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* The debate about [[TransAudienceInterpretation whether Chihiro is transgender]] is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take to some, who instead headcanon Chihiro as a trans girl instead.

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* The debate about [[TransAudienceInterpretation whether Chihiro is transgender]] is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take to some, who instead headcanon Chihiro as a trans girl instead.who lacked the language to express herself.
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Disclaimer: If people want to headcanon Chihiro as a trans girl, I'm not going to say no. But 1. that is not a universal opinion (see Fandom Enraging Misconception), and 2. that's not what this page is for. This page is for differences in how different cultures view the same thing, not overly long Natter about elaborating said headcanon.


* The debate about [[TransAudienceInterpretation whether Chihiro is transgender]] is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.

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* The debate about [[TransAudienceInterpretation whether Chihiro is transgender]] is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due take to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before some, who instead headcanon Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by as a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.girl instead.
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This reads like shoehorned complaining. Fuyuhiko was mostly mean to Mikan in Chapters 1 and 2, where he was supposed to be unlikable. He and Mikan didn't really interact much in Chapter 3 and after that Mikan was dead and Fuyuhiko had gone through his character development.


* Hiyoko Saionji is a fairly popular character in Japan, but western audiences tend to ''[[AmericansHateTingle loathe]]'' [[RonTheDeathEater her]] although she's become more of a BaseBreakingCharacter in recent years. The main reason for this is that Hiyoko spends most of her screentime [[TheBully bullying]] [[ShrinkingViolet Mikan Tsumiki]]. Bullying in Japan doesn't have as much awareness as it does in most western countries, and many of Hiyoko's insults to Mikan (such as "[[SlutShaming trashy skank]]" or "nasty pigbarf") are ''tame'' in comparison of what Mikan says she had to go through when she was younger. Plus, Hiyoko doesn't exclusively target Mikan, she is just the only one who really reacts to her insults as the rest of the class (sans [[ButtMonkey Kazuichi]], who reacts to Hiyoko's insults as much as Mikan does, and Mahiru, who is the only one Hiyoko never mocks) tend to either ignore her or laugh at her antics (Hiyoko, in spite of being a teenager, [[OlderThanTheyLook has the appearance of a child]]). So where Japanese players may see a funny (if unsympathetic) moment, western players can't help but see a bully heaping more emotional trauma on TheWoobie (despite the western fanbase generally ignoring [[DracoInLeatherPants Fuyuhiko's]] similar treatment of her and similar behaviour from other bullies in the series such as [[DracoInLeatherPants Miu]]).

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* Hiyoko Saionji is a fairly popular character in Japan, but western audiences tend to ''[[AmericansHateTingle loathe]]'' [[RonTheDeathEater her]] although she's become more of a BaseBreakingCharacter in recent years. The main reason for this is that Hiyoko spends most of her screentime [[TheBully bullying]] [[ShrinkingViolet Mikan Tsumiki]]. Bullying in Japan doesn't have as much awareness as it does in most western countries, and many of Hiyoko's insults to Mikan (such as "[[SlutShaming trashy skank]]" or "nasty pigbarf") are ''tame'' in comparison of what Mikan says she had to go through when she was younger. Plus, Hiyoko doesn't exclusively target Mikan, she is just the only one who really reacts to her insults as the rest of the class (sans [[ButtMonkey Kazuichi]], who reacts to Hiyoko's insults as much as Mikan does, and Mahiru, who is the only one Hiyoko never mocks) tend to either ignore her or laugh at her antics (Hiyoko, in spite of being a teenager, [[OlderThanTheyLook has the appearance of a child]]). So where Japanese players may see a funny (if unsympathetic) moment, western players can't help but see a bully heaping more emotional trauma on TheWoobie (despite the western fanbase generally ignoring [[DracoInLeatherPants Fuyuhiko's]] similar treatment of her and similar behaviour from other bullies in the series such as [[DracoInLeatherPants Miu]]).TheWoobie.
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* Chapter 3 contains numerous sexual jokes revolving around the child sexual abuse survivor Kotoko, ranging from [[BlackComedyRape the Motivation Machine]] to her claiming that she's Totally18. While Japan, with its more laissez-faire attitudes towards LoliconAndShotacon, would regard it as criticizing said attitudes via BlackComedy, to Western audiences far more likely to see [[PaedoHunt pedophilia and child sexual abuse as a horrifically serious issue]], the jokes come across as [[DontShootTheMessage shooting the intended message]] at best, and outright glorification at worst.
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* Most of the humor and drama involving Kiyotaka, like many similar characters of his kind in Japanese and East Asian media, involve the fact he is a parody of the stereotypical Public Morals/Ethics Committee member, which, by default, he is supposed to be TheParagon of morals along his fellow students. In most Asian countries, especially eastern ones from the Sinosphere, like Japan, both Koreas, China, etc, Public Morals/Ethics are supposed to be a ''very'' SeriousBusiness, even in non-religious backgrounds, as the role of that subject is to teach younger people the social values of their culture, along with regular ethics. This is in stark contrast with many western countries, like those from the Americas or Southern Europe, when the topic of both Public Morals and Ethics are supposed to be taught on either in your home by your family, or in a religious school, while ethics are normally taught on higher school levels, such a high school or college, compared to Asia, where the subject is taught since elementary school. In some countries, both subjects are even treated as an ''afterthought'' at worst. This can make Kiyotaka sound somewhat old-fashioned for some western players and viewers. With that said, it hasn't stopped him from gaining many fans on both sides of the Pacific, as his overall compassion, hammy upholding of the rules, and wholesome OddFriendship with Mondo (that made the latter's execution even more tragic) have made him quite popular regardless of if one understands what his talent is supposed to be- especially as Kiyotaka makes a point that he has no real innate talent; he's just ''very'' motivated to excel.

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* Most of the humor and drama involving Kiyotaka, like many similar characters of his kind in Japanese and East Asian media, involve the fact he is a parody of the stereotypical Public Morals/Ethics Committee member, which, by default, he is supposed to be TheParagon of morals along among his fellow students. In most Asian countries, especially eastern ones from the Sinosphere, like Japan, both Koreas, China, etc, Public Morals/Ethics are supposed to be a ''very'' SeriousBusiness, even in non-religious backgrounds, as the role of that subject is to teach younger people the social values of their culture, along with regular ethics. This is in stark contrast with many western countries, like those from the Americas or Southern Europe, when the topic of both Public Morals and Ethics are supposed to be taught on either in your home by your family, or in a religious school, while ethics are normally taught on higher school levels, such a high school or college, compared to Asia, where the subject is taught since elementary school. In some countries, both subjects are even treated as an ''afterthought'' at worst. This can make Kiyotaka sound somewhat old-fashioned for some western players and viewers. With that said, it hasn't stopped him from gaining many fans on both sides of the Pacific, as his overall compassion, hammy upholding of the rules, and wholesome OddFriendship with Mondo (that made the latter's execution even more tragic) have made him quite popular regardless of if one understands what his talent is supposed to be- especially as Kiyotaka makes a point that he has no real innate talent; he's just ''very'' motivated to excel.
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* The debate about whether Chihiro is transgender is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.

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* The debate about [[TransAudienceInterpretation whether Chihiro is transgender transgender]] is also based on Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.
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* The debate about whether Chihiro is transgender is based on this. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.

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* The debate about whether Chihiro is transgender is also based on this.Western dissonance from a plot based on Japanese gender norms. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma in this reading threatened to reveal Chihiro's birth sex before Chihiro was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.
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* Daisaku Bandai's NonstandardCharacterDesign resembles a Caricature with said resemblance being intended as humorous, he has the talent of the Ultimate Farmer. While his whole character may come across as horrifically racist by Western standards, it is nothing out of the ordinary in Japan, where racial imagery isn't seen as much of a big deal as it is overseas.

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* Daisaku Bandai's Bandai, the Ultimate Farmer, has a NonstandardCharacterDesign resembles a Caricature with said resemblance being intended as humorous, he somewhat cartoony African features. In the US, which has a long history of discrimination and mean-spirited caricatures of black people, this comes off as ''horrifically'' racist. In Japan it's considered a complete non-issue since Japan never participated in the talent of African slave trade and there aren't many black people in Japan even in the Ultimate Farmer. While his whole character may come across as horrifically racist by Western standards, it is nothing out of the ordinary in Japan, where racial imagery isn't seen as much of a big deal as it is overseas. modern day.
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* The debate about whether Chihiro is transgender is based on this. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl, and Monokuma threatening them with the reveal of their birth gender (as far as Chihiro knows, their classmates might be transphobic, which would make them a pariah and potential target). Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.

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* The debate about whether Chihiro is transgender is based on this. Chihiro is a cisgender boy (he confesses as such to Makoto in his School Mode ending) who was always bullied for being small and weak, so he started presenting as a girl to make bullies leave him alone; unfortunately, this just made him feel weaker than ever because he wasn't able to stand up to them and tell people the truth. This is intended to be a commentary on Japanese emphasis on strict gender roles; Chihiro found it easier to try to not be a man ''at all'' than to be a non-traditional man. America is somewhat more accepting of [[InTouchWithHisFeminineSide feminine men]], so while American fans could understand getting bullied for not being manly (KidsAreCruel wherever you go), the idea that Chihiro would be pushed to cross-dressing by said bullying didn't take. Instead, due to greater visibility of trans issues, people chose to interpret Chihiro's story as cross-dressing because they genuinely wanted to be a girl, girl and being bullied out of transphobia. Monokuma threatening them with the in this reading threatened to reveal of their Chihiro's birth gender (as far as sex before Chihiro knows, their classmates might was ready to come out- something Chihiro has every reason to fear, given that it's not unknown for people to be transphobic, which would make them outright murdered simply for being transgender, to say nothing of when everyone's being put under pressure to kill by a pariah and potential target).sadistic teddy bear. Kyoko's reveal during the trial is thought to be incorrect because she only found out by investigating the body, and by this point Chihiro was too dead to contradict her- and Monokuma confirmed it because tarnishing Chihiro's memory by pretending they weren't trans is [[{{Troll}}very in-character]] for Monokuma.

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