History UsefulNotes / WarsOfTheRoses

15th May '17 1:26:00 AM frozen
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* MeaningfulRename: "Tudor" was not originally an English family name; it was a Welsh given name, originally spelled "Tudur", "Tydir", or "Tewdwr". Henry VII's grandfather was a Welsh squire who--because of his common ancestry--didn't have a family name at all. His name, Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur, simply meant "Owain, son of Maredudd, son of Tudur" (his grandfather's name, in turn, was "Tudur ap Goronwy"). It wasn't until after his secret marriage to Catherine de Valois that he took the anglicized name "Owen Tudor", making Tudor his surname. His much more famous grandson carried on the tradition when he took the throne and called his new royal line "The House of Tudor".

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* MeaningfulRename: "Tudor" was not originally an English family name; it was a The Welsh given name, originally spelled "Tudur", "Tydir", or "Tewdwr". Henry VII's grandfather was a Welsh squire who--because of his common ancestry--didn't have a family name at all. His name, the time did not use surnames no matter how highborn they were, and Owain ap Maredudd Meredudd ap Tudur, simply meant "Owain, Tudur (or, as anglicized, "Owen, son of Maredudd, Meredith, son of Tudur" (his grandfather's name, in turn, Theodore") was "Tudur ap Goronwy"). It wasn't until after his secret marriage no exception. When he first came to Catherine de Valois that court he took the anglicized his father's name as a surname and was referred to as "Owen Tudor", making Tudor his surname.Meredith", but by the time he entered into a relationship with Katherine of Valois he had renamed himself "Owen Tudor". His much more famous grandson carried on the tradition when he took the throne and called his new royal line "The House of Tudor".



* RagsToRiches: Would you believe that Henry Tudor was the grandson of a low-born Welsh squire? It's hard to believe, but he was. If it hadn't been for Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur traveling to London to seek his fortune, and having a chance love affair with Henry V's widow Catherine, there likely never would have been a House of Tudor. In fact, it was a stroke of monumental good luck that the English crown chose to recognize Owain and Catherine's two children as royalty, considering their marriage was technically ''illegal''. [[note]] The English court had passed laws decreeing that widowed queens could not remarry without the court's permission, since they feared the possibility of a queen trying to rule in her husband's name and produce a new heir. After the debacle of Edward II being deposed by his rebellious wife Isabella and her lover Roger Mortimer, the concern was somewhat understandable.[[/note]] But against all odds, their children were christened as Edmund and Jasper [[MeaningfulRename Tudor]], the Earl of Richmond and the Duke of Bedford. Henry VI eventually came to publicly recognize them as his half-siblings, and accepted them as allies for the Lancastrian cause. Then Edmund's son Henry eventually took the throne for the House of Lancaster, and the rest is history.

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* RagsToRiches: Would you believe that Henry Tudor was the grandson of a low-born Welsh squire? It's hard to believe, but he was. If it hadn't been for Owain ap Maredudd ap Tudur traveling to London to seek his fortune, and having a chance love affair with Henry V's widow Catherine, there likely never would have been a House of Tudor. In fact, it was a stroke of monumental good luck that the English crown chose to recognize Owain and Catherine's two children as royalty, considering their marriage was technically ''illegal''. [[note]] The English court had passed laws decreeing that widowed queens could not remarry without the court's permission, since they feared the possibility of a queen trying to rule in her husband's name and produce a new heir. After the debacle of Edward II being deposed by his rebellious wife Isabella and her lover Roger Mortimer, the concern was somewhat understandable.[[/note]] But against all odds, their children were christened as Edmund and Jasper [[MeaningfulRename Tudor]], the Earl of Richmond and the Duke of Bedford. Henry VI eventually came to publicly recognize them as his half-siblings, and accepted them as allies for the Lancastrian cause. Then Edmund's son Henry eventually took the throne for the House of Lancaster, and the rest is history.history.
That said, it's often wrongly said that Owen Tudor was a "low-born squire". He was the scion of an ''extremely'' highly placed and powerful family and was a descendant of not just the great Llywelyn Fawr but of virtually every native Welsh prince, often through female lines. His direct male ancestors were the seneschals of Gwynedd.
15th May '17 1:06:50 AM frozen
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On a side note, the "Wars of the Roses" were [[BeamMeUpScotty never called that by contemporaries]]. While the name does come from the [[FlowerMotifs White and Red Rose]] badges of the Yorkists and Lancastrians, respectively, it wasn't until Creator/{{Shakespeare}} and Creator/WalterScott that the conflict became known by its now common name. Earlier commentators might have called it the English Civil War (a name later taken by a [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar rather more ideological conflict]]) or perhaps as the War of the English Succession (which later became a now-disused name for the [[UsefulNotes/HanoverStuartWars Nine Years' War]]). Until UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the Battle of Towton was the bloodiest single day for British soldiery; around 28,000 men perished on those snowy fields, a record that would not be surpassed until the opening day of the Battle of the Somme 450 years later.

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On a side note, the "Wars of the Roses" were [[BeamMeUpScotty never called that by contemporaries]]. While the name does come from the [[FlowerMotifs White and Red Rose]] badges of the Yorkists and Lancastrians, respectively, it wasn't until Creator/{{Shakespeare}} and Creator/WalterScott that the conflict became known by its now common name. Earlier commentators might have called it the Cousins' War, the English Civil War (a name later taken by a [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar rather more ideological conflict]]) or perhaps as the War of the English Succession (which later became a now-disused name for the [[UsefulNotes/HanoverStuartWars Nine Years' War]]). Until UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the Battle of Towton was the bloodiest single day for British soldiery; around 28,000 men perished on those snowy fields, a record that would not be surpassed until the opening day of the Battle of the Somme 450 years later.



* CoolUncle: Henry Tudor certainly saw his uncle Jasper Tudor as this, considering he served as his primary political and military advisor for much of the last phase of the wars. Since Henry's father Edmund died in captivity when we was an infant, Jasper was also [[ParentalSubstitute the closest thing he had to a father]].

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* CoolUncle: Henry Tudor certainly saw his uncle Jasper Tudor as this, considering he served as his primary political and military advisor for much of the last phase of the wars. Since Henry's father Edmund died in captivity when we was an infant, before his birth, Jasper was also [[ParentalSubstitute the closest thing he had to a father]].
16th Apr '17 3:48:50 PM capretty
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The Wars of the Roses were a series of [[SuccessionCrisis dynastic civil wars]] set in [[UsefulNotes/{{Britain}} England]] between [[TheLateMiddleAges 1455 and 1485]]. They originated in a struggle between descendants of two of King Edward III [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfPlantagenet Plantagenet]]'s eight sons. [[Usefulnotes/HenryTheFourth Henry]] "Bolingbroke" of the [[TheClan House of Lancaster]] [[TheUsurper stole the throne]] from his cousin, Edward's first grandson Richard II. Although his house had a couple of strong monarchs (see Theatre/HenryV), Henry VI turned out to be a strange boy with mental issues. He was challenged for the throne by TheRival [[FeudingFamilies House of York]] (a cousin line descended from Edward III). After thirty years of conflict, in which almost all of the Lancastrians died, [[TakeAThirdOption Henry VII]] from UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfTudor was crowned. He was a cousin of the Lancastrian side, and married a daughter of the Yorkist faction, uniting the two sides. However some historians claim this wasn't the end of the Wars, as there were still threats to Henry from Yorkist Pretenders, which a lot of the nobility didn't seem ready to help him against.

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The Wars of the Roses were a series of [[SuccessionCrisis dynastic civil wars]] set in [[UsefulNotes/{{Britain}} England]] between [[TheLateMiddleAges 1455 and 1485]]. They originated in a struggle between descendants of two of King Edward III [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfPlantagenet Plantagenet]]'s eight sons. [[Usefulnotes/HenryTheFourth Henry]] "Bolingbroke" of the [[TheClan House of Lancaster]] [[TheUsurper stole the throne]] from his cousin, Edward's first grandson Richard II. Although his house had a couple of strong monarchs (see Theatre/HenryV), Henry VI turned out to be a strange boy with mental issues. He was challenged for the throne by TheRival [[FeudingFamilies House of York]] (a cousin line descended from Edward III). After thirty years of conflict, in which almost all of the Lancastrians died, [[TakeAThirdOption Henry VII]] from UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfTudor was crowned. He was a cousin of the Lancastrian side, and married Elizabeth of York, a daughter of the Yorkist faction, uniting the two sides. However some historians claim this wasn't the end of the Wars, as there were still threats to Henry from Yorkist Pretenders, which a lot of the nobility didn't seem ready to help him against.
14th Apr '17 3:34:35 AM Ruddigore
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* RichesToRags: The Wars played a key role in the eventual decline and downfall of the once all-powerful Medici Bank. As their power and wealth grew, the Medici eventually opened a branch of their business in London. This branch made the fatal mistake of loaning colossal sums of money to different claimants and their supporters despite the historical tendency of English monarchs to default on loans. When the dust settled, the Medici found to their horror that a great many of their debtors were now dead or ruined and thus unable to repay a penny. On top of that, they'd spent a great deal of money backing ''Lancastrian'' nobles, only for the ''Yorkist'' Edward IV to end up on the throne. Worse still, Edward was in no position to pay off any of the money he owed either, and was only able to offer the Medici exemption from tariffs on wool exports (English wool being a huge part of the European textile industry). The Medici were forced to close their London branch in 1478, with final losses of 51,533 florins, an astronomical sum for the time.
3rd Jan '17 9:54:33 PM Chytus
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On a side note, the "Wars of the Roses" were [[BeamMeUpScotty never called that by contemporaries]]. While the name does come from the [[FlowerMotifs White and Red Rose]] badges of the Yorkists and Lancastrians, respectively, it wasn't until Creator/{{Shakespeare}} and Creator/WalterScott that the conflict became known by its now common name. Earlier commentators might have called it the English Civil War (a name later taken by a [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar rather more ideological conflict]]) or perhaps as the War of the English Succession (which later became a now-disused name for the [[UsefulNotes/HanoverStuartWars Nine Years' War]]). Until WorldWarOne, the Battle of Towton was the bloodiest single day for British soldiery; around 28,000 men perished on those snowy fields, a record that would not be surpassed until the opening day of the Battle of the Somme 450 years later.

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On a side note, the "Wars of the Roses" were [[BeamMeUpScotty never called that by contemporaries]]. While the name does come from the [[FlowerMotifs White and Red Rose]] badges of the Yorkists and Lancastrians, respectively, it wasn't until Creator/{{Shakespeare}} and Creator/WalterScott that the conflict became known by its now common name. Earlier commentators might have called it the English Civil War (a name later taken by a [[UsefulNotes/EnglishCivilWar rather more ideological conflict]]) or perhaps as the War of the English Succession (which later became a now-disused name for the [[UsefulNotes/HanoverStuartWars Nine Years' War]]). Until WorldWarOne, UsefulNotes/WorldWarI, the Battle of Towton was the bloodiest single day for British soldiery; around 28,000 men perished on those snowy fields, a record that would not be surpassed until the opening day of the Battle of the Somme 450 years later.



* InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons: Invoked by Henry Tudor, who used a red dragon as his personal banner while rallying his troops. Partly served as a marker of his Welsh heritage (the red dragon being a popular national emblem of Wales), and partly as a sign of his claim that he would bring the English monarchy back to its glory days of medieval chivalry. It's the sort of unabashed romanticism that you would expect of an English monarch who named his eldest son "[[KingArthur Arthur]]".
* ItsPersonal: See CycleOfRevenge. In a war that was essentially a long succession of family feuds, a few moments like this were inevitable. For Richard of York, it was probably his rival Edmund of Somerset replacing him as a Commander in France, and later being named the godfather of the infant Prince Edward. For Somerset, it was probably being imprisoned in the Tower of London by York. For Edward of York, his father's death at the Battle of Wakefield strengthened his resolve to crush the Lancastrians at all costs. Similarly, Somerset's death at the Battle of Saint Albans left his son Henry determined to crush the Yorkists, while Henry Tudor was galvanized into becoming a major player in the Wars after his father Edmund and his grandfather Owen were both captured and executed by Yorkist forces.
* LaserGuidedKarma: See HistoryRepeats. Not only were the Wars of the Roses preceded by a strikingly similar civil conflict in France, the mentally unstable French monarch who made that war possible (Charles VI) was actually the father of Catherine de Valois, the French princess who Henry V married to solidify his claim to the French throne--thus making him Henry VI's grandfather. Considering Henry VI's later bouts of instability (which may have been caused by some form of schizophrenia), it's quite possible that he inherited his grandfather's mental illness, and that Henry V inadvertently brought about the fall of the House of Plantagenet by trying to exploit the civil war in France.

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* InstantAwesomeJustAddDragons: Invoked by Henry Tudor, who used a red dragon as his personal banner while rallying his troops. Partly served as a marker of his Welsh heritage (the red dragon being a popular national emblem of Wales), and partly as a sign of his claim that he would bring the English monarchy back to its glory days of medieval chivalry. It's the sort of unabashed romanticism that you would expect of an English monarch who named his eldest son "[[KingArthur "[[Myth/KingArthur Arthur]]".
* ItsPersonal: See CycleOfRevenge. In a war that was essentially a long succession of family feuds, a few moments like this were inevitable. For Richard of York, it was probably his rival Edmund of Somerset replacing him as a Commander in France, and later being named the godfather of the infant Prince Edward. For Somerset, it was probably being imprisoned in the Tower of London by York. For Edward of York, his father's death at the Battle of Wakefield strengthened his resolve to crush the Lancastrians at all costs. Similarly, Somerset's death at the Battle of Saint Albans left his son Henry determined to crush the Yorkists, while Henry Tudor was galvanized into becoming a major player in the Wars after his father Edmund and his grandfather Owen were both captured and executed by Yorkist forces.
* LaserGuidedKarma: See HistoryRepeats. Not only were the Wars of the Roses preceded by a strikingly similar civil conflict in France, the mentally unstable French monarch who made that war possible (Charles VI) was actually the father of Catherine de Valois, the French princess who Henry V married to solidify his claim to the French throne--thus making him Henry VI's grandfather. Considering Henry VI's later bouts of instability (which may have been caused by some form of schizophrenia), it's quite possible that he inherited his grandfather's mental illness, and that Henry V inadvertently brought about the fall of the House of Plantagenet by trying to exploit the civil war in France.



* TakeAThirdOption: Who won the Wars of the Roses: the House of York or the House of Lancaster? It's a trick question; ''neither'' side technically won in the end, as the throne was ultimately inherited by the newly christened House of Tudor. Though Henry VII fought on the Lancastrian side, and he was descended from the same royal line as Henry VI, he set up a new royal house that bore the name of his own father, Edmund Tudor. The sigil of the House of Tudor (see page image) was made both red and white to emphasize the fact that it was neither York nor Lancaster.

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* TakeAThirdOption: Who won the Wars of the Roses: the House of York or the House of Lancaster? It's a trick question; ''neither'' side technically won in the end, as the throne was ultimately inherited by the newly christened House of Tudor. Though Henry VII fought on the Lancastrian side, and he was descended from the same royal line as Henry VI, he set up a new royal house that bore the name of his own father, Edmund Tudor. The sigil of the House of Tudor (see page image) was made both red and white to emphasize the fact that it was neither York nor Lancaster.



* TyrantTakesTheHelm: See HistoricalVillainUpgrade. Richard III's ascension to the throne is often portrayed this way, since he technically seized the throne from the lawful heir Prince Edward V (who was just 12 years old at the time). Whether he could justifiably be called a "tyrant", however, is a matter of much debate.

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* TyrantTakesTheHelm: See HistoricalVillainUpgrade. Richard III's ascension to the throne is often portrayed this way, since he technically seized the throne from the lawful heir Prince Edward V (who was just 12 years old at the time). Whether he could justifiably be called a "tyrant", however, is a matter of much debate.
12th Dec '16 4:30:35 PM Solicitr
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* NotSoDifferent: From a certain perspective, there were ''no'' "rightful" monarchs in the House of York or the House of Lancaster. Chances were, if you didn't seize the throne of England by force, you inherited it from somebody who did. As you might expect, this made questions of proper rulership considerably more contentious.

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* NotSoDifferent: From a certain perspective, there were ''no'' "rightful" monarchs in the House of York or the House of Lancaster. The Lancastrian possession of the crown stemmed from Henry Bolingbroke's forcible usurpation[[note]] and almost certainly the subsequent murder[[/note]] of the rightful king, Richard II, while the Yorkist claim was inferior even to the Lancastrians.' The eventual winner, Henry Tudor, had essentially no claim to the throne whatsoever, since his only (English) royal blood came in the female line from a bastard branch of the family which had been formally excluded from the succession by Act of Parliament. Chances were, if you didn't seize the throne of England by force, you inherited it from somebody who did. As you might expect, this made questions of proper rulership considerably more contentious.
12th Dec '16 4:20:29 PM Solicitr
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* NonIndicativeName: The House of Lancaster wasn't based in the Duchy of Lancaster, and it wasn't a "House" (a clan bearing the common family name "Lancaster") in the traditional sense. The name refers to the fact that the House, as the Reigning one, was founded by Henry Bolingbroke, Duke of Lancaster; and the rebel faction was centered around Richard Duke of York and his claim to the throne. Both sides' actual surname was Plantagenet.

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* NonIndicativeName: The House of Lancaster wasn't based in the Duchy of Lancaster, and it wasn't a "House" (a clan bearing the common family name "Lancaster") in the traditional sense. The name refers to the fact that the House, House was established as the Reigning one, was founded reigning branch of the royal family by Henry Bolingbroke, Duke of Lancaster; and the rebel faction was centered around Richard Duke of York and his hereditary claim to the throne. Both sides' Houses' actual surname was Plantagenet.
12th Dec '16 4:15:46 PM Solicitr
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* NonIndicativeName: The House of Lancaster wasn't based in the Duchy of Lancaster, and it wasn't a "House" (a clan bearing the common family name "Lancaster") in the traditional sense. The name refers to the fact that the Duchy of Lancaster was historically a private holding ruled directly by the reigning royal family, rather than by one of their subservient lords. [[note]] That tradition actually still survives today. One of Queen Elizabeth II's many royal titles is "Duke of Lancaster".[[/note]] Lancastrians were loyal to the reigning royal family of England, while Yorkists wanted to see them overthrown.

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* NonIndicativeName: The House of Lancaster wasn't based in the Duchy of Lancaster, and it wasn't a "House" (a clan bearing the common family name "Lancaster") in the traditional sense. The name refers to the fact that the Duchy of Lancaster House, as the Reigning one, was historically a private holding ruled directly founded by Henry Bolingbroke, Duke of Lancaster; and the reigning royal family, rather than by one rebel faction was centered around Richard Duke of their subservient lords. [[note]] That tradition actually still survives today. One of Queen Elizabeth II's many royal titles is "Duke of Lancaster".[[/note]] Lancastrians were loyal York and his claim to the reigning royal family of England, while Yorkists wanted to see them overthrown.throne. Both sides' actual surname was Plantagenet.
20th Nov '16 8:18:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Terry Pratchett's ''{{Nation}}'', it's mentioned that one of Daphne's ancestors fought in the War of the Roses... wearing a '''pink''' rose and thus ended up fighting both sides at once. Because everyone thought it was bad luck to kill a madman, he lived through it. Fanshaws may be pigheaded and stupid, but they fight.

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* In Terry Pratchett's ''{{Nation}}'', ''Literature/{{Nation}}'', it's mentioned that one of Daphne's ancestors fought in the War of the Roses... wearing a '''pink''' rose and thus ended up fighting both sides at once. Because everyone thought it was bad luck to kill a madman, he lived through it. Fanshaws may be pigheaded and stupid, but they fight.
30th Oct '16 7:04:32 AM Anddrix
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* [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical Subtly referred]] to in Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/AliceInWonderland''.

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* [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical Subtly referred]] to in Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/AliceInWonderland''.''Film/AliceInWonderland2010''.
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