History ValuesDissonance / WesternAnimation

19th Apr '18 12:49:30 PM Monolaf317
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** Warner Bros. made a case of avoiding censorship in favor of historical accuracy when releasing the ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Golden Collection''. The material in first two volumes has not been altered, since most of those cartoons were the ones people remembered from their childhood that had very little offensive content (i.e., ''WesternAnimation/OneFroggyEvening'', the Rabbit Season/Duck Season cartoons, etc.). Meanwhile, volumes 4-6 and the ''Looney Tunes Superstars'' collection have a [[http://imgur.com/gallery/sOklpJa title card warning viewers about the potentially unsuitable content]], due to the values shifts.[[note]]In case the image link goes down, the warning goes as follows: “The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today’s society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.”[[/note]]

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** Warner Bros. made a case of avoiding censorship in favor of historical accuracy when releasing the ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes Golden Collection''. The material in first two volumes has not been altered, since most of those cartoons were the ones people remembered from their childhood that had very little offensive content (i.e., ''WesternAnimation/OneFroggyEvening'', the Rabbit Season/Duck Season cartoons, etc.). Meanwhile, volumes 4-6 and the ''Looney Tunes Superstars'' collection have a [[http://imgur.com/gallery/sOklpJa title card warning viewers about the potentially unsuitable content]], due to the values shifts.shifts, pictured above.[[note]]In case the image link goes down, down or the page image gets changed, the warning goes as follows: “The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today’s society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed.”[[/note]]
16th Apr '18 9:01:27 PM WanderingBrowser
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** An unusual example of this trope's relation to the Simpsons is that it's directly responsible for Bart's MenaceDecay. In the 90s, Bart was a legitimately nasty kid a lot of the time, with things like repeated vandalization (spray-painting "El Barto" everywhere), truancy, pranks, and so forth, even if he did have some moral limits (like his shame after having stolen a videogame). However, as the 90s rolled on, BlackComedy and DeadBabyComedy animated shows became increasingly mainstream. Thus, even with late seasons trying to use {{flanderization}} to keep Bart "menacing", to kids that are regularly watching shows like ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' (where the kids swear all the time and get involved in lots of violent or sexual situations) and ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' (where drug use, sex, gore and murder are routinely played for laughs), Bart seems laughably tame. This is perfectly lampshaded in the Simpsons/Family Guy crossover episode, where Bart finds Stewie horrifying and far too hardcore for him to handle.
6th Apr '18 1:37:37 PM Kissinger113
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* Disney again - in their adaptation of ''Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'', a student draws a caricature of Ichabod Crane. He is about to smack the kid with the pointer - at the time the story was set, this was actually standard behaviour for schoolteachers. (As late as the 1960s, unruly kids may get smacked in the hand with a ruler.)
6th Apr '18 1:36:30 PM Kissinger113
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5th Apr '18 5:07:41 PM Monolaf317
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* Canadian shows like ''WesternAnimation/{{Sixteen}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaIsland'' often have different standards compared to American shows. Canada isn't afraid to show [[StraightGay gay characters and/or couples,]] [[AllPeriodsArePMS menstruation,]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and dirtier words]] to preteens while the States are bit more sensitive to these sort of topics, and thus edit/ban those certain episodes from their syndication.

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* Canadian shows like ''WesternAnimation/{{Sixteen}}'' and ''WesternAnimation/TotalDramaIsland'' often have different standards compared to American shows. Canada isn't afraid to show [[StraightGay gay characters and/or couples,]] couples,]][[labelnote:note]]Canada legalized gay marriage in July 2005; the US didn't until nearly ''ten years later''.[[/labelnote]] [[AllPeriodsArePMS menstruation,]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and dirtier words]] to preteens while the States are bit more sensitive to these sort of topics, and thus edit/ban those certain episodes from their syndication.
31st Mar '18 2:10:19 AM SimpsonsLover24
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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from circa 2005 onward, such scenes have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".

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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, like in the United Kingdom for example, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. NakedPeopleAreFunny, and still do when shown in Europe and Asia. But from circa 2005 onward, such scenes in USA-produced cartoons have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
25th Mar '18 6:37:57 PM RAraya
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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstrelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DeepSouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] [[OliveGarden Luigi,]] [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]

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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes.stereotypes (especially the "dishonest shopkeeper" part). One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstrelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DeepSouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] [[OliveGarden Luigi,]] [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]



** A school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Badasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].

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** A school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Badasssss Baadasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].
25th Mar '18 6:31:47 PM RAraya
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** In "Lost Our Lisa", Homer being called a bad parent because he gave permission for Lisa to use public transportation on her own, at aged eight. In many places around the world, this would simply be a commonplace event, but in the most fearful parts of America...

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** In "Lost Our Lisa", Homer being called a bad parent because he gave permission for Lisa to use public transportation on her own, at aged eight. In many places around parts of the world, Old World, this would simply be a commonplace event, but in the most fearful parts of America...elsewhere...



*** Unless it's by the seaside in which case gambling with real money (abeit small stakes) is not only legal in the UK and parts of Europe but is a normal part of growing up, teaching kids the valuable lesson of "Don't bet what you can't lose."

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*** Unless it's by the seaside seaside, in which case gambling with real money (abeit (albeit small stakes) is not only legal in the UK and parts of Europe but is a normal part of growing up, teaching kids the valuable lesson of "Don't bet what you can't lose."



** A school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].

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** A school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Badasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].



** One in-universe example occured in a 2010s episode where Marge gets arrested for letting Bart [[FreeRangeChildren go to the park alone]]. She mentions that her parents let her stay outside all day back in the 60s. However, in the 2010s allowing young children alone is more looked down upon (especially in suburban and urban areas) due to fears that they will be kidnapped, injured, get lost, etc.

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** One in-universe example occured occurred in a 2010s 2010s-era episode where Marge gets arrested for letting Bart [[FreeRangeChildren go to the park alone]]. She mentions that her parents let her stay outside all day back in the 60s.60s, and in fact Bart and Lisa (even Maggie) have been featured roaming on their own in the 90s and 2000s (most notably in "Lost Our Lisa"). However, in the 2010s allowing young children alone is more looked down upon (especially in suburban and urban areas) due to fears that they will be kidnapped, injured, get lost, etc.
11th Mar '18 8:54:14 AM Monolaf317
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal gods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays.[[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal gods, gods; Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, squinty-eyed; black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, watermelons; Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, TontoTalk; Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays.[[/note]]
20th Feb '18 5:59:51 PM Monolaf317
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal gods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal gods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]



* Disney again - in their adaptation of "Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'', a student draws a caricature of Ichabod Crane. He is about to smack the kid with the pointer - at the time the story was set, this was actually standard behaviour for schoolteachers. (As late as the 1960s, unruly kids may get smacked in the hand with a ruler.)

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* Disney again - in their adaptation of "Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'', ''Disney/TheAdventuresOfIchabodAndMrToad'', a student draws a caricature of Ichabod Crane. He is about to smack the kid with the pointer - at the time the story was set, this was actually standard behaviour for schoolteachers. (As late as the 1960s, unruly kids may get smacked in the hand with a ruler.)
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