History UsefulNotes / Vietnam

18th Feb '17 1:56:50 AM jamespolk
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* French movies like ''Indochine'' and ''L'Amant'' that take place in early 20th century Vietnam.

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* French movies like ''Indochine'' ''Film/{{Indochine}}'' and ''L'Amant'' that take place in early 20th century Vietnam.
9th Feb '17 1:09:57 PM Larkmarn
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Approximately 3 million Vietnamese live spread out over the world. The vast majority of them are (or are descendants of) refugees from South Vietnam from the end of the Vietnamese war. The term for them is ''Người Việt Hải Ngoại'' (literally "Overseas Vietnamese") or ''Việt Kiều'' (literally "Vietnamese Sojourner"), the latter term is usually how they self-identify and the former is the official term used by the Vietnamese government.

Approximately half of the Overseas Vietnamese live in the United States. In fiction (and in real life) they are associated with working in nail salons. Fascinatingly, this stems from actress Creator/TippiHedren, who took it upon herself to help refugees from the Vietnam War by having them taught a trade and sending them to beauty school. Unsurprisingly, most Vietnamese in the United States have issues with the current Vietnamese government and are more likely to fly the Southern Vietnamese flag.

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Approximately 3 million Vietnamese live spread out over the world. The vast majority of them are (or are descendants of) refugees from South Vietnam from the end of the Vietnamese war. The term for them is ''Người Việt Hải Ngoại'' (literally "Overseas Vietnamese") or ''Việt Kiều'' (literally "Vietnamese Sojourner"), the latter term is usually how they self-identify and the former is the official term used by the Vietnamese government. The vast majority of them are (or are descendants of) refugees from South Vietnam from the end of the Vietnamese War. The Vietnamese refugees fleeing the war are generally referred to as [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_boat_people Vietnamese boat people]], no matter how it is they fled.

Approximately half of the Overseas Vietnamese live in the United States. In fiction (and in real life) they are associated with working in nail salons. Fascinatingly, this stems from actress Creator/TippiHedren, who took it upon herself to help refugees from the Vietnam War by having them taught a trade and sending them to beauty school. Unsurprisingly, most Vietnamese in the United States have issues with the current Vietnamese government and are more likely to fly the Southern Vietnamese flag. That said, the majority of them still have family in Vietnam and a great sense of national pride and identity.
9th Feb '17 12:56:14 PM Larkmarn
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!!Vietnamese Emigrants Worldwide
Approximately 3 million Vietnamese live spread out over the world. The vast majority of them are (or are descendants of) refugees from South Vietnam from the end of the Vietnamese war. The term for them is ''Người Việt Hải Ngoại'' (literally "Overseas Vietnamese") or ''Việt Kiều'' (literally "Vietnamese Sojourner"), the latter term is usually how they self-identify and the former is the official term used by the Vietnamese government.

Approximately half of the Overseas Vietnamese live in the United States. In fiction (and in real life) they are associated with working in nail salons. Fascinatingly, this stems from actress Creator/TippiHedren, who took it upon herself to help refugees from the Vietnam War by having them taught a trade and sending them to beauty school. Unsurprisingly, most Vietnamese in the United States have issues with the current Vietnamese government and are more likely to fly the Southern Vietnamese flag.

Given the nature of French colonialism in Vietnam, it's natural that they have the second largest population of Overseas Vietnamese. Approximately 350,000 Vietnamese live in France, primarily in Paris. Unlike the United State or Australia, they are less likely to live in [[FriendlyNeighborhoodChinatown Vietnamese enclaves]] and are more disbursed through the population, likely owing to the fact that they have been in France much longer due to their much longer mutual history.
6th Feb '17 1:03:57 PM Larkmarn
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* The eighth season premiere of ''Series/AnthonyBourdainPartsUnknown'' takes place in Hanoi (and partially Ha Long Bay, for some reason). Anthony Bourdain emphasizes how little the average American knows about Vietnam outside of the Vietnam War. This episode was filmed when UsefulNotes/BarackObama was visiting and features the two eating bun cha.

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* The eighth season premiere of ''Series/AnthonyBourdainPartsUnknown'' takes place in Hanoi (and partially Ha Long Bay, for some reason). Anthony Bourdain emphasizes how little the average American knows about Vietnam outside of the Vietnam War. This episode was filmed when UsefulNotes/BarackObama was visiting and features the two eating bun cha. Bourdain's various food/travel shows have all had episodes in Vietnam, and the country holds a special place in his heart.
6th Feb '17 12:24:00 PM Larkmarn
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In 1986, when destitute Vietnam was near the verge of collapse, a progressive faction in the Communist party rose to power and implemented a course of economic reform called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doi_Moi Renovation]], similar to what Deng Xiaoping did to China eight years earlier. Vietnam thus ceased to be a CommieLand in the strict sense of the term, and nowadays it's a young market economy with rather shaky macroeconomic conditions, dictated by a one-party regime which is in fact an oligarchy. Their relatives (or even themselves) are [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Corrupt Corporate Executives]] of the very keystone corporations in Vietnam, while the people working for the government for paycheck are unabashedly [[ObstructiveBureaucrat obstructive bureaucrats]].

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In 1986, when destitute Vietnam was near the verge of collapse, a progressive faction in the Communist party rose to power and implemented a course of economic reform called [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doi_Moi Renovation]], similar to what Deng Xiaoping did to China eight years earlier. Vietnam thus ceased to be a CommieLand in the strict sense of the term, and nowadays it's a young market economy with rather shaky macroeconomic conditions, dictated by a one-party regime which is in fact an oligarchy. Their relatives (or even themselves) are [[CorruptCorporateExecutive Corrupt Corporate Executives]] of the very keystone corporations in Vietnam, while the people working for the government for paycheck are unabashedly [[ObstructiveBureaucrat obstructive bureaucrats]].
bureaucrats]]. Corruption in the police force is fairly common, with the police often being accused (not without reason) of being useless to anyone without money.
6th Feb '17 12:19:55 PM Larkmarn
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Those living where the anti-communist diaspora has a strong presence might see Vietnamese people display instead the flag of the former South Vietnam, left, now officially "The Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag" in some states of America. Do so in Vietnam and you will run into serious trouble with the law and the regime, for obvious reasons. To put it in an American perspective, consider it to be like flying a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Confederate flag]] in a northern state times a hundred. Similarly, the socialist republic flag is an excellent FlameBait to the South Vietnamese diaspora. In short, both can put you in [[SeriousBusiness grave danger]] if you display them in the wrong place. Think flying the

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Those living where the anti-communist diaspora has a strong presence might see Vietnamese people display instead the flag of the former South Vietnam, left, now officially "The Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag" in some states of America. Do so in Vietnam and you will run into serious trouble with the law and the regime, for obvious reasons. To put it in an American perspective, consider it to be like flying a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Confederate flag]] in a northern state times a hundred. Similarly, the socialist republic flag is an excellent FlameBait to the South Vietnamese diaspora. In short, both can put you in [[SeriousBusiness grave danger]] if you display them in the wrong place. Think flying the \n
6th Feb '17 12:19:15 PM Larkmarn
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Those living where the anti-communist diaspora has a strong presence might see Vietnamese people display instead the flag of the former South Vietnam, left, now officially "The Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag" in some states of America. Do so in Vietnam and you will run into serious trouble with the law and the regime, for obvious reasons. Similarly, the socialist republic flag is an excellent FlameBait to the South Vietnamese diaspora. In short, both can put you in [[SeriousBusiness grave danger]] if you display them in the wrong place.

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Those living where the anti-communist diaspora has a strong presence might see Vietnamese people display instead the flag of the former South Vietnam, left, now officially "The Vietnamese Heritage and Freedom Flag" in some states of America. Do so in Vietnam and you will run into serious trouble with the law and the regime, for obvious reasons. To put it in an American perspective, consider it to be like flying a [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar Confederate flag]] in a northern state times a hundred. Similarly, the socialist republic flag is an excellent FlameBait to the South Vietnamese diaspora. In short, both can put you in [[SeriousBusiness grave danger]] if you display them in the wrong place.
place. Think flying the
6th Feb '17 11:49:48 AM Larkmarn
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* The 1999 film ''Film/ThreeSeasons'' was filmed and takes place in Ho Chi Minh City. It is the first American movie to be filmed in Vietnam after relations between the two countries were formally normalized.
25th Jan '17 8:56:16 AM Larkmarn
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In spite of attempts to defuse the situation, war started between the two sides on November 1946. The Viet Minh were backed up by China and Soviet Russia abroad and a wide coalition of lesser nationalist and left-wing Indochinese rebel groups who banded together to fight the French, while the French Union were supported by the US, UK, and the Netherlands as well as Indochinese loyalists. Both sides fought extensively and greatly, with the Viet Minh suffering greater losses but with greater manpower. The [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ''Siege of Điện Biên Phủ'' in March-May 1954 became a historic battle]], caused by a blunder by the French, who didn't expect the Vietnamese to have heavy artillery and to be able to move those weapons in difficult terrain. The French lost around 23,000 of its personnel (captured or killed), which was a third of its total strength. A ceasefire was negotiated and the Geneva Accords were agreed to, which dissolved French administration over Vietnam and withdrew French personnel. However, it also split the country into two part, North and South Vietnam, with North Vietnam under Communist rule of Ho Chi Minh, and South Vietnam under the rule of Bảo Đại, the current descendant of the Nguyễn Dynasty (they're still existing? Yeah). And thus, the background for UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar was set up. Please go to the page for further explanation of the period.

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In spite of attempts to defuse the situation, war started between the two sides on November 1946. The Viet Minh were backed up by China and Soviet Russia abroad and a wide coalition of lesser nationalist and left-wing Indochinese rebel groups who banded together to fight the French, while the French Union were supported by the US, UK, and the Netherlands as well as Indochinese loyalists. Both sides fought extensively and greatly, with the Viet Minh suffering greater losses but with greater manpower. The [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ''Siege of Điện Biên Phủ'' in March-May 1954 became a historic battle]], battle, caused by a blunder by the French, who didn't expect the Vietnamese to have heavy artillery and to be able to move those weapons in difficult terrain. The French lost around 23,000 of its personnel (captured or killed), which was a third of its total strength. A ceasefire was negotiated and the Geneva Accords were agreed to, which dissolved French administration over Vietnam and withdrew French personnel. However, it also split the country into two part, North and South Vietnam, with North Vietnam under Communist rule of Ho Chi Minh, and South Vietnam under the rule of Bảo Đại, the current descendant of the Nguyễn Dynasty (they're still existing? Yeah). And thus, the background for UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar was set up. Please go to the page for further explanation of the period.
21st Jan '17 8:37:20 PM buihuuduyet
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In spite of attempts to defuse the situation, war started between the two sides on November 1946. The Viet Minh were backed up by China and Soviet Russia abroad and a wide coalition of lesser nationalist and left-wing Indochinese rebel groups who banded together to fight the French, while the French Union were supported by the US, UK, and the Netherlands as well as Indochinese loyalists. Both sides fought extensively and greatly, with the Viet Minh suffering greater losses but with greater manpower. The [[CrowningMoentOfAwesome ''Siege of Điện Biên Phủ'' in March-May 1954 became a historic battle]], caused by a blunder by the French, who didn't expect the Vietnamese to have heavy artillery and to be able to move those weapons in difficult terrain. The French lost around 23,000 of its personnel (captured or killed), which was a third of its total strength. A ceasefire was negotiated and the Geneva Accords were agreed to, which dissolved French administration over Vietnam and withdrew French personnel. However, it also split the country into two part, North and South Vietnam, with North Vietnam under Communist rule of Ho Chi Minh, and South Vietnam under the rule of Bảo Đại, the current descendant of the Nguyễn Dynasty (they're still existing? Yeah). And thus, the background for UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar was set up. Please go to the page for further explanation of the period.

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In spite of attempts to defuse the situation, war started between the two sides on November 1946. The Viet Minh were backed up by China and Soviet Russia abroad and a wide coalition of lesser nationalist and left-wing Indochinese rebel groups who banded together to fight the French, while the French Union were supported by the US, UK, and the Netherlands as well as Indochinese loyalists. Both sides fought extensively and greatly, with the Viet Minh suffering greater losses but with greater manpower. The [[CrowningMoentOfAwesome [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome ''Siege of Điện Biên Phủ'' in March-May 1954 became a historic battle]], caused by a blunder by the French, who didn't expect the Vietnamese to have heavy artillery and to be able to move those weapons in difficult terrain. The French lost around 23,000 of its personnel (captured or killed), which was a third of its total strength. A ceasefire was negotiated and the Geneva Accords were agreed to, which dissolved French administration over Vietnam and withdrew French personnel. However, it also split the country into two part, North and South Vietnam, with North Vietnam under Communist rule of Ho Chi Minh, and South Vietnam under the rule of Bảo Đại, the current descendant of the Nguyễn Dynasty (they're still existing? Yeah). And thus, the background for UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar was set up. Please go to the page for further explanation of the period.
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