History UsefulNotes / IrishTravellers

29th Sep '17 12:59:26 AM ergeis
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* ''Series/ThePrisoner'' has Number 6 escape the village and encounter a group of Travellers unaware of what they're saying. They give him food and part ways.
23rd Aug '17 8:12:58 AM Prime32
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First off, don't call a Traveller a "Gypsy." It's a derogatory word, and just about the most offensive way you can possibly refer to an Irish Traveller. Only the word "pikey" might be worse, but that only happens in Britain. "Knacker" is another well known derogatory term. Some Travellers today are significantly more offended by "knacker" than "gypsy". Older works might call them "Tinkers," from the fact that a lot of them used to be itinerant tinsmiths. This is also considered offensive, if not so much. The proper word is "Pavee," not that you'll hear it used much.

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First off, don't call a Traveller a "Gypsy." "Gypsy". It's a derogatory word, and just about the most offensive way you can possibly refer to an Irish Traveller. Only the word "pikey" might be worse, but that only happens in Britain. "Knacker" "Knacker"[[note]]Meaning a horse too old or sick for work, or a person who buys such animals for slaughter[[/note]] is another well known derogatory term. Some term; some Travellers today are significantly more offended by "knacker" than "gypsy". Older works might call them "Tinkers," "Tinkers", from the fact that a lot of them used to be itinerant tinsmiths. This is also considered offensive, if not so much. The proper word is "Pavee," "Pavee", not that you'll hear it used much.



In Britain, Irish Travellers are legally considered a separate ethnicity from the settled Irish community. In Ireland, they are not, though any discrimination legislation references membership of the travelling community in addition to race and religion. This is why references in Irish media are made to 'the Travelling community' and 'the Settled community'. All of this is a political hot potato.

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In Britain, Irish Travellers are have only legally been considered a separate ethnicity from the settled Irish community. In Ireland, they are not, community since 2000 (in Britain) and 2017 (in Ireland), though any Irish discrimination legislation references prior to that had referenced membership of the travelling community in addition to race and religion. This is why references in Irish media are made to 'the Travelling community' and 'the Settled community'. All of this is a political hot potato.
23rd Aug '17 1:18:44 AM PaulA
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* In the book ''Steadfast'' of the ''Literature/ElementalMasters'' series, Katie Langford is half-Traveller. Her dancer mother was the Traveller, and her acrobat father a non-Traveller man that was living a similar lifestyle. The two eloped when the Traveller clan refused to let the two marry, and Katie's mother was then cast out from the clan.

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* In the book ''Steadfast'' of the ''Literature/ElementalMasters'' series, ''Literature/{{Steadfast}}'', Katie Langford is half-Traveller. Her dancer mother was the Traveller, and her acrobat father a non-Traveller man that was living a similar lifestyle. The two eloped when the Traveller clan refused to let the two marry, and Katie's mother was then cast out from the clan.
8th Jul '17 9:53:50 PM Skagit
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Irish Travellers are a people who share the language Shelta, commonly known as Cant, derived from a mixture of intentionally-incomprehensible Irish slang and a few English, Romani, and other loanwords. They are tribal, like the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}}, and share the perception in media as being "evil outsiders", like the Romani, and some are nomadic, like some Romani, but that is it.

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Irish Travellers are a people who share the language Shelta, commonly known as Cant, derived from a mixture of intentionally-incomprehensible Irish slang and a few English, Romani, and other loanwords. They are tribal, like the UsefulNotes/{{Romani}}, and share the perception in media as being "evil outsiders", like the Romani, and some are nomadic, like some Romani, but that is it.
it other than a shared passion for boxing.
8th Apr '17 11:27:11 AM StFan
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* A pair turned up in ''BoysFromTheBlackstuff'' where they proved to be sociopathic con-men.

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* A pair turned up in ''BoysFromTheBlackstuff'' ''Series/BoysFromTheBlackstuff'' where they proved to be sociopathic con-men.
25th Feb '17 3:42:58 PM nombretomado
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* ''Series/TheRiches'' joins up an American Traveller family (in the DeepSouth) with a FishOutOfWater plot. Featuring EddieIzzard, no less.

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* ''Series/TheRiches'' joins up an American Traveller family (in the DeepSouth) with a FishOutOfWater plot. Featuring EddieIzzard, Creator/EddieIzzard, no less.
20th Jan '17 3:33:25 PM Luppercus
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* The Pilgrims in ''Film/WingCommander'' are a group of Space Nomads, notable for their ability to navigate without the help of computers. They suffer from prejudice and persecution from most of the society.
20th Nov '16 5:38:29 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''Fanfic/TheMadScientistWars'' suggests that one of Andrew Tinker's MadScientist grandfathers, Dr. Io, is an Irish Traveller. It hasn't been gone into too much, but Dr. Io is presented as a kind, good person, so it's a positive portrayal.

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* ''Fanfic/TheMadScientistWars'' suggests that one of Andrew Tinker's MadScientist grandfathers, Dr. Io, is an Irish Traveller. It hasn't been gone into too much, but Dr. Io is presented as a kind, good person, so it's a positive portrayal.

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* ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'': The murder at the heart of one episode was tied to an attempt to cover up a business deal between two families of Travellers. The deal being the arrangement of a marriage between two ten-year-olds so that a "dowry" could be exchanged to pay off some business debts.
* ''Series/TheRiches'' joins up an American Traveller family (in the DeepSouth) with a FishOutOfWater plot. Featuring EddieIzzard, no less.

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* ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent'': The murder at the heart of one episode was tied to an attempt to cover up a business deal between two families of Travellers. The deal being the arrangement of a marriage between two ten-year-olds so that a "dowry" could be exchanged to pay off some business debts.
debts.
* ''Series/TheRiches'' joins up an American Traveller family (in the DeepSouth) with a FishOutOfWater plot. Featuring EddieIzzard, no less.



* "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E18UpTheLongLadder Up the Long Ladder]]", an infamous episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', had Irish Travelers [[RecycledInSpace in SPACE]] via a group of "neo-transcendentalist" colonists known as the Bringloidi (Bringlóid being Irish Gaelic for "dream"). They're about as stereotypical as you can get: slovenly, ignorant, and disruptive, led by a drunkard trying to marry off his nagging daughter. The script was approved by an Irish-American, but plenty of other Irish folks weren't amused.

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* "[[Recap/StarTrekTheNextGenerationS2E18UpTheLongLadder Up the Long Ladder]]", an infamous episode of ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'', had Irish Travelers [[RecycledInSpace in SPACE]] via a group of "neo-transcendentalist" colonists known as the Bringloidi (Bringlóid being Irish Gaelic for "dream"). They're about as stereotypical as you can get: slovenly, ignorant, and disruptive, led by a drunkard trying to marry off his nagging daughter. The script was approved by an Irish-American, but plenty of other Irish folks weren't amused.



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12th Nov '16 4:02:49 PM nombretomado
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* ''Film/{{Chocolat}}'' has a band of Travellers living in riverboats, whose leader is played by JohnnyDepp. They are discriminated against by the townspeople and the conservative mayor denounces them as godless and a bad influence. The protagonist strives to overcome this prejudice, in accord with her role as the BlitheSpirit. In the book the film was based on, where the person inveighing against the Travellers is the local ultra-conservative priest, who basically rules the town through fear until the protagonist shows up, so his denunciations of godlessness have more force to them. Also, he sets fire to all of the Travellers' barges--twice. Even the chapters from his point of view, when contrasted with what the reader actually knows about the Travellers, show his bigotry to be hysterical, irrational and dead wrong.

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* ''Film/{{Chocolat}}'' has a band of Travellers living in riverboats, whose leader is played by JohnnyDepp.Creator/JohnnyDepp. They are discriminated against by the townspeople and the conservative mayor denounces them as godless and a bad influence. The protagonist strives to overcome this prejudice, in accord with her role as the BlitheSpirit. In the book the film was based on, where the person inveighing against the Travellers is the local ultra-conservative priest, who basically rules the town through fear until the protagonist shows up, so his denunciations of godlessness have more force to them. Also, he sets fire to all of the Travellers' barges--twice. Even the chapters from his point of view, when contrasted with what the reader actually knows about the Travellers, show his bigotry to be hysterical, irrational and dead wrong.
17th Oct '16 5:26:55 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Film/{{Snatch}}'', a clan of Travellers (and their [[Creator/BradPitt champion bareknuckle fighter in particular]]) plays a big role. They're all liars and con-men, but so is every other character in the film. It's a GuyRitchie movie; if there's a moral high ground, the Travellers are probably the ones occupying it, especially considering that they're up against a LondonGangster.

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* In ''Film/{{Snatch}}'', a clan of Travellers (and their [[Creator/BradPitt champion bareknuckle fighter in particular]]) plays a big role. They're all liars and con-men, but so is every other character in the film. It's a GuyRitchie Creator/GuyRitchie movie; if there's a moral high ground, the Travellers are probably the ones occupying it, especially considering that they're up against a LondonGangster.
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