History ValuesDissonance / Film

13th Nov '17 11:41:58 AM ClintEastwood
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* At one point, ''Film/{{TheSeaHawk}}'' suffers from a bit of a disconnect due to the passage of time. Errol Flynn's protagonist is a handsome and charming swashbuckler, but when he's in front of TheSpanishInquisition he boasts of pillaging and burning Spanish towns to the ground, proudly confessing to doing more of it than he's being charged with. In the 1930s this made him a badass to kids watching the movie; today, it sounds like he's writing his own indictment to go before the ICC and one can hardly blame the Spanish judge for throwing the book at him and the Spanish government for demanding that the English government pull the plug on their privateers as a result.

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* At one point, ''Film/{{TheSeaHawk}}'' ''Film/TheSeaHawk'' suffers from a bit of a disconnect due to the passage of time. Errol Flynn's Creator/ErrolFlynn's protagonist is a handsome and charming swashbuckler, but when he's in front of TheSpanishInquisition he boasts of pillaging and burning Spanish towns to the ground, proudly confessing to doing more of it than he's being charged with. In the 1930s this made him a badass to kids watching the movie; today, it sounds like he's writing his own indictment to go before the ICC and one can hardly blame the Spanish judge for throwing the book at him and the Spanish government for demanding that the English government pull the plug on their privateers as a result.
3rd Nov '17 3:06:41 PM SkylaNoivern
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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end, so he's not the worst example of an EthnicScrappy.
** There's also the treatment of geeks, who are [[LonersAreFreaks seen as social outcasts with strange or crazy obsessions]], which would seem strange after geek culture started to rise during TheNineties. One of the geeks (played by Creator/JoanCusack) is a neck-braced girl whose condition is joked about, which would be seen as a very ableist move today.
** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters - the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk". During the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower is seen.

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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, cringe. Long at least has a great time during the party at the end, so he's not the worst example of an EthnicScrappy.
** There's also the treatment of geeks, who are [[LonersAreFreaks seen as social outcasts with strange or crazy obsessions]], which would seem strange after as geek culture started to rise during TheNineties.today is very popular. One of the geeks (played by Creator/JoanCusack) is a neck-braced girl whose condition is joked about, which would be seen as a very ableist move today.
** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters - the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk". During There's also many scenes of nudity, such as the shower scene in the first quarter half of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower is seen.the movie.



** It has been argued that the film endorses sexual assault. Ted's constantly harasses Samantha during the story and nothing is done about this. There's also a scene where Ted and a drunken Caroline have their way (although consented), which would be seen as being akin to date rape today, especially since Ted actually endorsed this earlier on.

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** It has been argued that the film endorses sexual assault. Ted's constantly harasses Samantha during the story and nothing is done about this. There's also a scene where Ted and a drunken Caroline have their way (although consented), which would be seen as being akin to date rape today, especially since Ted actually endorsed this earlier on. In addition, intoxicated people in the US legally cannot consent, which makes it even more outdated.
26th Oct '17 8:23:27 PM wuggles
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26th Oct '17 8:23:26 PM wuggles
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* Showing how quickly this can happen, ''Film/TheHangover'', released in 2009, features a gag where one character calls another "Dr. Faggot". These days there's no way a mainstream film could get away with this without the character being portrayed as a villain.
16th Oct '17 12:55:44 PM SkylaNoivern
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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end, so he's not the worst example of an EthnicSrappy.

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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end, so he's not the worst example of an EthnicSrappy.EthnicScrappy.
16th Oct '17 12:55:44 PM SkylaNoivern
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16th Oct '17 12:41:57 PM SkylaNoivern
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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end.

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** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans, while still common, was lowering down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end.end, so he's not the worst example of an EthnicSrappy.



** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters - the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk". During the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower.

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** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters - the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk". During the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower.shower is seen.



** It has been argued that the film endorses sexual assault. Ted's constantly harasses Samantha during the story and nothing is done about this. There's also a scene where Ted and a drunken Caroline have their way (although consented), which would be seen as being akin date rape today.

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** It has been argued that the film endorses sexual assault. Ted's constantly harasses Samantha during the story and nothing is done about this. There's also a scene where Ted and a drunken Caroline have their way (although consented), which would be seen as being akin to date rape today.today, especially since Ted actually endorsed this earlier on.
15th Oct '17 4:19:42 AM SkylaNoivern
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* ''Film/SixteenCandles'':
** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans (particularly the Japanese), while still common was lowering down.

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* ''Film/SixteenCandles'':
''Film/SixteenCandles'' has many elements that have not aged well with today's audience.
** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans (particularly the Japanese), Asian-Americans, while still common common, was lowering down.down. Though thankfully, Long at least has a great time during the party at the end.



** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters (the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk"), and during the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower.

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** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters (the - the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk"), and during "bohunk". During the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower.shower.
** During one scene, Samantha talks to her friend about getting a black-colored Pontiac Trams-Am for her birthday. However, her description is rather vague, which leads to her friend acting in shock and thinking she actually wants [[ScaryBlackMan a black man]]. Samantha responds by saying "Black Trans Am, pink guy". At the time, interracial relationships were still seen as being a touchy subject as it had only been legalized in the late [[TheSixties '60s]], but with it being more common today, the friend's reaction can seem very awkward.
14th Oct '17 12:22:25 PM SkylaNoivern
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** It has been argued that the film endorses sexual assault. Ted's constantly harasses Samantha during the story and nothing is done about this. There's also a scene where Ted and a drunken Caroline have their way (although consented), which would be seen as being akin date rape today.
14th Oct '17 12:17:58 PM SkylaNoivern
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* ''Film/SixteenCandles'':
** The character of Long Duk Dong is essentially a walking embodiment of many different Southeastern Asian stereotypes, [[{{Leitmotif}} whose appearance is always marked with the sound of an oriental gong]]. While the gong was actually a [[ThrowItIn last minute addition]] that Gedde Watanabe was unfamiliar with, it would make today's viewers cringe, especially since TheEighties was a time when prejudice among Asian-Americans (particularly the Japanese), while still common was lowering down.
** There's also the treatment of geeks, who are [[LonersAreFreaks seen as social outcasts with strange or crazy obsessions]], which would seem strange after geek culture started to rise during TheNineties. One of the geeks (played by Creator/JoanCusack) is a neck-braced girl whose condition is joked about, which would be seen as a very ableist move today.
** The film features many elements that are unsuitable for a PG-rated movie today - There are several scenes of casual swearing by the main characters (the word "faggot" and shows up a lot, which is seen today as a swear on the same level as the N-word, and there's also the word "bohunk"), and during the first quarter of a movie, a full-on female nudity scene in a shower.
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