History ValuesDissonance / Film

14th Jun '16 5:35:10 PM HamburgerTime
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** There are quite a few ethnic stereotypes as well. Even ''Dr No'', which was fairly advanced for its day in its portrayal of a black man, has a scene where Bond asks Quarrel (who is black) to "fetch my shoes," in a rather presumptuous and condescending manner. In ''Goldfinger'', Goldfinger himself tells Bond that Koreans are the "cruelest people in the world" and are thus perfect for being evil minions. He ''could'' be referring to the Communist North Koreans, given the time period in which this story was written, but the ambiguity and generalization of his statement is what really dates it.

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** There are quite a few ethnic stereotypes as well. Even ''Dr No'', which was fairly advanced for its day in its portrayal of a black man, has a scene where Bond asks Quarrel (who is black) to "fetch my shoes," in a rather presumptuous and condescending manner. In ''Goldfinger'', Goldfinger himself tells Bond that Koreans are the "cruelest people in the world" and are thus perfect for being evil minions. He ''could'' be referring to the Communist North Koreans, given the time period in which this story was written, but the ambiguity and generalization of his statement is what really dates it. This is a decided improvement on the book, where Bond and the narrator not only ''agree'' with Goldfinger, Bond muses to himself that he thinks [[{{Dehumanization}} Koreans are so savage they must be an entirely different species]].


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** Another infamous scene in ''Goldfinger'' features Bond [[ForcedKiss forcing a kiss]] onto henchwoman [[PunnyName Pussy Galore]], who'd been rebuffing his seduction attempts up to that point. Instead of being disgusted and pushing him away, she immediately reciprocates, has sex with him, and [[SexFaceTurn turns good]]. This scene is often criticized as an advocation of the NotIfTheyEnjoyedItRationalization, but it wasn't seen that way at the time.
** The scene in ''Film/LiveAndLetDie'' where Bond tricks Solitaire into sleeping with him is pretty uncomfortable by modern standards, doubly so because she's one of the few women Bond's bedded to be clearly unhappy afterwards (though not because she didn't enjoy the sex, but because she was afraid the BigBad would kill her for it).


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* The film version of ''Theatre/{{Cabaret}}'', made in the '70s and set in the '30s, has a scene (not in the original stage play) similar to the ''Goldfinger'' example where a young man jumps on the woman he's interested in and forces her to kiss him. She's thrilled by this and immediately accepts his proposal of marriage. For bonus dissonance, the male character was advised to do this by a woman.
2nd Jun '16 12:41:49 PM PrincessGwen
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* The whole idea of the 80's {{Cowboy Cop}} has come under fire since the 2000's. Back in the 80's rising crime rates and the Reagan era's "rough on crime" rhetoric made actions like beating up suspects for information, excecuting helpless criminals if they were evil enough, disregard for warrant, and all around tons of violence were seen as not just acceptable for police officers and displays of their badassitude, but neccesary for combating crime. Since the string of police murders however, as well as the revalation that these kind of actions happen disporportianatley to racial minorities, characters like Dirty Harry and Cobra come across as a lot less sympathetic.

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* The whole idea of the 80's {{Cowboy Cop}} has come under fire since the 2000's. Back in the 80's rising crime rates and the Reagan era's "rough on crime" rhetoric made actions like beating up suspects for information, excecuting helpless criminals if they were evil enough, disregard for warrant, and all around tons of violence were seen as not just acceptable for police officers and displays of their badassitude, but neccesary necessary for combating crime. Since the string of police murders however, as well as the revalation revelation that these kind of actions happen disporportianatley disproportionately to racial minorities, characters like Dirty Harry and Cobra come across as a lot less sympathetic.



* The Depression-era film ''Film/GabrielOverTheWhiteHouse'' shows the President of the United States essentially setting himself up as a fascist dictator, suspending the Constitution and dissolving Congress when they try to oppose him, creating a paramilitary police force with extra-judicial powers accountable only to him and forcing all other nations to unilaterally disarm and submit to American rule using the threat of superweapons. This is depicted as a ''good'' and possibly even divinely inspired thing, and his totalitarian policies are shown to end crime, introduce huge economic booms and create world peace. To be fair, the film was controversial even at the time, but its unabashed praise for what would be TheEmpire in any other story is shocking to modern audiences. It's a sign of the desperate time it was made in more than anything else, when there were some calling for a dictatorial president to seize power and resolve the crippling economic issues and organised crime ravaging the country.

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* The Depression-era film ''Film/GabrielOverTheWhiteHouse'' shows the President of the United States essentially setting himself up as a fascist dictator, suspending the Constitution and dissolving Congress when they try to oppose him, creating a paramilitary police force with extra-judicial powers accountable only to him and forcing all other nations to unilaterally disarm and submit to American rule using the threat of superweapons. This is depicted as a ''good'' and possibly even divinely inspired thing, and his totalitarian policies are shown to end crime, introduce huge economic booms and create world peace. To be fair, the film was controversial even at the time, but its unabashed praise for what would be TheEmpire in any other story is shocking to modern audiences. It's a sign of the desperate time it was made in more than anything else, when there were some calling for a dictatorial president to seize power and resolve the crippling economic issues and organised organized crime ravaging the country.
1st Jun '16 11:50:00 AM Ansongc2000
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* The whole idea of the 80's {{Cowboy Cop}} has come under fire since the 2000's. Back in the 80's rising crime rates and the Reagan era's "rough on crime" rhetoric made actions like beating up suspects for information, excecuting helpless criminals if they were evil enough, disregard for warrant, and all around tons of violence were seen as not just acceptable for police officers and displays of their badassitude, but neccesary for combating crime. Since the string of police murders however, as well as the revalation that these kind of actions happen disporportianatley to racial minorities, characters like Dirty Harry and Cobra come across as a lot less sympathetic.
1st Jun '16 3:29:25 AM sotnosen95
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* In the 1950s classic ''Film/TheDamBusters'', the code for a successful hit on the target is the name of the squadron commander's beloved black labrador, who was struck and killed by a motorcar right before the strike was launched. The dog's name? Nigger. This issue was complicated by the fact that the historical dog had that name in real life. It's sometimes, and sometimes not, dubbed on television showings into ''Trigger''. There was a certain amount of "it's PC gone mad" controversy when news of a remake did the rounds in 2009; the producers were planning to call the dog "Nigsy" instead.The remake's still being talked about, and the latest news is that they intend to call him "Digger".

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* In the 1950s classic ''Film/TheDamBusters'', the code for a successful hit on the target is the name of the squadron commander's beloved black labrador, who was struck and killed by a motorcar right before the strike was launched. The dog's name? Nigger. This issue was complicated by the fact that the historical dog had that name in real life. It's sometimes, and sometimes not, dubbed on television showings into ''Trigger''. There was a certain amount of "it's PC gone mad" controversy when news of a remake did the rounds in 2009; the producers were planning to call the dog "Nigsy" instead. The remake's still being talked about, and the latest news is that they intend to call him "Digger".
31st May '16 11:22:21 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''{{The Jazz Singer}}'' features a hero who must escape the confines of his conservative Jewish father to realize his own dream of self-expression... by performing in blackface.

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* ''{{The ''Film/{{The Jazz Singer}}'' features a hero who must escape the confines of his conservative Jewish father to realize his own dream of self-expression... by performing in blackface.



* In the 1950s classic ''Film/TheDamBusters'', the code for a successful hit on the target is the name of the squadron commander's beloved black labrador, who was struck and killed by a motorcar right before the strike was launched. The dog's name? Nigger.
** This issue was complicated by the fact that the historical dog had that name in real life. It's sometimes, and sometimes not, dubbed on television showings into ''Trigger''. There was a certain amount of "it's PC gone mad" controversy when news of a remake did the rounds in 2009; the producers were planning to call the dog "Nigsy" instead.
** The remake's still being talked about, and the latest news is that they intend to call him "Digger".

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* In the 1950s classic ''Film/TheDamBusters'', the code for a successful hit on the target is the name of the squadron commander's beloved black labrador, who was struck and killed by a motorcar right before the strike was launched. The dog's name? Nigger.
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Nigger. This issue was complicated by the fact that the historical dog had that name in real life. It's sometimes, and sometimes not, dubbed on television showings into ''Trigger''. There was a certain amount of "it's PC gone mad" controversy when news of a remake did the rounds in 2009; the producers were planning to call the dog "Nigsy" instead.
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instead.The remake's still being talked about, and the latest news is that they intend to call him "Digger".



* In ''Film/{{Miracle on 34th Street}}'', everyone is perfectly fine with a little girl being left in the care of the dashing stranger across the hall. To be fair the housekeeper was keeping an eye on them though the windows.
** The remake elevated him to the level of Doris's longtime boyfriend who presumably already had a ring in his back pocket.

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* In ''Film/{{Miracle on 34th Street}}'', everyone is perfectly fine with a little girl being left in the care of the dashing stranger across the hall. To be fair the housekeeper was keeping an eye on them though the windows.
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windows. The remake elevated him to the level of Doris's longtime boyfriend who presumably already had a ring in his back pocket.



* ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' is about two women's schoolhouse being shut down over the flimsiest of insinuations that they are lesbians. They also lose a libel lawsuit even though there's no evidence of the rumor's validity.

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* ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'':
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is about two women's schoolhouse being shut down over the flimsiest of insinuations that they are lesbians. They also lose a libel lawsuit even though there's no evidence of the rumor's validity.
** The 1930s adaptation, ''These Three'', [[HideYourLesbians removes]] the lesbian themes of the story. In its place we have a huge public scandal because a little girl (supposedly) caught Martha cheating with Karen's fiance. They even get sent to court for it. The accusations of infidelity and pre-marital sex were more serious in TheThirties but in modern times, or even the 60s (where the TruerToTheText adaptation was made), it would be considered a smaller, more personal issue.



* ''Film/{{Grease}}''

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* ''Film/IAmAFugitiveFromAChainGang'': Helen's line "I'm free, white and twenty-one." was a common expression during the nineteen twenties, thirties and much later when racism was not only socially acceptable but the law in many parts of the country. The use of this line lasted into the sixties and even seventies.
* The 1930s film adaptation of ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' [[HideYourLesbians removes]] the lesbian themes of the story. In its place we have a huge public scandal because a little girl (supposedly) caught Martha cheating with Karen's fiance. They even get sent to court for it. The accusations of infidelity and pre-marital sex were more serious in TheThirties but in modern times, or even the 60s (where the TruerToTheText adaptation was made), it would be considered a smaller, more personal issue.

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* ''Film/IAmAFugitiveFromAChainGang'': Helen's line "I'm free, white white, and twenty-one." was a common expression during the nineteen twenties, thirties 1920s, 1930s, and much later when racism was not only socially acceptable but the law in many parts of the country. The use of this line lasted into the sixties and even seventies.
* The 1930s film adaptation of ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' [[HideYourLesbians removes]] the lesbian themes of the story. In its place we have a huge public scandal because a little girl (supposedly) caught Martha cheating with Karen's fiance. They even get sent to court for it. The accusations of infidelity and pre-marital sex were more serious in TheThirties but in modern times, or even the 60s (where the TruerToTheText adaptation was made), it would be considered a smaller, more personal issue.
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25th May '16 11:33:49 AM lamerc
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** Arguably not very realistic at the time, either. [[RuleOfDrama But there would have been no movie otherwise.]]
23rd May '16 5:12:45 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/{{Heathers}}'', a film about teens that actually ''do'' kill each other, would have a hard time getting greenlit after UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} and in our 24/7 media age, especially as [[BlackComedy a comedy]]. However, even by 1980s standards, it's hard to believe a student firing a revolver at another pair of students ''while in the school cafeteria'' wouldn't be looking at an expulsion. Hell, they'd be more than expelled, they could be charged with assault in a criminal court, or sued for it in a civil court. The movie suggests he was merely suspended because they were blanks.[[note]]At close range, blank charges can be just as dangerous as real bullets.[[/note]]

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* ''Film/{{Heathers}}'', a film about teens that actually ''do'' kill each other, would have a hard time getting greenlit after UsefulNotes/{{Columbine}} and in our 24/7 media age, especially as [[BlackComedy a comedy]]. However, even by 1980s standards, it's hard to believe a student firing a revolver at another pair of students ''while in the school cafeteria'' wouldn't be looking at an expulsion. Hell, they'd be more than expelled, they could be charged with assault in a criminal court, or sued for it in a civil court. The movie suggests he was merely suspended because they were blanks.[[note]]At close range, blank charges can be just as dangerous as real bullets. It's also a crime to threaten people with a gun that isn't carrying real ones.[[/note]]
9th May '16 7:09:02 PM PumpkinMuffin
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** In the original book, she falls in love with one of Patrick's college professors, a genuinely good man who reciprocates her love and proposes to her as she's being rushed to the hospital in labor. It's implied that they wind up happily married.
4th May '16 5:36:04 PM KoopaKid17
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* [[OlderThanTelevision Going way back]], ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' (and by extension, the novel it was based on, ''The Clansman'' by Thomas Dixon) features the Ku Klux Klan as the ''good guys'', complete with a BigDamnHeroes moment towards the end of the story. This film went on to be so influential that for decades, the director had an honorary award named after him at the Oscars. The film is now rarely seen outside of film classes thanks to ValuesDissonance making it unwatchable to anyone except a film student learning the state of the art in 1915.

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* [[OlderThanTelevision Going way back]], ''Film/TheBirthOfANation'' (and by extension, the novel it was based on, ''The Clansman'' by Thomas Dixon) features the Ku Klux Klan as the ''good guys'', ''[[DesignatedHero good guys]]'', complete with a BigDamnHeroes moment towards the end of the story. This film went on to be so influential that for decades, the director had an honorary award named after him at the Oscars. The film is now rarely seen outside of film classes thanks to ValuesDissonance making it unwatchable to anyone except a film student learning the state of the art in 1915.
1st May '16 7:44:22 PM Kid
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* In the 1930s film adaptation of ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' [[HideYourLesbians removes]] the lesbian themes of the story. In its place we have a huge public scandal because a little girl (supposedly) caught Martha cheating with Karen's fiance. They even get sent to court for it. The accusations of infidelity and pre-marital sex were more serious in TheThirties but in modern times, or even the 60s (where the TruerToTheText adaptation was made), it would be considered a smaller, more personal issue.

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* In the The 1930s film adaptation of ''Theatre/TheChildrensHour'' [[HideYourLesbians removes]] the lesbian themes of the story. In its place we have a huge public scandal because a little girl (supposedly) caught Martha cheating with Karen's fiance. They even get sent to court for it. The accusations of infidelity and pre-marital sex were more serious in TheThirties but in modern times, or even the 60s (where the TruerToTheText adaptation was made), it would be considered a smaller, more personal issue.
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