History ValuesDissonance / WesternAnimation

29th Nov '17 6:37:40 PM quackytrope
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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstrelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DirtySouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]

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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstrelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DirtySouth DeepSouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]
29th Nov '17 6:36:21 PM quackytrope
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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DirtySouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]

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** Apu has caught flack from contemporary viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstelsy [[ModernMinstrelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DirtySouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]
29th Nov '17 6:34:45 PM quackytrope
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** Lately, Apu has been catching flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. His stereotypical nature is even highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]

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** Lately, Apu has been catching caught flack from contemporary viewers, who see him as viewers for being an EthnicScrappy whose entire character is deeply rooted in Indian stereotypes. One major point of contention is that he's voiced by [[Creator/HankAzaria a white man]] [[ModernMinstelsy doing a broad, exaggerated Indian accent]], and while the show is known for having a cast full of stereotypes, these stereotypes mostly come from different parts of European and/or white American culture (like Scotland, Italy, the DirtySouth etc.) or make fun of archetypes such as the rich white businessman (in this case, Mr. Burns). The problem is that, with a mostly white cast, and very few minority characters, it can feel to some viewers like the show is punching down when mocking Apu, and by extension Indian Americans as a whole. His stereotypical nature is even highlighted in one episode where his bowling team loses to another one called "The Stereotypes", made up of [[DeepSouth Cletus,]] Luigi, [[TalkLikeAPirate The Sea Captain,]] and [[ViolentGlaswegian Groundskeeper Willie.]]
24th Nov '17 9:44:49 AM nombretomado
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** The Creator/{{Disney}} WartimeCartoon {{DVD}} collection has [[UserOperationProhibitFlag unskippable, un-fast-forwardable]] intros by Creator/LeonardMaltin, with the same message before each of "times were different then but we know better now." Thus the dissonance is acknowledged.

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** The Creator/{{Disney}} WartimeCartoon {{DVD}} UsefulNotes/{{DVD}} collection has [[UserOperationProhibitFlag unskippable, un-fast-forwardable]] intros by Creator/LeonardMaltin, with the same message before each of "times were different then but we know better now." Thus the dissonance is acknowledged.
10th Nov '17 4:29:28 AM jormis29
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** The infamous WesternAnimation/CensoredEleven are more or less the poster boys of this trope. One of which, "Sunday Go To Meetin' Time", involves a black man straight from a Minstrel Show who skips church to ''steal a chicken''. In ''WesternAnimation/AllThisAndRabbitStew'' Bugs outwits an Afro-American hunter, while the entirety of ''WesternAnimation/CoalBlackAndDeSebbenDwarfs'' dwells on stereotypical Afro-American representations. Amazingly, these 11 cartoons are actually getting a remastered and completely uncut DVD release.

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** The infamous WesternAnimation/CensoredEleven are more or less the poster boys of this trope. One of which, "Sunday Go To Meetin' Time", "WesternAnimation/SundayGoToMeetinTime", involves a black man straight from a Minstrel Show who skips church to ''steal a chicken''. In ''WesternAnimation/AllThisAndRabbitStew'' Bugs outwits an Afro-American hunter, while the entirety of ''WesternAnimation/CoalBlackAndDeSebbenDwarfs'' dwells on stereotypical Afro-American representations. Amazingly, these 11 cartoons are actually getting a remastered and completely uncut DVD release.
29th Sep '17 4:39:53 AM CrowTR0bot
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*** Even in America, it could leave younger viewers scratching their heads if their only academic experience was in a Parochial School.
26th Sep '17 9:19:40 AM legoking831
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* ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'' had a rather embarrassing example of this in the episode "Mystery Mask Mix-Up," where Scooby and Shaggy dress in Chinese garb and both don bad Chinese accents (real bad). This scene ends with a scene of Shaggy randomly gaining squinty eyes and buck teeth.

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* ''WesternAnimation/ScoobyDooWhereAreYou'' had a rather embarrassing example of this in the episode "Mystery Mask Mix-Up," where Scooby and Shaggy dress in Chinese garb and both don bad Chinese accents (real bad). This scene ends with a scene of Shaggy randomly gaining squinty eyes and buck teeth.
24th Sep '17 10:49:28 AM nombretomado
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** The names of several Transformers had to be changed in recent years due to their names being derogatory slurs in countries outside North America, most notably the Dinobot '''Slag''' (which is a British slur towards women) who is now more commonly called "Slug". It's the same reason you no longer see Cybertronians use "Slag!" as an expletive (see TransformersBeastWars) with more recent series preferring "Scrap!" instead.

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** The names of several Transformers had to be changed in recent years due to their names being derogatory slurs in countries outside North America, most notably the Dinobot '''Slag''' (which is a British slur towards women) who is now more commonly called "Slug". It's the same reason you no longer see Cybertronians use "Slag!" as an expletive (see TransformersBeastWars) ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'') with more recent series preferring "Scrap!" instead.
20th Sep '17 10:49:29 AM Pichu-kun
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** In the 2000s, The Simpsons were dubbed in Arabic, but significant changes were made. Since drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries, most references to liquor were cut or changed to non-alcoholic beverages (Homer's precious Duff Beer was changed to Duff Soda) and references to pork chops and hot dogs (which aren't considered halal[[note]]the Islamic version of "kosher"[[/note]]) were changed to Egyptian beef sausages. Arabic fans of the show weren't impressed though with the "edited to conform to Islamic law" version, as they were used to seeing the series uncut with Arabic subtitles.

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** In the 2000s, The Simpsons ''The Simpsons'' were dubbed in Arabic, but significant changes were made. Since drinking alcohol is forbidden in Islamic countries, most references to liquor were cut or changed to non-alcoholic beverages (Homer's precious Duff Beer was changed to Duff Soda) and references to pork chops and hot dogs (which aren't considered halal[[note]]the Islamic version of "kosher"[[/note]]) were changed to Egyptian beef sausages. Arabic fans of the show weren't impressed though with the "edited to conform to Islamic law" version, as they were used to seeing the series uncut with Arabic subtitles.



* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether". Foxxy Love gets a brain tumor that causes her to become a negative, outdated black American stereotype who was obsessed with "rolling dem bones"[[note]]dice games[[/note]], became a Mammy for the rest of the house, and spoke in an even more exaggerted jive then she did before. The FCC then comes to bring her to an erasement camp along with other politically incorrect cartoons, even when Spanky explains an Aesop about how even though we may not be proud of our previously portrayals of minorities characters, we shouldn't try to deny that they're part of history.

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* Parodied in one episode of ''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether".''WesternAnimation/DrawnTogether''. Foxxy Love gets a brain tumor that causes her to become a negative, outdated black American stereotype who was obsessed with "rolling dem bones"[[note]]dice games[[/note]], became a Mammy for the rest of the house, and spoke in an even more exaggerted jive then she did before. The FCC then comes to bring her to an erasement camp along with other politically incorrect cartoons, even when Spanky explains an Aesop about how even though we may not be proud of our previously portrayals of minorities characters, we shouldn't try to deny that they're part of history.
5th Sep '17 7:21:57 AM CorahsUncle
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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the mid-2000s onwards, such scenes have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
* The 1980s ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' cartoons, and to lesser degree the 1990s direct-to-video features, had the Chipettes dress in [[AgeInappropriateDress risque clothes]] despite being children (certain episodes imply they're as young as eight). BellyDancer clothing, [[BareYourMidriff short shirts]], Burlesque dresses, etc. That wouldn't fly with audiences anymore even if they were only intended to be fashionable or cute, and they're dressed up more in ''WesternAnimation/AlvinnnAndTheChipmunks''. There's also some scenes of them taking a bath in a ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'' parody episode that wouldn't exist in 21st century cartoons. The [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks films]] got away with nude Chipettes because they're chipmunk sized and look like chipmunks. In the 1980s cartoon they looked like girls with chipmunk noses because [[FurIsSkin their fur was skin toned]] and they were human sized.

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* Nudity of young characters in cartoons. In many European and Asian countries, it is treated in a nonchalant manner as long as it is innocent. In America and Canada, it is treated with much more controversy due to being seen as inherently sexual. Cartoons from the 1980s, like ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'', and the 1990s (even the early 2000s), like ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' and ''WesternAnimation/DextersLaboratory'', got away with casual bathing scenes or NakedPeopleAreFunny. But from the mid-2000s onwards, circa 2005 onward, such scenes have become much rarer, mostly as an excuse to be "edgy".
* The 1980s ''WesternAnimation/AlvinAndTheChipmunks'' cartoons, and to lesser degree the 1990s direct-to-video features, had the Chipettes dress in [[AgeInappropriateDress risque risqué clothes]] despite being children (certain episodes imply they're as young as eight). 8): BellyDancer clothing, [[BareYourMidriff short shirts]], Burlesque dresses, etc. That wouldn't fly with audiences anymore even if they were only intended to be fashionable or cute, and they're dressed up more in ''WesternAnimation/AlvinnnAndTheChipmunks''. There's also some scenes of them taking a bath in a ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'' parody episode that wouldn't exist in 21st century cartoons. The [[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks films]] got away with nude Chipettes because they're chipmunk sized and look like chipmunks. In the 1980s cartoon they looked like girls with chipmunk noses because [[FurIsSkin their fur was skin toned]] and they were human sized.



* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque jokes or having rather skimpy attire.

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* French cartoons like ''WesternAnimation/CodeLyoko'' and ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' are more into fanservice than cartoons from a lot of other western countries. While nowhere near Japan levels, many French cartoons aren't shy about making a few risque risqué jokes or having rather skimpy attire.attire.
* Even the 1980s series of ''WesternAnimation/TheLittleRascals'' has some examples:
** Many shorts have the Rascals as FreeRangeChildren, traveling without adult supervision.
** In "Rascals' Revenge", Alfalfa lets Darla precede him out of the shed by saying, "Ladies first." She thanks him with a kiss. Both are likely to be considered sexist stereotypes now.
** "Cap'n Spanky's Showboat" is infamous for [[FootFocus Darla and Buckwheat cleaning the steamboat's deck while barefoot]].
** In the 30-second short "Out on a Limb", Alfalfa pushes Spanky in a swing. That could be considered homoerotic today.
** Two shorts involve cross-dressing. In "Just Desserts", Alfalfa is DraggedIntoDrag to replace the ailing Darla in the baking contest, and in "Fright Night", Darla dresses in imitation of Alfalfa.
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