is 90% certain it was normal intercourse on both occasions, though another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.

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** Fangirls would like to think that he just fingered them. His scene with Beast is rather ambiguous, but it's pretty obvious that he at least had penetrative sex with the nun. Also, all over Kuro fandom, Sebastian ''always'' has sex fully clothed. I'm pretty sure that it's canon that he doesn't like being naked around humans, so there's that, too. [[spoiler: It is canon, as quote "However, the first time in my long life as a demon... that I ended up showing humans such a humiliating state. [they were looking for Ciel's master key, so they de-robed him.] while explaining to Wordsmith about the solution of the Phantomhive Murder Mystery, in chapter 49.]]
** The sixth episode of Book of Circus makes it pretty plain clear that he did go the full Monty with Beast. Doggy style, no less.
** While this troper is 90% certain it was normal standard intercourse on both occasions, though another alternative is that he might have incorporated some supernatural means into his encounters *cough*cough*tendrils of darkness*cough*cough*. Again, it's all up to the viewer's interpretation.
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