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[[WMG: Michael and George Michael really are brothers]]
Not my theory, I read it on a Cracked Article but I really like the idea (in an all fictional characters must suffer kind of way) and the poster made it sound quite convincing. It;s quite long so prepare yourself.

The show seems to constantly suggest that Rebel Ally is a mirror of Tracey Bluth who is Michael's dead ex-wife. The most blatant reference is Michael speaking that exact line to his father. "She's Tracy." In the first episode of Season 4, Michael again compares his current living situation with his ex, Tracy. He says: "Hey, last time this happened I met your mother and I had you." And while Michael takes on the casting role for his project, he wants Rebel to play his ex-wife because they are so similar. In other words - when the story gets made and repeats itself, Rebel needs to be playing Tracy.

All of this hints at the idea that what happened before is happening again.

But the most important factor of Rebel Ally and this theory is her red hair. Tracy had red hair. George Senior prefers red hair. And to further mirror Michael and George Michael - they both speak the exact same line in regard to Lindsay wearing a red wig, seeing her from behind and not knowing it's her. "Gentlemen, start your engines." All the Bluth Boys have the same tastes. Redheads.

Rebel is vital is a throw-away clue about the illegitimacy of Michael and George Michael's connection being bogus. Ron Howard mentions Rebel to Michael. He tells Michael that she's an illegitimate child and then says: "You're probably upset just by me bringing her up." Why would Ron Howard say this unless Michael was dealing with an illegitimate connection himself? (Ron Howard would have this info thanks to Kitty) Michael never met Rebel by the time of this conversation and has no idea who she is. Still, Howard assumes Michael will be offended.

Then we have Michael saying in just about every episode, in regard to George Michael: "We're just like twins." Why does Michael keep saying this?

Let's examine the two sets of twins the show had established for us over the last three seasons. We have George Senior and Oscar and then we have Michael and Lindsay. Those are "the twins" when it comes to The Bluth's.

If Michael and George Michael are: "Just Like Twins" then they're just like George And Oscar (who spawned an illegitimate child in Buster) and Michael and Lindsay (who aren't really twins). If they're "just like twins" then they aren't related how they think they are and there's a bastard child in the picture.

Then we get down to the finer details of this theory. Is there additional evidence in the show that might be trying to tell us that Michael isn't George Michael's dad? In the dorm vote, George Michael's paper has the word DAD crossed out and replaced with the word MICHAEL.

A bit of a stretch? When discussing voting PHound out of the dorm, Michael says: "We gang up on him, vote him out and it's ADIOS BROTHIERO (his attempt at saying GOODBYE, BROTHER in Spanish). But who ends up getting voted out of the dorm? Michael does. Goodbye, BROTHER.

In a conversation with Ron Howard, Michael takes a HUGE step toward this theory. When Howard asks him to get George Michael to sign over his life rights, Michael says: "You know, a week ago I wouldn't have considered I was acting like his father but now I wouldn't even think of him as my brother." Thanks to that line, now "I'M" thinking of them as brothers.

Much evidence surrounds the idea that they are not father and son. But why would I think George was the father? (aside from his taste for redheads)

Let's put this entire theory together in a single line. Have you ever wondered why George Michael's name is not Michael George? Why isn't he named after his father? (i suggest he actually is) Well, guess who chose George Michael's name? Tracy. And Michael speaks the line: "She picked that name for you so you wouldn't get confused with your uncle George and your Grandpa George. We should call you (check this out) BOY GEORGE."

Most people took that as a simple joke about changing his name to another celebrity who was involved in shady business on the news - but I feel it's an important line. He's not BOY-MICHAEL. He's BOY-GEORGE, named for his Grandfather by his mother, Tracy.

But wait a minute - am I really suggesting that we have a show where a father knowingly bangs his son's girlfriend? Hell yes, I am. That's the story of Season 4. Michael knowingly banging his son's girlfriend and not doesn't tell him about it.

And if I'm right in that Rebel is a mirror of Tracy, and that this is a repeat of a story that's happened before - if Michael nailed his son's woman, then George Senior nailed Michael's.

Is there any evidence that George may have had a deeper connection with Tracy? Yep. In Season 2 he's caught wearing her maternity clothes in the attic. Not one of her sweaters, not a pair of her socks but MATERNITY clothes. This may have simply been a way to show that he can't leave the attic and has no access to clean clothes - but when Michael returns to the attic, George Senior has taken a further step by wearing Tracy's perfume. That's a step up from tossing on one of her blazers. And in Season 4 we see a video for the Cornballer with Tracy, an infant George Michael and George Senior. Michael is not present. An interesting hint that the three are connected.

Now, I'm not sure if Michael is aware that George Michael isn't his son or not - but I'm pretty sure he's the kind of guy that would raise someone else's kid. How do I know? Ron Howard told us so in the episode where Maggie Lizer returns and Michael thinks she might be pregnant with his baby. Ron says: "Michael always wanted to think of himself as that kind of good guy - the kind of guy who would raise someone else's child."
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* Seemingly confirmed in season 4, where he clearly falls in love with a woman. [[spoiler: Having the family finally tell him about his AmbiguouslyGay characteristics led to a couple of behavior changes that also halfway cleared up the issue of his sexuality.]]




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* Seemingly '''confirmed''' in season 4, where [[spoiler: He clearly falls in love with a woman. Having the family finally tell him about his AmbiguouslyGay characteristics led to a couple of behavior changes that also halfway cleared up the issue of his sexuality.]]



* Assuming the "documentary" is produced by Ron Howard in-universe (and season 4 offers that as the most likely possibility), it'd seem odd for him to try to make the Bluth's look good. He has a lot of reasons to dislike the Bluths. He might be trying to make them look pitiful, in the literal and bad sense of the word.

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* Assuming the "documentary" is produced by Ron Howard in-universe (and season Season 4 offers that as the most likely possibility), it'd seem odd for him to try to make the Bluth's look good. He has a lot of reasons to dislike the Bluths. He might be trying to make them look pitiful, in the literal and bad sense of the word.




The Narrator said that if George Michael and Maeby ever had a kid, it would "be stupid," much like Rita Leeds was, because her parents were cousins.
* Or, they could be BookDumb, because they take after Maeby.
* Maybe Michael was also adopted, and turns out to be from the same family as Lindsay.
* Or Maeby's father Tobias is a Bluth who was given up for adoption before the birth of GOB. He does seem to have George's hair, after all. Note also that Lucille calls Tobias a "Nelly" in reference to his TransparentCloset sexuality after Michael suspects a "Nellie Bluth" exists somewhere; just the sort of Foreshadowing the show liked to do.
* Or GOB is somehow Maeby's father. They both are very similar in both intelligence and personalty. Both lie and manipulate constantly and both feel under appreciated by their parents. Also, both Gob and Maeby believe that Portugal is in South America.

[[WMG: Had the show continued, Michael's child by Maggie Lizer would have been important...]]
...and she would have named him Chareth.
* Unless I missed something, didn't we find out the baby wasn't his? That she was a surrogate for a gay couple, and it was their baby?
** In the "On The Next..." segment at the end of that episode, it's implied that Maggie is pregnant with Michael's child due to their break-up sex. Of course, the canon status of those segments is variable.

[[WMG: Kitty used the 250 cc of George, Sr. to impregnante herself.]]

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\nThe Narrator said that if George Michael and Maeby ever had a kid, it would "be stupid," [[spoiler: much like Rita Leeds was, was]], because her parents were cousins.
* Or, they could be BookDumb, because they take after Maeby.
Maeby.
* [[spoiler: Basically'''Jossed''' in "Development Arrested", since Lindsay is adopted]]
**
Maybe [[spoiler: Michael was also adopted, and turns out to be from the same family as Lindsay.
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Lindsay.]]
**
Or [[spoiler: Maeby's father Tobias is a Bluth who was given up for adoption before the birth of GOB. He does seem to have George's hair, after all. Note also that Lucille calls Tobias a "Nelly" in reference to his TransparentCloset sexuality after Michael suspects a "Nellie Bluth" exists somewhere; just the sort of Foreshadowing the show liked to do.
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do.]]
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Or [[spoiler: GOB is somehow Maeby's father. They both are very similar in both intelligence and personalty. Both lie and manipulate constantly and both feel under appreciated by their parents. Also, both Gob and Maeby believe that Portugal is in South America. \n\n]]

[[WMG: Had the show continued, [[spoiler: Michael's child by Maggie Lizer would have been important...]]
...
]]]]
...
and she would have named him Chareth.
Chareth.
* Unless I missed something, didn't we find out [[spoiler: the baby wasn't his? That she was a surrogate for a gay couple, and it was their baby?
baby]]?
** In the "On The Next...Next Arrested Development..." segment at the end of that episode, it's implied that [[spoiler: Maggie is pregnant with Michael's child due to their break-up sex. Of course, the canon status of those segments is variable.

sex.]]

[[WMG: Kitty used [[spoiler: the 250 cc of George, Sr. to impregnante herself.herself]].]]



** We most certainly do see her again after coming out of rehab. We see her again in Season 4 however no mention of a child is ever made. So this is still a {{WMG}}

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** We most certainly do see her again after coming out of rehab. We see her again in Season 4 4, however no mention of a child is ever made. So this is still a {{WMG}}




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[[WMG: Sally Sitwell [[spoiler: Murdered Lucille Austero and pinned the murder on Buster]]]]
Evidence:
* [[spoiler: Lucille 2's body vanishes from the stairs. The character most likely to pull off an illusion like that is Tony Wonder (or possibly Gob, but he has no motive to kill Lucille 2. Plus the illusion actually ''works''.) We know Tony is involved with Sally, and that the next day he's taken a Forget-Me-Now -- maybe that wasn't because he was ashamed of what happened with Gob but because Sally drugged him to cover her tracks? ETA: It looks like the time on the video jumps by 5 minutes between shots, meaning there'd be time for the body to be moved. However, the reveal that Tony's taken a Forget-Me-Now is still weirdly placed (if that was only meant to wrap up his storyline with Gob it could have been in the 'next time' segment of episode 11 rather than right at the end of the season)]]
** [[spoiler: Whilst Sally has motivation - she did steal money from Lucille 2 - and it's possible she organized the crime, both Tony and Sally have an alibi. Given that Michael returns to the model home to find GOB after he and Tony have slept together, that means they must have been at the house for some time. GOB leaves Cinco de Cuatro before Lucille 2's murder, and Tony arrives not long after him. Both of them have a pretty solid alibi since the whole thing was taped on the to ''To Catch a Predator'' cameras. As for Sally, [[http://lydiduh.tumblr.com/post/58934313174/food-for-thought-that-i-hadnt-seen-anyone-point she can be seen at Lindsay's speech]]. This gives Sally an alibi as well. Tony taking a Forget-Me-Now is more likely a parallel to GOB's earlier consumption of them whenever he felt shame, which is why its at the end of the season rather than at the end of GOB's episode. Since getting another season and/or a movie is pretty much a done deal, TPTB don't have to wrap everything up and can leave on a cliffhanger; because of this, each character is brought to their lowest point (Michael and George-Michael are against each other, Lindsay has turned into Lucille, etc). GOB's lowest point is finding happiness in someone else and then discovering that he's their shame, even if he was going to do the same thing.]]
* [[spoiler: She also wastes no time painting her name on the Staircar]]

[[WMG: Maeby will hire Bob Loblaw [[spoiler: to get her off the statutory rape charges.]]]]
He succeeds.

[[WMG: Micheal [[spoiler:murdered Lucille 2, but forgot because of GOB's roofies]]]]
* [[spoiler: It was accident Michael shoved her out of anger and frustration, due to here vertigo she fell down the staircar.]]
The evidence?
* [[spoiler:When Michael first enters the model home, he is clearly distressed.]]
* [[spoiler: He's wearing a different shirt, a Banana stand shirt, when he arrives at the model home.]]
* [[spoiler:The narrator says that Michael had done something that he regretted with Lucille. It's initially implied that he slept with her, but we later learned that she turned him down]]
* [[spoiler:He had one of the strongest motives to want her dead.]]
* [[spoiler: The first thing he does is to go and wash his hands.]]

[[WMG: Corollary to the above: Michael [[spoiler:didn't murder Lucille 2]]]]
[[spoiler: At the carnival, Michael runs into Lucille's brother, who's putting on Tobias's Fantastic Four musical. Buster was meant to be playing The Thing, but when we see the play later, whoever's in the costume doesn't seem to have a giant hand. Maybe that was how Michael 'debased himself' to buy more time in paying back the debt?]]
* [[spoiler: If Buster was too preoccupied to take up the role, then who else was in that suit...]]
* However, since Michael [[spoiler: was force-fed a forget-me-now and won't remember the night, he'll spend the next episode/season/movie thinking that he did it.]]

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[[WMG: Sally Sitwell Gob [[spoiler: Murdered Lucille Austero and pinned the murder on Buster]]]]
Evidence:
*
has always been gay but was too stupid/stubborn to realize it]]]]
SEASON 4 SPOILERS
[[spoiler: Lucille 2's body vanishes from the stairs. The character most likely to pull off an illusion like that is Gob slept with/fell in love with Tony Wonder (or possibly Gob, but he has no motive to kill Lucille 2. Plus the illusion actually ''works''.) We know Tony is involved with Sally, and that the next day he's taken a Forget-Me-Now -- maybe that wasn't because he was ashamed of what happened with Gob but because Sally drugged him to cover her tracks? ETA: It looks like the time on the video jumps by 5 minutes between shots, meaning there'd be time for the body to be moved. However, the reveal that Tony's taken a Forget-Me-Now is still weirdly placed (if that was only meant to wrap up his storyline with Gob it could have been in the 'next time' segment of episode 11 rather than right at the end of the season)]]
** [[spoiler: Whilst Sally has motivation - she did steal money from Lucille 2 - and
it's possible she organized the crime, both Tony and Sally have an alibi. Given that Michael returns to the model home to find GOB after he and Tony have slept together, that means they must have been at the house for some time. GOB leaves Cinco de Cuatro before Lucille 2's murder, and Tony arrives not long after him. Both of them have a pretty solid alibi since the whole thing was taped on the to ''To Catch a Predator'' cameras. As for Sally, [[http://lydiduh.tumblr.com/post/58934313174/food-for-thought-that-i-hadnt-seen-anyone-point she can be seen at Lindsay's speech]]. This gives Sally an alibi as well. Tony taking a Forget-Me-Now is more likely a parallel to GOB's earlier consumption of them whenever he felt shame, which is why its at the end of the season rather than at the end of GOB's episode. Since getting another season and/or a movie is pretty much a done deal, TPTB don't have to wrap everything up and can leave on a cliffhanger; because of this, each character is brought to their lowest point (Michael and George-Michael are against each other, Lindsay has turned if him being suddenly into Lucille, etc). GOB's lowest point men is finding happiness in someone else and then discovering that he's their shame, even if he was going to do the same thing.]]
* [[spoiler: She also wastes no time painting her name on the Staircar]]

[[WMG: Maeby will hire Bob Loblaw [[spoiler: to get her off the statutory rape charges.]]]]
He succeeds.

[[WMG: Micheal [[spoiler:murdered Lucille 2, but forgot because of GOB's roofies]]]]
* [[spoiler: It was accident Michael shoved her out of anger and frustration, due to here vertigo she fell down the staircar.]]
The evidence?
* [[spoiler:When Michael first enters the model home, he is clearly distressed.]]
* [[spoiler: He's wearing
a different shirt, a Banana stand shirt, when he arrives at the model home.]]
* [[spoiler:The narrator says that
new thing. Hell, Michael had done something actually exclaimed that he regretted had always known about Gob. While not as overt as Tobias' several upon several Freudian slips, Gob has had his fair share of them. In episode 5, he actually has an exchange with Lucille. It's initially implied Tobias who says that Gob looks like how he feels and Gob says in a rather weary voice "Gay?" which was originally construed as just yet another gag about how everybody thinks Tobias is gay, but in retrospect could've been Gob acknowledging that he slept was at least at that moment. Even during the original run, there were some hints. Like how he pointed to Poof magazine which had Tony Wonder on the cover and said "I should be in this Poof" (poof being slang for a gay man), his hitting on Gary about his mouth and ass and then testing his new chair with her, but we later learned that she turned him down]]
* [[spoiler:He had one of the strongest motives to want her dead.]]
* [[spoiler: The first thing he does is to go and wash
Gary on his hands.]]

[[WMG: Corollary to the above: Michael [[spoiler:didn't murder Lucille 2]]]]
[[spoiler: At the carnival, Michael runs into Lucille's brother, who's putting on Tobias's Fantastic Four musical. Buster was meant to be playing The Thing, but
lap, lying about sleeping with women, crying after sleeping with women, his lack of standards when we see the play later, whoever's in the costume doesn't seem it came to have a giant hand. Maybe that was how Michael 'debased himself' to buy more time in paying back the debt?]]
* [[spoiler: If Buster was too preoccupied to take up the role, then who else was in that suit...]]
* However, since Michael [[spoiler: was force-fed a forget-me-now and won't remember the night, he'll spend the next episode/season/movie thinking that
women he did it.]]
sleep with, the list goes on]]



[[WMG: Gob [[spoiler: has always been gay but was too stupid/stubborn to realize it]]]]
SEASON 4 SPOILERS
[[spoiler: Gob slept with/fell in love with Tony Wonder but it's not as if him being suddenly into men is a new thing. Hell, Michael had actually exclaimed that he had always known about Gob. While not as overt as Tobias' several upon several Freudian slips, Gob has had his fair share of them. In episode 5, he actually has an exchange with Tobias who says that Gob looks like how he feels and Gob says in a rather weary voice "Gay?" which was originally construed as just yet another gag about how everybody thinks Tobias is gay, but in retrospect could've been Gob acknowledging that he was at least at that moment. Even during the original run, there were some hints. Like how he pointed to Poof magazine which had Tony Wonder on the cover and said "I should be in this Poof" (poof being slang for a gay man), his hitting on Gary about his mouth and ass and then testing his new chair with Gary on his lap, lying about sleeping with women, crying after sleeping with women, his lack of standards when it came to women he did sleep with, the list goes on]]



[[WMG: [[spoiler:Ann's child]] really is GOB's child.]]
In Season 4, [[spoiler: in the scene after the one where Ann sleeps with GOB, he's eating scrambled eggs that Ann prepared for him, which the camera blatantly lingers on before moving to the next scene. A joke regarding one of her nicknames, yes...but later in that episode, GOB tells Michael that after they slept together once, she "let herself go," and "her stomach is out to here." Again, Steve Holt in the same episode assumes that Job has another son. And her child ''was'' born in the right timeframe, even if she insists the father is Tony Wonder.]] It struck me as such blatant foreshadowing when I first watched it, I was stunned that there was no reveal.
* I thought it was obvious the child is GOB's.
* Technically, the timeframe's not right for [[spoiler: the kid to be GOB's. He says he's only slept with Ann one time, the night of the Queen Mary party. That's in November (since the family meeting is three months later, and seven weeks since Christmas). After that meeting, Lindsay and Tobias buy a house, which they abandon the same week as GOB's wedding. Since they spent at least one Thanksgiving in that house, there's over a year between the boat party and the wedding and the baby should have been born already. However, that's far from the only inconsistency in the s4 timeline so... yeah, the intention is probably that it's GOB's kid. Or that like Maggie Lizer's cops, GOB and Tony will end up raising the kid together without knowing for sure which one of them is the father.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:GOB's night with Tony Wonder is going to become major evidence in the investigation of Lucille 2's murder.]]]]
We're told multiple times that it's being captured on camera. [[spoiler:Tony either doesn't want to remember it or has been made to forget it.]] It would be [[spoiler:a huge scandal for GOB and the company]] if it came to light, but the timestamp would provide them both with [[spoiler:an alibi.]] Keeping with [[spoiler:GOB's]] arc of not running away from his feelings/problems, it just makes narrative sense.

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[[WMG: [[spoiler:Ann's child]] really is GOB's child.]]
In Season 4,
Maeby will hire Bob Loblaw [[spoiler: in to get her off the scene after the one where Ann sleeps with GOB, he's eating scrambled eggs that Ann prepared for him, which the camera blatantly lingers on before moving to the next scene. A joke regarding one of her nicknames, yes...but later in that episode, GOB tells Michael that after they slept together once, she "let herself go," and "her stomach is out to here." Again, Steve Holt in the same episode assumes that Job has another son. And her child ''was'' born in the right timeframe, even if she insists the father is Tony Wonder.]] It struck me as such blatant foreshadowing when I first watched it, I was stunned that there was no reveal.
* I thought it was obvious the child is GOB's.
* Technically, the timeframe's not right for [[spoiler: the kid to be GOB's. He says he's only slept with Ann one time, the night of the Queen Mary party. That's in November (since the family meeting is three months later, and seven weeks since Christmas). After that meeting, Lindsay and Tobias buy a house, which they abandon the same week as GOB's wedding. Since they spent at least one Thanksgiving in that house, there's over a year between the boat party and the wedding and the baby should have been born already. However, that's far from the only inconsistency in the s4 timeline so... yeah, the intention is probably that it's GOB's kid. Or that like Maggie Lizer's cops, GOB and Tony will end up raising the kid together without knowing for sure which one of them is the father.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:GOB's night with Tony Wonder is going to become major evidence in the investigation of Lucille 2's murder.
statutory rape charges.]]]]
We're told multiple times that it's being captured on camera. [[spoiler:Tony either doesn't want to remember it or has been made to forget it.]] It would be [[spoiler:a huge scandal for GOB and the company]] if it came to light, but the timestamp would provide them both with [[spoiler:an alibi.]] Keeping with [[spoiler:GOB's]] arc of not running away from his feelings/problems, it just makes narrative sense.
He succeeds.



[[WMG: [[spoiler:Ann's child]] really is GOB's child.]]
In Season 4, [[spoiler: in the scene after the one where Ann sleeps with GOB, he's eating scrambled eggs that Ann prepared for him, which the camera blatantly lingers on before moving to the next scene. A joke regarding one of her nicknames, yes...but later in that episode, GOB tells Michael that after they slept together once, she "let herself go," and "her stomach is out to here." Again, Steve Holt in the same episode assumes that Job has another son. And her child ''was'' born in the right timeframe, even if she insists the father is Tony Wonder.]] It struck me as such blatant foreshadowing when I first watched it, I was stunned that there was no reveal.
* I thought it was obvious the child is GOB's.
* Technically, the timeframe's not right for [[spoiler: the kid to be GOB's. He says he's only slept with Ann one time, the night of the Queen Mary party. That's in November (since the family meeting is three months later, and seven weeks since Christmas). After that meeting, Lindsay and Tobias buy a house, which they abandon the same week as GOB's wedding. Since they spent at least one Thanksgiving in that house, there's over a year between the boat party and the wedding and the baby should have been born already. However, that's far from the only inconsistency in the s4 timeline so... yeah, the intention is probably that it's GOB's kid. Or that like Maggie Lizer's cops, GOB and Tony will end up raising the kid together without knowing for sure which one of them is the father.]]
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[[folder:Season 4: Who killed [[spoiler: Lucille 2?]]]]
[[WMG: Sally Sitwell [[spoiler: Murdered Lucille Austero and pinned the murder on Buster]]]]
Evidence:
* [[spoiler: Lucille 2's body vanishes from the stairs. The character most likely to pull off an illusion like that is Tony Wonder (or possibly Gob, but he has no motive to kill Lucille 2. Plus the illusion actually ''works''.) We know Tony is involved with Sally, and that the next day he's taken a Forget-Me-Now -- maybe that wasn't because he was ashamed of what happened with Gob but because Sally drugged him to cover her tracks? ETA: It looks like the time on the video jumps by 5 minutes between shots, meaning there'd be time for the body to be moved. However, the reveal that Tony's taken a Forget-Me-Now is still weirdly placed (if that was only meant to wrap up his storyline with Gob it could have been in the 'next time' segment of episode 11 rather than right at the end of the season)]]
** [[spoiler: Whilst Sally has motivation - she did steal money from Lucille 2 - and it's possible she organized the crime, both Tony and Sally have an alibi. Given that Michael returns to the model home to find GOB after he and Tony have slept together, that means they must have been at the house for some time. GOB leaves Cinco de Cuatro before Lucille 2's murder, and Tony arrives not long after him. Both of them have a pretty solid alibi since the whole thing was taped on the to ''To Catch a Predator'' cameras. As for Sally, [[http://lydiduh.tumblr.com/post/58934313174/food-for-thought-that-i-hadnt-seen-anyone-point she can be seen at Lindsay's speech]]. This gives Sally an alibi as well. Tony taking a Forget-Me-Now is more likely a parallel to GOB's earlier consumption of them whenever he felt shame, which is why its at the end of the season rather than at the end of GOB's episode. Since getting another season and/or a movie is pretty much a done deal, TPTB don't have to wrap everything up and can leave on a cliffhanger; because of this, each character is brought to their lowest point (Michael and George-Michael are against each other, Lindsay has turned into Lucille, etc). GOB's lowest point is finding happiness in someone else and then discovering that he's their shame, even if he was going to do the same thing.]]
* [[spoiler: She also wastes no time painting her name on the Staircar]]

[[WMG: Michael [[spoiler:murdered Lucille 2, but forgot because of GOB's roofies]]]]
* [[spoiler: It was accident Michael shoved her out of anger and frustration, due to here vertigo she fell down the staircar.]]
The evidence?
* [[spoiler:When Michael first enters the model home, he is clearly distressed.]]
* [[spoiler: He's wearing a different shirt, a Banana stand shirt, when he arrives at the model home.]]
* [[spoiler:The narrator says that Michael had done something that he regretted with Lucille. It's initially implied that he slept with her, but we later learned that she turned him down]]
* [[spoiler:He had one of the strongest motives to want her dead.]]
* [[spoiler: The first thing he does is to go and wash his hands.]]

[[WMG: Corollary to the above: Michael [[spoiler:didn't murder Lucille 2]]]]
[[spoiler: At the carnival, Michael runs into Lucille's brother, who's putting on Tobias's Fantastic Four musical. Buster was meant to be playing The Thing, but when we see the play later, whoever's in the costume doesn't seem to have a giant hand. Maybe that was how Michael 'debased himself' to buy more time in paying back the debt?]]
* [[spoiler: If Buster was too preoccupied to take up the role, then who else was in that suit...]]
* However, since Michael [[spoiler: was force-fed a forget-me-now and won't remember the night, he'll spend the next episode/season/movie thinking that he did it.]]

[[WMG: [[spoiler:GOB's night with Tony Wonder is going to become major evidence in the investigation of Lucille 2's murder.]]]]
We're told multiple times that it's being captured on camera. [[spoiler:Tony either doesn't want to remember it or has been made to forget it.]] It would be [[spoiler:a huge scandal for GOB and the company]] if it came to light, but the timestamp would provide them both with [[spoiler:an alibi.]] Keeping with [[spoiler:GOB's]] arc of not running away from his feelings/problems, it just makes narrative sense.




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After The End refers to a post-apocalyptic story setting. So unless the theory is that Tobias and Barry somehow survive the apocalypse and end up falling for each other, it\'s not wuite used right :P


[[WMG:Tobias and Barry Zuckerkorn become gay lovers AfterTheEnd.]]

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[[WMG:Tobias and Barry Zuckerkorn become gay lovers AfterTheEnd.after the end of the series.]]
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* [[spoiler: At Cinco Lucille finds out that Lucille 2 had been sleeping with Oscar, whom Lucille 1 had also been sleeping with. Lucille is the one who calls GOB about Lucille 2's disappearance, and she doesn't exactly sound distressed. The company stuff and the fact that Lucille 2 is the reason Lucille 1 went to prison in the first place, she is almost tied with Michael as far as motive goes.]]

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* [[spoiler: We never see her body, and there's a jump in the time stamp on the tape. Sally Sitwell believes she's been taken care of, but there's a misunderstanding and she's actually fine, but had to leave Cinco early for unknown reasons. Michael's being a mess and changing his clothes is related to a flashback the audience simply hasn't seen yet. The red of the stairs is not her blood, but something related to her fake disappearance.]]

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* [[spoiler: We never see her body, and there's a jump in the time stamp on the tape. Sally Sitwell believes she's been taken care of, but there's a misunderstanding and she's actually fine, but had to leave Cinco early for unknown reasons. Michael's being a mess and changing his clothes is related to a flashback the audience simply hasn't seen yet. The red of the stairs is not her blood, but something related to her fake disappearance.]]
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* [[spoiler: We never see her body, and there's a jump in the time stamp on the tape. Sally Sitwell believes she's been taken care of, but there's a misunderstanding and she's actually fine, but had to leave Cinco early for unknown reasons. Michael's being a mess and changing his clothes is related to a flashback the audience simply hasn't seen yet. The red of the stairs is not her blood, but something related to her fake disappearance.]]
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: Lucille Bluth killed Lucille 2.]]]]

* [[spoiler: At Cinco Lucille finds out that Lucille 2 had been sleeping with Oscar, whom Lucille 1 had also been sleeping with. Lucille is the one who calls GOB about Lucille 2's disappearance, and she doesn't exactly sound distressed. The company stuff and the fact that Lucille 2 is the reason Lucille 1 went to prison in the first place, she is almost tied with Michael as far as motive goes.]]
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* WordOfGod says [[http://www.npr.org/templates/transcript/transcript.php?storyId=187343353 he's not gay]], but doesn't clarify whether or not he's heterosexual, either.
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* Seemingly confirmed in season 4, where he clearly falls in love with a woman. [[spoiler: Having the family finally tell him about his AmbiguouslyGay characteristics led to a couple of behavior changes that also halfway cleared up the issue of his sexuality.]]
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*Despite his disguises and impersonations being poor quality, he clearly still manages to blend in with his surroundings and fool most other people, including Lucille Bluth. Handy skills for a member of the Cabal to have.
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** [[spoiler: Whilst Sally has motivation - she did steal money from Lucille 2 - and it's possible she organized the crime, both Tony and Sally have an alibi. Given that Michael returns to the model home to find GOB after he and Tony have slept together, that means they must have been at the house for some time. GOB leaves Cinco de Cuatro before Lucille 2's murder, and Tony arrives not long after him. Both of them have a pretty solid alibi since the whole thing was taped on the to ''To Catch a Predator'' cameras. As for Sally, [[http://lydiduh.tumblr.com/post/58934313174/food-for-thought-that-i-hadnt-seen-anyone-point she can be seen at Lindsay's speech]]. This gives Sally an alibi as well. Tony taking a Forget-Me-Now is more likely a parallel to GOB's earlier consumption of them whenever he felt shame, which is why its at the end of the season rather than at the end of GOB's episode. Since getting another season and/or a movie is pretty much a done deal, TPTB don't have to wrap everything up and can leave on a cliffhanger; because of this, each character is brought to their lowest point (Michael and George-Michael are against each other, Lindsay has turned into Lucille, etc). GOB's lowest point is finding happiness in someone else and then discovering that he's their shame, even if he was going to do the same thing.]]

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* Technically, the timeframe's not right for [[spoiler: the kid to be GOB's. He says he's only slept with Ann one time, the night of the Queen Mary party. That's in November (since the family meeting is three months later, and seven weeks since Christmas). After that meeting, Lindsay and Tobias buy a house, which they abandon the same week as GOB's wedding. Since they spent at least one Thanksgiving in that house, there's over a year between the boat party and the wedding and the baby should have been born already. However, that's far from the only inconsistency in the s4 timeline so... yeah, the intention is probably that it's GOB's kid. Or that like Maggie Lizer's cops, GOB and Tony will end up raising the kid together without knowing for sure which one of them is the father.]]
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** Except sometimes his narration makes them look worse.
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* Or GOB is somehow Maeby's father. They both are very similar in both intelligence and personalty. Both lie and manipulate constantly and both feel under appreciated by their parents. Also, both Gob and Maeby believe that Portugal is in South America.
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* To elaborate on this [[spoiler: twin sister thing: a very young Michael mentions Tracey in a flashback, so they knew each other as teens and likely went to the same school. We see GOB's yearbook in one episode, and close to his picture are identical twins called Tracy and Stacy, whose mutual ambition seems to be "get away from sister". We know that Rebel is Ron Howard's illegitimate daughter but not who her mother is, and 'Alley' is her middle name, not her surname. Michael mentions the strong resemblance to his wife several times and twins are a running theme throughout season 4. One thing going against this is the spelling of 'Tracy' in the yearbook, but some of the boxes in the Bluth family attic do have that spelling.]]
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* Buster will consult with [[Series/{{NUMB3RS}} an FBI consultant named Charlie Eppes]];
* George Sr. will [[Film/{{MuppetsFromSpace}} become the put-upon head of an alien-monitoring agency]], while Oscar [[Film/{{Hellboy}} will become the put-upon head of a paranormal investigation team]]. Or maybe I got those the wrong way round.
* Only George Michael, being too young, will be left alone and placed in a witness protection programme - though [[Film/{{ScottPilgrimVsTheWorld}} he won't be exactly immune from the strange and paranormal either]].

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* Buster will consult work closely with [[Series/{{NUMB3RS}} an FBI consultant named Charlie Eppes]];
* George Sr. will [[Film/{{MuppetsFromSpace}} become the put-upon head of an a secret alien-monitoring agency]], while Oscar [[Film/{{Hellboy}} will become the put-upon head of a secret paranormal investigation team]]. Or maybe I got those the wrong way round.
* Only George Michael, being too young, will be left alone and placed in a witness protection programme - though [[Film/{{ScottPilgrimVsTheWorld}} he won't be exactly immune safe from the strange and paranormal either]].
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[[WMG: At some point in the future, the men of the Bluth family are forced into paranormal government work.]]

Possibly in order to pay back for their massive tax debt, the Bluth men are all drafted into service to their country under false names and identities.
* Michael [[Film/{{Paul}} will be made to monitor a small "Grey" named Paul]], who will get him back together with Maggie;
* Tobias will work closely with [[Film/{{MenInBlack}} another agency dedicated to protecting aliens and the paranormal]], eventually getting GOB a job with them as the equally-unlikely-named Agent AA;
* Buster will consult with [[Series/{{NUMB3RS}} an FBI consultant named Charlie Eppes]];
* George Sr. will [[Film/{{MuppetsFromSpace}} become the put-upon head of an alien-monitoring agency]], while Oscar [[Film/{{Hellboy}} will become the put-upon head of a paranormal investigation team]]. Or maybe I got those the wrong way round.
* Only George Michael, being too young, will be left alone and placed in a witness protection programme - though [[Film/{{ScottPilgrimVsTheWorld}} he won't be exactly immune from the strange and paranormal either]].
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* ThisTroper seconds, I thought it was obvious the child is GOB's.

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* ThisTroper seconds, I thought it was obvious the child is GOB's.

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** Ann and Gob eventually go all the way, so...oh boy.



* Or, much more likely...
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* Assuming the "documentary" is produced by Ron Howard in-universe (and season 4 offers that as the most likely possibility), it'd seem odd for him to try to make the Bluth's look good. He has a lot of reasons to dislike the Bluths. He might be trying to make them look pitiful, in the literal and bad sense of the word.
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[[WMG: [[spoiler:GOB's night with Tony Wonder is going to become major evidence in [[spoiler:the investigation of Lucille 2's murder.]]]]

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We're told multiple times that it's being captured on camera. [[spoiler:Tony either doesn't want to remember it or has been made to forget it.]] It would be [[spoiler:a huge scandal for GOB and the company]] if it came to light, but the timestamp would provide them both with [[spoiler:an alibi.]] Keeping with [[spoiler:GOB's]] arc of not running away from his feelings/problems, it just makes narrative sense.
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In Season 4, [[spoiler: in the scene after the one where Ann sleeps with GOB, he's eating scrambled eggs that Ann prepared for him, which the camera blatantly lingers on before moving to the next scene. A joke regarding one of her nicknames, yes...but later in that episode, GOB tells Michael that after they slept together once, she "let herself go," and "her stomach is out to here," and her child ''was'' born in the right timeframe, even if she insists the father is Tony Wonder.]]

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In Season 4, [[spoiler: in the scene after the one where Ann sleeps with GOB, he's eating scrambled eggs that Ann prepared for him, which the camera blatantly lingers on before moving to the next scene. A joke regarding one of her nicknames, yes...but later in that episode, GOB tells Michael that after they slept together once, she "let herself go," and "her stomach is out to here," and here." Again, Steve Holt in the same episode assumes that Job has another son. And her child ''was'' born in the right timeframe, even if she insists the father is Tony Wonder.]]
]] It struck me as such blatant foreshadowing when I first watched it, I was stunned that there was no reveal.
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* However, since Michael [[spoiler: was force-fed a forget-me-now and won't remember the night, he'll spend the next episode/season/movie thinking that he did it.]]
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** In the "On The Next..." segment at the end of that episode, it's implied that Maggie is pregnany with Michael's child due to their break-up sex. Of course, the canon status of those segments is rather changeable.

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