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10th Mar '18 4:11:00 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The inevitable TimeLord WMG....]]
* The Alien in the first movie is a TimeLord. ''Kane'' is his TARDIS!

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[[WMG: The inevitable TimeLord JustForFun/TimeLord WMG....]]
* The Alien in the first movie is a TimeLord.JustForFun/TimeLord. ''Kane'' is his TARDIS!
17th Sep '17 3:24:47 AM Doug86
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Aliens stay close to base (stay at home), have babies, and the movies repeatedly emphasize their blood (this emphasis is [[VGCats recurring, if you will]]). Predators go out and hunt (bring home the bacon), [[FreudWasRight impale things with their mighty spears]], and spend most of their time [[TimTaylorTechnology playing with their fancy, over-engineered toys]]. The Xenomorphs are also much more smoothly designed, while the Predators are spartans built for blunt utility rather than being as lithe as their counterparts. There are a few things that show the blending of gender by using criss-crossed sexual imagery, such as the Aliens' penis-skulls (their tails from the original concept art were either removed or toned down) and the Predators' [[VaginaDentata vagina-faces]].

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Aliens stay close to base (stay at home), have babies, and the movies repeatedly emphasize their blood (this emphasis is [[VGCats [[Webcomic/VGCats recurring, if you will]]). Predators go out and hunt (bring home the bacon), [[FreudWasRight impale things with their mighty spears]], and spend most of their time [[TimTaylorTechnology playing with their fancy, over-engineered toys]]. The Xenomorphs are also much more smoothly designed, while the Predators are spartans built for blunt utility rather than being as lithe as their counterparts. There are a few things that show the blending of gender by using criss-crossed sexual imagery, such as the Aliens' penis-skulls (their tails from the original concept art were either removed or toned down) and the Predators' [[VaginaDentata vagina-faces]].
2nd Sep '17 10:53:44 AM MarqFJA
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Related to the 'the Aliens are the victims' theory above, something we need to remember is that the queen of the hive, at least, is intelligent. Granted the aliens we've seen have been monsters that hunted humans, with a horrifying reproductive cycle. But consider the aliens we've seen: the alien in the first film was a drone, which appear to be nonsentient due to their willingness to ZergRush. Without a queen, it was simply operating on its (very very lethal) instincts. Then in ''Aliens'', we have a queen who is essentially a feral child: we never learn at what point the swarm of drones overtaking the colony developed a queen, but it must have been after the first drones started hatching. From the time she was born she was fighting humans, and shortly thereafter she was entirely alone. Small wonder she went insane: you could almost parallel her situation to Newt's, except that Newt was 'older'. In the third it's just drones again, and in the fourth the queen had been raised in a lab being experimented on and tortured. In that case she wasn't too innocent to know better, she had LEARNED that HumansAreTheRealMonsters. But raising xemonmorphs using animals as hosts, and actually raising the Queen instead of letting her grow up a PsychopathicManchild with good reason to hate humans, might work out just fine. As long as the queen agrees that you can't use people as hosts there's really no more problem: she can raise other Queens herself, and the aliens can actually form a society with humans and each other (on a hive to hive basis). It's like Digger says: someone must teach them to be good.

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Related to the 'the Aliens are the victims' theory above, something we need to remember is that the queen of the hive, at least, is intelligent. Granted the aliens we've seen have been monsters that hunted humans, with a horrifying reproductive cycle. But consider the aliens we've seen: the alien in the first film was a drone, which appear to be nonsentient due to their willingness to ZergRush. Without a queen, it was simply operating on its (very very lethal) instincts. Then in ''Aliens'', we have a queen who is essentially a feral child: we never learn at what point the swarm of drones overtaking the colony developed a queen, but it must have been after the first drones started hatching. From the time she was born she was fighting humans, and shortly thereafter she was entirely alone. Small wonder she went insane: you could almost parallel her situation to Newt's, except that Newt was 'older'. In the third it's just drones again, and in the fourth the queen had been raised in a lab being experimented on and tortured. In that case she wasn't too innocent to know better, she had LEARNED that HumansAreTheRealMonsters. But raising xemonmorphs xenomorphs using animals as hosts, and actually raising the Queen instead of letting her grow up a PsychopathicManchild with good reason to hate humans, might work out just fine. As long as the queen agrees that you can't use people as hosts there's really no more problem: she can raise other Queens herself, and the aliens can actually form a society with humans and each other (on a hive to hive basis). It's like Digger says: someone must teach them to be good.
2nd Sep '17 10:50:01 AM MarqFJA
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** Where can this picture be found?



* [[FridgeLogic What good would replacing one enemy with an even stronger and more dangerous one do?]]
** The Xenomorphs would be landlocked and unable to use (external) weapons. Bombardment from a safe distance would work more smoothly on them than it would on a sentient technological race ("It's the only way to be sure."}, for they'll have no anti-aircraft missiles.
** ^ Not to mention they stick closely to their hives with only a few scouts out for more hosts/food. It is easier to replace a spread out population of tens of billions to one of billions that reside in large hives that are easy to spot and destroy with orbital bombardment.
** The Aliens have a really short life-cycle, or at least they did in the first film. By the end of the film, when it's hiding in the shuttle and not doing a hell of a lot when Ripley disturbs it, it's getting ready to die.
*** Or is just sleepy - it had a long and busy day after all.
** And in Aliens they're in hibernation as there is a distinct lack of human hosts for them. Only a few are active, and at night; otherwise Newt would have been long dead.
*** Because they mostly come out at night.....mostly.
** There's also that if you can genetically engineer the Xenomorphs into existence, you can potentially build in any number of hidden weaknesses you can use to get rid of them. The Space Jockeys probably had some tailored anti-Xenomorph chemical weapon they could just use to flood the zone after the Xenos had done their work of wrecking their enemy's colony.
** This is only a problem if you assume the Space Jockeys want the planets they've bombed. Area denial might be the more important concern.

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* [[FridgeLogic ** Now, you may be asking yourself: "[[FridgeLogic What good would replacing one enemy with an even stronger and more dangerous one do?]]
** The
do?]]" Well, the Xenomorphs would be landlocked and unable to use (external) weapons. Bombardment from a safe distance would work more smoothly on them than it would on a sentient technological race ("It's the only way to be sure."}, for they'll have no anti-aircraft missiles.
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missiles. Not to mention they stick closely to their hives with only a few scouts out for more hosts/food. It is easier to replace a spread out population of tens of billions to one of billions that reside in large hives that are easy to spot and destroy with orbital bombardment. \n** The Also, the Aliens have a really short life-cycle, or at least they did in the first film. By the end of the film, when it's hiding in the shuttle and not doing a hell of a lot when Ripley disturbs it, it's getting ready to die.
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die. Or is just sleepy - it had a long and busy day after all.
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all. And in Aliens ''Aliens'' they're in hibernation as there is a distinct lack of human hosts for them. Only a few are active, and at night; night (mostly); otherwise Newt would have been long dead.
*** Because they mostly come out at night.....mostly.
** There's also that the fact if you can genetically engineer the Xenomorphs into existence, you can potentially build in any number of hidden weaknesses you can use to get rid of them. The Space Jockeys probably had some tailored anti-Xenomorph chemical weapon they could just use to flood the zone after the Xenos had done their work of wrecking their enemy's colony.
** This is only a problem
colony. And that's if you assume the Space Jockeys want the planets they've bombed. Area bombed; area denial might be the more important concern.



The non-[[FaceFullOfAlienWingWong Facehugger]] Xenomorphs can quite easily be seen to fit, say, the model of a velociraptor, though tweaked into something a bit more disturbing. Where, then, does the Jellyfish come from? Jellies, along with Anenomes, Coral, and Hydra, are Cnidarians. Cnidarians are notable in that most of them have a life cycle that involves ''two different types of organism,'' though one is usually dominant. Instead of "impregnating" humans, Facehuggers (the Zygote form of the Xenomorph Cnidatian) shoot out a Larva which develops into a parasitic polyp which buds a single Chestburster before dying with its host.

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The non-[[FaceFullOfAlienWingWong Facehugger]] Xenomorphs can quite easily be seen to fit, say, the model of a velociraptor, though tweaked into something a bit more disturbing. Where, then, does the Jellyfish come from? Jellies, along with Anenomes, Coral, and Hydra, are Cnidarians. Cnidarians are notable in that most of them have a life cycle that involves ''two different types of organism,'' though one is usually dominant. Instead of "impregnating" humans, Facehuggers (the Zygote form of the Xenomorph Cnidatian) Cnidarian) shoot out a Larva which develops into a parasitic polyp which buds a single Chestburster before dying with its host.
29th Jun '17 7:06:17 PM CB2001
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*** To be fair, [[spoiler: Veronica Cartwright stated on the audio commentary of the film that the original version of events in the film was that after Parker was killed by the alien, Ripley finds Lambert in the same locker that she, Parker and Brett found Jonesy The Cat in earlier in the film. She explained that she didn't even know that her character was 'raped' by the Alien until she saw it at the premiere. The leg you see the tail wrap around in the theatrical cut and the director's cut is actually Brett's leg from the earlier scene when he is attacked by the Alien (Lambert wears cowboy boots throughout her time in the film and the leg you see is wearing low-cut white Chuck Taylors like Brett is wearing). Also, in a cut version of the scene with Ash's head on the table originally had dialogue where Ash actually accuses the crew of not making an attempt to try to communicate with it. The scene was reshot due to Scott not liking how the android insides looked, and the dialogue was re-written).]] So, it is within plausibility that it originally was meant to come off as such.

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*** To be fair, [[spoiler: Veronica Cartwright stated on the audio commentary of the film that the original version of events in the film was that after Parker was killed by the alien, Ripley finds Lambert in the same locker that she, Parker and Brett found Jonesy The Cat in earlier in the film.film, having died from fright after escaping from the alien and hiding. She explained that she didn't even know that her character was 'raped' by the Alien until she saw it at the premiere. The leg you see the tail wrap around in the theatrical cut and the director's cut is actually Brett's leg from the earlier scene when he is attacked by the Alien (Lambert wears cowboy boots throughout her time in the film and the leg you see is wearing low-cut white Chuck Taylors like Brett is wearing). Also, in a cut version of the scene with Ash's head on the table originally had dialogue where Ash actually accuses the crew of not making an attempt to try to communicate with it. The scene was reshot due to Scott not liking how the android insides looked, and the dialogue was re-written).]] So, it is within plausibility that it originally was meant to come off as such.
29th Jun '17 7:04:34 PM CB2001
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*** To be fair, [[spoiler: Veronica Cartwright stated on the audio commentary of the film that the original version of events in the film was that after Parker was killed by the alien, Ripley finds Lambert in the same locker that she, Parker and Brett found Jonesy The Cat in earlier in the film. She explained that she didn't even know that her character was 'raped' by the Alien until she saw it at the premiere. The leg you see the tail wrap around in the theatrical cut and the director's cut is actually Brett's leg from the earlier scene when he is attacked by the Alien (Lambert wears cowboy boots throughout her time in the film and the leg you see is wearing low-cut white Chuck Taylors like Brett is wearing). Also, in a cut version of the scene with Ash's head on the table originally had dialogue where Ash actually accuses the crew of not making an attempt to try to communicate with it. The scene was reshot due to Scott not liking how the android insides looked, and the dialogue was re-written).]] So, it is within plausibility that it originally was meant to come off as such.
21st May '17 8:59:47 PM cluosborne
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[[WMG: Someone is playing the LongGame to destory Humanity and is responsible for the events in Alien]]

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[[WMG: Someone is playing the LongGame to destory destroy Humanity and is responsible for the events in Alien]]
21st May '17 8:49:35 PM cluosborne
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: David]] is playing the LongGame to destory Humanity and is responsible for the events in Alien]]
Consider that Special Order 937 has no signature or name associated with it. Mind you, that's not surprising considering the circumstances, but Ash would have to know who he was delivering the lifeform to when they arrived at Earth. Everyone assumed that the order came from some higher-up at the Company, but such orders could be easily spoofed (e-mails can be made to look like it came from a legit source). [[spoiler: By the end of Covenant, David now has full control of the colony ship and full access to the onboard computer. Therefore, he has a backdoor into Weyland-Yutani's computer network. He could have been the one who wrote Special Order 937 and put Ash on the Nostromo.]] Some of what Ash says about the Xenomorph are in line with what [[spoiler: David]] would say. It would also explain why the [[spoiler: board of inquiry in Aliens didn't find any evidence or gaps in data on what happened. It wasn't a coverup, it was David acting to ensure his plan wasn't derailed.]]

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: David]] Someone is playing the LongGame to destory Humanity and is responsible for the events in Alien]]
Consider that Special Order 937 has no signature or name associated with it. Mind you, that's not surprising considering the circumstances, but Ash would have to know who or where he was delivering the lifeform to when they arrived at Earth. Everyone assumed that the order came from some higher-up at the Company, but such orders could be easily spoofed (e-mails can be made to look like it came from a legit source). [[spoiler: By the end of Covenant, David now has full control of the colony ship and full access to the onboard computer. Therefore, he has a backdoor into Weyland-Yutani's computer network. He could have been the one who wrote Special Order 937 and put Ash on the Nostromo.]] Some of what Ash says about the Xenomorph are in line with what [[spoiler: David]] would say. It would also explain why the [[spoiler: board of inquiry in Aliens didn't find any evidence or gaps in data on what happened. It wasn't a coverup, it was David acting to ensure his plan wasn't derailed.]]
21st May '17 8:44:50 PM cluosborne
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Is not an Engineer, but [[spoiler:David from ''Prometheus''. It's been noted by some viewers that David's internal structure in ''Alien: Covenent'' seems to be more advanced than in ''Prometheus'' or Ash in the original ''Alien'', so it's possible that David has been modifying or upgrading himself -- possibly with Engineer tech -- into a sort of biomechanical cyborg in order to surpass his creator's vision of him. Bridging the gap between ''Alien: Covenant'' and ''Alien'', David returns to LV-223 to hijack another Engineer ship and carry the Xenomorphs and Chemical A0-3959X.91 15 pathogen to Earth, but in a delicious, karmic twist of irony winds up a victim of his own creation and crashes on the nearby LV-426, dying to give birth to the first of the classic biomechanical Xenomorph strain seen in the original quadrilogy, which matures into a Queen and fills the cargo hold with eggs. This would possibly explain why the prototypic Xenomorph seen in ''Alien: Covenant'' is more organic than the classic version seen in the quadrilogy]].

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Is not an Engineer, but [[spoiler:David from ''Prometheus''. It's been noted by some viewers that David's internal structure in ''Alien: Covenent'' seems to be more advanced than in ''Prometheus'' or Ash in the original ''Alien'', so it's possible that David has been modifying or upgrading himself -- possibly with Engineer tech -- into a sort of biomechanical cyborg in order to surpass his creator's vision of him. Bridging the gap between ''Alien: Covenant'' and ''Alien'', David returns to LV-223 to hijack another Engineer ship and carry the Xenomorphs and Chemical A0-3959X.91 15 pathogen to Earth, but in a delicious, karmic twist of irony winds up a victim of his own creation and crashes on the nearby LV-426, dying to give birth to the first of the classic biomechanical Xenomorph strain seen in the original quadrilogy, which matures into a Queen and fills the cargo hold with eggs. This would possibly explain why the prototypic Xenomorph seen in ''Alien: Covenant'' is more organic than the classic version seen in the quadrilogy]].quadrilogy]].

[[WMG: [[spoiler: David]] is playing the LongGame to destory Humanity and is responsible for the events in Alien]]
Consider that Special Order 937 has no signature or name associated with it. Mind you, that's not surprising considering the circumstances, but Ash would have to know who he was delivering the lifeform to when they arrived at Earth. Everyone assumed that the order came from some higher-up at the Company, but such orders could be easily spoofed (e-mails can be made to look like it came from a legit source). [[spoiler: By the end of Covenant, David now has full control of the colony ship and full access to the onboard computer. Therefore, he has a backdoor into Weyland-Yutani's computer network. He could have been the one who wrote Special Order 937 and put Ash on the Nostromo.]] Some of what Ash says about the Xenomorph are in line with what [[spoiler: David]] would say. It would also explain why the [[spoiler: board of inquiry in Aliens didn't find any evidence or gaps in data on what happened. It wasn't a coverup, it was David acting to ensure his plan wasn't derailed.]]
21st May '17 12:02:38 AM Arawn999
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Specifically realities in which the events of ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'' didn't occur. In this reality, Cyberdyne systems didn't fully recover and was acquired by the Weyland Corporation sometime in 2012, rebranded as its artificial intelligence division. Weyland Corporation then scrapped plans for Skynet and focused its research on humanoid androids. This division would produce androids such as [[Film/{{Prometheus}} David]], [[Film/{{Alien}} Ash]], [[Film/{{Aliens}} Bishop]], and [[Film/AlienResurrection Call]] as sort of a spiritual successor of the original Terminator. John Connor in this timeline would father the ancestors of Ellen Ripley, making Ripley one of Sarah Connor's descendants.

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Specifically realities in which the events of ''Film/Terminator3RiseOfTheMachines'' didn't occur. In this reality, Cyberdyne systems didn't fully recover and was acquired by the Weyland Corporation sometime in 2012, rebranded as its artificial intelligence division. Weyland Corporation then scrapped plans for Skynet and focused its research on humanoid androids. This division would produce androids such as [[Film/{{Prometheus}} David]], [[Film/{{Alien}} Ash]], [[Film/{{Aliens}} Bishop]], and [[Film/AlienResurrection Call]] as sort of a spiritual successor of the original Terminator. John Connor in this timeline would father the ancestors of Ellen Ripley, making Ripley one of Sarah Connor's descendants.descendants.

[[WMG: The Space Jockey's Identity]]

Is not an Engineer, but [[spoiler:David from ''Prometheus''. It's been noted by some viewers that David's internal structure in ''Alien: Covenent'' seems to be more advanced than in ''Prometheus'' or Ash in the original ''Alien'', so it's possible that David has been modifying or upgrading himself -- possibly with Engineer tech -- into a sort of biomechanical cyborg in order to surpass his creator's vision of him. Bridging the gap between ''Alien: Covenant'' and ''Alien'', David returns to LV-223 to hijack another Engineer ship and carry the Xenomorphs and Chemical A0-3959X.91 15 pathogen to Earth, but in a delicious, karmic twist of irony winds up a victim of his own creation and crashes on the nearby LV-426, dying to give birth to the first of the classic biomechanical Xenomorph strain seen in the original quadrilogy, which matures into a Queen and fills the cargo hold with eggs. This would possibly explain why the prototypic Xenomorph seen in ''Alien: Covenant'' is more organic than the classic version seen in the quadrilogy]].
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