History VideoGame / RomancingSaGa2

29th Dec '16 4:00:16 AM Morgenthaler
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** BigBad - Wagnas (however, it is debatable; since all seven act on their own)

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** BigBad - Wagnas Wagnus (however, it is debatable; since all seven act on their own)
16th Oct '16 6:55:38 PM MoonlightBomber
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* AnyoneCanDie: Due to its multi-generational setup, the game will force you to lose some or all your current party characters permanently due to death from old age or due to the TakeUpMySword trope.



* BeefGate: The Canal Fortress Gate, which is a door guarded by 4 regenerating monsters. Each time you take down one or two, they will respawn. Destroying the gate will allow you to enter the fortress; but if you do, you cannot recruit the City Thief Class and you will also have trouble finding your way around the fortress. Also, said gate fight will have to be repeated if you leave the area and try to get back in. Pretty much all the Seven Heroes except the first Kzinssie battle are Beef Gates.



* BonusDungeon: The Ice/Snow/Sand Ruins, as well as a hidden town which allowed an deeper explanation of the game's backstory.



* ChekhovsVolcano: There is one such volcano. [[spoiler: If you let it erupt, you can get Shadow magic; but lose the Salamander class character in exchange.]]



* ContinuingIsPainful: LP does not replenish by staying at the inn. It's not okay to have a lord running low on LP during an important mission, which can sometimes render the entire quest uncompleted by the next lord.



* GameFavoredGender: The Final Empress as she will be immune to Rocbouquet's Temptation in the final battle, she also has the Moonlight Sword as the default weapon.

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* GameFavoredGender: The Final Empress as she will be immune to Rocbouquet's Temptation in the final battle, and she also has the Moonlight Sword as the default weapon.



* GenerationalSaga: The story chronicles a roughly 500-year lineage of emperors.
* GenerationXerox: This game takes this trope Up to Eleven. It runs on a generational system, but except for Leon, Victor, Gellard, and the Final Emperor/Empress, there will always be the same lines of characters available to provide you quests and similar recruitable characters with PaletteSwap to fill your class rosters no matter how many hundreds of years have passed.



* GlobalCurrency: Crowns.
* GottaKillThemAll: You have to eliminate all Seven Heroes as the story unfolds.



* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: Strange thing is that Noel does not hate Kzinssie at all and STILL sees potential in him.

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* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: Strange thing is that Noel does not hate Kzinssie at all and STILL sees potential in him.HiddenElfVillage: The Village of the Ancients.



* HiveQueen: There is an eponymous villainess leading an army of termites against Avalon. [[spoiler:A Bonus Boss called the Dread Queen is a much stronger version of the Hive Queen.]]
* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: Strange thing is that Noel does not hate Kzinssie at all and STILL sees potential in him.



* LamarckWasRight: The game has a system of inheriting the previous Emperor's abilities. Justified with magic, though.
* LethalLavaLand: Komulune Volcano.



* LostForever: [[spoiler: Coppelia, Mountain Monk if you kill the monster in control of a certain cave, City Thief if you destroy the Canal fortress Gate, Grimoire for Shadow Magic or being able to recruit Salamander depending on what action you take during the second Komulune Island event, Iris; if you use the Helicopter to reach Wagnus.]]
* GlobalCurrency: Crowns.

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* LostForever: [[spoiler: Coppelia, Coppelia; Mountain Monk if you kill the monster in control of a certain cave, cave; City Thief if you destroy the Canal fortress Gate, Fortress Gate; Grimoire for Shadow Magic or being able to recruit Salamander Salamanders depending on what action you take during the second Komulune Island event, Iris; event; Iris, if you use the Helicopter to reach Wagnus.]]
* GlobalCurrency: Crowns.MagicMusic: The 5 instruments of the bard are packed with this. They are required to meet with the Iris race.



* MutuallyExclusiveMagic: This feature has been carried over from the previous ''Romancing [=SaGa=]'' game. However, you can combine specific elements if they are not opposite to each other to create new and more powerful spells.



* NoHeroDiscount: Averted. As a monarch, the player has access to ungodly sums of money from the country's treasury that he/she never has to worry about being able to afford equipment from stores. Building new facilities in the empire, on the other hand...



* NonstandardGameOver: If you fail the Komulune Island mission and allow the volcano to erupt, or perform the South Sea Mermaid quest. These will only happen as the Last Emperor/Empress, though.
* OneWingedAngel: [[spoiler:The Seven Heroes gradually join the amalgamated form in the final battle for every 6,000 damage dealt.]]



* PaletteSwap: Every recruit-able character and emperors except Leon, Gellard, Last Emperor/Empress, and a few others...

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* PaletteSwap: Every recruit-able recruitable character and emperors except Leon, Gellard, Last Emperor/Empress, and a few others...



* PowerLimiter: If you kill Rocbouquet before Noel, he will not allow you to make peace with him and will attack at full power. It is even worse if he is the only remaining hero since he will be the penultimate boss in the final dungeon; he will be in his second form and without the limiter, meaning he will use every technique at his disposal.



* [[FiveBadBand Seven Bad Band]]
** BigBad - Wagnas (however, it is debatable; since all seven act on their own)
** TheDragon - Kzinssie
** EvilGenius - Bokhohn
** TheBrute - Dantarg
** DarkChick - Rocbouquet
** SixthRangerTraitor - Noel [[spoiler:(you can make peace with him provided you don't kill Rocbouquet before talking to him)]], Subier



* SlidingScaleOfLinearityVsOpenness: This game can hover between levels 5 and 6.
* StandardRPGItems: An aversion: the only known item that can restore Life Points can be bought from a witch for 10,000 (the money {{Cap}}).



* TrojanHorse: [[spoiler: The only way to sneak aboard Bokhohn's Land battleship; creating a fake one to draw the enemies away from the real one.]]

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* TraumaInn: If you have the ArtifactOfDoom equipped while sleeping anywhere other than the emperor's/empress' bed, you lose LP.
* TrojanHorse: [[spoiler: The only way to sneak aboard Bokhohn's Land battleship; Battleship; creating a fake one to draw the enemies away from the real one.]]
* UnderwaterBossBattle: You actually fight Subier either underwater or on a boat depending on your actions. [[spoiler:Killing the Master of Ocean will always net you his second form and immediately after clearing the shipwreck.
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22nd Sep '16 2:27:03 PM FlowersforPazuzu
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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Implied to have happened to the Seven Heroes themselves. [[spoiler: Both the Ancients of Austeros and the four memory bosses of the Maze of Memories imply that the Heroes used of Assimilation Magic to craft powerful bodies for themselves from the flesh of monsters in order to fight monsters. This process may have warped their minds and souls to some degree. Being thrown into hell after saving the world doesn't help.]]

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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Implied to have happened to the Seven Heroes themselves. [[spoiler: Both the Ancients of Austeros and the four memory bosses of the Maze of Memories imply that the Heroes used of Assimilation Magic to craft powerful bodies for themselves from the flesh of monsters in order to fight monsters. This process may have warped their minds and souls to some degree. Being thrown into hell after saving the world doesn't help.]]
22nd Sep '16 2:25:42 PM FlowersforPazuzu
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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Implied to have happened to the Seven Heroes themselves. [[spoiler: Both the Ancients of Austeros and the four memory bosses of the Maze of Memories imply that the Heroes used of Assimilation Magic to craft powerful bodies for themselves from the flesh of monsters in order to fight monsters. This process may have warped their minds and souls to some degree. Being thrown into hell after saving the world doesn't help.]]
5th Sep '16 5:25:05 PM MoonlightBomber
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* ActuallyADoombot: [[spoiler:The Seven Heroes you fought through the game were only copies sent by the original. This is why you eventually fought Kzinssie a second time. To end things once and for all, you have to find and destroy their original body.]]

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* ActuallyADoombot: [[spoiler:The Seven Heroes you fought through the game were only copies sent by the original. This is why you eventually fought Kzinssie a second time. To end things once and for all, you have to find and destroy their original body.]] bodies.]]
* AfterCombatRecovery: This game, as well as subsequent entries in the ''[=SaGa=]'' series, uses this setup along with free post-battle resurrections, but only with health points: LP is lost every time a character is KO'd and attacked while they're down, or hit with attacks that directly target LP; and once it hits zero that character is gone for good.


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* AutoRevive: The Revive spell does this.
9th Aug '16 5:23:52 PM MoonlightBomber
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* NoGearLevel: If you choose to sneak aboard Bokhohn's landship by purposely being abducted That being said, characters with StuckItems keep them, making characters like the Molemen a good option for that mission.

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* NoGearLevel: If you choose to sneak aboard Bokhohn's landship by purposely being abducted abducted. That being said, characters with StuckItems keep them, making characters like the Molemen a good option for that mission.
9th Aug '16 4:53:20 PM MoonlightBomber
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* ArtifactOfDoom: The Demonstone Ring; it negates status ailments, but you must sleep in the Emperor's Bed otherwise you lose Life Points at an inn, and it can't be unequipped.
* ArtificialGill: The Fishman Potion. Que the annoying FetchQuest. But as a benefit, you unlock the Nereid Class
* BackFromTheDead: Kzinssie and the Hive Queen who receive massive upgrades.

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* ArtifactOfDoom: The Demonstone Ring; it Ring. It negates status ailments, but you must sleep in the Emperor's Bed otherwise Bed; otherwise, you lose Life Points at an inn, and inn. And it can't be unequipped.
* ArtificialGill: The Fishman Potion. Que Cue the annoying FetchQuest. But as a benefit, you unlock the Nereid Class
Class.
* BackFromTheDead: Kzinssie and the Hive Queen Queen, who both receive massive upgrades.



* BagOfSpilling: Subverted, all the items you are equipped with are sent directly back to storage after completing each generation. It's still annoying to reequip the characters you do have though.

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* BagOfSpilling: Subverted, Subverted; all the items you are equipped with are sent directly back to storage after completing each generation. It's still annoying to reequip the characters you do have though.



* BigCreepyCrawlies: The termites complete with HiveQueen [[spoiler: in which you have to fight twice by the way.]]
* BonusBoss: [[spoiler: Victor and the Dread Queen (Stronger Hive Queen) only in the UpdatedRerelease on i-mode]]

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* BigCreepyCrawlies: The termites termites, complete with the HiveQueen [[spoiler: in which you have to fight twice by the way.]]
* BonusBoss: [[spoiler: Victor and the Dread Queen (Stronger (a stronger Hive Queen) only in the UpdatedRerelease on i-mode]]i-mode, iOS, and Android.]]



* Precursors: [[spoiler: The Ancients were afraid of death and hated fighting; they had a longer lifespan that modern man, after the Seven Heroes saved the world; they were still fearful of death, they used a dimensional device or magic to escape to another dimension.]]

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* Precursors: {{Precursors}}: [[spoiler: The Ancients were afraid of death and hated fighting; they had a longer lifespan that modern man, after the Seven Heroes saved the world; they were still fearful of death, they used a dimensional device or magic to escape to another dimension.]]



** [[spoiler: Victor in the Mobile Remake has this with the Last Emperor]]

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** [[spoiler: Victor in the Mobile Remake has this with the Last Emperor]] Emperor.]]



* ThievesGuild: Using the empires' own graveyard as their base of operations
* TimeSkip: From less than a year to 250 years depending on how many enemies you killed.

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* ThievesGuild: Using One such guild uses the empires' empire's own graveyard as their its base of operations
operations.
* TimeSkip: From less than a year to 250 years years, depending on how many enemies you killed.
31st Jul '16 9:14:56 PM MoonlightBomber
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[[caption-width-right:350:Of all the songs of triumph I have to sing, none are as melodious as that of Avalon.]]
31st Jul '16 9:13:04 PM MoonlightBomber
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"This is the Legend of the Seven Heroes...\\
Once, they subdued countless hordes of demons, and saved the world...\\
And then vanished from it...\\
Kujinshi... Subier... Dantarg... Noel...\\
Bokuohn... Rocbouquet... Wagnas...\\
And one day, so they say, they will return to save the world again..."

Long after the people were scattered across the world, they told the legend, and were thankful for their salvation...

However, as peace and prosperity came, the legend was forgotten...

The world of man was once again prosperous. The peaceful times that brought stability to the nations came to an end. An era of division and war began...

And the names of the Seven were spoken once more...

...and then... they came...

...so they say....

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"This is the ->The Legend of the Seven Heroes...Heroes.\\
Once, they subdued They defeated countless hordes of demons, monsters and saved the world...world.\\
And But then vanished from it...they vanished.\\
Kujinshi... Subier... Dantarg... Kzinssie, Subier, Dantarg, Noel...\\
Bokuohn... Rocbouquet... Wagnas...Bokhohn, Rocbouquet, and Wagnus.\\
And one day, so they say, It is rumored that they will return one day to save the world again..."

Long after
once again.\\
\\
Their legend was often spoken of when the world was in turmoil.\\
\\
But they were forgotten when peace graced the lands.\\
\\
Kingdoms come and kingdoms fall.\\
With each turn of the hourglass,\\
peace is shattered and strife\\
engulfs every corner of the land.\\
\\
In their time of need,
the people were scattered across the world, they told the legend, and were thankful for their salvation...

However, as peace and prosperity came, the legend was forgotten...

The world of man was
turned once again prosperous. The peaceful times that brought stability more to the nations came to an end. An era of division and war began...

And the names of
the Seven were spoken once more...

...and then...
Heroes.\\
\\
Then
they came...

...so they say....
came.\\
\\
However...\\




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* [[spoiler:ActuallyADoombot: The Seven Heroes you fought through the game were only copies sent by the original. This is why you eventually fought Kujinshi a second time. To end things once and for all, you have to find and destroy their original body.]]

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* [[spoiler:ActuallyADoombot: The ActuallyADoombot: [[spoiler:The Seven Heroes you fought through the game were only copies sent by the original. This is why you eventually fought Kujinshi Kzinssie a second time. To end things once and for all, you have to find and destroy their original body.]]



* BackFromTheDead: Kujinshi and the Hive Queen who receive massive upgrades.

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* BackFromTheDead: Kujinshi Kzinssie and the Hive Queen who receive massive upgrades.



* BattleshipRaid: (A Land Battleship!)
* BecauseDestinySaysSo: [[spoiler: It was first shirked off by Emperor Leon until his eldest son was killed by Kujinshi.]]
* BigBad: Wagnas is the Leader of the Seven Heroes. Also, he's also the most difficult.

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* BattleshipRaid: (A A Land Battleship!)
Battleship!
* BecauseDestinySaysSo: [[spoiler: It was first shirked off by Emperor Leon until his eldest son was killed by Kujinshi.Kzinssie.]]
* BigBad: Wagnas Wagnus is the Leader leader of the Seven Heroes. Also, he's also the most difficult.difficult to fight.



* TheChessmaster: (Bokuohn; as he commands a large number of the monsters under the command of the Seven Heroes)

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* TheChessmaster: (Bokuohn; Bokhohn; as he commands a large number of the monsters under the command of the Seven Heroes)Heroes.



* ClingyCostume: (Subverted) The Iron Will, which can negate mental ailments such as charm but can't be unequipped if gotten through cheats. Some Classes have a permanent 4th item which cannot be removed either

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* ClingyCostume: (Subverted) Subverted. The Iron Will, which can negate mental ailments such as charm Charm, but can't be unequipped if gotten through cheats. Some Classes have a permanent 4th item which cannot be removed either either.



* FlamingSword: (Providence Cut Technique)

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* FlamingSword: (Providence The Providence Cut Technique)technique.



* HelloInsertNameHere (Subverted) Will only appear in Final Generation
* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: Strange thing is that Noel does not hate Kujinshi at all and STILL sees potential in him

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* HelloInsertNameHere (Subverted) Will only appear in Final Generation
HelloInsertNameHere: Subverted with every character but the final generation ones.
* HorribleJudgeOfCharacter: Strange thing is that Noel does not hate Kujinshi Kzinssie at all and STILL sees potential in himhim.



* LifeEnergy: (LP)
* LostForever: [[spoiler: Coppelia, Mountain Monk if you kill the monster in control of a certain cave, City Thief if you destroy the Canal fortress Gate, Grimoire for Shadow Magic or being able to recruit Salamander depending on what action you take during the second Komulune Island event, Iris; if you use the Helicopter to reach Wagnas.]]

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* LifeEnergy: (LP)
LP, as per the ''[=SaGa=]'' series standard. Run out of them, and you are as good as dead.
* LostForever: [[spoiler: Coppelia, Mountain Monk if you kill the monster in control of a certain cave, City Thief if you destroy the Canal fortress Gate, Grimoire for Shadow Magic or being able to recruit Salamander depending on what action you take during the second Komulune Island event, Iris; if you use the Helicopter to reach Wagnas.Wagnus.]]



* NoExportForYou: ''[=SaGa=]'' is fairly good at getting across the pond, but this game never made it. It was rereleased on the VirtualConsole in Japan, but there's no word on a translation. A FanTranslation by Aeon Genesis was in the works, but never made it out of DevelopmentHell. Now averted with the worldwide iOS/Android port.
* NoGearLevel: If you choose to sneak aboard Bokuohn's landship by purposely being abducted That being said, characters with StuckItems keep them, making characters like the Molemen a good option for that mission.

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* NoExportForYou: ''[=SaGa=]'' is fairly good at getting across the pond, but this game never made it. It was rereleased on the VirtualConsole in Japan, but there's no word on a translation. A FanTranslation by Aeon Genesis was in the works, but never made it out of DevelopmentHell. Now averted with the worldwide iOS/Android port.
* NoGearLevel: If you choose to sneak aboard Bokuohn's Bokhohn's landship by purposely being abducted That being said, characters with StuckItems keep them, making characters like the Molemen a good option for that mission.



* RemadeForTheExport: The iOS/Android port.



* ShoutOut: The names of one particular group ([[spoiler:the Seven Heroes]]) are actually anagrams of stops in train lines in Japan. Also, the music from the GameBoy ''[=SaGa=]'' games is used in one scenario.
* SixthRanger: Kujinshi was the last person to join the group and is pretty much hated even within the group, because of his ill-manners. Apparently, that's the reason why the player fights him in the very beginning, because [[UriahGambit Wagnas and Co uses him as a meat-shield]].

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* ShoutOut: The names of one particular group ([[spoiler:the Seven Heroes]]) are actually anagrams of stops in train lines in Japan. Japan (specifically, the [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamanote_Line Tokyo Yamanote Line]]). Also, the music from the GameBoy UsefulNotes/GameBoy ''[=SaGa=]'' games is used in one scenario.
* SixthRanger: Kujinshi Kzinssie was the last person to join the group and is pretty much hated even within the group, because of his ill-manners. ill manners. Apparently, that's the reason why the player fights him in the very beginning, because [[UriahGambit Wagnas Wagnus and Co uses co. use him as a meat-shield]].



* SupportingLeader: Noel is Wagnas' best friend and the one whom organizes the group. For instance, he recruited Dantag and Kujinshi. Considering he is the most normal one of the group, this should not be overly surprising

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* SupportingLeader: Noel is Wagnas' Wagnus' best friend and the one whom organizes the group. For instance, he recruited Dantag Dantarg and Kujinshi. Kzinssie. Considering he is the most normal one of the group, this should not be overly surprisingsurprising.



* ThanatosGambit: [[spoiler: To allow Kujinshi to be defeated, the first emperor allowed him to use Soul Steal on him so that he could learn the secrets of this attack and then by mean of the transmission magic transmit it to his son Gellard.]]

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* ThanatosGambit: [[spoiler: To allow Kujinshi Kzinssie to be defeated, the first emperor allowed him to use Soul Steal on him so that he could learn the secrets of this attack and then by mean of the transmission magic transmit it to his son Gellard.]]



* TookALevelInBadass: Gellard, [[spoiler: after his father's death by Kujinshi.]]

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* TookALevelInBadass: Gellard, [[spoiler: after his father's death by Kujinshi.Kzinssie.]]



* TrojanHorse: [[spoiler: The only way to sneak aboard Bokuohn's Land battleship; creating a fake one to draw the enemies away from the real one.]]

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* TrojanHorse: [[spoiler: The only way to sneak aboard Bokuohn's Bokhohn's Land battleship; creating a fake one to draw the enemies away from the real one.]]



* UpdatedRerelease: For the Wii's virtual console and the i-mode phone. Includes new dungeons and bosses

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* UpdatedRerelease: For the Wii's virtual console and the Virtual Console, i-mode phone. Includes phone, and [=iOS=] and Android phones. The ports include new dungeons and bossesbosses.
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