History WMG / BeautyAndTheBeast

18th Jun '17 8:26:54 PM yugi195
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\n* Perhaps it's [[Disney/{{Tangled}} The Tales of Flynnigan Rider]].
3rd Jun '17 1:08:00 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Another [[{{FridgeBrilliance}} fridgy]] guess: the reason Belle knew she couldn't change Gaston or Beast through ThePowerOfLove? She was [[{{GenreSavvy}} an avid reader and quite intelligent]], and realized the inherent flaws in such a fairy tale-like situation she found herself in.

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* Another [[{{FridgeBrilliance}} [[FridgeBrilliance fridgy]] guess: the reason Belle knew she couldn't change Gaston or Beast through ThePowerOfLove? She was [[{{GenreSavvy}} [[GenreSavvy an avid reader reader]] and quite intelligent]], intelligent, and realized the inherent flaws in such a fairy tale-like situation she found herself in.



* The sorceress was GenreSavvy and knew the curse-breaking event wouldn't occur until the very last moment anyway so she didn't feel that she needed to actually include the condition.

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* The sorceress was GenreSavvy and knew the curse-breaking event wouldn't occur until the very last moment anyway so she didn't feel that she needed to actually include the condition.
2nd May '17 3:22:39 PM AreYouTyler
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Just a thought concerning the hot topic over whether or not Belle is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Everyone is missing that Beast is largely resigned to his fate, he and his remaining servants pretty much no longer even remember 'Adam' as his name and he constantly focuses on the rose. Stockholm Syndrome is not just romantic, it is to allow the captor to "win" and control their fate.

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Just a thought concerning the hot topic over whether or not Belle is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Everyone is missing that Beast is largely resigned to his fate, he and his remaining servants pretty much no longer even remember 'Adam' as his name and he constantly focuses on the rose. Stockholm Syndrome is not just romantic, it is to allow the captor to "win" and control their fate.
26th Apr '17 3:05:07 AM CthonisPrincess
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* Unlikely because Furries are people who dress up in animal costumes and take on the persona of that animal. They also have 'fursonas' identities they use in the Furry community. Sometimes full-on sex occurs, but often two or more furries engage in a behavior called "yiffing" (dry-humping or other sexualized interactions). Besides she wasn't disappointed but instead is rather confused as to what had just occurred (He just died and turned into a human, and besides she has absolutely no problem with kissing him).




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* '''Jossed.''' In a recent interview for the live action movie, the Beast/Prince's actor Dan Stevens refers to the Prince as 'Prince Adam'. Since Dan cannot promote the movie under false information, it has been unofficially confirmed that the Prince's name is Adam.
25th Apr '17 4:08:29 PM system
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25th Apr '17 3:57:48 AM CthonisPrincess
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[[WMG: Belle is a furry]]
Watch her face after the Beast transforms. Doesn't she look a little disappointed? Reportedly, in an early draft of the script, she ''did'' ask the now-human Beast if he'd ever considered growing a beard...
* Unlikely because Furries are people who dress up in animal costumes and take on the persona of that animal. They also have 'fursonas' identities they use in the Furry community. Sometimes full-on sex occurs, but often two or more furries engage in a behavior called "yiffing" (dry-humping or other sexualized interactions). Besides she wasn't disappointed but instead is rather confused as to what had just occurred (He just died and turned into a human).



[[WMG: Gaston and the Beast are the same person.]]

That person is [[Franchise/DoctorWho the Doctor]]. Belle was going to be his companion after he regenerated from the Beast into the Prince. He's also Gaston because that was him in the past under the effect of a Chameleon Arch. It's wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.

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[[WMG: Gaston and the Beast are the same person.]]

That person is [[Franchise/DoctorWho the Doctor]]. Belle was going to be his companion after he regenerated from the Beast into the Prince. He's also Gaston because that was him in the past under the effect of a Chameleon Arch. It's wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.



[[WMG: Belle and Maurice are Jewish.]]
This covers a couple of plot holes, such as why they seem to be amongst the few educated townsfolk, why they're so ostracized and why Belle's name is so on-the-nose. Her real name likely isn't Belle, but rather a Hebrew name that translates into "beauty", such as "Nechama", which wouldn't work in public in such an anti-Semitic climate.
** It's quite possible, considering that France has a history as a pretty anti-Semitic country (no more so than some parts of Europe we could name, but history and historical novels do mention this, and modern-day France has experienced quite a spate of anti-Semitism as well). In addition, Belle is highly educated, which is unusual for both her time period and her gender. But throughout history, education has remained extremely important to the Jewish people. It's quite possible Maurice was a benevolent [[EducationMama Education Papa]], which is how Belle got her love of reading.

On the other hand, the sequel does focus on Belle celebrating Christmas.

Additionally, if this theory were to be true, it would give the story a whole new layer. One could make the argument that parts of it serve as a CallBack to the story of Esther--a beautiful woman, yanked from her home (where she was raised by an older man who functioned as a single parent) to be the captive and queen of a hot-tempered ruler. In Belle's case, there is no Haman, per se, but Gaston functions somewhat in that role when he and the villagers try to kill the Beast/subdue and harm the servants. Regardless of the Haman issue, Belle still serves as an instrument of freedom just like Esther, and part of her reward is royal status.

[[WMG: The Entrantress returned, and, pleased with the Prince's developed character, but also noting Belle, gave him the ability to shapeshift back into the Beast.]]



[[WMG: Belle and Maurice live in the village due to the death of Belle's mother.]]

Belle cameos in ''The Hunchback of Notre Dame.'' As mentioned on the WMG page for that film, it's possible that she and her family once lived in Paris, but Frollo expelled them because he considered Maurice's inventions and Belle's intelligence dangerous. In addition to this, it could be that Belle's mother was considered dangerous as well. Maybe Frollo lusted after her the same way he did Esmeralda. Or maybe Belle's mother was a healer, but Frollo considered her herbal remedies "witchcraft." At any rate, Frollo somehow caused or exacerbated the death of Belle's mother, so she and Maurice got out of Dodge, only to sadly find they were still outcasts in the new village.

[[WMG: Belle's family is Protestant.]]

If this is true, and if it is also true they once lived in Frollo's Paris, they would have been forced to flee because they would be considered anti-Catholic. To add, Belle seems too educated to buy into a version of any religion that says scaring and oppressing people is the way to gain control over them.

[[WMG: Belle knows about Quasimodo.]]

It's possible that she was a very little girl when Quasimodo was born. She may have grown up hearing about Quasimodo, the same way the children around Clopin's performance stall did. Naturally, she and Quasi never would have met, but she would have thoroughly appreciated his story. This may have stirred compassion in her--a compassion that became deeper as she got older and was later bestowed on the Beast, who looks scary but is truly a prince.

[[WMG: Belle has a young aunt or an older cousin who is her doppelganger.]]

If nothing else, this explains her ''Hunchback of Notre Dame'' cameo--notice we see her adult character in that brief scene. It's not really Belle--it's a relative who remained in Paris. Or...

[[WMG: The "Belle cameo" is really Belle's mother.]]

As noted, Frollo either caused or exacerbated her death.

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[[WMG: Belle and Maurice live in the village due to the death of Belle's mother.]]

Belle cameos in ''The Hunchback of Notre Dame.'' As mentioned on the WMG page for that film, it's possible that she and her family once lived in Paris, but Frollo expelled them because he considered Maurice's inventions and Belle's intelligence dangerous. In addition to this, it could be that Belle's mother was considered dangerous as well. Maybe Frollo lusted after her the same way he did Esmeralda. Or maybe Belle's mother was a healer, but Frollo considered her herbal remedies "witchcraft." At any rate, Frollo somehow caused or exacerbated the death of Belle's mother, so she and Maurice got out of Dodge, only to sadly find they were still outcasts in the new village.

[[WMG: Belle's family is Protestant.]]

If this is true, and if it is also true they once lived in Frollo's Paris, they would have been forced to flee because they would be considered anti-Catholic. To add, Belle seems too educated to buy into a version of any religion that says scaring and oppressing people is the way to gain control over them.

[[WMG: Belle knows about Quasimodo.]]

It's possible that she was a very little girl when Quasimodo was born. She may have grown up hearing about Quasimodo, the same way the children around Clopin's performance stall did. Naturally, she and Quasi never would have met, but she would have thoroughly appreciated his story. This may have stirred compassion in her--a compassion that became deeper as she got older and was later bestowed on the Beast, who looks scary but is truly a prince.

[[WMG: Belle has a young aunt or an older cousin who is her doppelganger.]]

If nothing else, this explains her ''Hunchback of Notre Dame'' cameo--notice we see her adult character in that brief scene. It's not really Belle--it's a relative who remained in Paris. Or...

[[WMG: The "Belle cameo" is really Belle's mother.]]

As noted, Frollo either caused or exacerbated her death.



[[WMG: Beast is actually He-Man]]

[[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 Yes, that He-Man]]. One story or game has his name as Adam, he's a prince, and blonde. The enchantress was probably Evil-Lyn.

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[[WMG: Beast is actually He-Man]]

[[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 Yes, that He-Man]]. One story or game has his name as Adam, he's a prince, and blonde. The enchantress was probably Evil-Lyn.



* There's a shot near the beginning of the movie where the Beast rips up a portrait of himself as a young man. He is absolutely older than 11 in the painting, possibly as young as 15 or 16 but he may as well be in his early 20s. I imagine he must not have aged during the curse because he looks the same after transforming back to a human as he does in the painting, despite being 10 years older. Perhaps the comment by Lumiere that they have been "rusting for 10 years" was an approximation, or he was unable to keep track of how many years have passed.




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[[WMG: The Beast is [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_II the son of Napoleon]] ]]
Napoléon François Joseph Charles Bonaparte was a prince (technically he was styled King of Rome, but in practice he was a crown prince), and was known to have been quite bitter against his mother for abandoning Napoleon and having the children of another man while still married to him. What if he had ''not'' stayed in Reichstadt (with the duke Franz being only a lookalike) and, even before being 10, returned to France with a small following intent into restoring the Empire? He rejected the Enchantress because he was feeling particularly bitter over his inability to restore the Empire after Louis XVIII's death, and was about to reopen the gate and take her in (as he had realized what he had just done was criminal) when she blasted in and started cursing.
Upon recovering his humanity he decided that staying with Belle was better than messing up with Louise Philippe's reign (at the time still beloved, and a good king anyway), and by the time his cousing Napoleon III took over he didn't want the throne anymore.
* The Enchantress was actually Joséphine de Beauharnais' ghost: she and Napoleon's ghost had seen that he was becoming a bad person, and, after dream warnings failed to make him correct his actings, decided to give him a lesson and transformed him in a Beast. How? It's Napoleon, he had picked up a few tricks as a ghost. Why? Given what had happened with Napoleon François' mother, both Napoleon and Josephine weren't in the mood to leave anything to chance and went overboard...



The explanation? The prince isn't the Crown Prince, and nobody noticed his mysterious disappearance because he'd been sent away from court (due to his bad temper and behaviour) to live in a castle in the countryside with a small group of servants until his manner improved. His parents were waiting for the servants to send word of a change in his behaviour before they would visit him, and when the curse struck, the servants weren't able to send word, so prince's parents just assumed he was still as bad as ever and didn't bother to check up on him.

[[WMG: The Beast is Louis-Charles, the uncrowned King Louis XVII, son of Louis XVI of France and Marie Antoinette.]]
The film takes place in an alternate universe where Louis-Charles never died. In 1793, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette are executed. The 8 year old Louis-Charles is given to a cobbler named Antoine Simon to be raised. In 1794, Simon's wife falls ill and he can no longer care for Louis-Charles. Instead of imprisoning the Dauphin, Louis-Charles is sent to the country where he is visited by the Enchantress, an ardent revolutionary with magical powers. When she learns that Louis-Charles still thinks of himself as a prince, she curses him and his royalist servants. During the chaos of the Reign of Terror, everyone believes that Louis-Charles was murdered. When he becomes human again, it is 1805 and the second year into Napoleon's reign (hence, the Napoleon style bicorn Cogsworth wears).
* An 1805 date would explain some of the fashion choices, from Gaston's long tight trousers and tall boots, Lefou's waistcoat, high collar, and cravat, the narrow dresses sported by Belle and the other village women, the Bimbettes low necklines and short sleeves. The few who are still wearing breeches are older gentlemen, such as Maurice. The exception is Belle's yellow ball gown, which is loaned to her and has likely been in storage since the 1790s.

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[[WMG:Gaston's last name is [[ThePhantomofTheOpera Leroux]].]]
He survived the fall and coped with his humiliating defeat by writing a FixFic where the Beast is the StalkerWithACrush who resorts to the ScarpiaUltimatum and the handsome rival is a noble (albeit ineffectual) hero who gets the beautiful girl. As for how he knows how to write, he was downplaying his smarts in the movie. Either that or he had EasyAmnesia and someone convinced him to become a scholar and once he remembered his past, he started writing.
* Alternatively, perhaps he was dictating?

[[WMG: The Enchantress is Nimue]]

Based on Disney's ''Disney/TheSwordInTheStone,'' where Merlin has mobile furniture that can follow orders. Of course Nimue as his girlfriend (in [[Literature/TheOnceAndFutureKing the novel]] that Disney's ''Sword and the Stone'' is adapted from) would have learned the spells to grant furniture mobility from Merlin and have perfected it by turning people into furniture which fixes the bugs (such as Merlin's sugar bowl giving him too much sugar) The enchantress is also a beautiful blonde woman, and Nimue is normally portrayed as blonde. The flaws in this WMG are that granting furniture mobility seems to be a standard trick of magic users in the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon. The good fairies in ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'' as well as the sorcerer (and his apprentice) in the Sorcerer's Apprentice segment of ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'' show ability in this sort of spell.

[[WMG: Gaston was the hunter who killed Bambi's mom]]
Look on the wall during the Gaston song... In the original novel Bambi is a roe deer, not a white-tailed deer, which are found throughout Europe.A further note on the original novel, it was first published in Austria and it's a high possibility that's where the setting is. This theory is what the filmmakers were trying to imply when they made the film.

[[WMG: Belle is a Time Lord]]
How else can you explain her cameo appearance in Hunchback of Notre Dame which is supposedly set 200 years before her birth?

[[WMG: The Beast is a Time Lord]]
Just look at the transformation sequence at the end, the beams of light erupting from his fingertips and face, and also remember that he just got (apparently lethally) stabbed.He's not turning back into a human, the wound was deadly and he's regenerating!
The fairy in the beginning did not turn him into a monster, she outright killed him, causing his regeneration into a less human-like appearance and changing his personality from {{jerkass}} to frowning recluse.
* On a related note, the castle is his TARDIS. Notice how it changes dramatically after his transformation, up to and including the weather? This is also how Belle appears in Hunchback- she becomes his companion and gets her 'adventure in the great wide somewhere' after all.

[[WMG: Belle's mother was a member of [[Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents V.F.D.]]]]

Belle calls the town "poor", yet it's not ''that'' badly off as it has a market for fine hats and a books (admittedly, only one quite small shop devoted to each). There are not one, but several people who are not only on the same economic level as Belle but ''better dressed''. Thus, we may assume that her mother was a noble member of V.F.D. in all senses of the word, and encouraged a reputation of harmless eccentricity by marrying an inventor instead of someone on her class level, which also allowed her to teach Belle to read. Thus, Belle was used to a higher standard of living and a more intellectual lifestyle. Due to her parent's marriage, she was also taught that money isn't everything, which easily translates to "looks aren't everything".

Let's assume that Belle's mother died when Belle was young, before she could receive higher-level training, the tattoo on her ankle, or actually knowing her mother (and/or father) was a member of V.F.D. As she is grown and apparently well adjusted, this may explain why she never speaks about her mother.

Maurice may or may not have been an associate himself. His wife's death is the reason they had to move. He may have been provided for by an in-law before falling on ''really'' hard times, shortly before the beginning of the film. He may have been told that the area was dangerous and fled from town to town, under the excuse that his inventions weren't catching on and they could no longer afford their old place. He may have simply moved around following the fairs. And if Maurice had been planning to go to Valencia's Fair Day...

As for Maurice never telling Belle about V.F.D. should he be a member of it, he may have wanted his daughter to live a safe, normal life--or he was just hopelessly busy making machines for V.F.D. and couldn't find the time to recruit Belle. His remark on Gaston may have been a test to see if she had her priorities straight and could tell noble people from ignoble people.

Belle was also taught to be a flaneur (or, flaneuse?), as she is ''very'' good at observing people. At the beginning of the movie, everyone still acts as if it Belle is the new girl--they know her name, yet aren't completely used to her oddness. But Belle herself is incredibly bored, knowing off the top of her head the entire current inventory of a bookstore which is small but full. The way she walks through town, avoiding a splash of dirty water, skipping through children's jumprope games, and using a wagon to her advantage, is not simple coincidence or luck. She settled into her own routine so quickly that she knows, and has gotten used to, ''everyone else's schedules'' as well.

This exchange cements Belle as a precise speaker, as V.F.D. members are known to be:

-->'''Gaston:''' A rustic hunting lodge, my latest kill roasting on the fire, and my little wife, massaging my feet, while the little ones play with the dogs. We'll have six or seven.\\
'''Belle:''' [[AmbiguousSyntax Dogs?]]

But she also [[GrammarNazi uses more precise language]] than the bookshop owner himself. He states that she has "read" the book he gives her twice. It may be true that Belle has read it twice... but it doesn't mean that she has ''only'' read the book twice. From their dialogue, the book at the beginning of the film was not a book which she had read before, and she had borrowed it from him ''yesterday''. This means that she, like many avid readers, can read a good-sized book in one sitting if particularly absorbed with nothing else to do. From her knowledge of his inventory, it is also implied that the book she returned was the last book she hadn't read in the shop. And from ''that'' we may assume that a new shipment of books came shortly after she worked her way through the old inventory (some more than once), which took place within a few months at most. Thus, she asked him if he'd gotten anything new yesterday, because she was about to run out of things to read... ''again''.

Belle never confirms or denies the number of times she has actually read a book. All she says is that she has come to return the book she had "borrowed", not that she has come to return the book she had "read". She may very well borrow a book once or twice, but read it multiple times because she has nothing else to do, and she never corrects the owner because she is too polite and wants to remain on good terms. Also, due to her upbringing, Belle appears to have gotten lonely, but doesn't know how to connect with people who don't read as much as she does--if they even read at all. So in an attempt to look a little more normal, she glosses over her exact level of intelligence to put everyone at ease. So, the only thing we know for sure is that Belle has read the book ''at least'' twice.

Note: Belle's idea of downplaying her intelligence is "letting people assume that she only reads a book once when she borrows it". She still reads while she walks, talks about books and borrows them regularly, and helps her father with his inventions. However, this is likely because she acted the way she usually did on her first day in town. By the time Belle realized everyone was freaked out about her constant reading instead of staring at her because she was pretty, it was too late for her to pretend she didn't know how to read at all.

Back to V.F.D.: The bookshop owner may be the only member in town. Judging from his imprecise language and the dearth of V.F.D. members (since the shop is completely empty), he is a bit rusty. He gave Belle that book so quickly, not only because it is an old book which no one except her seems interested in, but because it has a coded message, which is one or both of the following:

-->1) It recruits Belle into V.F.D. As she is obviously smart, having memorized his current inventory, as well as reading the book ''[[GrammarNazi at least]]'' twice, the owner trusted that she would notice anything odd this time around.\\
2) It informs her of her mother's real occupation. A member of V.F.D. who knew her family paid for it, put in the message, then told the owner to give it to Belle before going back into hiding (or being killed).

Belle never finished the book this time around, because the film happened and she got a library full of other books, which she likely began to read at once due to them being entirely new to her and she assumed there was nothing new about the book the owner gave her. Thus, she never found the message.

Lastly, her name is Belle. If her mother was a noblewoman, she would likely have been exposed to other languages and the common name has a double meaning. "Beautiful" in French, which has a homophone in English for "an object which makes a ringing sound". There is also a bell on the door of the bookshop. And which code taught to members of the V.F.D. uses a bell?

** Going with this, am I the only one who noticed how the bookseller looks like Count Olaf? Hm, hm, hm…

[[WMG: The plot is the focal point for a vast, inter-movie conspiracy]]
It starts with Gaston. His dumb-brutishness [[ObfuscatingStupidity appears to be a facade.]] We know that the town doesn't treat intellectuals well. They ostracize Belle and attempt to get Maurice institutionalized. Gaston could simply be acting stupid defensively. When doing something that interests him (like talking about himself or preparing for a showdown) he becomes verbose and obviously well-read. He uses the word "expectorating" in context and quotes both Macbeth and the Bible in the Mob Song. When it would be more noticeable, though, he turns books sideways, smacks chessboards around, and decries the "dangerous pastime" of thinking. If nothing else, he knows psychology, easily [[XanatosSpeedChess speedchessing]] his way into getting what he wants. Due to the Bambi's mother theory above, we can open the possibility that there's more going on here, in regards to the rest of the Disney universe.

Now we move to the DisproportionateRetribution of the enchantress. The cruelty of cursing an entire castle for the rudeness and lack of hospitality of an 11-year-old prince feels almost contrived. Perhaps it was. But by whom? Well, we know that it's set in France in a time when royalty was a thing. If the timeline fits, one is tempted to suspect Merlin. After all, crippling the government of a neighboring country is a good way to ensure that your young king (Arthur) gets to grow into a responsible leader without the country going to hell by being invaded. But doing it himself would most certainly open the door to war anyway, so he would need an accomplice. Because of the Madame Mim fiasco, we know that sorcerous entities in this universe associate with one another. It's possible that he requested the help of a magic user with experience with curses and something to gain. Enter Maleficent, who has a castle of her own, so it stands to reason that she's interested in territory and rulership. She could be the enchantress. But there is a third suspect. The Queen from Snow White. She, like the Beast, has a magic mirror. A magic mirror that lends her the ability to see her competition when it comes to beauty. It's possible that she saw the girl NAMED "Beauty" and decided that she needed in on this plan, if only to exterminate her. Merlin and Maleficent would surely enter her into the pact, what with her mirror's omniscience.

Their plan would have gone off perfectly... [[SpannerInTheWorks if not for one thing.]] Gaston. Now, in Snow White, we see that the Queen's mirror doesn't like her much. It could be the case that, much like the wizards, the mirrors have a secret society of their own, complete with plans and counterplans. It could be that Beast's mirror and the Queen's mirror arranged for a third mirror to get into the hands of Gaston who, due to the precognitive abilities of the magic mirror, formulated a plan concerning the Beast and Belle. This is supported a bit by his predilection for reflective surfaces, and how comfortably he wields Belle's magic mirror. Now, if he presented himself as any kind of threat to the conspiracy, his ability to subvert it would be negated. So he pretends in front of everyone that he's all brawn and no brains, while simultaneously behaving in a self-centered and off-putting way towards Belle. He knows that if she and the Beast profess their love for one another in time, his country will be restored, and Belle saved from certain magical doom. In that context, everything he does makes much more sense. Angrily stating that Belle has feelings for the Beast? Planting the notion in her mind. Sending the mob? Getting Belle back to the castle before the rose wilts. Stabbing Beast in the back? A HeroicSacrifice, since Belle wouldn't have professed her love in time unless she thought it was the last thing she'd have to say to the Beast.

Gaston turns out to be the good guy all along, shaping his whole life around a vision granted him by the mirrors. All his villainy, under this theory, is attributed to an [[OmniscientMoralityLicense omniscience-guided plan that required it]]. Especially since everything did, indeed, turn out for the best.
* This ... this may be the single greatest fan theory ever. Thank you, whoever wrote this.
** That goes for me too.
* That's great indeed; at the very least the part about him acting stupid still makes sense while standing on its own.

[[WMG: The Enchantress is one of the Weird Sisters from {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}}]]
Mainly because they have the same voice actress (at least in ''The Enchanted Christmas''), but it would explain why she was so heartless about transforming a kid and his servants into a beast and things.

[[WMG: The Enchantress is [[Manga/MahouSenseiNegima Evangeline]], and Belle became Chachazero after the Revolution]]
That christmas Evangeline was passing by, and felt like not passing the night in the snow and asked hospitality masked as an old woman to avoid causing a lynch mob if there was someone who recognized her, but when the prince refused hospitality she stormed the castle, cursed him into a beast for that and the servants for not teaching him the [[SacredHospitality value of hospitability]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ate all the food]] (she was tired from all the transformation. She then went for her way until she felt the curse being lifted, and when Belle dared to face her after her appearance scared everyone she gave her a magical doll as reward for her courage.
Comes UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, and the villagers team up with nearby villages, storm the castle and murder everyone, Belle last after watching helpless the deaths of her husband and child (or children?) and being gang-raped. Somewhere during her murder she snapped, and upon her death she possesses the magical doll and [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge massacres everyone]], being stopped from destroying the villages and massacring their families only by Evangeline's arrival. Evangeline is spotted by mages and thought to be the killer and Belle-doll has exhausted the magic, so they decide to team up: Belle, now rechristened Chachazero, would be Evangeline's combat partner, and Evangeline would provide her with magic to stay alive, [[WickedCultured books]] and chances to [[PayEvilUntoEvil exact the blood of murderers, rapists and other violent criminals]].

[[WMG: The Enchantress is [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor The Enchantress.]]]]
* Disney does own Marvel now. So why not?

[[WMG: The bald eagle head in Gaston's tavern is a griffon.]]
I can't be the only one who notices how much it looks like [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Gilda]].
* "No-one jumps realities like Gaston!"

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The explanation? The prince isn't the Crown Prince, and nobody noticed his mysterious disappearance because he'd been sent away from court (due to his bad temper and behaviour) to live in a castle in the countryside with a small group of servants until his manner improved. His parents were waiting for the servants to send word of a change in his behaviour before they would visit him, and when the curse struck, the servants weren't able to send word, so prince's parents just assumed he was still as bad as ever and didn't bother to check up on him.

[[WMG: The Beast is Louis-Charles, the uncrowned King Louis XVII, son of Louis XVI of France and Marie Antoinette.]]
The film takes place in an alternate universe where Louis-Charles never died. In 1793, Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette are executed. The 8 year old Louis-Charles is given to a cobbler named Antoine Simon to be raised. In 1794, Simon's wife falls ill and he can no longer care for Louis-Charles. Instead of imprisoning the Dauphin, Louis-Charles is sent to the country where he is visited by the Enchantress, an ardent revolutionary with magical powers. When she learns that Louis-Charles still thinks of himself as a prince, she curses him and his royalist servants. During the chaos of the Reign of Terror, everyone believes that Louis-Charles was murdered. When he becomes human again, it is 1805 and the second year into Napoleon's reign (hence, the Napoleon style bicorn Cogsworth wears).
* An 1805 date would explain some of the fashion choices, from Gaston's long tight trousers and tall boots, Lefou's waistcoat, high collar, and cravat, the narrow dresses sported by Belle and the other village women, the Bimbettes low necklines and short sleeves. The few who are still wearing breeches are older gentlemen, such as Maurice. The exception is Belle's yellow ball gown, which is loaned to her and has likely been in storage since the 1790s.

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[[WMG:Gaston's last name is [[ThePhantomofTheOpera Leroux]].]]
He survived the fall and coped with his humiliating defeat by writing a FixFic where the Beast is the StalkerWithACrush who resorts to the ScarpiaUltimatum and the handsome rival is a noble (albeit ineffectual) hero who gets the beautiful girl. As for how he knows how to write, he was downplaying his smarts in the movie. Either that or he had EasyAmnesia and someone convinced him to become a scholar and once he remembered his past, he started writing.
* Alternatively, perhaps he was dictating?

[[WMG: The Enchantress is Nimue]]

Based on Disney's ''Disney/TheSwordInTheStone,'' where Merlin has mobile furniture that can follow orders. Of course Nimue as his girlfriend (in [[Literature/TheOnceAndFutureKing the novel]] that Disney's ''Sword and the Stone'' is adapted from) would have learned the spells to grant furniture mobility from Merlin and have perfected it by turning people into furniture which fixes the bugs (such as Merlin's sugar bowl giving him too much sugar) The enchantress is also a beautiful blonde woman, and Nimue is normally portrayed as blonde. The flaws in this WMG are that granting furniture mobility seems to be a standard trick of magic users in the Franchise/DisneyAnimatedCanon. The good fairies in ''Disney/SleepingBeauty'' as well as the sorcerer (and his apprentice) in the Sorcerer's Apprentice segment of ''Disney/{{Fantasia}}'' show ability in this sort of spell.

[[WMG: Gaston was the hunter who killed Bambi's mom]]
Look on the wall during the Gaston song... In the original novel Bambi is a roe deer, not a white-tailed deer, which are found throughout Europe.A further note on the original novel, it was first published in Austria and it's a high possibility that's where the setting is. This theory is what the filmmakers were trying to imply when they made the film.

[[WMG: Belle is a Time Lord]]
How else can you explain her cameo appearance in Hunchback of Notre Dame which is supposedly set 200 years before her birth?

[[WMG: The Beast is a Time Lord]]
Just look at the transformation sequence at the end, the beams of light erupting from his fingertips and face, and also remember that he just got (apparently lethally) stabbed.He's not turning back into a human, the wound was deadly and he's regenerating!
The fairy in the beginning did not turn him into a monster, she outright killed him, causing his regeneration into a less human-like appearance and changing his personality from {{jerkass}} to frowning recluse.
* On a related note, the castle is his TARDIS. Notice how it changes dramatically after his transformation, up to and including the weather? This is also how Belle appears in Hunchback- she becomes his companion and gets her 'adventure in the great wide somewhere' after all.

[[WMG: Belle's mother was a member of [[Literature/ASeriesOfUnfortunateEvents V.F.D.]]]]

Belle calls the town "poor", yet it's not ''that'' badly off as it has a market for fine hats and a books (admittedly, only one quite small shop devoted to each). There are not one, but several people who are not only on the same economic level as Belle but ''better dressed''. Thus, we may assume that her mother was a noble member of V.F.D. in all senses of the word, and encouraged a reputation of harmless eccentricity by marrying an inventor instead of someone on her class level, which also allowed her to teach Belle to read. Thus, Belle was used to a higher standard of living and a more intellectual lifestyle. Due to her parent's marriage, she was also taught that money isn't everything, which easily translates to "looks aren't everything".

Let's assume that Belle's mother died when Belle was young, before she could receive higher-level training, the tattoo on her ankle, or actually knowing her mother (and/or father) was a member of V.F.D. As she is grown and apparently well adjusted, this may explain why she never speaks about her mother.

Maurice may or may not have been an associate himself. His wife's death is the reason they had to move. He may have been provided for by an in-law before falling on ''really'' hard times, shortly before the beginning of the film. He may have been told that the area was dangerous and fled from town to town, under the excuse that his inventions weren't catching on and they could no longer afford their old place. He may have simply moved around following the fairs. And if Maurice had been planning to go to Valencia's Fair Day...

As for Maurice never telling Belle about V.F.D. should he be a member of it, he may have wanted his daughter to live a safe, normal life--or he was just hopelessly busy making machines for V.F.D. and couldn't find the time to recruit Belle. His remark on Gaston may have been a test to see if she had her priorities straight and could tell noble people from ignoble people.

Belle was also taught to be a flaneur (or, flaneuse?), as she is ''very'' good at observing people. At the beginning of the movie, everyone still acts as if it Belle is the new girl--they know her name, yet aren't completely used to her oddness. But Belle herself is incredibly bored, knowing off the top of her head the entire current inventory of a bookstore which is small but full. The way she walks through town, avoiding a splash of dirty water, skipping through children's jumprope games, and using a wagon to her advantage, is not simple coincidence or luck. She settled into her own routine so quickly that she knows, and has gotten used to, ''everyone else's schedules'' as well.

This exchange cements Belle as a precise speaker, as V.F.D. members are known to be:

-->'''Gaston:''' A rustic hunting lodge, my latest kill roasting on the fire, and my little wife, massaging my feet, while the little ones play with the dogs. We'll have six or seven.\\
'''Belle:''' [[AmbiguousSyntax Dogs?]]

But she also [[GrammarNazi uses more precise language]] than the bookshop owner himself. He states that she has "read" the book he gives her twice. It may be true that Belle has read it twice... but it doesn't mean that she has ''only'' read the book twice. From their dialogue, the book at the beginning of the film was not a book which she had read before, and she had borrowed it from him ''yesterday''. This means that she, like many avid readers, can read a good-sized book in one sitting if particularly absorbed with nothing else to do. From her knowledge of his inventory, it is also implied that the book she returned was the last book she hadn't read in the shop. And from ''that'' we may assume that a new shipment of books came shortly after she worked her way through the old inventory (some more than once), which took place within a few months at most. Thus, she asked him if he'd gotten anything new yesterday, because she was about to run out of things to read... ''again''.

Belle never confirms or denies the number of times she has actually read a book. All she says is that she has come to return the book she had "borrowed", not that she has come to return the book she had "read". She may very well borrow a book once or twice, but read it multiple times because she has nothing else to do, and she never corrects the owner because she is too polite and wants to remain on good terms. Also, due to her upbringing, Belle appears to have gotten lonely, but doesn't know how to connect with people who don't read as much as she does--if they even read at all. So in an attempt to look a little more normal, she glosses over her exact level of intelligence to put everyone at ease. So, the only thing we know for sure is that Belle has read the book ''at least'' twice.

Note: Belle's idea of downplaying her intelligence is "letting people assume that she only reads a book once when she borrows it". She still reads while she walks, talks about books and borrows them regularly, and helps her father with his inventions. However, this is likely because she acted the way she usually did on her first day in town. By the time Belle realized everyone was freaked out about her constant reading instead of staring at her because she was pretty, it was too late for her to pretend she didn't know how to read at all.

Back to V.F.D.: The bookshop owner may be the only member in town. Judging from his imprecise language and the dearth of V.F.D. members (since the shop is completely empty), he is a bit rusty. He gave Belle that book so quickly, not only because it is an old book which no one except her seems interested in, but because it has a coded message, which is one or both of the following:

-->1) It recruits Belle into V.F.D. As she is obviously smart, having memorized his current inventory, as well as reading the book ''[[GrammarNazi at least]]'' twice, the owner trusted that she would notice anything odd this time around.\\
2) It informs her of her mother's real occupation. A member of V.F.D. who knew her family paid for it, put in the message, then told the owner to give it to Belle before going back into hiding (or being killed).

Belle never finished the book this time around, because the film happened and she got a library full of other books, which she likely began to read at once due to them being entirely new to her and she assumed there was nothing new about the book the owner gave her. Thus, she never found the message.

Lastly, her name is Belle. If her mother was a noblewoman, she would likely have been exposed to other languages and the common name has a double meaning. "Beautiful" in French, which has a homophone in English for "an object which makes a ringing sound". There is also a bell on the door of the bookshop. And which code taught to members of the V.F.D. uses a bell?

** Going with this, am I the only one who noticed how the bookseller looks like Count Olaf? Hm, hm, hm…

[[WMG: The plot is the focal point for a vast, inter-movie conspiracy]]
It starts with Gaston. His dumb-brutishness [[ObfuscatingStupidity appears to be a facade.]] We know that the town doesn't treat intellectuals well. They ostracize Belle and attempt to get Maurice institutionalized. Gaston could simply be acting stupid defensively. When doing something that interests him (like talking about himself or preparing for a showdown) he becomes verbose and obviously well-read. He uses the word "expectorating" in context and quotes both Macbeth and the Bible in the Mob Song. When it would be more noticeable, though, he turns books sideways, smacks chessboards around, and decries the "dangerous pastime" of thinking. If nothing else, he knows psychology, easily [[XanatosSpeedChess speedchessing]] his way into getting what he wants. Due to the Bambi's mother theory above, we can open the possibility that there's more going on here, in regards to the rest of the Disney universe.

Now we move to the DisproportionateRetribution of the enchantress. The cruelty of cursing an entire castle for the rudeness and lack of hospitality of an 11-year-old prince feels almost contrived. Perhaps it was. But by whom? Well, we know that it's set in France in a time when royalty was a thing. If the timeline fits, one is tempted to suspect Merlin. After all, crippling the government of a neighboring country is a good way to ensure that your young king (Arthur) gets to grow into a responsible leader without the country going to hell by being invaded. But doing it himself would most certainly open the door to war anyway, so he would need an accomplice. Because of the Madame Mim fiasco, we know that sorcerous entities in this universe associate with one another. It's possible that he requested the help of a magic user with experience with curses and something to gain. Enter Maleficent, who has a castle of her own, so it stands to reason that she's interested in territory and rulership. She could be the enchantress. But there is a third suspect. The Queen from Snow White. She, like the Beast, has a magic mirror. A magic mirror that lends her the ability to see her competition when it comes to beauty. It's possible that she saw the girl NAMED "Beauty" and decided that she needed in on this plan, if only to exterminate her. Merlin and Maleficent would surely enter her into the pact, what with her mirror's omniscience.

Their plan would have gone off perfectly... [[SpannerInTheWorks if not for one thing.]] Gaston. Now, in Snow White, we see that the Queen's mirror doesn't like her much. It could be the case that, much like the wizards, the mirrors have a secret society of their own, complete with plans and counterplans. It could be that Beast's mirror and the Queen's mirror arranged for a third mirror to get into the hands of Gaston who, due to the precognitive abilities of the magic mirror, formulated a plan concerning the Beast and Belle. This is supported a bit by his predilection for reflective surfaces, and how comfortably he wields Belle's magic mirror. Now, if he presented himself as any kind of threat to the conspiracy, his ability to subvert it would be negated. So he pretends in front of everyone that he's all brawn and no brains, while simultaneously behaving in a self-centered and off-putting way towards Belle. He knows that if she and the Beast profess their love for one another in time, his country will be restored, and Belle saved from certain magical doom. In that context, everything he does makes much more sense. Angrily stating that Belle has feelings for the Beast? Planting the notion in her mind. Sending the mob? Getting Belle back to the castle before the rose wilts. Stabbing Beast in the back? A HeroicSacrifice, since Belle wouldn't have professed her love in time unless she thought it was the last thing she'd have to say to the Beast.

Gaston turns out to be the good guy all along, shaping his whole life around a vision granted him by the mirrors. All his villainy, under this theory, is attributed to an [[OmniscientMoralityLicense omniscience-guided plan that required it]]. Especially since everything did, indeed, turn out for the best.
* This ... this may be the single greatest fan theory ever. Thank you, whoever wrote this.
** That goes for me too.
* That's great indeed; at the very least the part about him acting stupid still makes sense while standing on its own.

[[WMG: The Enchantress is one of the Weird Sisters from {{WesternAnimation/Gargoyles}}]]
Mainly because they have the same voice actress (at least in ''The Enchanted Christmas''), but it would explain why she was so heartless about transforming a kid and his servants into a beast and things.

[[WMG: The Enchantress is [[Manga/MahouSenseiNegima Evangeline]], and Belle became Chachazero after the Revolution]]
That christmas Evangeline was passing by, and felt like not passing the night in the snow and asked hospitality masked as an old woman to avoid causing a lynch mob if there was someone who recognized her, but when the prince refused hospitality she stormed the castle, cursed him into a beast for that and the servants for not teaching him the [[SacredHospitality value of hospitability]], and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking ate all the food]] (she was tired from all the transformation. She then went for her way until she felt the curse being lifted, and when Belle dared to face her after her appearance scared everyone she gave her a magical doll as reward for her courage.
Comes UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, and the villagers team up with nearby villages, storm the castle and murder everyone, Belle last after watching helpless the deaths of her husband and child (or children?) and being gang-raped. Somewhere during her murder she snapped, and upon her death she possesses the magical doll and [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge massacres everyone]], being stopped from destroying the villages and massacring their families only by Evangeline's arrival. Evangeline is spotted by mages and thought to be the killer and Belle-doll has exhausted the magic, so they decide to team up: Belle, now rechristened Chachazero, would be Evangeline's combat partner, and Evangeline would provide her with magic to stay alive, [[WickedCultured books]] and chances to [[PayEvilUntoEvil exact the blood of murderers, rapists and other violent criminals]].

[[WMG: The Enchantress is [[ComicBook/TheMightyThor The Enchantress.]]]]
* Disney does own Marvel now. So why not?

[[WMG: The bald eagle head in Gaston's tavern is a griffon.]]
I can't be the only one who notices how much it looks like [[WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic Gilda]].
* "No-one jumps realities like Gaston!"

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25th Apr '17 3:50:32 AM CthonisPrincess
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* Unlikely because Furries are people who dress up in animal costumes and take on the persona of that animal. They also have 'fursonas' identities they use in the Furry community. Sometimes full-on sex occurs, but often two or more furries engage in a behavior called "yiffing" (dry-humping or other sexualized interactions). Besides she wasn't disappointed but instead is rather confused as to what had just occurred (He just died and turned into a human).
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* '''Jossed.''' In a recent interview for the live action movie, the Beast/Prince's actor Dan Stevens refers to the Prince as 'Prince Adam'. Since Dan cannot promote the movie under false information, it has been unofficially confirmed that the Prince's name is Adam.
10th Apr '17 5:05:42 AM Gouken20xx
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\n[[WMG: It's not Belle who is suffering StockholmSyndrome, It's the Beast!]]
Just a thought concerning the hot topic over whether or not Belle is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Everyone is missing that Beast is largely resigned to his fate, he and his remaining servants pretty much no longer even remember 'Adam' as his name and he constantly focuses on the rose. Stockholm Syndrome is not just romantic, it is to allow the captor to "win" and control their fate.
* Belle, from the beginning, has complete control over her situation, only the wolves in the forest stopping her from leaving outright when she flees after the Beast notices her looking at the rose, and she's rebellious, if not anti-social, towards the Beast until he allows her past his gruff exterior.
* Meanwhile, The Beast has completely embraced his new beastial nature, deciding that someone who the servants let in for his own safety is trespassing and making him a prisoner purely for that small reason, and doesn't expect the curse to lift at all, and just waits for the penny, or rather the last rose petal, to drop. Classic Stockholm Syndrome sufferer behaviour.
7th Apr '17 8:48:03 AM Ymirsdaughter
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[[WMG: Beast is actually He-Man]]

[[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 Yes, that He-Man]]. One story or game has his name as Adam, he's a prince, and blonde. The enchantress was probably Evil-Lyn.
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