History ValuesDissonance / Film

13th Feb '17 11:38:45 PM AdamC
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* The movie ''Film/GuessWhosComingToDinner'' has a really blatant case of PositiveDiscrimination on the subject matter, portraying the prospective son-in-law as unfailingly perfect and virtuous. The reason was so that his future in-laws (and by extension, the audience) would have nothing to object to in his marrying their daughter other than his race. The irony is that in a modern context the marriage has a ''lot'' of red flags totally unrelated to race; Joanna only ''met'' John less than two weeks ago and is already prepared to marry him, even though there's a significant gap in both age and life experience (she's fresh out of college, he's a successful doctor who's traveled the world) and shortly after their wedding, he intends to move to a country she's never been to, away from everyone she knows, and where she will not speak the native language. It seems weird that Joanna's parents aren't the least bit concerned about ''that.''
10th Feb '17 2:44:21 AM jormis29
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** Considering the character was being bullied, the Gym teacher was in the right mind to intervene and report it to the principal. Nowadays, she would’ve been viewed as a hero because bullying has gotten deadly, forcing many US States to pass laws regarding it. The bullies would’ve faced suspension or expulsion these days rather than have Carrie take matters in her own hands… or rather, her mind.[[note]]In the film and book, the teacher does threaten the girls with suspension - but says that the school board was stocked by men who didn't understand how horrible the shower incident was[[/note]].

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** Considering the character was being bullied, the Gym teacher was in the right mind to intervene and report it to the principal. Nowadays, she would’ve would've been viewed as a hero because bullying has gotten deadly, forcing many US States to pass laws regarding it. The bullies would’ve faced suspension or expulsion these days rather than have Carrie take matters in her own hands… or rather, her mind.[[note]]In the film and book, the teacher does threaten the girls with suspension - but says that the school board was stocked by men who didn't understand how horrible the shower incident was[[/note]].
10th Feb '17 2:42:40 AM jormis29
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* One of the things that make the other boys suspect that the protagonist of ''Tea and Sympathy'' might be gay is his long hair, and by the standards of 1956, when the film was released,[[note]]or 1953, when the play was first staged, although that's less of an issue, since subsequent stagings can make the actor's hair much longer[[/note]] his hair was on the long side for a high-school aged boy, in that he did not have a crew cut. For an audience watching the film at pretty much any time from the late sixties onward, his haircut looks quite short and conservative.

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* One of the things that make the other boys suspect that the protagonist of ''Tea and Sympathy'' ''Film/TeaAndSympathy'' might be gay is his long hair, and by the standards of 1956, when the film was released,[[note]]or 1953, when the play was first staged, although that's less of an issue, since subsequent stagings can make the actor's hair much longer[[/note]] his hair was on the long side for a high-school aged boy, in that he did not have a crew cut. For an audience watching the film at pretty much any time from the late sixties onward, his haircut looks quite short and conservative.
6th Feb '17 10:40:04 PM Nicoaln
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* ''Film/MaryPoppins'', being set in the EdwardianEra, has a few:
** This is [[InvokedTrope invoked]] with Mr. Banks. His views towards his family (especially the women) is backwards, which is ''intended'' to be.
** Winifred talks about her movement (The Sufragettes) doing some things that would probably be seen as ''quite'' disruptive, given the antics of [[AnimalWrongsGroup PETA]], as well as some rather violent protests a hundred years later that [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment We frankly will not talk about.]]
** With all the talks about climate change, pollution, and smog (Especially [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Smog_of_London 42 years after the film was set]]) Bert's song would be seen as... very weird.
** Admiral Boom uses the term "Hottentots". This would ''not'' fly today, as that was used to refer to a tribe in Botswana.
23rd Jan '17 3:24:48 PM staticat09
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* France doesn't usually dish out age restrictions on mainstream movies, likely owing to the [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution rough history with censorship]]. Many movies rated R in the US or the UK are given "all ages" ratings unless they are very violent or patently adult.



* In the United States, the NC-17 rating is seen as a death sentence for a film's commercial viability, basically limiting it to arthouse/independent cinemas. Major retailers like Walmart and Best Buy refuse to stock NC-17 films or DVDs, and theater chains like AMC are reluctant to book them. Although the MPAA specifically states it does not denote pornography, in practice it has been used for films with strong sexual content. Producers fight for an R rating and are often dismayed to get an NC-17. On the other side of the pond, however, the 18 certificate (roughly equivalent to the NC-17) not only has little effect on commercial viability[[note]]Although nobody under 18 may watch it in cinemas, plenty of mainstream films like Fargo, Silence of the Lambs, Halloween and Saw received an 18 and did very well at the UK box office.]] , it is seen as a badge of honor. In fact, [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169772/My-film-horrific-15-director-tells-censors-pushed-18.html one horror director]] was disappointed that his film ''didn't'' get an 18 certificate. Films cut for an NC-17 in the US for commercial reasons usually receive an 18 certificate uncut in the UK, with none of the stigma attached.

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* In the United States, the NC-17 rating is seen as a death sentence for a film's commercial viability, basically limiting it to arthouse/independent cinemas. Major retailers like Walmart and Best Buy refuse to stock NC-17 films or DVDs, and theater chains like AMC are reluctant to book them. Although the MPAA specifically states it does not denote pornography, in practice it has been used for films with strong sexual content. Producers fight for an R rating and are often dismayed to get an NC-17. On the other side of the pond, however, the 18 certificate (roughly equivalent to the NC-17) not only has little effect on commercial viability[[note]]Although nobody under 18 may watch it in cinemas, plenty of mainstream films like Fargo, Silence of the Lambs, Halloween and Saw received an 18 and did very well at the UK box office.]] [[/note]] , it is seen as a badge of honor. In fact, [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169772/My-film-horrific-15-director-tells-censors-pushed-18.html one horror director]] was disappointed that his film ''didn't'' get an 18 certificate. Films cut for an NC-17 in the US for commercial reasons usually receive an 18 certificate uncut in the UK, with none of the stigma attached.
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23rd Jan '17 3:20:04 PM staticat09
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* In the United States, the NC-17 rating is seen as a death sentence for a film's commercial viability, basically limiting it to arthouse/independent cinemas. Major retailers like Walmart and Best Buy refuse to stock NC-17 films or DVDs, and theater chains like AMC Although the MPAA specifically states it does not denote pornography, in practice it has been used for films with strong sexual content. Producers fight for an R rating and are often dismayed to get an NC-17. On the other side of the pond, however, the 18 certificate (roughly equivalent to the NC-17) not only does not affect commercial viability[[note]]Although nobody under 18 may watch it in cinemas, plenty of mainstream films like Fargo, Silence of the Lambs, Halloween and Saw received an 18 and did very well at the UK box office.]] , it is seen as a badge of honor. In fact, [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169772/My-film-horrific-15-director-tells-censors-pushed-18.html one horror director]] was disappointed that his film ''didn't'' get an 18 certificate. Films cut for an NC-17 in the US for commercial reasons usually receive an 18 certificate uncut in the UK, with none of the stigma attached.

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* In the United States, the NC-17 rating is seen as a death sentence for a film's commercial viability, basically limiting it to arthouse/independent cinemas. Major retailers like Walmart and Best Buy refuse to stock NC-17 films or DVDs, and theater chains like AMC are reluctant to book them. Although the MPAA specifically states it does not denote pornography, in practice it has been used for films with strong sexual content. Producers fight for an R rating and are often dismayed to get an NC-17. On the other side of the pond, however, the 18 certificate (roughly equivalent to the NC-17) not only does not affect has little effect on commercial viability[[note]]Although nobody under 18 may watch it in cinemas, plenty of mainstream films like Fargo, Silence of the Lambs, Halloween and Saw received an 18 and did very well at the UK box office.]] , it is seen as a badge of honor. In fact, [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169772/My-film-horrific-15-director-tells-censors-pushed-18.html one horror director]] was disappointed that his film ''didn't'' get an 18 certificate. Films cut for an NC-17 in the US for commercial reasons usually receive an 18 certificate uncut in the UK, with none of the stigma attached.
23rd Jan '17 3:18:40 PM staticat09
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* Japan tends to view action violence very leniently, and will rarely give a mainstream film more than a G rating. Even ''Film/{{TheGodfather}}'' was rated G.

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* Japan tends In the United States, the NC-17 rating is seen as a death sentence for a film's commercial viability, basically limiting it to view action violence very leniently, arthouse/independent cinemas. Major retailers like Walmart and will rarely give a Best Buy refuse to stock NC-17 films or DVDs, and theater chains like AMC Although the MPAA specifically states it does not denote pornography, in practice it has been used for films with strong sexual content. Producers fight for an R rating and are often dismayed to get an NC-17. On the other side of the pond, however, the 18 certificate (roughly equivalent to the NC-17) not only does not affect commercial viability[[note]]Although nobody under 18 may watch it in cinemas, plenty of mainstream films like Fargo, Silence of the Lambs, Halloween and Saw received an 18 and did very well at the UK box office.]] , it is seen as a badge of honor. In fact, [[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1169772/My-film-horrific-15-director-tells-censors-pushed-18.html one horror director]] was disappointed that his film more than a G rating. Even ''Film/{{TheGodfather}}'' was rated G. ''didn't'' get an 18 certificate. Films cut for an NC-17 in the US for commercial reasons usually receive an 18 certificate uncut in the UK, with none of the stigma attached.
23rd Jan '17 3:05:37 PM staticat09
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* Japan tends to view action violence very leniently, and will rarely give a mainstream film more than a G rating. Even ''Film/{{TheGodfather}}'' was rated G.
22nd Jan '17 4:00:49 PM AdamC
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** Charlie Bucket and his mother being upset by Grandpa Joe's vow to quit tobacco. Keep in mind, this was made at the turn of TheSeventies, just before the advertising industry cracked down on tobacco ads.

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** Charlie Bucket and his mother being upset by Grandpa Joe's vow to quit tobacco. Keep in mind, this was made at the turn of TheSeventies, just before the advertising industry cracked down on tobacco ads. Even in the film, the reason Grandpa Joe is quitting tobacco is the fact that it's an expensive habit for such a poor family. The fact that his health is already so poor he spends all day in bed doesn't come up.
17th Jan '17 9:21:36 AM comicwriter
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* The whole idea of the {{Cowboy Cop}}, omnipresent in cop movies of the 1970's and 1980's has come under fire since the 1990's and 2000's. Back in the 70's rising crime rates and then the "rough on crime" rhetoric of the Reagan era made actions like beating up suspects for information, executing helpless criminals if they were evil enough, disregard for warrant, and all around tons of violence were seen as not just acceptable for police officers and displays of their badassitude, but necessary for combating crime. This ended after a string of high-profile incidents of PoliceBrutality and shootings of unarmed suspects, most infamously the Rodney King shooting, which also revealed these actions targeted racial minorities disproportionately. As a result, characters like Film/DirtyHarry and Film/{{Cobra}} come across as a lot less sympathetic nowadays. The Clinton administration's softer stance on crime (including the Assault Weapons Ban) and lower crime rates beginning in the mid-90's also led to the demise of the "vigilante hero" and "future big city in ruins" subgenres extremely popular in the late 80's and early 90's.

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* The whole idea of the {{Cowboy Cop}}, omnipresent in cop movies of the 1970's and 1980's has come under fire since the 1990's and 2000's. Back in the 70's 70's, rising crime rates and then the "rough on crime" rhetoric of the Reagan era in the 80's made actions like beating up suspects for information, executing helpless criminals if they were evil enough, disregard for warrant, and all around tons of violence were seen as not just acceptable for police officers and displays of their badassitude, but necessary for combating crime. This ended after a string of high-profile incidents of PoliceBrutality and shootings of unarmed suspects, most infamously the Rodney King shooting, beating, which also revealed these actions targeted racial minorities disproportionately. As a result, characters like Film/DirtyHarry and Film/{{Cobra}} come across as a lot less sympathetic nowadays. The Clinton administration's softer stance on crime (including the Assault Weapons Ban) and lower crime rates beginning in the mid-90's also led to the demise of the "vigilante hero" and "future big city in ruins" subgenres extremely popular in the late 80's and early 90's.
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