History ValuesDissonance / WesternAnimation

21st Apr '17 8:45:19 PM Theriocephalus
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans with huge red lips putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, gods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, BlackFace, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die.[[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]
21st Mar '17 8:05:25 PM supernintendo128
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** ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures'' had an episode where Plucky, Buster, and Hampton appear to drink an alcoholic beverage called "One Beer" (it was also the name of the episode). Even though it was supposed to send a message about the dangers of abusing alcoholic beverages, it would have a hard time getting broadcast these days. In fact, it was even banned by the early 1990s when it was done.

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** ''WesternAnimation/TinyToonAdventures'' had an episode where Plucky, Buster, and Hampton appear to drink an alcoholic beverage called "One Beer" (it was also the name of the episode). Even though it was supposed to send a message about the dangers of abusing alcoholic beverages, it would have a hard time getting broadcast these days. In fact, it was even banned by the early 1990s when it was done.[[note]]Interestingly, this is exactly what the creators wanted. The episode was created in protest to the higher-ups wanting the showrunners to shoehorn morals into their episodes. The moral of "alcohol is bad" was poorly implemented on purpose just so the executives would ask them to never try and implement morals in the show again, and it ''worked''.[[/note]]
21st Mar '17 7:57:19 PM supernintendo128
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBeatles'' BandToon has never been released on video or DVD, likely because of Values Dissonance; the show abounded with humor based on stereotypes. Most were of a more nationality-based (i.e., foreign Caucasian) nature, but a few racial ones did slip in here and there. Treated particularly harshly were the Japanese; some episodes were done in Australia, and the animators there clearly still had strong memories of what Japan did to the country in World War II.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheBeatles'' BandToon has never been released on video or DVD, likely because of Values Dissonance; the show abounded with humor based on stereotypes. Most were of a more nationality-based (i.e., foreign Caucasian) nature, but a few racial ones did slip in here and there. Treated particularly harshly were the Japanese; Japanese (which is ironic because John Lennon would later go on to ''marry'' a [[Music/YokoOno Japanese-American woman]]); some episodes were done in Australia, and the animators there clearly still had strong memories of what Japan did to the country in World War II.
16th Mar '17 9:32:27 PM KoopaKid17
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* Even ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' isn't safe. The Season 1 episode "Over a Barrel" created controversy for its stereotyping of frontiersmen and Native Americans. There's a reason buffalo haven't been seen in the series since this episode.

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* Even ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' isn't safe. The Season 1 episode "Over a Barrel" created controversy for its stereotyping of frontiersmen and Native Americans. There's a reason buffalo haven't have rarely been seen in the series since this episode.
26th Feb '17 2:43:09 PM PrincessGwen
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** An school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].

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** An A school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].
31st Jan '17 7:04:50 AM RAraya
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** An in-universe example happens in "The Lastest Gun in the West", where Buck [=McCoy=] shows the family his old work. In the 1950 he had a daytime show sponsored by a ''liquor company''. The gang is shocked, while Buck says the show was aimed at children who drank.
** Another in-universe example: When Krusty ran for office, his opponent attacked him showing one of his sketches about the U.N., portraying obviously offensive characterizations of [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys France]], [[TheStoner Jamaica]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[CampGay San Francisco]]. Krusty remarked he made the sketch in a different era... 1998![[note]]The episode was made in 2003[[/note]]

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** An in-universe example happens in "The Lastest Gun in the West", where Buck [=McCoy=] shows the family his old work. In the 1950 1950s he had a daytime show sponsored by a ''liquor company''. The gang is shocked, while Buck says the show was aimed at children who drank.
** Another in-universe example: When Krusty ran for office, his opponent attacked him showing one of his sketches about the U.N., portraying obviously offensive characterizations of [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys France]], [[TheStoner Jamaica]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] ''[[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]]'' [[CampGay San Francisco]]. Krusty remarked he made the sketch in justified himself by mentioning it was a different era... 1998![[note]]The time... 1998![[note]]Note that the episode was made aired in 2003[[/note]]
27th Jan '17 9:14:34 AM sotnosen95
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** Another in-universe example: When Krusty ran for office, his opponent attacked him showing one of his sketches about the U.N., portraying obviously offensive characterizations of [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys Frace]], [[TheStoner Jamaica]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[CampGay San Francisco]]. Krusty remarked he made the sketch in a different era... 1998![[note]]The episode was made in 2003[[/note]]

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** Another in-universe example: When Krusty ran for office, his opponent attacked him showing one of his sketches about the U.N., portraying obviously offensive characterizations of [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys Frace]], France]], [[TheStoner Jamaica]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[CampGay San Francisco]]. Krusty remarked he made the sketch in a different era... 1998![[note]]The episode was made in 2003[[/note]]
27th Jan '17 7:28:57 AM RAraya
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die. [[note]] Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die. [[note]] Most [[note]]Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]


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** An in-universe example happens in "The Lastest Gun in the West", where Buck [=McCoy=] shows the family his old work. In the 1950 he had a daytime show sponsored by a ''liquor company''. The gang is shocked, while Buck says the show was aimed at children who drank.
** Another in-universe example: When Krusty ran for office, his opponent attacked him showing one of his sketches about the U.N., portraying obviously offensive characterizations of [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys Frace]], [[TheStoner Jamaica]] [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and]] [[CampGay San Francisco]]. Krusty remarked he made the sketch in a different era... 1998![[note]]The episode was made in 2003[[/note]]
22nd Jan '17 4:41:33 PM AdamC
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** Lately, Apu has been catching flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes.

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** Lately, Apu has been catching flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. His stereotypical nature is even highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]
-->'''Apu:''' They ''begged'' me to join their team! They just begged me!
12th Jan '17 2:11:42 PM RAraya
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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking jibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggarated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die. [[note]] Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]

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* UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfAnimation has a lot of cartoons that have scenes that are nowadays considered racially offensive: black Africans putting people in cauldrons and being obsessed with tribal goods, Japanese soldiers being buck-toothed and squinty-eyed, black Americans being lazy and obsessed with dice games, chickens and watermelons, Native Americans wanting to kill all white people and speak in TontoTalk, Arabs talking jibberish gibberish and wanting to plant daggers in unsuspecting people. It doesn't help that due to the nature of these types of cartoons being way too over the top that their features are often exaggarated, exaggerated, thus being very close to racist caricatures from propaganda material. Not to mention jokes where characters after an explosion suddenly have {{BlackFace}}, even with their lips bloated to resemble a black person. Apart from that many scenes involve violence with guns, bombs and explosions that in adult eyes look far more disturbing than to a child. And of course there are scenes where children are spanked, characters freely smoke and drink, people resort to SuicideAsComedy, women shown as objects of lust to horny men (often depicted as wolves) and characters pray before they are about to fall or die. [[note]] Most children's media tries to refrain from talking about religious topics, so this often looks weird nowadays. [[/note]]



* In the ''WesternAnimation/TheKidsFromRoom402'' episode "For Whom the Bell Tolls," the school starts demanding its students to wear uniforms (after some girls start going to school with "rebellious" jewels and accessories). They treat that as a sort of apocalypse. When it aired in Brazil, kids were left scratching their heads because of their reaction -- because there are very, ''very'' few schools in the country that ''don't'' demand the use of uniforms (especially public schools). In Latin America, schools that don't demand uniforms are generally expensive American-Style private schools.



** Due to the sheer length of "The Simpsons", cultural mores have changed over time and the show has changed with it, so many older episodes now display slightly outdated viewpoints. For instance, in "New Kid On The Block", Marge is visibly uncomfortable around her new neighbor, a divorced single mother, an attitude which was almost quaint even when it was first aired.
** The series premiere (which aired in December 1989) opens with the family attending a ''Christmas program'' at a ''public school''. The sign outside the school clearly says Christmas. Since over 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas this was actually quite common before the 1990's. In our modern [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad P.C.]] culture this would never fly.



** In "Team Homer", Springfield Elementary institutes school uniforms, which are shown to be soul-crushing and reduce the kids to listless and depressed zombies in a matter of days. Since many developed countries commonly use school uniforms in their public schools, international audiences found this puzzling and humorous.
** Another school example, "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song" had Ned Flanders replacing Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].



** Due to the sheer length of "The Simpsons", cultural mores have changed over time and the show has changed with it, so many older episodes now display slightly outdated viewpoints. For instance, in "New Kid On The Block", Marge is visibly uncomfortable around her new neighbor, a divorced single mother, an attitude which was almost quaint even when it was first aired.
** The series premiere (which aired in December 1989) opens with the family attending a ''Christmas program'' at a ''public school''. The sign outside the school clearly says Christmas. Since over 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas this was actually quite common before the 1990's. In our modern [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad]] culture this would never fly.
** Lately, Apu's been catching flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes.

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** Due to the sheer length of "The Simpsons", cultural mores have changed over time and the show has changed with it, so many older episodes now display slightly outdated viewpoints. For instance, in "New Kid On The Block", Marge is visibly uncomfortable around her new neighbor, a divorced single mother, an attitude which was almost quaint even when it was first aired.
** The series premiere (which aired in December 1989) opens with the family attending a ''Christmas program'' at a ''public school''. The sign outside the school clearly says Christmas. Since over 90% of Americans celebrate Christmas this was actually quite common before the 1990's. In our modern [[PoliticalCorrectnessGoneMad]] culture this would never fly.
** Lately, Apu's Apu has been catching flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes.



* At least four episodes of Disney's ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'' had jokes, which played off Chinese stereotypes. One of these that is particularly remembered poorly was a subplot in the series' pilot, involving series BigBad Fat Cat seeking aid from a rival feline mob. Said mob was run by a pair of Siamese cats, out of a dry-cleaning shop in Chinatown in which crowds of cats bet on cockfighting fish, everyone dressed in stereotypical silk clothes right out of YellowPeril media, and involved a lot of AsianSpeekeeEngrish. This was the late 80s and early 90s, pretty much the last time you could actually get away with this.

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** An school-related example pops up in "Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadasssss Song", where Ned Flanders replaces Skinner as principal, and Bart [[VictoryIsBoring becomes extremely bored since his niceness lets him get away with everything]] so tries to get him fired. After several schemes backfire and earn Flanders praise, what [[StatusQuoIsGod finally does get him fired?]] Being caught leading the students in prayer. While many other developed countries have a concept of Separation of Church and State, none of them are anywhere near as strict as America's, where prayer in public schools is outright ''illegal''. Many viewers outside the US wouldn't get what the big deal was, or consider it [[FelonyMisdemeanor humorous that he was fired over THAT of all things]].
** In "Team Homer", Springfield Elementary institutes school uniforms, which are shown to be soul-crushing and reduce the kids to listless and depressed zombies in a matter of days. Since outside North America almost all schools use uniforms ([[InvertedTrope except for a handful of private schools in some countries]]), international audiences found this puzzling and humorous.
* In a similar example, the ''WesternAnimation/TheKidsFromRoom402'' episode "For Whom the Bell Tolls," the school starts demanding its students to wear uniforms (after some girls start going to school with "rebellious" jewels and accessories). They treat that as a sort of apocalypse. When it aired in Brazil, kids were left scratching their heads because of their reaction -- because there are very, ''very'' few schools in the country that ''don't'' demand the use of uniforms (especially public schools). In Latin America, schools that don't demand uniforms are generally expensive American-Style private schools.
* At least four episodes of Disney's ''WesternAnimation/ChipNDaleRescueRangers'' had jokes, which played off Chinese stereotypes. One of these that is remembered in a particularly remembered poorly poor light was a subplot in the series' pilot, involving series BigBad Fat Cat seeking aid from a rival feline mob. Said mob was run by a pair of Siamese cats, out of a dry-cleaning shop in Chinatown in which crowds of cats bet on cockfighting fish, everyone dressed in stereotypical silk clothes right out of YellowPeril media, and involved a lot of AsianSpeekeeEngrish. This was the late 80s and early 90s, pretty much the last time you could actually get away with this.



* Due to changing attitudes toward violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face from problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.

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* Due to changing attitudes toward towards violence in media, what was acceptable for children in TheEighties and TheNineties (and even the early 2000s) gets very different treatment today. The TV ratings system did not exist then, so a show like ''Thundercats'' generally would have been a TV-Y7 if it had. The show got bumped up to a TV-PG when it was rerun on Toonami. The 2011 reboot also got slapped with a TV-PG. Similarly, reruns of ''GIJoe'' and ''WesternAnimation/TheTransformers'' on The Hub are now rated TV-PG. Meanwhile, ''WesternAnimation/TransformersPrime'' gets off with a TV-Y7, and has just as much violence as the shows rated TV-PG.
** Animation programs from the mentioned time periods would face from problems today if set in from kind of school setting, especially bullying. While {{WesternAnimation/The Simpsons}} have continued to focus on this [[NotAllowedToGrowUp since the character stayed the same age]], others that has came and went would faced this with social media being part of it, forcing laws to be passed. Speaking of a school setting, considering the school-to-prison debate... some of the characters would've been subject to it.



* Any TV show or movie for families or kids that contains the words, "spaz," "spastic," or "moron" (which in America are fairly harmless - a little insulting, but not so bad that they can't be said) will be met with values dissonance (and a compulsory editing for a U or PG rating) in the UK, as those words are used to describe someone who has cerebral palsy, is epileptic, or overall mentally disabled.

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* Any TV show or movie for families or kids that contains the words, "spaz," "spastic," "spaz", "spastic", or "moron" (which in America are fairly harmless - a harmless--a little insulting, but not so bad that they can't be said) will be met with values dissonance (and a compulsory editing for a U or PG rating) in the UK, as those words are used to describe someone who has cerebral palsy, is epileptic, or overall mentally disabled.



* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s, like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the 2000s and onwards, such scenes have become much rarer.

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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s, 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the 2000s and mid-2000s onwards, such scenes have become much rarer.rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
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