History UsefulNotes / LesGrandesEcoles

1st Jul '17 5:10:50 PM nombretomado
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* the '''École Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of Mustafa Kemal's Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of Caltech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].

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* the '''École Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of Mustafa Kemal's Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of Caltech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki Wiki/TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].
28th Jun '17 1:34:28 AM KYCubbie
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* the '''École Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of {{MustafaKemal}}'s Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of CalTech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].

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* the '''École Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of {{MustafaKemal}}'s Mustafa Kemal's Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of CalTech, Caltech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].
28th Jun '17 1:33:57 AM KYCubbie
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* the '''Ecole des Mines''', officially ''[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mines ParisTech]]'' is technically the oldest engineering school still in activity, since it was founded during the Ancien Régime.
* the '''Ecole Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of {{MustafaKemal}}'s Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of CalTech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].
* '''Sciences Po''', officially ''Institut d'études politique'' (IEP), is a school attended by future journalists and politicians. There are several IEP, the most famous of which is in Paris. Further complicating the matter is that Sciences Po Paris itself has branches dotted all over the country.
* '''École des hautes études commerciales''' (HEC) is a business school. Former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn and current President Hollande both studied there at some point.
* '''École nationale d'administration''' (ENA) trains high level civil servants and politicians. Contrary to the others, students attend this school after obtaining a Master's from another ''grande école''. Alumni are called ''énarques''. Several [[UsefulNotes/ThePresidentsOfFrance Presidents and Prime Ministers]] are ENA alumni, including current President Hollande and former President Giscard d'Estaing. So are Hollande's [[TheCasanova ex-ex-partner]], former presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, SNCF executive officer Guillaume Pépy, and several senior members of every administration and every major political party. Enarques have usually previously studied in Sciences Po as well and because of this many politicians know each other personally, much in the same way as British public school alumni do. Unsurprisingly, populist parties across the board tend to dislike what they depict as cronyism.

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* the '''Ecole '''École des Mines''', officially popularly known as ''[[AwesomeMcCoolname Mines ParisTech]]'' ParisTech]]'', is technically the oldest engineering school still in activity, since it was founded during the Ancien Régime.
* the '''Ecole '''École Nationale Supérieure des Arts et Métiers''', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames ENSAM]]'', a.k.a. ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]]'', officially ''[[IHaveManyNames Arts et Métiers]] [[NonIndicativeName ParisTech]]'', is [[NonIndicativeName not a fine arts school]] but an engineering school founded by a liberal noble [[TangledFamilyTree before, during, and after The Revolution]]. Is semi-(in)famous in France for alleged cases of hazing, for having its own dialect, and for its students' unusual dress sense. Is incidentally one of only two institutions in France allowed to keep a military-inspired uniform despite no longer actually being linked to the military, which is otherwise forbidden by law. Alumni include several inventors and engineers, one of {{MustafaKemal}}'s Western "alphabet counselors", a tech consultant for the Clinton administration, the current head of CalTech, and if his bio on TheOtherWiki [[SarcasmMode is to be believed]], one ''[[MyFriendsAndZoidberg porn baron]]'' [[note]]Jean-Daniel Cadinot, mentioned by name in Series/QueerAsFolk UK. [[ItsForABook In case you were wondering.]][[/note]].
* '''Sciences Po''', officially ''Institut d'études politique'' (IEP), is a school attended by future journalists and politicians. There are several IEP, the most famous of which is in Paris. Further complicating the matter is that Sciences Po Paris itself has branches dotted all over the country.
country. Seven of the last eight French presidents, including current President Macron, attended Sciences Po.
* '''École des hautes études commerciales''' (HEC) is a business school. Former IMF director Dominique Strauss-Kahn and current former President Hollande both studied there at some point.
* '''École nationale d'administration''' (ENA) trains high level civil servants and politicians. Contrary to the others, students attend this school after obtaining a Master's from another ''grande école''. Alumni are called ''énarques''. Several [[UsefulNotes/ThePresidentsOfFrance Presidents and Prime Ministers]] are ENA alumni, including current President Macron and former Presidents Hollande and former President Giscard d'Estaing. So are Hollande's [[TheCasanova ex-ex-partner]], former presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, SNCF executive officer Guillaume Pépy, and several senior members of every administration and every major political party. Enarques have usually previously studied in Sciences Po as well and because of this many politicians know each other personally, much in the same way as British public school alumni do. Unsurprisingly, populist parties across the board tend to dislike what they depict as cronyism.
7th Feb '17 7:02:16 AM gemmabeta2
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The ''bac'' is an institution in itself: every year, newspapers publish the results and there are long discussions about it in the media. People over 30 usually say that this diploma was hard when they sat the exams for it, but is worth nothing today since everybody gets it easily. The topics of the philosophy tests are announced on TV news (after the tests, of course). Since everybody in France have the same subjects, teachers put a lot of efforts to preserve secrecy, everyone starts the tests at the exact same time, and there is a spare topic if the main one happens to be leaked.

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The ''bac'' is an institution in itself: every year, newspapers publish the results and there are long discussions about it in the media. People over 30 usually say that this diploma was hard when they sat the exams for it, but is worth nothing today since everybody gets it easily. The topics of the philosophy tests are announced on TV news (after the tests, of course).course) and becomes a national conversation starter for a few days thereafter. Since everybody in France have the same subjects, teachers put a lot of efforts to preserve secrecy, everyone starts the tests at the exact same time, and there is a spare topic if the main one happens to be leaked.
4th Sep '15 7:53:35 PM nombretomado
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* the '''École polytechnique''' (nicknamed ''l'X'') is an engineering school with a strong military tradition. Alumni are called ''polytechniciens''. Many French scientists and mathematicians from UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution and [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s First Empire like Laplace and Cauchy studied there and/or taught there. Many French people know them for being part of the Bastille Day military parade, marching in [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]-style [[NiceHat bicorn hats]].

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* the '''École polytechnique''' (nicknamed ''l'X'') is an engineering school with a strong military tradition. Alumni are called ''polytechniciens''. Many French scientists and mathematicians from UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution and [[NapoleonBonaparte [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s First Empire like Laplace and Cauchy studied there and/or taught there. Many French people know them for being part of the Bastille Day military parade, marching in [[NapoleonBonaparte [[UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]-style [[NiceHat bicorn hats]].
28th May '15 8:59:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''[[TheClass Entre les murs]]'' is a movie about a teacher in a ''collège'' near Paris.

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* ''[[TheClass Entre les murs]]'' ''Film/TheClass'' is a movie about a teacher in a ''collège'' near Paris.



* ''{{Tanguy}}'' is a ''normalien'' who does not want to finish his ''doctorat''. His dad is a ''polytechnicien''.

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* ''{{Tanguy}}'' ''Film/{{Tanguy}}'' is a ''normalien'' who does not want to finish his ''doctorat''. His dad is a ''polytechnicien''.
12th May '15 10:38:45 AM MarkLungo
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* '''École nationale d'administration''' (ENA) trains high level civil servants and politicians. Contrary to the others, students attend this school after obtaining a Master's from another ''grande école''. Alumni are called ''énarques''. Several [[FrenchPoliticalSystem Presidents and Prime Ministers]] are ENA alumni, including current President Hollande and former President Giscard d'Estaing. So are Hollande's [[TheCasanova ex-ex-partner]], former presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, SNCF executive officer Guillaume Pépy, and several senior members of every administration and every major political party. Enarques have usually previously studied in Sciences Po as well and because of this many politicians know each other personally, much in the same way as British public school alumni do. Unsurprisingly, populist parties across the board tend to dislike what they depict as cronyism.

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* '''École nationale d'administration''' (ENA) trains high level civil servants and politicians. Contrary to the others, students attend this school after obtaining a Master's from another ''grande école''. Alumni are called ''énarques''. Several [[FrenchPoliticalSystem [[UsefulNotes/ThePresidentsOfFrance Presidents and Prime Ministers]] are ENA alumni, including current President Hollande and former President Giscard d'Estaing. So are Hollande's [[TheCasanova ex-ex-partner]], former presidential candidate Ségolène Royal, SNCF executive officer Guillaume Pépy, and several senior members of every administration and every major political party. Enarques have usually previously studied in Sciences Po as well and because of this many politicians know each other personally, much in the same way as British public school alumni do. Unsurprisingly, populist parties across the board tend to dislike what they depict as cronyism.
28th Dec '14 2:52:32 PM Quag15
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* the '''École polytechnique''' (nicknamed ''l'X'') is an engineering school with a strong military tradition. Alumni are called ''polytechniciens''. Many French scientists and mathematicians from TheFrenchRevolution and [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s First Empire like Laplace and Cauchy studied there and/or taught there. Many French people know them for being part of the Bastille Day military parade, marching in [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]-style [[NiceHat bicorn hats]].

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* the '''École polytechnique''' (nicknamed ''l'X'') is an engineering school with a strong military tradition. Alumni are called ''polytechniciens''. Many French scientists and mathematicians from TheFrenchRevolution UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution and [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]'s First Empire like Laplace and Cauchy studied there and/or taught there. Many French people know them for being part of the Bastille Day military parade, marching in [[NapoleonBonaparte Napoleon]]-style [[NiceHat bicorn hats]].



The common factor of all of these schools is invariably a strong alumni network, comparable to that of British universities and public schools and almost inexistant in regular French universities. Their critics view them as the symbol of an entrenched, self-perpetuating caste of political and economic elites, while their supporters point out that few systems in France are so fundamentally meritocratic. The truth is, obviously, more complex than either of these assertions, especially when applied to several different institutions with sometimes very different histories. This comes from the fact that some of the most prestigious of the afore-mentioned ''grandes écoles'' have their roots in the aftermath of TheFrenchRevolution, when the nobility was either exiled or wiped out, and the now-centralised French republic took to creating a whole new caste of [[SelfMadeMan Self-Made Men]]. Today, one has far more chances of being encouraged towards ''grandes écoles'' if one is from a somewhat specific income bracket, so ''grandes écoles'' contain a disproportionately low number of students from a working-class background, even though they're largely all free of charge.

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The common factor of all of these schools is invariably a strong alumni network, comparable to that of British universities and public schools and almost inexistant in regular French universities. Their critics view them as the symbol of an entrenched, self-perpetuating caste of political and economic elites, while their supporters point out that few systems in France are so fundamentally meritocratic. The truth is, obviously, more complex than either of these assertions, especially when applied to several different institutions with sometimes very different histories. This comes from the fact that some of the most prestigious of the afore-mentioned ''grandes écoles'' have their roots in the aftermath of TheFrenchRevolution, UsefulNotes/TheFrenchRevolution, when the nobility was either exiled or wiped out, and the now-centralised French republic took to creating a whole new caste of [[SelfMadeMan Self-Made Men]]. Today, one has far more chances of being encouraged towards ''grandes écoles'' if one is from a somewhat specific income bracket, so ''grandes écoles'' contain a disproportionately low number of students from a working-class background, even though they're largely all free of charge.
25th Oct '14 10:07:30 AM Dame-Amaryllis
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There is no real selection to enter an university, and the tuition fees are extremely low. Consequently, the universities are often viewed in much the same way that [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem Americans view community colleges]] -- overcrowded and poor. There is a high failure rate during the first years, so the classes are overcrowded only during the ''licence'', equivalent to a Bachelor's degree (3 years). After one obtains one's ''licence'', one may stay on to obtain a ''master'', or Master's degree. Some continue beyond their ''master'' for 3 years or more to obtain a ''doctorat'' ([=PhD=]).

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There is no real selection to enter an university, and the tuition fees are extremely low. Consequently, the universities are often viewed in much the same way that [[UsefulNotes/AmericanEducationalSystem Americans view community colleges]] -- overcrowded and poor. There is a high failure rate during the first years, so the classes are overcrowded only during the ''licence'', equivalent to a Bachelor's degree (3 years). After one obtains one's ''licence'', one may stay on to obtain a ''master'', ''master'' (2 years), or Master's degree. Some continue beyond their ''master'' for 3 years or more to obtain a ''doctorat'' ([=PhD=]).
25th Oct '14 10:03:46 AM Dame-Amaryllis
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In theory, students are able to choose which ''lycée'' they will go to. In practice, there is an element of selection: students with the best grades tend to go to the ''lycées généraux'', those with average grades go to the ''lycées techniques'' and the ones wih the worst grades go to the ''lycées professionnels''.

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In theory, students are able to choose which ''lycée'' they will go to. In practice, there is an element of selection: students with the best best, or at least average, grades tend to go to the ''lycées généraux'', while those with average the worst grades go to the ''lycées techniques'' and the ones wih the worst grades go to or the ''lycées professionnels''.
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