History VideoGame / TheShivah

14th Mar '16 6:53:36 PM Prfnoff
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''The Shivah'' is a WadjetEyeGames project from the mind of Dave Gilbert. For other Wadjet Eye games, see GeminiRue and TheBlackwellSeries. Originally released in September 2006, the game got a UpdatedRerelease in November 2013 with enhanced graphics. This version is called ''The Shivah: Kosher Edition''.

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''The Shivah'' is a WadjetEyeGames Creator/WadjetEyeGames project from the mind of Dave Gilbert. For other Wadjet Eye games, see GeminiRue and TheBlackwellSeries. Originally released in September 2006, the game got a UpdatedRerelease in November 2013 with enhanced graphics. This version is called ''The Shivah: Kosher Edition''.
25th Aug '15 9:54:32 AM zawisza
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* [[ArtisticLicenseReligion Artistic License - Judaism]]: Although the game gets a number of things right, some details about Judaism are incorrect. It's implied that the entire plot takes place during the course of a single Friday evening, and that Rabbis Stone and Zelig are both Orthodox rabbis. That leads to some inaccuracies:
** Traditional Jewish services cannot take place without a quorum of at least ten men ([[DoubleStandard women don't count]]), known as a minyan. The service depicted in the opening of the game has only three people in attendance, one of whom is a woman.
** A number of everyday activities are prohibited on the Jewish Sabbath, which lasts from Friday night to Saturday night. These include using electrical devices and using money. Rabbi Stone uses several computers in the course of the game, and explicitly takes the subway to one of the in-game locations. An actual Orthodox rabbi (or any traditional Jew, for that matter) would not do these things on the Sabbath.
** Even carrying objects from one location to another is prohibited on the Sabbath, which means that Rabbi Zelig would have been unable to give Rabbi Stone his business card. There is a concept in Jewish law called an ''eruv'', though, which allows the definition of "location" to [[LoopholeAbuse get a bit fuzzy]]. If an eruv was in place, both Rabbis Stone and Zelig would certainly be aware of that.
31st Jul '15 12:31:28 AM KingClark
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* HeyItsThatVoice: [[GeminiRue Kane Harris]] apparently quit piloting and became a rabbi. Or maybe [[TheBlackwellSeries Joey Mallone]] got brought back to life.
31st Jul '15 12:30:53 AM KingClark
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* [[spoiler: KosherNostra: Amos Zelig.]]
* MiddleManagementMook: [[spoiler: Zelig]]. He acts like a BigBad, but since his role is mostly to reroute hapless people who are asking him for financial advice in exchange for kickbacks, he comes out looking like a SmugSnake along with this trope.

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* [[spoiler: KosherNostra: Amos [[spoiler:Amos Zelig.]]
* MiddleManagementMook: [[spoiler: Zelig]].[[spoiler:Zelig]]. He acts like a BigBad, but since his role is mostly to reroute hapless people who are asking him for financial advice in exchange for kickbacks, he comes out looking like a SmugSnake along with this trope.
8th Feb '15 12:19:11 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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->''Sometimes the line between salvation and damnation is a mighty fine one.''
21st Jun '14 5:14:08 PM Dannykat
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* AlterKocker: Rabbi Zelig.

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* AlterKocker: Rabbi Amos Zelig.



* [[spoiler: KosherNostra: Zelig.]]

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* [[spoiler: KosherNostra: Amos Zelig.]]
23rd Nov '13 4:25:44 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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''The Shivah'' is a WadjetEyeGames project from the mind of Dave Gilbert. For other Wadjet Eye games, see GeminiRue and TheBlackwellSeries. Originally released in September 2006, the game will get a UpdatedRerelease in November 2013 with enhanced graphics. This version will be called ''The Shivah: Kosher Edition''.

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''The Shivah'' is a WadjetEyeGames project from the mind of Dave Gilbert. For other Wadjet Eye games, see GeminiRue and TheBlackwellSeries. Originally released in September 2006, the game will get got a UpdatedRerelease in November 2013 with enhanced graphics. This version will be is called ''The Shivah: Kosher Edition''.
23rd Nov '13 4:03:02 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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* [[{{UsefulNotes/Judaism}} Judaism]]: [[ShownTheirWork Well researched]] and [[PlayedForDrama taken absolutely seriously]]. Dave Gilbert has mentioned in interviews that he [[WriteWhatYouKnow is of Jewish heritage and although he is not actively religious, he still feels a strong connection to his roots]].
** Especially because it ''is'' in general well-researched, the few small errors that are present (mostly occuring in flavor text for items without direct relevance to the plot) are especially jarring. Examples: ''kiddish'' instead of the correct ''kiddush'' (probably got confused with ''kaddish'', which is a prayer, although it also might be a Yiddish-influenced Ashkenazi spelling/pronounciation) or ''yesheva'' instead of the usual ''yeshiva'' transliteration. However, most people (both non-Jews and, to be fair, maybe quite a few Jews) won't notice.
** Then there's the more "serious" matter of the first scene, namely when there is a service with, apparently, only one female NPC in attendance. Considering the ShownTheirWork factor, it's a pretty crude mistake that services are held despite the lack of a minyan. [[labelnote:*]] A quorum of 10 adult (in this case, past-bar mitzvah age, that is, 13 years) Jewish males -females don't count in the Orthodox and most Conservative interpretations- required for quite a lot of things in Judaism, religious services among others.[[/labelnote]]
** Actually there are enough mistakes - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.

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* [[{{UsefulNotes/Judaism}} Judaism]]: [[ShownTheirWork Well researched]] and [[PlayedForDrama taken absolutely seriously]]. There are some errors here and there though. Dave Gilbert has mentioned in interviews that he [[WriteWhatYouKnow is of Jewish heritage and although he is not actively religious, he still feels a strong connection to his roots]].
** Especially because it ''is'' in general well-researched, the few small errors that are present (mostly occuring in flavor text for items without direct relevance to the plot) are especially jarring. Examples: ''kiddish'' instead of the correct ''kiddush'' (probably got confused with ''kaddish'', which is a prayer, although it also might be a Yiddish-influenced Ashkenazi spelling/pronounciation) or ''yesheva'' instead of the usual ''yeshiva'' transliteration. However, most people (both non-Jews and, to be fair, maybe quite a few Jews) won't notice.
** Then there's the more "serious" matter of the first scene, namely when there is a service with, apparently, only one female NPC in attendance. Considering the ShownTheirWork factor, it's a pretty crude mistake that services are held despite the lack of a minyan. [[labelnote:*]] A quorum of 10 adult (in this case, past-bar mitzvah age, that is, 13 years) Jewish males -females don't count in the Orthodox and most Conservative interpretations- required for quite a lot of things in Judaism, religious services among others.[[/labelnote]]
** Actually there are enough mistakes - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.
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21st Nov '13 3:28:05 PM Levimag
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** Actually there are enough mistakes that it borders on DidNotDotheResearch - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.

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** Actually there are enough mistakes that it borders on DidNotDotheResearch - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.
21st Nov '13 3:27:35 PM Levimag
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** Actually there are enough mistakes that it borders on DidNotDoTheResearch - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.

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** Actually there are enough mistakes that it borders on DidNotDoTheResearch DidNotDotheResearch - for instance, the Torah scroll is out and open on Friday night, when it is not even read; the Cantor pronounces the Hebrew "ch" as in "cheese" rather than as in "loch"; Zelig congratulates Stone with "mazal tov" rather than the correct "yasher koach" or "yishar kochecha"; the Cantor wears white when it is not Rosh Hashana or Yom Kippur; also, in traditional synagogues, the sermon is usually given on Saturday morning.
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