History ValuesDissonance / WesternAnimation

20th Sep '17 10:49:29 AM Pichu-kun
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** In the 2000s, The Simpsons were dubbed in Arabic, but significant changes were made. Since drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries, most references to liquor were cut or changed to non-alcoholic beverages (Homer's precious Duff Beer was changed to Duff Soda) and references to pork chops and hot dogs (which aren't considered halal[[note]]the Islamic version of "kosher"[[/note]]) were changed to Egyptian beef sausages. Arabic fans of the show weren't impressed though with the "edited to conform to Islamic law" version, as they were used to seeing the series uncut with Arabic subtitles.

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** In the 2000s, The Simpsons ''The Simpsons'' were dubbed in Arabic, but significant changes were made. Since drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries, most references to liquor were cut or changed to non-alcoholic beverages (Homer's precious Duff Beer was changed to Duff Soda) and references to pork chops and hot dogs (which aren't considered halal[[note]]the Islamic version of "kosher"[[/note]]) were changed to Egyptian beef sausages. Arabic fans of the show weren't impressed though with the "edited to conform to Islamic law" version, as they were used to seeing the series uncut with Arabic subtitles.



* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether". Foxxy Love gets a brain tumor that causes her to become a negative, outdated black American stereotype who was obsessed with "rolling dem bones"[[note]]dice games[[/note]], became a Mammy for the rest of the house, and spoke in an even more exaggerted jive then she did before. The FCC then comes to bring her to an erasement camp along with other politically incorrect cartoons, even when Spanky explains an Aesop about how even though we may not be proud of our previously portrayals of minorities characters, we shouldn't try to deny that they're part of history.

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* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether".''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether''. Foxxy Love gets a brain tumor that causes her to become a negative, outdated black American stereotype who was obsessed with "rolling dem bones"[[note]]dice games[[/note]], became a Mammy for the rest of the house, and spoke in an even more exaggerted jive then she did before. The FCC then comes to bring her to an erasement camp along with other politically incorrect cartoons, even when Spanky explains an Aesop about how even though we may not be proud of our previously portrayals of minorities characters, we shouldn't try to deny that they're part of history.
5th Sep '17 7:21:57 AM CorahsUncle
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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the mid-2000s onwards, such scenes have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
* The 1980s ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' cartoons, and to lesser degree the 1990s direct-to-video features, had the Chipettes dress in [[AgeInappropriateDress risque clothes]] despite being children (certain episodes imply they're as young as eight). BellyDancer clothing, [[BareYourMidriff short shirts]], Burlesque dresses, etc. That wouldn't fly with audiences anymore even if they were only intended to be fashionable or cute, and they're dressed up more in ''WesternAnimation/AlvinnnAndTheChipmunks''. There's also some scenes of them taking a bath in a ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'' parody episode that wouldn't exist in 21st century cartoons. The [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks films]] got away with nude Chipettes because they're chipmunk sized and look like chipmunks. In the 1980s cartoon they looked like girls with chipmunk noses because [[FurIsSkin their fur was skin toned]] and they were human sized.

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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the mid-2000s onwards, circa 2005 onward, such scenes have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
* The 1980s ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' cartoons, and to lesser degree the 1990s direct-to-video features, had the Chipettes dress in [[AgeInappropriateDress risque risqué clothes]] despite being children (certain episodes imply they're as young as eight). 8): BellyDancer clothing, [[BareYourMidriff short shirts]], Burlesque dresses, etc. That wouldn't fly with audiences anymore even if they were only intended to be fashionable or cute, and they're dressed up more in ''WesternAnimation/AlvinnnAndTheChipmunks''. There's also some scenes of them taking a bath in a ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'' parody episode that wouldn't exist in 21st century cartoons. The [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks films]] got away with nude Chipettes because they're chipmunk sized and look like chipmunks. In the 1980s cartoon they looked like girls with chipmunk noses because [[FurIsSkin their fur was skin toned]] and they were human sized.



* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque jokes or having rather skimpy attire.

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* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque risqué jokes or having rather skimpy attire.attire.
* Even the 1980s series of ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleRascals'' has some examples:
** Many shorts have the Rascals as FreeRangeChildren, traveling without adult supervision.
** In "Rascals' Revenge", Alfalfa lets Darla precede him out of the shed by saying, "Ladies first." She thanks him with a kiss. Both are likely to be considered sexist stereotypes now.
** "Cap'n Spanky's Showboat" is infamous for [[FootFocus Darla and Buckwheat cleaning the steamboat's deck while barefoot]].
** In the 30-second short "Out on a Limb", Alfalfa pushes Spanky in a swing. That could be considered homoerotic today.
** Two shorts involve cross-dressing. In "Just Desserts", Alfalfa is DraggedIntoDrag to replace the ailing Darla in the baking contest, and in "Fright Night", Darla dresses in imitation of Alfalfa.
26th Aug '17 5:36:10 PM boatsnot
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*** The WarTimeCartoon ''WesternAnimation/AnyBondsToday'' has one scene where Bugs sings in {{Blackface}}, imitating Music/AlJolson, but most people unaware of the reference [[EverythingIsRacist assume he is imitating a black person]].

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*** The WarTimeCartoon ''WesternAnimation/AnyBondsToday'' has one scene where Bugs sings in {{Blackface}}, imitating Music/AlJolson, but most people unaware of the reference [[EverythingIsRacist assume he is imitating a black person]].Music/AlJolson.
28th Jul '17 2:47:22 PM RossN
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* In "Summer of 4 Ft. 2" a depressed Lisa's sighs that her only only friends are writers like Gore Vidal, "and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will." Marge quickly corrects her that boys kiss ''girls''. When the episode first aired in 1996 it was common to portray a character uncomfortable with mentioning homosexuality as just slightly behind the times or clueless (or both - part of the joke is that Marge has no idea who Vidal is.) To a modern viewer it is quite startling to hear such a homophobic comment from as likeable character as Marge at all, still less to have it go unchallenged.

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* ** In "Summer of 4 Ft. 2" a depressed Lisa's sighs that her only only friends are writers like Gore Vidal, "and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will." Marge quickly corrects her that boys kiss ''girls''. When the episode first aired in 1996 it was common to portray a character uncomfortable with mentioning homosexuality as just slightly behind the times or clueless (or both - part of the joke is that Marge has no idea who Vidal is.) To a modern viewer it is quite startling to hear such a homophobic comment from as likeable character as Marge at all, still less to have it go unchallenged.
28th Jul '17 2:46:42 PM RossN
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* In "Summer of 4 Ft. 2" a depressed Lisa's sighs that her only only friends are writers like Gore Vidal, "and even he's kissed more boys than I ever will." Marge quickly corrects her that boys kiss ''girls''. When the episode first aired in 1996 it was common to portray a character uncomfortable with mentioning homosexuality as just slightly behind the times or clueless (or both - part of the joke is that Marge has no idea who Vidal is.) To a modern viewer it is quite startling to hear such a homophobic comment from as likeable character as Marge at all, still less to have it go unchallenged.
25th Jun '17 6:44:10 PM Pichu-kun
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* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque jokes or having rather skimpy attire.
19th Jun '17 2:04:46 PM Pichu-kun
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** Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.



** One in-universe example occured in a 2010s episode where Marge gets arrested for letting Bart [[FreeRangeChildren go to the park alone]]. She mentions that her parents let her stay outside all day back in the 60s. However, in the 2010s allowing young children alone is more looked down upon (especially in suburban and urban areas) due to fears that they will be kidnapped, injured, get lost, etc.



* The black-and-white incarnation of WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse engages in some behavior that modern audiences would find questionable. In ''Steamboat Willie'' he inflicts violence on a bunch of animals as part of a gag and in ''Plane Crazy'' he subjects Minnie to what would be considered sexual assault today.

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* The black-and-white incarnation of WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse engages in some behavior that modern audiences would find questionable. In ''Steamboat Willie'' ''WesternAnimation/SteamboatWillie'' he inflicts violence on a bunch of animals as part of a gag and in ''Plane Crazy'' ''WesternAnimation/PlaneCrazy'' he subjects Minnie to what would be considered sexual assault today.



* Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.
19th Jun '17 1:59:36 PM Pichu-kun
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* Speaking of old cartoons coming off as having pedophilic undertones due to [[PaedoHunt paranoia over children being abducted and/or molested]], the public service announcements from the 1985 version of ''GIJoe'' (the ones that Fensler Films redubbed) have become hard to look at through the NostalgiaFilter these days because all people (or rather, YouTube commenters) keep asking about is, "How do these GI Joes know where the children are all the time?", "Where are the kids' parents in all of this?", "Why is this GI Joe standing outside a bathroom window/running through the house without knocking/etc," and, in a specific example, "What is Deep Six doing underwater spying on little boys in a lake?" The original [=PSAs=] are on the "G.I. Joe" animated movie DVD as a special feature. Watch them and judge for yourself.

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* Speaking of old cartoons coming off as having pedophilic undertones due to [[PaedoHunt paranoia over children being abducted and/or molested]], the public service announcements from the 1985 version of ''GIJoe'' ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' (the ones that Fensler Films redubbed) have become hard to look at through the NostalgiaFilter these days because all people (or rather, YouTube commenters) keep asking about is, "How do these GI Joes know where the children are all the time?", "Where are the kids' parents in all of this?", "Why is this GI Joe standing outside a bathroom window/running through the house without knocking/etc," and, in a specific example, "What is Deep Six doing underwater spying on little boys in a lake?" The original [=PSAs=] are on the "G.I. Joe" animated movie DVD as a special feature. Watch them and judge for yourself.



* Due to changing attitudes towards violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.
*** {{WesternAnimation/Doug}} would be a good example of this considering Roger is a known {{Jerkass}} would've been serving time in juvenile hail for his actions these days instead of Bone making him just clean his trophy collection.

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* Due to changing attitudes towards violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats}}'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} ''{{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}}'' have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.
*** {{WesternAnimation/Doug}}
it ''{{WesternAnimation/Doug}}'' would be a good example of this considering Roger is a known {{Jerkass}} would've been serving time in juvenile hail for his actions these days instead of Bone making him just clean his trophy collection.



* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' featured Wilma and Betty taking self-defense classes from a judo instructor. Considering the time period when the short came out, their instructor [[AsianBuckTeeth looks]] and [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish sounds]] exactly as you would expect, making a good amount of the episode uncomfortable for modern viewers to watch. A ''WesternAnimation/PixieAndDixie'' short also had a similar premise and a similar judo instructor.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'':
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One episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' featured Wilma and Betty taking self-defense classes from a judo instructor. Considering the time period when the short came out, their instructor [[AsianBuckTeeth looks]] and [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish sounds]] exactly as you would expect, making a good amount of the episode uncomfortable for modern viewers to watch. A ''WesternAnimation/PixieAndDixie'' short also had a similar premise and a similar judo instructor.



* The treatment of same gender couples in kid's cartoons, especially American ones, has had this occur. In the early 2010s with rising acceptance of [=LGBT=] people, cartoons began being more explicit about them, while cartoons not even six years prior went [[HideYourLesbians out of their way]] to hide characters between [[AmbiguouslyGay sub]][[AmbiguouslyBi text]]. Many characters wouldn't even be revealed to be gay until WordOfGay (sometimes decades after the cartoon ended). Values Dissonance still occurs depending on the country. For example, the reason certain ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' scenes were censored in the UK was officially because of this.

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* The treatment of same gender couples in kid's cartoons, especially American ones, has had this occur. In the early 2010s with rising acceptance of [=LGBT=] people, cartoons began being more explicit about them, while cartoons not even six years prior went [[HideYourLesbians out of their way]] to hide characters between [[AmbiguouslyGay sub]][[AmbiguouslyBi text]]. Many characters wouldn't even be revealed to be gay until WordOfGay (sometimes decades after the cartoon ended). To show this trope in action, the 2011 episode "What Was Missing?" from ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' received a lot of publicity for heavily implying feelings between Princess Bubblegum and Marceline. One official online show was outright canceled because they implied it. Come 6 years later and shows like ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Clarence}}'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' casually feature gay and bi characters. Values Dissonance still occurs depending on the country. For example, the reason certain ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' ''Steven Universe'' scenes were censored in the UK was officially because of this.this.


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* Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.
5th Jun '17 6:38:24 PM MagnusForce
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** Certain words such as "crap" or "suck" are also more acceptable in Canadian kids' shows than in American ones since they aren't considered to be as dirty in Canada. One might also notice are slightly more frequent usage of the SoundEffectBleep in Canadian kids' cartoons as well, but even then, most shows tend to be modest about it.
3rd Jun '17 6:34:45 PM TheJayman49
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* The FourFingeredHands trope is this to Japan, as the {{Yakuza}} used to [[{{Yubitsume}} chop their own fingers off as punishment for failure]], which is why people in Japanese cartoons almost always have five fingers on each hand (even SuperDeformed characters). This even goes to the extreme of [[{{Bowdlerise}} editing the tapes to add a finger on]] when exporting Western animation for Japanese audiences.

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* The FourFingeredHands trope is this to Japan, as Japan. Although it's [[FourIsDeath not the only reason]], this is because the {{Yakuza}} used to [[{{Yubitsume}} chop off their own fingers off as punishment for failure]], failures that weren't enough to warrant death]], which is why people it's extremely rare for characters in Japanese cartoons almost always anime to have no less than five fingers on each hand (even SuperDeformed characters). This even goes to the extreme of [[{{Bowdlerise}} editing the tapes to add a finger on]] when exporting Western animation for Japanese audiences.
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