History ValuesDissonance / WesternAnimation

25th Jun '17 6:44:10 PM Pichu-kun
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* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque jokes or having rather skimpy attire.
19th Jun '17 2:04:46 PM Pichu-kun
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** Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.



** One in-universe example occured in a 2010s episode where Marge gets arrested for letting Bart [[FreeRangeChildren go to the park alone]]. She mentions that her parents let her stay outside all day back in the 60s. However, in the 2010s allowing young children alone is more looked down upon (especially in suburban and urban areas) due to fears that they will be kidnapped, injured, get lost, etc.



* The black-and-white incarnation of WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse engages in some behavior that modern audiences would find questionable. In ''Steamboat Willie'' he inflicts violence on a bunch of animals as part of a gag and in ''Plane Crazy'' he subjects Minnie to what would be considered sexual assault today.

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* The black-and-white incarnation of WesternAnimation/MickeyMouse engages in some behavior that modern audiences would find questionable. In ''Steamboat Willie'' ''WesternAnimation/SteamboatWillie'' he inflicts violence on a bunch of animals as part of a gag and in ''Plane Crazy'' ''WesternAnimation/PlaneCrazy'' he subjects Minnie to what would be considered sexual assault today.



* Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.
19th Jun '17 1:59:36 PM Pichu-kun
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* Speaking of old cartoons coming off as having pedophilic undertones due to [[PaedoHunt paranoia over children being abducted and/or molested]], the public service announcements from the 1985 version of ''GIJoe'' (the ones that Fensler Films redubbed) have become hard to look at through the NostalgiaFilter these days because all people (or rather, YouTube commenters) keep asking about is, "How do these GI Joes know where the children are all the time?", "Where are the kids' parents in all of this?", "Why is this GI Joe standing outside a bathroom window/running through the house without knocking/etc," and, in a specific example, "What is Deep Six doing underwater spying on little boys in a lake?" The original [=PSAs=] are on the "G.I. Joe" animated movie DVD as a special feature. Watch them and judge for yourself.

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* Speaking of old cartoons coming off as having pedophilic undertones due to [[PaedoHunt paranoia over children being abducted and/or molested]], the public service announcements from the 1985 version of ''GIJoe'' ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' (the ones that Fensler Films redubbed) have become hard to look at through the NostalgiaFilter these days because all people (or rather, YouTube commenters) keep asking about is, "How do these GI Joes know where the children are all the time?", "Where are the kids' parents in all of this?", "Why is this GI Joe standing outside a bathroom window/running through the house without knocking/etc," and, in a specific example, "What is Deep Six doing underwater spying on little boys in a lake?" The original [=PSAs=] are on the "G.I. Joe" animated movie DVD as a special feature. Watch them and judge for yourself.



* Due to changing attitudes towards violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.
*** {{WesternAnimation/Doug}} would be a good example of this considering Roger is a known {{Jerkass}} would've been serving time in juvenile hail for his actions these days instead of Bone making him just clean his trophy collection.

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* Due to changing attitudes towards violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Thundercats}}'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' ''WesternAnimation/GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} ''{{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}}'' have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.
*** {{WesternAnimation/Doug}}
it ''{{WesternAnimation/Doug}}'' would be a good example of this considering Roger is a known {{Jerkass}} would've been serving time in juvenile hail for his actions these days instead of Bone making him just clean his trophy collection.



* One episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' featured Wilma and Betty taking self-defense classes from a judo instructor. Considering the time period when the short came out, their instructor [[AsianBuckTeeth looks]] and [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish sounds]] exactly as you would expect, making a good amount of the episode uncomfortable for modern viewers to watch. A ''WesternAnimation/PixieAndDixie'' short also had a similar premise and a similar judo instructor.

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One episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' featured Wilma and Betty taking self-defense classes from a judo instructor. Considering the time period when the short came out, their instructor [[AsianBuckTeeth looks]] and [[AsianSpeekeeEngrish sounds]] exactly as you would expect, making a good amount of the episode uncomfortable for modern viewers to watch. A ''WesternAnimation/PixieAndDixie'' short also had a similar premise and a similar judo instructor.



* The treatment of same gender couples in kid's cartoons, especially American ones, has had this occur. In the early 2010s with rising acceptance of [=LGBT=] people, cartoons began being more explicit about them, while cartoons not even six years prior went [[HideYourLesbians out of their way]] to hide characters between [[AmbiguouslyGay sub]][[AmbiguouslyBi text]]. Many characters wouldn't even be revealed to be gay until WordOfGay (sometimes decades after the cartoon ended). Values Dissonance still occurs depending on the country. For example, the reason certain ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' scenes were censored in the UK was officially because of this.

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* The treatment of same gender couples in kid's cartoons, especially American ones, has had this occur. In the early 2010s with rising acceptance of [=LGBT=] people, cartoons began being more explicit about them, while cartoons not even six years prior went [[HideYourLesbians out of their way]] to hide characters between [[AmbiguouslyGay sub]][[AmbiguouslyBi text]]. Many characters wouldn't even be revealed to be gay until WordOfGay (sometimes decades after the cartoon ended). To show this trope in action, the 2011 episode "What Was Missing?" from ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' received a lot of publicity for heavily implying feelings between Princess Bubblegum and Marceline. One official online show was outright canceled because they implied it. Come 6 years later and shows like ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Clarence}}'', ''WesternAnimation/TheLoudHouse'' and ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' casually feature gay and bi characters. Values Dissonance still occurs depending on the country. For example, the reason certain ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' ''Steven Universe'' scenes were censored in the UK was officially because of this.this.


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* Not all animation is for kids however [[AnimationAgeGhetto the idea is extremely popular]]. This concept didn't become prevalent until the mid-20th century. Most early cartoons were either made for adults or for general audiences. Not all Golden Age cartoons such as ''WesternAnimation/FelixTheCat'', ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'', and ''WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts'' were made for kids, however most are kid-friendly enough that they get treated as such. This makes shorts with sexual implications, drug use, or other potentially mature material (such as the infamous '' WesternAnimation/TomAndJerry'' cartoon where they were DrivenToSuicide) stand out. They weren't made for kids but years of [[AudienceShift being depicted as so]] causes people to think of them as such.
5th Jun '17 6:38:24 PM MagnusForce
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** Certain words such as "crap" or "suck" are also more acceptable in Canadian kids' shows than in American ones since they aren't considered to be as dirty in Canada. One might also notice are slightly more frequent usage of the SoundEffectBleep in Canadian kids' cartoons as well, but even then, most shows tend to be modest about it.
3rd Jun '17 6:34:45 PM TheJayman49
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* The FourFingeredHands trope is this to Japan, as the {{Yakuza}} used to [[{{Yubitsume}} chop their own fingers off as punishment for failure]], which is why people in Japanese cartoons almost always have five fingers on each hand (even SuperDeformed characters). This even goes to the extreme of [[{{Bowdlerise}} editing the tapes to add a finger on]] when exporting Western animation for Japanese audiences.

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* The FourFingeredHands trope is this to Japan, as Japan. Although it's [[FourIsDeath not the only reason]], this is because the {{Yakuza}} used to [[{{Yubitsume}} chop off their own fingers off as punishment for failure]], failures that weren't enough to warrant death]], which is why people it's extremely rare for characters in Japanese cartoons almost always anime to have no less than five fingers on each hand (even SuperDeformed characters). This even goes to the extreme of [[{{Bowdlerise}} editing the tapes to add a finger on]] when exporting Western animation for Japanese audiences.
10th May '17 6:52:33 PM nombretomado
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** The HeckleAndJeckle short "Pill Peddlers" where the title speaks for itself, had the talking magpies trespassing at a gym to attempt to sell their miracle muscle pills. Today, we would call those pills steroids.

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** The HeckleAndJeckle WesternAnimation/HeckleAndJeckle short "Pill Peddlers" where the title speaks for itself, had the talking magpies trespassing at a gym to attempt to sell their miracle muscle pills. Today, we would call those pills steroids.
21st Apr '17 8:45:19 PM Theriocephalus
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, gods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]
21st Mar '17 8:05:25 PM supernintendo128
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** ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures'' had an episode where Plucky, Buster, and Hampton appear to drink an alcoholic beverage called "One Beer" (it was also the name of the episode). Even though it was supposed to send a message about the dangers of abusing alcoholic beverages, it would have a hard time getting broadcast these days. In fact, it was even banned by the early 1990s when it was done.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures'' had an episode where Plucky, Buster, and Hampton appear to drink an alcoholic beverage called "One Beer" (it was also the name of the episode). Even though it was supposed to send a message about the dangers of abusing alcoholic beverages, it would have a hard time getting broadcast these days. In fact, it was even banned by the early 1990s when it was done.[[note]]Interestingly, this is exactly what the creators wanted. The episode was created in protest to the higher-ups wanting the showrunners to shoehorn morals into their episodes. The moral of "alcohol is bad" was poorly implemented on purpose just so the executives would ask them to never try and implement morals in the show again, and it ''worked''.[[/note]]
21st Mar '17 7:57:19 PM supernintendo128
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBeatles'' BandToon has never been released on video or DVD, likely because of Values Dissonance; the show abounded with humor based on stereotypes. Most were of a more nationality-based (i.e., foreign Caucasian) nature, but a few racial ones did slip in here and there. Treated particularly harshly were the Japanese; some episodes were done in Australia, and the animators there clearly still had strong memories of what Japan did to the country in World War II.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBeatles'' BandToon has never been released on video or DVD, likely because of Values Dissonance; the show abounded with humor based on stereotypes. Most were of a more nationality-based (i.e., foreign Caucasian) nature, but a few racial ones did slip in here and there. Treated particularly harshly were the Japanese; Japanese (which is ironic because John Lennon would later go on to ''marry'' a [[Music/YokoOno Japanese-American woman]]); some episodes were done in Australia, and the animators there clearly still had strong memories of what Japan did to the country in World War II.
16th Mar '17 9:32:27 PM KoopaKid17
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* Even ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' isn't safe. The Season 1 episode "Over a Barrel" created controversy for its stereotyping of frontiersmen and Native Americans. There's a reason buffalo haven't been seen in the series since this episode.

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* Even ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' isn't safe. The Season 1 episode "Over a Barrel" created controversy for its stereotyping of frontiersmen and Native Americans. There's a reason buffalo haven't have rarely been seen in the series since this episode.
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