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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse:
** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be. He also correctly points out one of the problems with Thor's relationship with Jane: its MayflyDecemberRomance aspect, since Jane is a normal mortal and Thor is an Asgardian who could live for thousands of years. [[spoiler: (As of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' Jane and Thor have broken up, though it's not explained why.)]]
** ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'':
*** In Episode 3 of Season 1, "The Asset", genius billionaire Ian Quinn, who is revealed as morally corrupt in the same episode and later becomes even more villainous, warns Skye against SHIELD, as he is trying to recruit her to work for him. He tells her that she fits the "profile" of people SHIELD usually recruits: "You're a criminal. You have a warrant somewhere. Specialized skill set. No family. I'm sorry, I didn't meant to hit the nerve, but that's what these people do. SHIELD. They prey on loneliness and fear and desperation, and then they offer home to those who have no one else to turn to." One can't deny the truth in his words, especially after after we get to see Ward's backstory later in the season. Coulson also seems to partially fits the profile as he lost his father early and has no living family.
*** Jiayang initially seems to overreact in Season 2 at the idea of the Inhumans cooperating with SHIELD, but that SHIELD had already been revealed to have been infiltrated by HYDRA gave her some justification, moreso when it's later revealed in Season 3 that [[spoiler:HYDRA was trying to bring back a creature called Hive who could control Inhumans, and in retrospect when a listing of registered Inhumans is used as a kill-list (also in Season 3), something she had explicitly warned of.]]
** Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conquer everything in sight. While her would be followers scoff at her, Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin already did it once before. Odin was a warmonger before becoming the benevolent king everyone knows him as now. [[WrittenByTheWinners He changed history to make himself and Asgard look better]], removing all evidence of the war. and went as far as to move all the Asgardian warriors who died from their honored halls to a dark crypt to be forgotten. While he was right to imprison Hela when her desire for conquest grew insatiable, it was he who set her down that path by waging war on the other realms and making her DaddysLittleVillain in the first place. Despite her megalomania all her arguments are fairly justified.
*** While conversing with Thor before the FinalBattle, Hela points to the history Odin hide away as a sign that he covered up anything he found unpleasant. Thor doesn't deny it.
** ''Film/BlackPanther2018'': Part of Erik Killmonger's motivation is the hardship that he has seen and experienced African minority communities undergo in places like America, where their historical presence stemmed from slavery. He condemns Wakanda's isolationism policy, pointing out that the country has had the resources to assist these people in need for centuries and could have alleviated a lot of people's suffering if they intervened instead of continuing to silently support the status quo by doing nothing. [[spoiler:He inherited this attitude from his father, N'Jobu, who tried to smuggle vibranium out of Wakanda to arm African minorities and lead a violent uprising.]] T'Challa does ''not'' agree with his methods nor his ultimate goal of [[spoiler:committing mass genocide of non-African and African descended people to establish a new world order where he's in charge]], but does come to agree that Wakanda has an obligation as an African AdvancedAncientAcropolis to help out Africans in other nations who are struggling. [[spoiler:He decides to begin opening Wakandan community centers specifically for this purpose.]]
** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be. He also correctly points out one of the problems with Thor's relationship with Jane: its MayflyDecemberRomance aspect, since Jane is a normal mortal and Thor is an Asgardian who could live for thousands of years. [[spoiler: (As of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' Jane and Thor have broken up, though it's not explained why.)]]
** ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'':
*** In Episode 3 of Season 1, "The Asset", genius billionaire Ian Quinn, who is revealed as morally corrupt in the same episode and later becomes even more villainous, warns Skye against SHIELD, as he is trying to recruit her to work for him. He tells her that she fits the "profile" of people SHIELD usually recruits: "You're a criminal. You have a warrant somewhere. Specialized skill set. No family. I'm sorry, I didn't meant to hit the nerve, but that's what these people do. SHIELD. They prey on loneliness and fear and desperation, and then they offer home to those who have no one else to turn to." One can't deny the truth in his words, especially after after we get to see Ward's backstory later in the season. Coulson also seems to partially fits the profile as he lost his father early and has no living family.
*** Jiayang initially seems to overreact in Season 2 at the idea of the Inhumans cooperating with SHIELD, but that SHIELD had already been revealed to have been infiltrated by HYDRA gave her some justification, moreso when it's later revealed in Season 3 that [[spoiler:HYDRA was trying to bring back a creature called Hive who could control Inhumans, and in retrospect when a listing of registered Inhumans is used as a kill-list (also in Season 3), something she had explicitly warned of.]]
** Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conquer everything in sight. While her would be followers scoff at her, Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin already did it once before. Odin was a warmonger before becoming the benevolent king everyone knows him as now. [[WrittenByTheWinners He changed history to make himself and Asgard look better]], removing all evidence of the war. and went as far as to move all the Asgardian warriors who died from their honored halls to a dark crypt to be forgotten. While he was right to imprison Hela when her desire for conquest grew insatiable, it was he who set her down that path by waging war on the other realms and making her DaddysLittleVillain in the first place. Despite her megalomania all her arguments are fairly justified.
*** While conversing with Thor before the FinalBattle, Hela points to the history Odin hide away as a sign that he covered up anything he found unpleasant. Thor doesn't deny it.
** ''Film/BlackPanther2018'': Part of Erik Killmonger's motivation is the hardship that he has seen and experienced African minority communities undergo in places like America, where their historical presence stemmed from slavery. He condemns Wakanda's isolationism policy, pointing out that the country has had the resources to assist these people in need for centuries and could have alleviated a lot of people's suffering if they intervened instead of continuing to silently support the status quo by doing nothing. [[spoiler:He inherited this attitude from his father, N'Jobu, who tried to smuggle vibranium out of Wakanda to arm African minorities and lead a violent uprising.]] T'Challa does ''not'' agree with his methods nor his ultimate goal of [[spoiler:committing mass genocide of non-African and African descended people to establish a new world order where he's in charge]], but does come to agree that Wakanda has an obligation as an African AdvancedAncientAcropolis to help out Africans in other nations who are struggling. [[spoiler:He decides to begin opening Wakandan community centers specifically for this purpose.]]
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** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'': Features a subversion. Thanos's entire motivation is that he believes that the whole universe would soon suffer from OverpopulationCrisis like his own planet did unless he personally steps in and does something about it. It sounds like an example of this, but then one actually thinks about it, and the whole thing can be seen as [[TheyCalledMeMad insane]], [[InsaneTrollLogic short-sighted and idiotic]]. For reference, according to [[https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI this graph]] if the world's population was cut in half it would take it about 40 years, a ''molecule'' of time compared to the age of the world, to recover, and that's ''not'' taking into account the more advanced medical technology we have today that didn't exist in the 70's that would speed it up considerably. How he expected this one-time fix-all solution to do anything more than ever-so-slightly delay the inevitable shows how deluded he truly is. The subversion is taken farther in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: when 2014 Thanos discovers that the [[GenocideSurvivor surviving grief-stricken Avengers]] are trying to reverse the damage his Prime-Timeline self did in ''Infinity War''. Once he realizes that his original plan won’t work because nobody would accept half the universe’s population being killed off, he changes his plan to [[OmnicidalManiac using the Infinity Stones to destroy the universe and recreate it how he sees fit]], because he now thinks this universe is a lost cause and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he believes that the inhabitants of the new universe having no memory of those who get culled would result in them being "thankful" for Thanos's actions]]. This proves that ultimately, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Thanos is nothing more than a genocidal, power-hungry monster who's been trying to justify his countless bloodbaths]]. The subversion is taken even further when one considers that, since the Infinity Gauntlet can apparently create an entire universe, Thanos could have simply doubled the number of available resources instead of halving the universe’s population, which would have worked just as well without turning an entire universe against him]].
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When the government agency "Damage Control" took over Toomes' contract and forced him off the cleanup site, they inflicted financial hardship on him and jeopardized his ability to support his family. Toomes points out to Peter that he's young and doesn't understand that the "rich and powerful, they do whatever they want" and just don't care about "guys like us". He even points out that Tony Stark himself first made his fortune as a weapons manufacturer and ultimately claims that everything he has done has been to secure his family's future. Peter, driven by his high moral standards points that selling weapons to criminals is still wrong and while he doesn't relent in stopping Toomes' plans, it does appear some part of what he said resonated with Peter as reflected in his decision to turn down Stark's offer to join the Avengers and remain someone "to look out for the little guy".
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When the government agency "Damage Control" took over Toomes' contract and forced him off the cleanup site, they inflicted financial hardship on him and jeopardized his ability to support his family. Toomes points out to Peter that he's young and doesn't understand that the "rich and powerful, they do whatever they want" and just don't care about "guys like us". He even points out that Tony Stark himself first made his fortune as a weapons manufacturer and ultimately claims that everything he has done has been to secure his family's future. Peter, driven by his high moral standards points that selling weapons to criminals is still wrong and while he doesn't relent in stopping Toomes' plans, it does appear some part of what he said resonated with Peter as reflected in his decision to turn down Stark's offer to join the Avengers and remain someone "to look out for the little guy".
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** ''Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019'': The [[Characters/MonsterVerseEmmaRussell eco-terrorists' mastermind]] [[spoiler:Emma Russell]] who wants to forcibly release all the contained {{Kaiju}} so they can restore natural balance to Earth's ecosystems, though not at all in their right mind, actually makes several good points, with the fact TheExtremistWasRight in the ending being just one of them.
*** Although [[spoiler:Emma]] seems to overestimate humanity's capability and underestimate the Titans' NighInvulnerability, the ending shows she was at least right that the world would be a much better place if the Titans were awake and maintaining its balance. Furthermore, the ability of the military's prototype Oxygen Destroyer to severely harm Godzilla indicates she might've been ProperlyParanoid.
*** She isn't wrong that Monarch is losing the legal battle with the government to prevent the military attempting to kill the Titans before she intiates her plot, with public opinion massively favoring the government's plan (see [[Fridge/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019 Fridge Horror here]] for the possible outcomes if the government enacted their kill-the-Titans plot, none of which are very positive). Serizawa and the rest of Monarch know like [[spoiler:Emma]] that the Titans are ecologically essential and beneficial to the world, yet are doing little in the face of the [[SuicidalOverconfidence Suicidally Overconfident]] government's NukeEm pressure except attend senate meetings, to argue with politicians who are clearly shown to be deaf to reason (even Serizawa seems to know these hearings are largely an exercise in futility). She makes '''such''' a valid point here that the movie has to fall back on Mark Russell immediately calling out the sheer heinousness and insanity of her recent actions and deconstruct her underlying grief, with none of the heroes providing any kind of counter-argument to this.
*** Although [[spoiler:Emma]] seems to overestimate humanity's capability and underestimate the Titans' NighInvulnerability, the ending shows she was at least right that the world would be a much better place if the Titans were awake and maintaining its balance. Furthermore, the ability of the military's prototype Oxygen Destroyer to severely harm Godzilla indicates she might've been ProperlyParanoid.
*** She isn't wrong that Monarch is losing the legal battle with the government to prevent the military attempting to kill the Titans before she intiates her plot, with public opinion massively favoring the government's plan (see [[Fridge/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019 Fridge Horror here]] for the possible outcomes if the government enacted their kill-the-Titans plot, none of which are very positive). Serizawa and the rest of Monarch know like [[spoiler:Emma]] that the Titans are ecologically essential and beneficial to the world, yet are doing little in the face of the [[SuicidalOverconfidence Suicidally Overconfident]] government's NukeEm pressure except attend senate meetings, to argue with politicians who are clearly shown to be deaf to reason (even Serizawa seems to know these hearings are largely an exercise in futility). She makes '''such''' a valid point here that the movie has to fall back on Mark Russell immediately calling out the sheer heinousness and insanity of her recent actions and deconstruct her underlying grief, with none of the heroes providing any kind of counter-argument to this.
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** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'': Features a subversion. Thanos's entire motivation is that he believes that the whole universe would soon suffer from OverpopulationCrisis like his own planet did unless he personally steps in and does something about it. It sounds like an example of this, but then one actually thinks about it, and the whole thing can be seen as [[TheyCalledMeMad insane]], [[InsaneTrollLogic short-sighted and idiotic]]. For reference, according to [[https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI this graph]] if the world's population was cut in half it would take it about 40 years, a ''molecule'' of time compared to the age of the world, to recover, and that's ''not'' taking into account the more advanced medical technology we have today that didn't exist in the 70's that would speed it up considerably. How he expected this one-time fix-all solution to do anything more than ever-so-slightly delay the inevitable shows how deluded he truly is. The subversion is taken farther in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: when 2014 Thanos discovers that the [[GenocideSurvivor surviving grief-stricken Avengers]] are trying to reverse the damage his Prime-Timeline self did in ''Infinity War''. Once he realizes that his original plan won’t work because nobody would accept half the universe’s population being killed off, he changes his plan to [[OmnicidalManiac using the Infinity Stones to destroy the universe and recreate it how he sees fit]], because he now thinks this universe is a lost cause and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he believes that the inhabitants of the new universe having no memory of those who get culled would result in them being "thankful" for Thanos's actions]]. This proves that ultimately Thanos is nothing more than a genocidal, power-hungry monster who's been trying to justify his countless bloodbaths. The subversion is taken even further when one considers that, since the Infinity Gauntlet can apparently create an entire universe, Thanos could have simply doubled the number of available resources instead of halving the universe’s population, which would have worked just as well without turning an entire universe against him]].
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** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'': Features a subversion. Thanos's entire motivation is that he believes that the whole universe would soon suffer from OverpopulationCrisis like his own planet did unless he personally steps in and does something about it. It sounds like an example of this, but then one actually thinks about it, and the whole thing can be seen as [[TheyCalledMeMad insane]], [[InsaneTrollLogic short-sighted and idiotic]]. For reference, according to [[https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI this graph]] if the world's population was cut in half it would take it about 40 years, a ''molecule'' of time compared to the age of the world, to recover, and that's ''not'' taking into account the more advanced medical technology we have today that didn't exist in the 70's that would speed it up considerably. How he expected this one-time fix-all solution to do anything more than ever-so-slightly delay the inevitable shows how deluded he truly is. The subversion is taken farther in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: when 2014 Thanos discovers that the [[GenocideSurvivor surviving grief-stricken Avengers]] are trying to reverse the damage his Prime-Timeline self did in ''Infinity War''. Once he realizes that his original plan won’t work because nobody would accept half the universe’s population being killed off, he changes his plan to [[OmnicidalManiac using the Infinity Stones to destroy the universe and recreate it how he sees fit]], because he now thinks this universe is a lost cause and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he believes that the inhabitants of the new universe having no memory of those who get culled would result in them being "thankful" for Thanos's actions]]. This proves that ultimately ultimately, [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist Thanos is nothing more than a genocidal, power-hungry monster who's been trying to justify his countless bloodbaths.bloodbaths]]. The subversion is taken even further when one considers that, since the Infinity Gauntlet can apparently create an entire universe, Thanos could have simply doubled the number of available resources instead of halving the universe’s population, which would have worked just as well without turning an entire universe against him]].
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*** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero retroactively falls into this trope thanks to ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' He aggressively confronts the Federation of the new timeline he was partially responsible for creating, bent on destroying it because he claims the Federation of his timeline abandoned the Romulans. ''Picard'' revealed he was right, as the Federation, after initially devoting their efforts to evacuating Romulus upon learning of its impending demise, decided to abandoned the evacuation when their shipyards on Mars were destroyed by an army of synthetic androids that had malfunctioned. Such an drastic reversal caused Picard to resign in disgust, leading many of the Romulans to view him and the Federation with disdain for having allowed their homeworld to die (though in Picard's case, it was more of him just giving up when he let "perfect be the enemy of good" and didn't continue his efforts). Thus, Nero had plenty of reason to be upset with the people who supposedly promised to help the Romulans, [[spoiler: but it's downplayed in a sense that he wasn't aware that it was his own people, as part of a mysterious cult called the "Zhat Vash," that caused the synthetics to malfunction, believing them to be part of a prophecy where such lifeforms would end all organic life]]. Even [[spoiler: Spock Prime]] believes Nero has every right to be angry, as *he [[MyGreatestFailure blames himself]] for not saving Romulus in time.
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*** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero retroactively falls into this trope thanks to ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' He aggressively confronts the Federation of the new timeline he was partially responsible for creating, bent on destroying it because he claims the Federation of his timeline abandoned the Romulans. ''Picard'' revealed he was right, as the Federation, after initially devoting their efforts to evacuating Romulus upon learning of its impending demise, decided to abandoned the evacuation when their shipyards on Mars were destroyed by an army of synthetic androids that had malfunctioned. Such an drastic reversal caused Picard to resign in disgust, leading many of the Romulans to view him and the Federation with disdain for having allowed their homeworld to die (though in Picard's case, it was more of him just giving up when he let "perfect be the enemy of good" and didn't continue his efforts). Thus, Nero had plenty of reason to be upset with the people who supposedly promised to help the Romulans, [[spoiler: but it's downplayed in a sense that he wasn't aware that it was his own people, as part of a mysterious cult called the "Zhat Vash," that caused the synthetics to malfunction, believing them to be part of a prophecy where such lifeforms would end all organic life]]. Even [[spoiler: Spock Prime]] believes Nero has every right to be angry, as *he he [[MyGreatestFailure blames himself]] for not saving Romulus in time.
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*** In the same episode, Picard rehtorically asks if Q could have taught his lesson with killing some of his crew. Q points out that the galaxy isn't a safe place and if Picard isn't prepared for people to die, then he should stay home. Q is proven right time and time again as crewmembers on the ''Enterprise'' do often die, and even more lives are lost exploring the Gamma Quadrant... His intervention also provides the federation with an opportunity to actually prepare for the Borg invasion, so Q ended up helping, in his own way.
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*** In the same episode, Picard rehtorically rhetorically asks if Q could have taught his lesson with without killing some of his crew. Q points out that the galaxy isn't a safe place and if Picard isn't prepared for people to die, then he should stay home. Q is proven right time and time again as crewmembers on the ''Enterprise'' do often die, and even more lives are lost exploring the Gamma Quadrant... His intervention also provides the federation with an opportunity to actually prepare for the Borg invasion, so Q ended up helping, in his own way.
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* Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse:
** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be. He also correctly points out one of the problems with Thor's relationship with Jane: its MayflyDecemberRomance aspect, since Jane is a normal mortal and Thor is an Asgardian who could live for thousands of years. [[spoiler: (As of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' Jane and Thor have broken up, though it's not explained why.)]]
** ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'':
*** In Episode 3 of Season 1, "The Asset", genius billionaire Ian Quinn, who is revealed as morally corrupt in the same episode and later becomes even more villainous, warns Skye against SHIELD, as he is trying to recruit her to work for him. He tells her that she fits the "profile" of people SHIELD usually recruits: "You're a criminal. You have a warrant somewhere. Specialized skill set. No family. I'm sorry, I didn't meant to hit the nerve, but that's what these people do. SHIELD. They prey on loneliness and fear and desperation, and then they offer home to those who have no one else to turn to." One can't deny the truth in his words, especially after after we get to see Ward's backstory later in the season. Coulson also seems to partially fits the profile as he lost his father early and has no living family.
*** Jiayang initially seems to overreact in Season 2 at the idea of the Inhumans cooperating with SHIELD, but that SHIELD had already been revealed to have been infiltrated by HYDRA gave her some justification, moreso when it's later revealed in Season 3 that [[spoiler:HYDRA was trying to bring back a creature called Hive who could control Inhumans, and in retrospect when a listing of registered Inhumans is used as a kill-list (also in Season 3), something she had explicitly warned of.]]
** Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conquer everything in sight. While her would be followers scoff at her, Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin already did it once before. Odin was a warmonger before becoming the benevolent king everyone knows him as now. [[WrittenByTheWinners He changed history to make himself and Asgard look better]], removing all evidence of the war. and went as far as to move all the Asgardian warriors who died from their honored halls to a dark crypt to be forgotten. While he was right to imprison Hela when her desire for conquest grew insatiable, it was he who set her down that path by waging war on the other realms and making her DaddysLittleVillain in the first place. Despite her megalomania all her arguments are fairly justified.
*** While conversing with Thor before the FinalBattle, Hela points to the history Odin hide away as a sign that he covered up anything he found unpleasant. Thor doesn't deny it.
** ''Film/BlackPanther2018'': Part of Erik Killmonger's motivation is the hardship that he has seen and experienced African minority communities undergo in places like America, where their historical presence stemmed from slavery. He condemns Wakanda's isolationism policy, pointing out that the country has had the resources to assist these people in need for centuries and could have alleviated a lot of people's suffering if they intervened instead of continuing to silently support the status quo by doing nothing. [[spoiler:He inherited this attitude from his father, N'Jobu, who tried to smuggle vibranium out of Wakanda to arm African minorities and lead a violent uprising.]] T'Challa does ''not'' agree with his methods nor his ultimate goal of [[spoiler:committing mass genocide of non-African and African descended people to establish a new world order where he's in charge]], but does come to agree that Wakanda has an obligation as an African AdvancedAncientAcropolis to help out Africans in other nations who are struggling. [[spoiler:He decides to begin opening Wakandan community centers specifically for this purpose.]]
** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'': Features a subversion. Thanos's entire motivation is that he believes that the whole universe would soon suffer from OverpopulationCrisis like his own planet did unless he personally steps in and does something about it. It sounds like an example of this, but then one actually thinks about it, and the whole thing can be seen as [[TheyCalledMeMad insane]], [[InsaneTrollLogic short-sighted and idiotic]]. For reference, according to [[https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI this graph]] if the world's population was cut in half it would take it about 40 years, a ''molecule'' of time compared to the age of the world, to recover, and that's ''not'' taking into account the more advanced medical technology we have today that didn't exist in the 70's that would speed it up considerably. How he expected this one-time fix-all solution to do anything more than ever-so-slightly delay the inevitable shows how deluded he truly is. The subversion is taken farther in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: when 2014 Thanos discovers that the [[GenocideSurvivor surviving grief-stricken Avengers]] are trying to reverse the damage his Prime-Timeline self did in ''Infinity War''. Once he realizes that his original plan won’t work because nobody would accept half the universe’s population being killed off, he changes his plan to [[OmnicidalManiac using the Infinity Stones to destroy the universe and recreate it how he sees fit]], because he now thinks this universe is a lost cause and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he believes that the inhabitants of the new universe having no memory of those who get culled would result in them being "thankful" for Thanos's actions]]. This proves that ultimately Thanos is nothing more than a genocidal, power-hungry monster who's been trying to justify his countless bloodbaths. The subversion is taken even further when one considers that, since the Infinity Gauntlet can apparently create an entire universe, Thanos could have simply doubled the number of available resources instead of halving the universe’s population, which would have worked just as well without turning an entire universe against him]].
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When the government agency "Damage Control" took over Toomes' contract and forced him off the cleanup site, they inflicted financial hardship on him and jeopardized his ability to support his family. Toomes points out to Peter that he's young and doesn't understand that the "rich and powerful, they do whatever they want" and just don't care about "guys like us". He even points out that Tony Stark himself first made his fortune as a weapons manufacturer and ultimately claims that everything he has done has been to secure his family's future. Peter, driven by his high moral standards points that selling weapons to criminals is still wrong and while he doesn't relent in stopping Toomes' plans, it does appear some part of what he said resonated with Peter as reflected in his decision to turn down Stark's offer to join the Avengers and remain someone "to look out for the little guy".
* Franchise/MonsterVerse:
** PsychoSupporter [[Characters/MonsterVerseSkullIslandExpedition Riccio]] in the ''Film/KongSkullIsland'' graphic novel ''The Birth of Kong'', who after his SanitySlippage decides to [[spoiler:destroy the Iwi's walls and expose them to Skull Island's predators]] to see whether or not Kong will come tro save them. Whilst his actions are way out of line, as observed by Aaron in the ending, Riccio did in a roundabout way complete the expedition's original objective on the island once Kong did indeed come to the rescue: to determine whether or not Kong was a reliable line of defence to prevent the creatures on Skull Island threatening the rest of the world.
** ''Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019'': The [[Characters/MonsterVerseEmmaRussell eco-terrorists' mastermind]] [[spoiler:Emma Russell]] who wants to forcibly release all the contained {{Kaiju}} so they can restore natural balance to Earth's ecosystems, though not at all in their right mind, actually makes several good points, with the fact TheExtremistWasRight in the ending being just one of them.
*** Although [[spoiler:Emma]] seems to overestimate humanity's capability and underestimate the Titans' NighInvulnerability, the ending shows she was at least right that the world would be a much better place if the Titans were awake and maintaining its balance. Furthermore, the ability of the military's prototype Oxygen Destroyer to severely harm Godzilla indicates she might've been ProperlyParanoid.
*** She isn't wrong that Monarch is losing the legal battle with the government to prevent the military attempting to kill the Titans before she intiates her plot, with public opinion massively favoring the government's plan (see [[Fridge/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019 Fridge Horror here]] for the possible outcomes if the government enacted their kill-the-Titans plot, none of which are very positive). Serizawa and the rest of Monarch know like [[spoiler:Emma]] that the Titans are ecologically essential and beneficial to the world, yet are doing little in the face of the [[SuicidalOverconfidence Suicidally Overconfident]] government's NukeEm pressure except attend senate meetings, to argue with politicians who are clearly shown to be deaf to reason (even Serizawa seems to know these hearings are largely an exercise in futility). She makes '''such''' a valid point here that the movie has to fall back on Mark Russell immediately calling out the sheer heinousness and insanity of her recent actions and deconstruct her underlying grief, with none of the heroes providing any kind of counter-argument to this.
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** In the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]]'' episode "Arena", Kirk eventually becomes able to communicate with the Gorn captain, who promises that if Kirk gives himself up he will be "merciful and quick". Kirk likens this to the massacre of an outlying Federation base that the ''Enterprise'' discovered at the beginning of the episode; the Gorn responds that the Federation had established an outpost in Gorn space and "naturally, we destroyed it."
** ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'': The titular BigBad accuses Kirk of simply leaving him and his crew a planet which turned [[DeathWorld inhospitable]]. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Khan is of course]] [[RevengeMyopia ignoring that he tried to take Kirk's ship]], but he is right. Kirk would always solve some problem of the week, move on and forget about it without considering the consequences.
** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
*** In "Q Who", disappointed that Picard won't accept his services, Q sends the ''Enterprise'' into the Delta Quadrant, where they encounter [[OutsideContextProblem the Borg]], ending in the deaths of 18 crewmembers before Q returns them to Federation space. Although Picard is angered at the loss of life, he privately remarks that "Q did the right thing for the wrong reason", showing them that they aren't prepared to handle threats like the Borg. Later episodes would reveal that [[CruelToBeKind Q actually did this in part to provide the Alpha Quadrant with a disguised warning about the existence of the Borg so that Starfleet could start mobilizing and be ready before they arrived]].
*** In the same episode, Picard rehtorically asks if Q could have taught his lesson with killing some of his crew. Q points out that the galaxy isn't a safe place and if Picard isn't prepared for people to die, then he should stay home. Q is proven right time and time again as crewmembers on the ''Enterprise'' do often die, and even more lives are lost exploring the Gamma Quadrant... His intervention also provides the federation with an opportunity to actually prepare for the Borg invasion, so Q ended up helping, in his own way.
*** In "Birthright", Worf learns about a Romulan prison camp where Klingons [=POWs=] have been held for decades. When he arrives, he's shocked to see the Romulans and Klingons living amicably. He is especially outraged that the young Klingons born there know nothing about their heritage. But Tokath, the Romulan commandant, points out he had still done something no diplomats from the Klingon or Romulan empires, or even the Federation has done: forge a manageable peace between Klingons and Romulans. Particularly since he had the choice of killing them or sending them back to the Klingon homeworld, where they'd have been dishonored and shunned.
*** "The Drumhead"'s villain is an out and out racist VillainWithGoodPublicity, but when Picard critiques her use of a part-Betazoid to find out that a crewman (who is innocent of the crime, but hiding the fact he is part Romulan to avoid potential racism) is lying to them, she counters that he does the ''exact same thing'' in far more diplomatically unstable situations, using Ship Counselor Deanna Troi's intuition and Betazoid senses to identify lies and half truths from aliens they encounter. While this has been useful and she's been proven correct in the past, Picard does concede that this is an action he should perhaps not take as much in the future: after all it seems the same intuition is being used to attack a man who has arguably good reasons for hiding the truth and is clearly no threat. After that episode Troi is far less regularly used as the ship's living lie detector.
*** In "Rascals", the Ferengi leading the takeover of the Enterprise says that having the crews' families, and specifically their children, onboard is a negligent risk to take. Yes, he's threatening to kill the children at the time, but that only helps illustrate the point.
** The MonsterOfTheWeek in the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "Hope and Fear" is an alien who devises an elaborate trap for ''Voyager'' on the grounds that Janeway's alliance with the Borg against Species 8472 in "Scorpion" enabled the Borg to assimilate his entire species, whereas if Janeway had stayed out of it the Borg would've been extinct by now. Janeway points out that her only alternative would have been to let Species 8472 exterminate everything in their path, so while she didn't like either option, she chose the lesser evil.
** Arik Soong in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' states that humanity’s GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke attitude is a rejection of using technology to relieve suffering. He’s not wrong, honestly. Archer in particular seems to sympathize, as his father died from an illness that genetic engineering could have prevented. Phlox also admires Soong's work, noting that his own people have practiced similar techniques.
** In J.J. Abramas' ''Star Trek'' movies' AlternateTimeline:
*** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero retroactively falls into this trope thanks to ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' He aggressively confronts the Federation of the new timeline he was partially responsible for creating, bent on destroying it because he claims the Federation of his timeline abandoned the Romulans. ''Picard'' revealed he was right, as the Federation, after initially devoting their efforts to evacuating Romulus upon learning of its impending demise, decided to abandoned the evacuation when their shipyards on Mars were destroyed by an army of synthetic androids that had malfunctioned. Such an drastic reversal caused Picard to resign in disgust, leading many of the Romulans to view him and the Federation with disdain for having allowed their homeworld to die (though in Picard's case, it was more of him just giving up when he let "perfect be the enemy of good" and didn't continue his efforts). Thus, Nero had plenty of reason to be upset with the people who supposedly promised to help the Romulans, [[spoiler: but it's downplayed in a sense that he wasn't aware that it was his own people, as part of a mysterious cult called the "Zhat Vash," that caused the synthetics to malfunction, believing them to be part of a prophecy where such lifeforms would end all organic life]]. Even [[spoiler: Spock Prime]] believes Nero has every right to be angry, as *he [[MyGreatestFailure blames himself]] for not saving Romulus in time.
** Krall, the main villain of ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', was right about one thing, though [[RightForTheWrongReasons wrong about why]]: the Federation is arrogant to assume it doesn't need conflict to survive. That said, the "wrong reason" part is that he think ViolenceReallyIsTheAnswer, whereas the truth is the Federation should always be prepared to defend itself from outside threats.
** ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' gives us two retroactive ones:
*** The start of the series revealed that [[Film/StarTrek2009 Nero]] wasn't just misplacing his grief by blaming the Federation for what happened to the Romulans; Picard's CynicismCatalyst was because the Federation did indeed decide to leave the Romulans to die, meaning while it's aimed at the wrong universe's Federation, and the Romulans themsleves (specifically the Zhat Vash) are mostly to blame, and it ''still'' doesn't justify his actions, Nero is perfectly in the right to be angry with the Federation.
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:while [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E21TheDrumhead Admiral Satie]] was still out of line, she wasn't quite so crazy to fear the idea of the Romulans infiltrating the Federation, given that's exactly happened in ''Picard'' with Commadore Oh hiding in plain sight.]]
* ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** In the Joint Chiefs meeting on the Death Star in ''Film/ANewHope'', General Cassio Tagge is the only officer who acknowledges that the rebels pose a threat since they possess a technical readout of the Death Star, and that the Empire shouldn't rely on the Death Star as its sole deterrent to dissent. Turns out, he was right, as the rebels manage to use the information found in the Death Star plans to launch a successful assault that destroys the station. Also in that meeting, Darth Vader warns the prideful Admiral Motti that there ''are'' things more powerful than the Death Star, including the Force; he's then proven right, as it's a Force-sensitive pilot who fires the shot that destroys the Death Star.
** In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic's corruption mostly comes from said Sith Lord and the Trade Federation might not have went through their war without his back up), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilized planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. In the old EU he's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy; in the new Disney universe the restored Republic is just as bad as its predecessor. [[spoiler: In the span of just a few decades, the New Republic falls to the First Order, although it isn't clear to what extent this can be blamed on the leaders of the Republic.]]
** While Lando Calrissian isn't really a villain in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the heroes certainly treat him like one for selling out his friend Han to the Empire. But, as Lando himself says, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he had no choice but to cooperate]]. Vader explicitly threatens the people of Cloud City, which he administrates. From a deontological perspective, his responsibility is to protect them over the long-estranged friend who he hasn't seen for years and who showed up at his doorstep without warning. Since Vader only needs the Falcon crew to set a trap for Luke, Lando bargains with Vader for the freedom of Leia and Chewie, at significant risk to his own life and people, and is rejected. Then he pulls out all the stops to help rescue Leia, Chewie, and eventually Luke, and they almost manage to save Han, but what does he get in return? A choke from Chewie and a verbal beatdown from Leia before he can explain the situation. He even takes the time to visit Han and Leia in their cell after they were tortured to make sure they're as comfortable as possible, and gets punched in the face for his troubles. [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi It all turns out okay for him in the end though.]] ''Film/{{Solo}}'' reveals that Lando and Han weren't even that close; over the course of the film, his association with Han leads to [[spoiler:his copilot dying, him nearly getting killed thirty times, and his beloved ship nearly getting blown up with him on it. After all that, he deserts Han in his hour of need, and Han pays him back by winning his ship in a game of cards.]] After all that, it's no wonder Lando puts Cloud City before Han.
** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'':
*** In "The Hidden Enemy", one of the clones is revealed to be a traitor spying for the Separatists. After being caught and asked how he could do this, he retorts that the Republic and the Jedi are enslaving him and his brothers and forcing them to fight and die in a war they have no stake in without anything in return, that the other clones are too indoctrinated to realize how badly they're being treated, and that he only started working for the Separatists because they promised him freedom. And the thing is, everything he says is absolutely true. While his actions solved nothing and ultimately only resulted in the deaths of more clones, his motives are hard to find any fault in.
*** Captain (later Moff) Tarkin argued that the Jedi's role as peacekeepers made them unsuited for combat and Anakin agrees, stating that the Jedi Code often prevents them from doing whatever it takes to secure victory.
*** In "The Phantom Apprentice", Maul tells Ahsoka that WeCanRuleTogether and that he needs to kill Anakin before Palpatine sinks his hooks into him. [[DramaticIrony Ahsoka doesn't know it yet]], but he's completely right -- the Republic and the Jedi are about to crash and burn, and Anakin is about to become the monstrous Darth Vader.
** In ''Film/TheLastJedi'': As screwed up as Kylo Ren is, he's got several good points. [[spoiler: One, his uncle ''did'', albeit briefly, consider killing him before he actually did anything wrong. Second, Leia's Resistance is a ragtag bunch with very little chance of surviving at this point. Thirdly, the Jedi and the Sith ''did'' a lot of epic screwing up the galaxy and if he could get Rey on board, they'd have a chance to [[WeCanRuleTogether rule the First Order together]], ''and'' TakeAThirdOption aside from the galaxy-ruining dogma of Jedi and Sith. [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords Kreia would approve.]] ]]
** In ''Film/{{Solo}}'', Enfys Nest and [[spoiler:Beckett]] are both right in their own ways. Enfys Nest [[spoiler:is a HeroAntagonist, trying to prevent extremely valuable resources from falling into the hand of an evil syndicate, who the "heroes" are willingly working for.]] [[spoiler:While Beckett betrays Han, his assertions that Qi'ra is just using him turn out to be true.]]
** In ''Franchise/StarWars: Literature/{{Shatterpoint}}'', Kar Vastor and the ULF in general are portrayed as brutal murderers seeped in TheDarkSide who mercilessly slaughter any off-worlders, set up as one half of the GreyAndGrayMorality of the Summertime War, but what were they supposed to do otherwise? For ''thirty years'' off-worlders have been shooting Korunnai on sight, prospectors kidnap, torture and murder their children, they're forced to shelter in caves in deplorable conditions because any exposed settlement is bombed from orbit, and they can't even take their herds out to graze because gunship patrols fire on them and their animals, while the Republic did nothing to help. All so off-worlders can sell the rare spices and barks that grow on Haruun Kal. While Vastor firmly crosses the MoralEventHorizon in the finale, it's perfectly understandable for them to use extreme tactics to defend themselves from the genocidal actions of a colonial power exploiting their lands.
** Loki had a legitimate point in ''Film/{{Thor}}'', in that his brother ''wasn't'' ready for the throne. It is only because Loki let the frost giants into Asgard, leading to Thor being banished by Odin for recklessly seeking revenge against them, that Thor learns humility and grows into being a worthy future king and protector of the Nine Realms. A deleted scene also shows that, by that point, Loki is made the legitimate king of Asgard while Odin sleeps. In ''Film/ThorTheDarkWorld'', Thor has emotionally matured to the point that he openly states Loki was right, and even more, Thor doesn't have (nor wants to have) the ability to be as ruthless as the king of Asgard sometimes has to be. He also correctly points out one of the problems with Thor's relationship with Jane: its MayflyDecemberRomance aspect, since Jane is a normal mortal and Thor is an Asgardian who could live for thousands of years. [[spoiler: (As of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' Jane and Thor have broken up, though it's not explained why.)]]
** ''Series/AgentsOfSHIELD'':
*** In Episode 3 of Season 1, "The Asset", genius billionaire Ian Quinn, who is revealed as morally corrupt in the same episode and later becomes even more villainous, warns Skye against SHIELD, as he is trying to recruit her to work for him. He tells her that she fits the "profile" of people SHIELD usually recruits: "You're a criminal. You have a warrant somewhere. Specialized skill set. No family. I'm sorry, I didn't meant to hit the nerve, but that's what these people do. SHIELD. They prey on loneliness and fear and desperation, and then they offer home to those who have no one else to turn to." One can't deny the truth in his words, especially after after we get to see Ward's backstory later in the season. Coulson also seems to partially fits the profile as he lost his father early and has no living family.
*** Jiayang initially seems to overreact in Season 2 at the idea of the Inhumans cooperating with SHIELD, but that SHIELD had already been revealed to have been infiltrated by HYDRA gave her some justification, moreso when it's later revealed in Season 3 that [[spoiler:HYDRA was trying to bring back a creature called Hive who could control Inhumans, and in retrospect when a listing of registered Inhumans is used as a kill-list (also in Season 3), something she had explicitly warned of.]]
** Hela the BigBad of ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' wants to take over Asgard and conquer everything in sight. While her would be followers scoff at her, Asgard only became so powerful and influential because she and Odin already did it once before. Odin was a warmonger before becoming the benevolent king everyone knows him as now. [[WrittenByTheWinners He changed history to make himself and Asgard look better]], removing all evidence of the war. and went as far as to move all the Asgardian warriors who died from their honored halls to a dark crypt to be forgotten. While he was right to imprison Hela when her desire for conquest grew insatiable, it was he who set her down that path by waging war on the other realms and making her DaddysLittleVillain in the first place. Despite her megalomania all her arguments are fairly justified.
*** While conversing with Thor before the FinalBattle, Hela points to the history Odin hide away as a sign that he covered up anything he found unpleasant. Thor doesn't deny it.
** ''Film/BlackPanther2018'': Part of Erik Killmonger's motivation is the hardship that he has seen and experienced African minority communities undergo in places like America, where their historical presence stemmed from slavery. He condemns Wakanda's isolationism policy, pointing out that the country has had the resources to assist these people in need for centuries and could have alleviated a lot of people's suffering if they intervened instead of continuing to silently support the status quo by doing nothing. [[spoiler:He inherited this attitude from his father, N'Jobu, who tried to smuggle vibranium out of Wakanda to arm African minorities and lead a violent uprising.]] T'Challa does ''not'' agree with his methods nor his ultimate goal of [[spoiler:committing mass genocide of non-African and African descended people to establish a new world order where he's in charge]], but does come to agree that Wakanda has an obligation as an African AdvancedAncientAcropolis to help out Africans in other nations who are struggling. [[spoiler:He decides to begin opening Wakandan community centers specifically for this purpose.]]
** ''Film/AvengersInfinityWar'': Features a subversion. Thanos's entire motivation is that he believes that the whole universe would soon suffer from OverpopulationCrisis like his own planet did unless he personally steps in and does something about it. It sounds like an example of this, but then one actually thinks about it, and the whole thing can be seen as [[TheyCalledMeMad insane]], [[InsaneTrollLogic short-sighted and idiotic]]. For reference, according to [[https://populationmatters.org/sites/default/files/styles/full_width_image/public/Historical%20human%20population%20growth%20-%20no%20logo_3.png?itok=Hjwf0HYI this graph]] if the world's population was cut in half it would take it about 40 years, a ''molecule'' of time compared to the age of the world, to recover, and that's ''not'' taking into account the more advanced medical technology we have today that didn't exist in the 70's that would speed it up considerably. How he expected this one-time fix-all solution to do anything more than ever-so-slightly delay the inevitable shows how deluded he truly is. The subversion is taken farther in ''Film/AvengersEndgame'', [[spoiler: when 2014 Thanos discovers that the [[GenocideSurvivor surviving grief-stricken Avengers]] are trying to reverse the damage his Prime-Timeline self did in ''Infinity War''. Once he realizes that his original plan won’t work because nobody would accept half the universe’s population being killed off, he changes his plan to [[OmnicidalManiac using the Infinity Stones to destroy the universe and recreate it how he sees fit]], because he now thinks this universe is a lost cause and [[EvilCannotComprehendGood he believes that the inhabitants of the new universe having no memory of those who get culled would result in them being "thankful" for Thanos's actions]]. This proves that ultimately Thanos is nothing more than a genocidal, power-hungry monster who's been trying to justify his countless bloodbaths. The subversion is taken even further when one considers that, since the Infinity Gauntlet can apparently create an entire universe, Thanos could have simply doubled the number of available resources instead of halving the universe’s population, which would have worked just as well without turning an entire universe against him]].
** ''Film/SpiderManHomecoming'': When the government agency "Damage Control" took over Toomes' contract and forced him off the cleanup site, they inflicted financial hardship on him and jeopardized his ability to support his family. Toomes points out to Peter that he's young and doesn't understand that the "rich and powerful, they do whatever they want" and just don't care about "guys like us". He even points out that Tony Stark himself first made his fortune as a weapons manufacturer and ultimately claims that everything he has done has been to secure his family's future. Peter, driven by his high moral standards points that selling weapons to criminals is still wrong and while he doesn't relent in stopping Toomes' plans, it does appear some part of what he said resonated with Peter as reflected in his decision to turn down Stark's offer to join the Avengers and remain someone "to look out for the little guy".
* Franchise/MonsterVerse:
** PsychoSupporter [[Characters/MonsterVerseSkullIslandExpedition Riccio]] in the ''Film/KongSkullIsland'' graphic novel ''The Birth of Kong'', who after his SanitySlippage decides to [[spoiler:destroy the Iwi's walls and expose them to Skull Island's predators]] to see whether or not Kong will come tro save them. Whilst his actions are way out of line, as observed by Aaron in the ending, Riccio did in a roundabout way complete the expedition's original objective on the island once Kong did indeed come to the rescue: to determine whether or not Kong was a reliable line of defence to prevent the creatures on Skull Island threatening the rest of the world.
** ''Film/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019'': The [[Characters/MonsterVerseEmmaRussell eco-terrorists' mastermind]] [[spoiler:Emma Russell]] who wants to forcibly release all the contained {{Kaiju}} so they can restore natural balance to Earth's ecosystems, though not at all in their right mind, actually makes several good points, with the fact TheExtremistWasRight in the ending being just one of them.
*** Although [[spoiler:Emma]] seems to overestimate humanity's capability and underestimate the Titans' NighInvulnerability, the ending shows she was at least right that the world would be a much better place if the Titans were awake and maintaining its balance. Furthermore, the ability of the military's prototype Oxygen Destroyer to severely harm Godzilla indicates she might've been ProperlyParanoid.
*** She isn't wrong that Monarch is losing the legal battle with the government to prevent the military attempting to kill the Titans before she intiates her plot, with public opinion massively favoring the government's plan (see [[Fridge/GodzillaKingOfTheMonsters2019 Fridge Horror here]] for the possible outcomes if the government enacted their kill-the-Titans plot, none of which are very positive). Serizawa and the rest of Monarch know like [[spoiler:Emma]] that the Titans are ecologically essential and beneficial to the world, yet are doing little in the face of the [[SuicidalOverconfidence Suicidally Overconfident]] government's NukeEm pressure except attend senate meetings, to argue with politicians who are clearly shown to be deaf to reason (even Serizawa seems to know these hearings are largely an exercise in futility). She makes '''such''' a valid point here that the movie has to fall back on Mark Russell immediately calling out the sheer heinousness and insanity of her recent actions and deconstruct her underlying grief, with none of the heroes providing any kind of counter-argument to this.
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** In the ''[[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries TOS]]'' episode "Arena", Kirk eventually becomes able to communicate with the Gorn captain, who promises that if Kirk gives himself up he will be "merciful and quick". Kirk likens this to the massacre of an outlying Federation base that the ''Enterprise'' discovered at the beginning of the episode; the Gorn responds that the Federation had established an outpost in Gorn space and "naturally, we destroyed it."
** ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'': The titular BigBad accuses Kirk of simply leaving him and his crew a planet which turned [[DeathWorld inhospitable]]. [[Recap/StarTrekS1E22SpaceSeed Khan is of course]] [[RevengeMyopia ignoring that he tried to take Kirk's ship]], but he is right. Kirk would always solve some problem of the week, move on and forget about it without considering the consequences.
** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'':
*** In "Q Who", disappointed that Picard won't accept his services, Q sends the ''Enterprise'' into the Delta Quadrant, where they encounter [[OutsideContextProblem the Borg]], ending in the deaths of 18 crewmembers before Q returns them to Federation space. Although Picard is angered at the loss of life, he privately remarks that "Q did the right thing for the wrong reason", showing them that they aren't prepared to handle threats like the Borg. Later episodes would reveal that [[CruelToBeKind Q actually did this in part to provide the Alpha Quadrant with a disguised warning about the existence of the Borg so that Starfleet could start mobilizing and be ready before they arrived]].
*** In the same episode, Picard rehtorically asks if Q could have taught his lesson with killing some of his crew. Q points out that the galaxy isn't a safe place and if Picard isn't prepared for people to die, then he should stay home. Q is proven right time and time again as crewmembers on the ''Enterprise'' do often die, and even more lives are lost exploring the Gamma Quadrant... His intervention also provides the federation with an opportunity to actually prepare for the Borg invasion, so Q ended up helping, in his own way.
*** In "Birthright", Worf learns about a Romulan prison camp where Klingons [=POWs=] have been held for decades. When he arrives, he's shocked to see the Romulans and Klingons living amicably. He is especially outraged that the young Klingons born there know nothing about their heritage. But Tokath, the Romulan commandant, points out he had still done something no diplomats from the Klingon or Romulan empires, or even the Federation has done: forge a manageable peace between Klingons and Romulans. Particularly since he had the choice of killing them or sending them back to the Klingon homeworld, where they'd have been dishonored and shunned.
*** "The Drumhead"'s villain is an out and out racist VillainWithGoodPublicity, but when Picard critiques her use of a part-Betazoid to find out that a crewman (who is innocent of the crime, but hiding the fact he is part Romulan to avoid potential racism) is lying to them, she counters that he does the ''exact same thing'' in far more diplomatically unstable situations, using Ship Counselor Deanna Troi's intuition and Betazoid senses to identify lies and half truths from aliens they encounter. While this has been useful and she's been proven correct in the past, Picard does concede that this is an action he should perhaps not take as much in the future: after all it seems the same intuition is being used to attack a man who has arguably good reasons for hiding the truth and is clearly no threat. After that episode Troi is far less regularly used as the ship's living lie detector.
*** In "Rascals", the Ferengi leading the takeover of the Enterprise says that having the crews' families, and specifically their children, onboard is a negligent risk to take. Yes, he's threatening to kill the children at the time, but that only helps illustrate the point.
** The MonsterOfTheWeek in the ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'' episode "Hope and Fear" is an alien who devises an elaborate trap for ''Voyager'' on the grounds that Janeway's alliance with the Borg against Species 8472 in "Scorpion" enabled the Borg to assimilate his entire species, whereas if Janeway had stayed out of it the Borg would've been extinct by now. Janeway points out that her only alternative would have been to let Species 8472 exterminate everything in their path, so while she didn't like either option, she chose the lesser evil.
** Arik Soong in ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' states that humanity’s GeneticEngineeringIsTheNewNuke attitude is a rejection of using technology to relieve suffering. He’s not wrong, honestly. Archer in particular seems to sympathize, as his father died from an illness that genetic engineering could have prevented. Phlox also admires Soong's work, noting that his own people have practiced similar techniques.
** In J.J. Abramas' ''Star Trek'' movies' AlternateTimeline:
*** ''Film/StarTrek2009'': Nero retroactively falls into this trope thanks to ''Series/StarTrekPicard.'' He aggressively confronts the Federation of the new timeline he was partially responsible for creating, bent on destroying it because he claims the Federation of his timeline abandoned the Romulans. ''Picard'' revealed he was right, as the Federation, after initially devoting their efforts to evacuating Romulus upon learning of its impending demise, decided to abandoned the evacuation when their shipyards on Mars were destroyed by an army of synthetic androids that had malfunctioned. Such an drastic reversal caused Picard to resign in disgust, leading many of the Romulans to view him and the Federation with disdain for having allowed their homeworld to die (though in Picard's case, it was more of him just giving up when he let "perfect be the enemy of good" and didn't continue his efforts). Thus, Nero had plenty of reason to be upset with the people who supposedly promised to help the Romulans, [[spoiler: but it's downplayed in a sense that he wasn't aware that it was his own people, as part of a mysterious cult called the "Zhat Vash," that caused the synthetics to malfunction, believing them to be part of a prophecy where such lifeforms would end all organic life]]. Even [[spoiler: Spock Prime]] believes Nero has every right to be angry, as *he [[MyGreatestFailure blames himself]] for not saving Romulus in time.
** Krall, the main villain of ''Film/StarTrekBeyond'', was right about one thing, though [[RightForTheWrongReasons wrong about why]]: the Federation is arrogant to assume it doesn't need conflict to survive. That said, the "wrong reason" part is that he think ViolenceReallyIsTheAnswer, whereas the truth is the Federation should always be prepared to defend itself from outside threats.
** ''Series/StarTrekPicard'' gives us two retroactive ones:
*** The start of the series revealed that [[Film/StarTrek2009 Nero]] wasn't just misplacing his grief by blaming the Federation for what happened to the Romulans; Picard's CynicismCatalyst was because the Federation did indeed decide to leave the Romulans to die, meaning while it's aimed at the wrong universe's Federation, and the Romulans themsleves (specifically the Zhat Vash) are mostly to blame, and it ''still'' doesn't justify his actions, Nero is perfectly in the right to be angry with the Federation.
*** Additionally, [[spoiler:while [[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS4E21TheDrumhead Admiral Satie]] was still out of line, she wasn't quite so crazy to fear the idea of the Romulans infiltrating the Federation, given that's exactly happened in ''Picard'' with Commadore Oh hiding in plain sight.]]
* ''Franchise/StarWars'':
** In the Joint Chiefs meeting on the Death Star in ''Film/ANewHope'', General Cassio Tagge is the only officer who acknowledges that the rebels pose a threat since they possess a technical readout of the Death Star, and that the Empire shouldn't rely on the Death Star as its sole deterrent to dissent. Turns out, he was right, as the rebels manage to use the information found in the Death Star plans to launch a successful assault that destroys the station. Also in that meeting, Darth Vader warns the prideful Admiral Motti that there ''are'' things more powerful than the Death Star, including the Force; he's then proven right, as it's a Force-sensitive pilot who fires the shot that destroys the Death Star.
** In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' Count Dooku tries to get Obi-Wan to [[WeCanRuleTogether join him]] by claiming the Republic is beyond saving and needs to be replaced, that it's so corrupt a Sith Lord has been able to seize control of it entirely. While him being said Sith Lord's apprentice ruins his argument somewhat (Republic's corruption mostly comes from said Sith Lord and the Trade Federation might not have went through their war without his back up), he does have a point; the Republic by this time is incapable of preserving law and order even on the more civilized planets, {{Mega Corp}}s have ''legal'' private armies, and most Senators are more interested in preserving their wealth and power than in actually helping their constituents. In the old EU he's ultimately proven right, as the New Republic established after the fall of Palpatine's Empire focuses more on restoring the spirit of the Old Republic instead of just its bureaucracy; in the new Disney universe the restored Republic is just as bad as its predecessor. [[spoiler: In the span of just a few decades, the New Republic falls to the First Order, although it isn't clear to what extent this can be blamed on the leaders of the Republic.]]
** While Lando Calrissian isn't really a villain in ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', the heroes certainly treat him like one for selling out his friend Han to the Empire. But, as Lando himself says, [[IDidWhatIHadToDo he had no choice but to cooperate]]. Vader explicitly threatens the people of Cloud City, which he administrates. From a deontological perspective, his responsibility is to protect them over the long-estranged friend who he hasn't seen for years and who showed up at his doorstep without warning. Since Vader only needs the Falcon crew to set a trap for Luke, Lando bargains with Vader for the freedom of Leia and Chewie, at significant risk to his own life and people, and is rejected. Then he pulls out all the stops to help rescue Leia, Chewie, and eventually Luke, and they almost manage to save Han, but what does he get in return? A choke from Chewie and a verbal beatdown from Leia before he can explain the situation. He even takes the time to visit Han and Leia in their cell after they were tortured to make sure they're as comfortable as possible, and gets punched in the face for his troubles. [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi It all turns out okay for him in the end though.]] ''Film/{{Solo}}'' reveals that Lando and Han weren't even that close; over the course of the film, his association with Han leads to [[spoiler:his copilot dying, him nearly getting killed thirty times, and his beloved ship nearly getting blown up with him on it. After all that, he deserts Han in his hour of need, and Han pays him back by winning his ship in a game of cards.]] After all that, it's no wonder Lando puts Cloud City before Han.
** ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsTheCloneWars'':
*** In "The Hidden Enemy", one of the clones is revealed to be a traitor spying for the Separatists. After being caught and asked how he could do this, he retorts that the Republic and the Jedi are enslaving him and his brothers and forcing them to fight and die in a war they have no stake in without anything in return, that the other clones are too indoctrinated to realize how badly they're being treated, and that he only started working for the Separatists because they promised him freedom. And the thing is, everything he says is absolutely true. While his actions solved nothing and ultimately only resulted in the deaths of more clones, his motives are hard to find any fault in.
*** Captain (later Moff) Tarkin argued that the Jedi's role as peacekeepers made them unsuited for combat and Anakin agrees, stating that the Jedi Code often prevents them from doing whatever it takes to secure victory.
*** In "The Phantom Apprentice", Maul tells Ahsoka that WeCanRuleTogether and that he needs to kill Anakin before Palpatine sinks his hooks into him. [[DramaticIrony Ahsoka doesn't know it yet]], but he's completely right -- the Republic and the Jedi are about to crash and burn, and Anakin is about to become the monstrous Darth Vader.
** In ''Film/TheLastJedi'': As screwed up as Kylo Ren is, he's got several good points. [[spoiler: One, his uncle ''did'', albeit briefly, consider killing him before he actually did anything wrong. Second, Leia's Resistance is a ragtag bunch with very little chance of surviving at this point. Thirdly, the Jedi and the Sith ''did'' a lot of epic screwing up the galaxy and if he could get Rey on board, they'd have a chance to [[WeCanRuleTogether rule the First Order together]], ''and'' TakeAThirdOption aside from the galaxy-ruining dogma of Jedi and Sith. [[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublicIITheSithLords Kreia would approve.]] ]]
** In ''Film/{{Solo}}'', Enfys Nest and [[spoiler:Beckett]] are both right in their own ways. Enfys Nest [[spoiler:is a HeroAntagonist, trying to prevent extremely valuable resources from falling into the hand of an evil syndicate, who the "heroes" are willingly working for.]] [[spoiler:While Beckett betrays Han, his assertions that Qi'ra is just using him turn out to be true.]]
** In ''Franchise/StarWars: Literature/{{Shatterpoint}}'', Kar Vastor and the ULF in general are portrayed as brutal murderers seeped in TheDarkSide who mercilessly slaughter any off-worlders, set up as one half of the GreyAndGrayMorality of the Summertime War, but what were they supposed to do otherwise? For ''thirty years'' off-worlders have been shooting Korunnai on sight, prospectors kidnap, torture and murder their children, they're forced to shelter in caves in deplorable conditions because any exposed settlement is bombed from orbit, and they can't even take their herds out to graze because gunship patrols fire on them and their animals, while the Republic did nothing to help. All so off-worlders can sell the rare spices and barks that grow on Haruun Kal. While Vastor firmly crosses the MoralEventHorizon in the finale, it's perfectly understandable for them to use extreme tactics to defend themselves from the genocidal actions of a colonial power exploiting their lands.
