History UsefulNotes / TheKoreanWar

19th Apr '18 12:56:43 PM Kadorhal
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And in a sane world, that's where the war would've ended, after only a single bloody year. But negotiations dragged on for two more years, and men continued to die by the thousands with no territorial gains for either side (much like UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne a generation earlier, only this time with jets). The Soviet Union snuck in some pilots, partly as a show of solidarity with the PRC but also to gain experience in modern air-air combat. The UN forces knew they were there, but weren't keen on starting a war with the [[Main/{{RedsWithRockets}} Reds With Rockets]].[[note]] American and British fighter pilots had standing orders to kill any enemy fighter pilot suspected of being a Russian. Not shoot him down, ''kill him''. This was to send a message to the Soviets, who insisted that [[BlatantLies every Mig-15 was being flown by a "brave Chinese volunteer."]] [[/note]]

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And in a sane world, that's where the war would've ended, after only a single bloody year. But negotiations dragged on for two more years, and men continued to die by the thousands with no territorial gains for either side (much like UsefulNotes/WorldWarOne a generation earlier, only this time with jets). The Soviet Union snuck in some pilots, partly as a show of solidarity with the PRC but also to gain experience in modern air-air combat. The UN forces knew they were there, but weren't keen on starting a war with the [[Main/{{RedsWithRockets}} Reds With Rockets]].RedsWithRockets.[[note]] American and British fighter pilots had standing orders to kill any enemy fighter pilot suspected of being a Russian. Not shoot him down, ''kill him''. This was to send a message to the Soviets, who insisted that [[BlatantLies every Mig-15 was being flown by a "brave Chinese volunteer."]] [[/note]]



* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WarIsHell}} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]
* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under [=MacArthur=] launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur and the UN command vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present]])The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat as a result of over-confidence, poor intelligence and inappropriate planning,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} the UN forces were almost shattered completely and routed back to South Korea for refit.]]
* PathOfMostResistance: On one instance in Nov 1950, a ROK unit deployed near the Chinese-DPRK border was shelled by heavy mortar, which lead the UN command to believe they were near the last remnants of DPRK forces, which they were seeking to destroy. Only after a small number of skirmishes did it reveal that [[Main/{{OhCrap}}they would be facing the newly arrived Chinese.]]

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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WarIsHell}} [[WarIsHell except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]
* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under [=MacArthur=] launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur Korea ([=MacArthur=] and the UN command vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present]])The present). The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat as a result of over-confidence, poor intelligence and inappropriate planning,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} planning, [[EpicFail the UN forces were almost shattered completely and routed back to South Korea for refit.]]
* PathOfMostResistance: On one instance in Nov 1950, a ROK unit deployed near the Chinese-DPRK border was shelled by heavy mortar, which lead the UN command to believe they were near the last remnants of DPRK forces, which they were seeking to destroy. Only after a small number of skirmishes did it reveal that [[Main/{{OhCrap}}they [[OhCrap they would be facing the newly arrived Chinese.]]



* TemptingFate: [=MacArthur=] again. On 15th October 1950 he speculated [[Main/{{MillionToOneChance}} that the risk of Chinese intervention in Korea was small]], and assured that a Chinese advance to Pyongyang would be "the greatest slaughter". Chinese forces started arriving in North Korea on 19th October, and [[Main/{{NotSoInvincibleAfterAll}} UN command was forced to abandon all occupied territories in North Korea, including Pyongyang, on 3rd December 1950, after suffering a series of defeats.]]

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* TemptingFate: [=MacArthur=] again. On 15th October 1950 he speculated [[Main/{{MillionToOneChance}} [[MillionToOneChance that the risk of Chinese intervention in Korea was small]], and assured that a Chinese advance to Pyongyang would be "the greatest slaughter". Chinese forces started arriving in North Korea on 19th October, and [[Main/{{NotSoInvincibleAfterAll}} [[NotSoInvincibleAfterAll UN command was forced to abandon all occupied territories in North Korea, including Pyongyang, on 3rd December 1950, after suffering a series of defeats.]]



* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverKill: Averted with [[https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-70550007/van-fleet-loads Van Fleet Load]] during the Battle of Triangle Hills. General Van Fleet concentrated a spectacular amount of artillery fire on Chinese positions in hope to batter the defenders, [[Main/{{NoSell}} but the main Chinese forces were mostly intact despite being bombarded]], due to extensive field fortification and concealment. The UN forces suffered much higher casualties than they anticipated as a result.


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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverKill: Averted with [[https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-70550007/van-fleet-loads Van Fleet Load]] during the Battle of Triangle Hills. General Van Fleet concentrated a spectacular amount of artillery fire on Chinese positions in hope to batter the defenders, [[Main/{{NoSell}} [[NoSell but the main Chinese forces were mostly intact despite being bombarded]], due to extensive field fortification and concealment. The UN forces suffered much higher casualties than they anticipated as a result.




* Though ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps'' primarily focuses on Vietnam, the dossier the player can unlock for protagonist Alex Mason mentions that he served in the USMC Force Recon during Vietnam before being recruited for [[UsefulNotes/BayOfPigsInvasion Operation 40]].



* ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Chaos Theory'' has the war restart halfway through the game as a result of the bad guys using weaponized computer algorithms to autonomously launch a North Korean missile at a US carrier, sinking it and pinning the blame on them. One level has [[TheHero Sam]] sneaking his way through a war-torn Seoul (which caused it to be [[BannedInChina Banned In South Korea]] for a while).
* ''VideoGame/GhostRecon 2'' is an interesting case, as the "First Contact" version for [=PS2=] and [=GameCube=] depicts the same conflict as in ''Chaos Theory'', showing more of the actual battles of it (whereas ''Chaos Theory'' focuses more on the truth behind the war)... and then the "Final Assault" version for Xbox concerns the war restarting '''again''' a couple years later.

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* ''VideoGame/SplinterCell: Chaos Theory'' has the war restart halfway through the game as a result of the bad guys using weaponized computer algorithms to autonomously launch a North Korean missile at a US carrier, sinking it and pinning the blame on them. One level has [[TheHero Sam]] sneaking his way through the missile battery that launched the missile, and the next takes him through a war-torn Seoul (which caused it to be [[BannedInChina Banned In banned in South Korea]] for a while).
* ''VideoGame/GhostRecon 2'' is an interesting case, as the "First Contact" version for [=PS2=] and [=GameCube=] [[CrossOver depicts the same conflict conflict]] as in ''Chaos Theory'', showing more of the actual battles of it (whereas ''Chaos Theory'' focuses more on the truth behind the war)... and then the "Final Assault" version for Xbox concerns the war restarting '''again''' a couple years later.
14th Apr '18 7:02:06 AM HakHakHak
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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]

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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}} [[Main/{{WarIsHell}} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]
14th Apr '18 6:57:53 AM HakHakHak
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* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under MacArthur launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur's estimation of Chinese forces was around 30,000 troops, while in reality ~180,000 Chinese troops already crossed the sino-DPRK border and they continued receiving reinforcements.]])The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.]]

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* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under MacArthur [=MacArthur=] launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur's estimation MacArthur and the UN command vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces was around 30,000 troops, while in reality ~180,000 Chinese troops already crossed the sino-DPRK border and they continued receiving reinforcements.]])The present]])The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} defeat as a result of over-confidence, poor intelligence and inappropriate planning,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective almost shattered completely and had to retreat routed back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying refit.]]
* PathOfMostResistance: On one instance in Nov 1950, a ROK unit deployed near
the two Koreas.]]Chinese-DPRK border was shelled by heavy mortar, which lead the UN command to believe they were near the last remnants of DPRK forces, which they were seeking to destroy. Only after a small number of skirmishes did it reveal that [[Main/{{OhCrap}}they would be facing the newly arrived Chinese.]]
* SchmuckBait: China warned that it would intervene if the UN forces crossed the 38th parallel to invade North Korea, the UN commend went for it anyway.



* TemptingFate: MacArthur again. He speculated, on 15th October 1950, [[Main/{{MillionToOneChance}} that the risk of Chinese intervention in Korea was small]], and assured that a Chinese advance to Pyongyang would be "the greatest slaughter". Chinese forces started arriving in North Korea on 19th October, and [[Main/{{NotSoInvincibleAfterAll}} UN command was forced to abandon all occupied territories in North Korea, including Pyongyang, on 3rd December 1950, after suffering a series of defeats.]]

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* TemptingFate: MacArthur [=MacArthur=] again. He speculated, on On 15th October 1950, 1950 he speculated [[Main/{{MillionToOneChance}} that the risk of Chinese intervention in Korea was small]], and assured that a Chinese advance to Pyongyang would be "the greatest slaughter". Chinese forces started arriving in North Korea on 19th October, and [[Main/{{NotSoInvincibleAfterAll}} UN command was forced to abandon all occupied territories in North Korea, including Pyongyang, on 3rd December 1950, after suffering a series of defeats.]]
**And Mao, on December 11, 1950, the UN command sued for status quo ante bellum peace with China, which means the border between two Koreas would remain at the 38th parallel. However, Mao refused the offer and ordered an offensive to "at least push to the 36th parallel". Which failed badly and caused heavy casualties for the PVA.
* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverKill: Averted with [[https://www.questia.com/library/journal/1P3-70550007/van-fleet-loads Van Fleet Load]] during the Battle of Triangle Hills. General Van Fleet concentrated a spectacular amount of artillery fire on Chinese positions in hope to batter the defenders, [[Main/{{NoSell}} but the main Chinese forces were mostly intact despite being bombarded]], due to extensive field fortification and concealment. The UN forces suffered much higher casualties than they anticipated as a result.

27th Mar '18 7:40:39 AM HakHakHak
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* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under MacArthur launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur's estimation of Chinese forces was around 30,000 troops, while in reality ~180,000 Chinese troops already crossed the sino-DPRK border and they continued receiving reinforcements.]])[[Main/{{EpicFail}} The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.]]

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* HomeByChristmas: The UN command under MacArthur launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive on 24th November 1950, aimed to finish off the remnant of North Korean forces and the "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur's ([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur's estimation of Chinese forces was around 30,000 troops, while in reality ~180,000 Chinese troops already crossed the sino-DPRK border and they continued receiving reinforcements.]])[[Main/{{EpicFail}} The ]])The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, defeat,[[Main/{{EpicFail}} the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.]]
27th Mar '18 7:38:32 AM HakHakHak
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* HomeByChristmas: Was invoked almost word-for-word: "Well, if they go fast enough, maybe some of them can be home by Christmas."-General Douglas MacArthur.
** The Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov 1950, aiming to rout the Chinese and North Korean forces, unify Korea under the South and finish the war quickly. [[Main/{{EpicFail}} The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.]]
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.]]

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* HomeByChristmas: Was invoked almost word-for-word: "Well, if they go fast enough, maybe some of them can be home by Christmas."-General Douglas MacArthur.
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The UN command under MacArthur launched the Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov on 24th November 1950, aiming aimed to rout finish off the Chinese and remnant of North Korean forces, unify Korea under forces and the South "small" Chinese force present in North Korea.([[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur's estimation of Chinese forces was around 30,000 troops, while in reality ~180,000 Chinese troops already crossed the sino-DPRK border and finish the war quickly. [[Main/{{EpicFail}} they continued receiving reinforcements.]])[[Main/{{EpicFail}} The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.]]
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.
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* TemptingFate: MacArthur again. He speculated, on 15th October 1950, [[Main/{{MillionToOneChance}} that the risk of Chinese intervention in Korea was small]], and assured that a Chinese advance to Pyongyang would be "the greatest slaughter". Chinese forces started arriving in North Korea on 19th October, and [[Main/{{NotSoInvincibleAfterAll}} UN command was forced to abandon all occupied territories in North Korea, including Pyongyang, on 3rd December 1950, after suffering a series of defeats.]]
27th Mar '18 6:01:18 AM HakHakHak
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** The Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov 1950, aiming to rout the Chinese and North Korean forces, unify Korea under the South and finish the war quickly. The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.]]

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** The Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov 1950, aiming to rout the Chinese and North Korean forces, unify Korea under the South and finish the war quickly. [[Main/{{EpicFail}} The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.
Koreas.]]
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}} MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.]]
27th Mar '18 5:59:48 AM HakHakHak
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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]

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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments... [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife} [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]
27th Mar '18 5:59:02 AM HakHakHak
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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments. [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}}Except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]

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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments. [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}}Except adjustments... [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife} except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.]]
27th Mar '18 5:58:07 AM HakHakHak
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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end everything ended up no far from where it started, with minimal border adjustments. Except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.
* HomeByChristmas: Was invoked almost word-for-word: "Well, if they go fast enough, maybe some of them can be home by Christmas." General Douglas MacArthur.

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* CurbStompBattle: Oh just too many of them: North Korea inflicted a series of this on South Korea, then they received a series of this from the Americans. Then the Americans received a series of this from the Chinese just when they thought the war was about to finish, then the Chinese received a series of this from the Americans because their equipment and logistical situations were hopeless...In the end everything ended up no far from where it started, Korea was still divided, with minimal border adjustments. Except [[Main/{{WhatASenselessWasteOfHumanLife}}Except hundreds of thousands of people died, yikes.
yikes.]]
* HomeByChristmas: Was invoked almost word-for-word: "Well, if they go fast enough, maybe some of them can be home by Christmas." General "-General Douglas MacArthur.MacArthur.
27th Mar '18 5:55:37 AM HakHakHak
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The Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov 1950, aiming to rout the Chinese and North Korean forces, unify Korea under the South and finish the war quickly. The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.]]

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The **The Home-by-Christmas Offensive was launched in Nov 1950, aiming to rout the Chinese and North Korean forces, unify Korea under the South and finish the war quickly. The ensuing campaign was a humiliating defeat, the UN forces were rendered combat ineffective and had to retreat back to South Korea for refit, abandoning all occupied territories and any hopes of unifying the two Koreas.
** [[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur **[[Main/{{GeneralFailure}}MacArthur and other planners of the UN forces vastly underestimated the strength of Chinese forces present in North Korea before launching the offensive, as the Chinese retreat after initial skirmishes was seen as a sign of weakness. In fact, they retreated due to logistical difficulties, and were preparing for another offensive on their own.]]
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