Follow TV Tropes

Following

History VideoGame / PokemonFireRedRocketEdition

Go To

OR

Added: 719

Changed: 443

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* AdaptationalJerkass: After defeating the player, Red seems to make off with ''two'' fossils instead of one like in canon, [[spoiler:but it's actually subverted since the Fossil Maniac was lying to the Rockets about that. You get to find him later in Pewter City Museum, pay him back for it, and take a Fossil yourself.]]

to:

* AdaptationalJerkass: AdaptationalJerkass:
**
After defeating the player, Red seems to make off with ''two'' fossils instead of one like in canon, [[spoiler:but it's actually subverted since the Fossil Maniac was lying to the Rockets about that. You get to find him later in Pewter City Museum, pay him back for it, and take a Fossil yourself.]]



** Surprisingly, Oak is more callous to his own grandson and doesn't comfort him over [[spoiler:Raticate.]] When Blue loses his Champion title, he sadly mutters to himself that he just wanted to hear his grandfather say how proud he was, which tragically never happened.



* AdaptationalRelationshipOverhaul: In the games, Ariana is just a loyal admin to Giovanni. In here, [[spoiler:it's implied she's married to him, thus making her Silver's mother]].

to:

* AdaptationalRelationshipOverhaul: AdaptationalRelationshipOverhaul:
**
In the games, Ariana is just a loyal admin to Giovanni. In here, [[spoiler:it's implied she's married to him, thus making her Silver's mother]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* NobodyHereButUsStatues: While down in [[spoiler:Oak's Secret Lab]], you come across a couple of statues whose eyes glow red when you bypass them, but otherwise do nothing. However, upon passing the fifth one, it comes to life, revelaing to be a Guard Robot of sorts, and engages you in a Pokemon battle. [[spoiler:You can even steal from it too after defeating it]].

to:

* NobodyHereButUsStatues: While down in [[spoiler:Oak's Secret Lab]], you come across a couple of statues whose eyes glow red when you bypass them, but otherwise do nothing. However, upon passing the fifth one, it comes to life, revelaing revealing it to be a Guard Robot of sorts, and engages you in a Pokemon battle. [[spoiler:You can even steal from it too after defeating it]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist: While Giovanni and his admins are genuine when they say they fight against Lance's rule, most of the rank-and-file grunts joined the organization for the money or ForTheEvulz.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
dewicking Cloning Blues


* CloningBlues: Besides the whole Mewtwo Project, it's also revealed that [[spoiler:Oak made one out of a human boy with unique and unwavering qualities, raised for Pokemon battle, not subject to the same limitations as a normal human Trainer. He would coldly and objectively devise battle strategies, push his Pokemon to their limits like a dispassionate puppetmaster, controlling their actions by afar, as if by the click of a button. This clone turns out to be Red, and his mother (since Oak could not grow him in the lab alone into a grown boy) is a sterile widow from Pallet loyal to Oak since they were young, who would adopt Red as her own child. Red would only be imprinted the following thoughts; Oak is a trusted father figure, and that his word, for his own good, is law]].

to:

* CloningBlues: Besides the whole Mewtwo Project, it's also ChildSoldier: It's revealed that [[spoiler:Oak made one out of a human boy with unique and unwavering qualities, raised for Pokemon battle, not subject to the same limitations as a normal human Trainer. He would coldly and objectively devise battle strategies, push his Pokemon to their limits like a dispassionate puppetmaster, controlling their actions by afar, as if by the click of a button. This clone turns out to be Red, and his mother (since Oak could not grow him in the lab alone into a grown boy) is a sterile widow from Pallet loyal to Oak since they were young, who would adopt Red as her own child. Red would only be imprinted the following thoughts; Oak is a trusted father figure, and that his word, for his own good, is law]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** At the end of the main game, during your trial, if your bounty was very high, [[spoiler: you can end up spending upwards of twenty plus years in penitentiary]]. If your bounty was zero, however, [[spoiler:you only spend ''one'' year in prison]].

to:

** At the end of the main game, during your trial, if your bounty was very high, [[spoiler: you can end up spending upwards up to a maximum of twenty plus ''''''130''''' years in penitentiary]]. If your bounty was zero, however, [[spoiler:you only spend ''one'' year in prison]].



** Ronnie sics his Ratticate and has him use Hyper Fang on [[spoiler:Daisy]] after you defeated her in a Pokémon battle and she's defenseless. [[spoiler:She's only wounded ultimately, but it's still a mean move.]]

to:

** Ronnie sics his Ratticate Raticate and has him use Hyper Fang on [[spoiler:Daisy]] after you defeated her in a Pokémon battle and she's defenseless. [[spoiler:She's only wounded ultimately, but it's still a mean move.]]

Added: 353

Removed: 242

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* DevelopersForesight: If you actually do manage to beat [[HopelessBossFight Red]] in your first battle against him in Mt. Moon - legitimately or not - Red will actually talk in post-battle dialogue, [[SoreLoser accusing the player directly of cheating]] [[BreakingTheFourthWall and asking them to just pretend like Red won to keep the plot on track.]]



** If you actually do manage to beat Red - legitimately or not - Red will actually talk, [[SoreLoser accusing the player directly of cheating]] [[BreakingTheFourthWall and asking them to just pretend like Red won to keep the plot on track.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Given that none of them are traded (and therefore wouldn't have obedience issues), this isn't cheating, he's just obsessed with level grinding. A player could have the same level pokemon at that point if they really wanted.


* TheComputerIsACheatingBastard: When you face Red at Mt. Moon, ''his Pokémon are between level 22 and 25 despite him only having one Badge!''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* GreyAndGrayMorality: Team Rocket is very much a criminal organization, but several members (including the player character, depending on your choices) have NobleDemon qualities to them; on the flip side, many of the "heroic" characters are far more shady than they were in canon.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* StupidEvil: Ronnie often goes overboard when trying to be the tough criminal. Due to the series' more realistic tone, it's quickly deconstructed when his unwanton acts of villainy ends up bringing too many unwanted attention of Team Rocket.

to:

* StupidEvil: Ronnie often goes overboard when trying to be the tough criminal. Due to the series' more realistic tone, it's quickly deconstructed when his unwanton wanton acts of villainy ends up bringing too many much unwanted attention of toward Team Rocket.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* TheBusCameBack: After [[spoiler:getting fired from Team Rocket by Giovanni due to being instrumental in the failore at Silph Co.]], Ronnie makes a return appearance at the Indigo Plateau [[spoiler:as an independent goon, and you later ask for his help in getting through the guard to the Elite Four to stop Red]].

to:

* TheBusCameBack: After [[spoiler:getting fired from Team Rocket by Giovanni due to being instrumental in the failore failure at Silph Co.]], Ronnie makes a return appearance at the Indigo Plateau [[spoiler:as an independent goon, and you later ask for his help in getting through the guard to the Elite Four to stop Red]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** If for some reason you lost a Pokemon with Surf, an NPC in Cinnnabar's Pokemon Center will sell you a Goldeen for 1000 Pokedollars. However, this turns out to be a subversion and KazioTrap of sorts, because the game glitches out once you try to leave the Pokemon Center. [[AreYouSureYouWantToDoThat So you better be sure you're Arceus-damned ready before you accept the mission to fight the Catastrophe!]]

to:

** If for some reason you lost a Pokemon with Surf, an NPC in Cinnnabar's Pokemon Center will sell you a Goldeen for 1000 Pokedollars. However, this turns out to be a subversion and KazioTrap KaizoTrap of sorts, because the game glitches out once you try to leave the Pokemon Center. [[AreYouSureYouWantToDoThat So you better be sure you're Arceus-damned ready before you accept the mission to fight the Catastrophe!]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
trope cut


* FalseTeethTomfoolery: The Safari Zone Warden has a set of [[GoldTooth gold teeth]] like this. To get into the Safari Zone, you need to get the jump on the Warden from behind and shock his teeth out. That way, he can't warn the employee at the gate of your inauthenticity

to:

* FalseTeethTomfoolery: The Safari Zone Warden has a set of [[GoldTooth gold teeth]] teeth like this. To get into the Safari Zone, you need to get the jump on the Warden from behind and shock his teeth out. That way, he can't warn the employee at the gate of your inauthenticityinauthenticity.

Added: 4202

Changed: 626

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* {{Gangbangers}}: Two biker gangs occupy Cycling Road, the Tops on the side next to Celadon, and the Bottoms next to Fuchsia. The Tops hold respect for Team Rocket, while the Bottoms do not [[spoiler: unless you beat Julien, but this will cost you your reputation with the Tops]].



* {{Jerkass}}: The main character, due to their affiliation with Team Rocket.

to:

* InsurmountableWaistHighFence
** Trying to use the Underground Paths will have you blocked by two people getting cold feet in deciding to enter or not.
** Trying to go to Pewter City from Mt. Moon before you complete your mission for Bill will have you stopped by a friendly Biker warning you about the cops just ahead asking people about Team Rocket's activities in Mt. Moon earlier.
** If you try to go to Lavender Town for Vermillion City through Saffron before you acquire the stuff needed for Lt. Surge, you're blocked off by a couple advertising snacks and fountain repair inspection talking to their respective border guards respectively.
** While you can get past where Ronnie is waiting for you after you battle Blue at Nugget Bridge via Fly or Teleport, you can't advance the plot until you talk to him, but you can see the cop guarding the house Ronnie's team just robbed and are still prevented from approaching him.
* {{Jerkass}}: The main character, due to their affiliation with Team Rocket. But depending on your actions, he may [[JerkWithAHeartOfJerk or may not]] [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold have a decent side to him]].



* {{Sidequest}}: There are quite a few of these, but here are the biggest ones.
** First is the Underground Path sidequest involving two rival "brothel" services. The manager in the Horizontal path talks about how the younger manager in the Vertical Path had poached one of his girls, specifically the one from Hoenn, and wants you to bring her back to him. When you confront this manager, Cooltrainer Julien, he'll attempt to bribe you with 5000. If you accept, you fail this sidequest, but it affects another sidequest later on. If you refuse, you battle him, and the Hoenn girl returns to the other manager (but not before she asks you if you can help her find some other job), and he rewards you with an Amulet Coin (remember to get this first if you're going to complete the sidequest below).
** Second is from the Pewter City Pokémon Center nurse. She believes her boyfriend, the cop in Viridian City, is cheating on her, and you're tasked with beating him up. Once you find him, then battle him, the situation is cleared up when it turns out the other woman is actually a Jynx an old man is tasking him to look after for a bit. The cop then asks him to clear up the situation with the Nurse in Pewter. Once you do, she rewards you with a Red Flute. The Nurse then asks you if you can find some other beautiful girl who can take her shifts since she wants to visit her boyfriend but can't due to the work hours. You have to approach the Hoenn girl from the Underground Path sidequest (if you didn't accept Julien's bribe), and inform her of the job. She's ecstatic to go, but you have to fight the manager first, who doesn't want her to leave. Once you beat him, he concedes and lets her go. When you meet her again at the Pewter City Pokémon Center and talk to her, she'll gift you the Strength HM.
** Third is the Cycling Road sidequest, only available once you're an Executive. You first talk to the Tops gang leader, who will inform you about a saboteur from the Bottoms messing with them. But to talk to the Bottoms leader, you have to fight four of his "Falcons" on the Road (they're blue compared to the standard pink and the Tops' yellow) before his goons blocking the way will let you meet him. After battling him, you can talk to Julien from the Underground Path sidequest, who was also blocked off by Bottoms Bikers. If you rejected his bribe, he'll battle you again, then reveal he's scapegoated you as the responsible saboteur. If you accepted his bribe, he'll recognize you, then inform you of a Bottoms impostor posing as a Tops Biker being responsible for the Tops' troubles. Confront that rat Biker Ruben (talk to him multiple times in a row), beat him in battle, and you'll out him. The Tops' leader will gift you the Strength HM as a reward. This makes this sidequest and the above mutually exclusive.



* YouAreInCommandNow: After Giovanni's defeat at Viridian Gym just as you were called to him, he retires from Team Rocket and leaves behind a briefcase with money, and a letter to you congratulating your progress, as well as a last will to take on the Elite Four, deliver his revenge on Red, Lance, and Oak, make a mark on history for Team Rocket, before disbanding it for good.
** Deconstructed in that not everyone is receptive of this change.
*** In terms of Gym Leader position, [[spoiler:Ariana takes the reins, and before you can even challenge her, you must defeat all the other Gym Leaders first. Once you defeat her, she follows Giovanni's example and vanishes]].

to:

* YouAreInCommandNow: After Giovanni's defeat at Viridian Gym just as you were called to him, he retires from Team Rocket and leaves behind a briefcase with money, and a letter to you congratulating your progress, as well as a last will to take on the Elite Four, deliver his revenge on Red, Lance, and Oak, make a mark on history for Team Rocket, before disbanding it for good.
**
good. Deconstructed in that not everyone is receptive of this change.
*** ** In terms of Gym Leader position, [[spoiler:Ariana takes the reins, and before you can even challenge her, you must defeat all the other Gym Leaders first. Once you defeat her, she follows Giovanni's example and vanishes]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* SealedEvilInACan: [[spoiler:Missingno]], courtesy of failsafes by [[spoiler:Dr. Shigeki, though he does fear the can would fail eventually]]. So when the player confronts him, [[spoiler:he hands the task of subduing it to them]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: Clearly on the cynical side. Kanto is crime-ridden, police is corrupt, people are often apathetic towards the rampant criminality, the leader Lance plans to make sell some parts of the country to big companies, and when the VillainProtagonist thwarts the BigBad's EvilPlan [[spoiler:he's still arrested even if the player chose to avoid stealing Pokémon]].

to:

* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: Clearly on the cynical side. Kanto is crime-ridden, police is corrupt, people are often apathetic towards the rampant criminality, the leader Lance plans to make sell some parts of the country to big companies, and when the VillainProtagonist thwarts the BigBad's EvilPlan [[spoiler:he's still arrested even if the player chose to avoid stealing Pokémon]].

Top