History UsefulNotes / HolyRomanEmpire

11th Jan '17 6:02:57 PM nombretomado
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* In ''LookToTheWest'', it looks as though the Empire might reverse its decline when the Prussians lose the Silesian Wars against the Austrians, but in the end it falls around the same time as in our timeline thanks to WeAreStrugglingTogether in the face of a French invasion. However, it remains something of an inspiration for German unificationists in years to come.

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* In ''LookToTheWest'', ''Literature/LookToTheWest'', it looks as though the Empire might reverse its decline when the Prussians lose the Silesian Wars against the Austrians, but in the end it falls around the same time as in our timeline thanks to WeAreStrugglingTogether in the face of a French invasion. However, it remains something of an inspiration for German unificationists in years to come.
1st Nov '16 4:07:49 PM nanshe
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* NiceHat: There were several: the Iron Crown of Lombardy, the Crown of Charlemagne, the mitred crown of Rudolph II, and the little military hat of Frederick II of UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, who famously said, "A crown is just a hat that lets the rain in."

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* NiceHat: There were several: the Iron Crown of Lombardy, the Crown of Charlemagne, the mitred crown of Rudolph II, and the little military hat of Frederick Friedrich II of UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, who famously said, "A crown is just a hat that lets the rain in."


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* StarCrossedLovers: Agnes von Staufen and Heinrich von Braunschweig; she was a Hohenstaufen (half-niece of Friedrich Barbarossa) and he was a Welf (son of Heinrich the Lion). Her father, Konrad, originally arranged for them to marry to ease the tensions between the two families. However, her cousin, the Holy Roman Emperor, wanted her to marry Philippe II of France instead and Konrad went along with this plan. Agnes and her mother secretly invited Heinrich to Stahleck Castle and they quickly married while he was away. Agnes' father and cousin was incensed at the news, but both eventually came around and let the two of them stay married.
29th Sep '16 12:24:59 AM nanshe
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* FeudingFamilies: The Salian/Hohenstaufen-Welf feud is a particularly bad example. It started with simple power struggles then took on religious significance with the Investiture Controversy. Their feud was so intense that quickly engulfed Italy and also drew in the vast majority of Christendom. Neither side really won.

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* FeudingFamilies: The Salian/Hohenstaufen-Welf feud is a particularly bad example. It started with simple power struggles then took on religious significance with the Investiture Controversy. Their feud was so intense that quickly engulfed Italy and also drew in the Italy, leading to three centuries of strife. The vast majority of Christendom. Christendom was drawn in as well to a degree, particularly France and England, who were happy to support whatever side had the most power at the time to support their own interests. Neither side really won.won: the Welfs were stripped off most of their power and the last two male Hohenstaufens both died at the hands of French and Italian Guelphs. The Welfs had remarkable staying power, however, and ended up as the kings of Great Britain in the 18th century.
29th Sep '16 12:20:02 AM nanshe
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* FeudingFamilies: The Salian/Hohenstaufen-Welf feud is a particularly bad example. It started with simple power struggles then took on religious significance with the Investiture Controversy. Their feud was so intense that quickly engulfed Italy and also drew in the vast majority of Christendom. Neither side really won.
24th Sep '16 3:54:47 AM Morgenthaler
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* MagnificentBastard: Oddly enough, there were two with the same name (and number): Frederick II of the Holy Roman Empire and Frederick II of {{Prussia}}. Both were brilliant, highly cultured, highly successful, godless masters of war and political intrigue.

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* MagnificentBastard: Oddly enough, there were two with the same name (and number): Frederick II of the Holy Roman Empire and Frederick II of {{Prussia}}.UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}. Both were brilliant, highly cultured, highly successful, godless masters of war and political intrigue.



* NiceHat: There were several: the Iron Crown of Lombardy, the Crown of Charlemagne, the mitred crown of Rudolph II, and the little military hat of Frederick II of {{Prussia}}, who famously said, "A crown is just a hat that lets the rain in."

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* NiceHat: There were several: the Iron Crown of Lombardy, the Crown of Charlemagne, the mitred crown of Rudolph II, and the little military hat of Frederick II of {{Prussia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, who famously said, "A crown is just a hat that lets the rain in."
4th Sep '16 4:51:50 AM Morgenthaler
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The '''Holy Roman Empire [[UsefulNotes/{{Germany}} of the German Nation]]''' (Latin: ''Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ''; German: ''Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation'') was traditionally founded on Christmas Day of the year 800 A.D., when [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]] Leo III placed the crown on the head of Charlemagne in St. Peter's, and the assembled multitudes shouted "''Carolo Augusto, a Deo coronato magno et pacifico imperatori, vita et victoria!''" -- "To Charles the Magnificent, crowned the great and peace-giving emperor by God, life and victory!" Strictly speaking, however, Charles's empire was neither Roman nor German, but Frankish -- or as we might say, a sort of French-German mix (for that matter, there was a perfectly valid [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_of_Athens Roman Emperor]] at the time in any case[[note]]Or to be precise, ''empress''. Charlemagne's supporters [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne#Imperial_diplomacy claimed that a woman couldn't rule the Roman Empire]]. The Byzantines promptly deposed Irene and installed Nikephoros I, who was certainly a man; they were possibly disappointed that Charlemagne saw no reason to abdicate.[[/note]]). The Empire was not officially described as "Holy" until the twelfth century, nor officially "German" before the sixteenth. Charlemagne's empire quickly fell to pieces among his squabbling successors, and the Holy Roman Emperors themselves tended to ignore any discontinuity between [[UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire pagan]] and Christian Rome -- Frederick I Barbarossa (1123-1190) going so far as to assert that one of his reasons for going on [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades Crusade]] was to avenge the defeat of [[Film/{{Spartacus}} Crassus]] by the Parthians ([[TheRomanRepublic 53 B.C.]]).[[note]]Never mind that the Parthians were Zoroastrian Persians and the rulers of the Middle East of the time were primarily Turkish and to a lesser extent Arab Muslims...[[/note]]

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The '''Holy Roman Empire [[UsefulNotes/{{Germany}} of the German Nation]]''' (Latin: ''Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicæ''; German: ''Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation'') was traditionally founded on Christmas Day of the year 800 A.D., when [[UsefulNotes/ThePope Pope]] Leo III placed the crown on the head of Charlemagne in St. Peter's, and the assembled multitudes shouted "''Carolo Augusto, a Deo coronato magno et pacifico imperatori, vita et victoria!''" -- "To Charles the Magnificent, crowned the great and peace-giving emperor by God, life and victory!" Strictly speaking, however, Charles's empire was neither Roman nor German, but Frankish -- or as we might say, a sort of French-German mix (for that matter, there was a perfectly valid [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irene_of_Athens Roman Emperor]] at the time in any case[[note]]Or to be precise, ''empress''. Charlemagne's supporters [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne#Imperial_diplomacy claimed that a woman couldn't rule the Roman Empire]]. The Byzantines promptly deposed Irene and installed Nikephoros I, who was certainly a man; they were possibly disappointed that Charlemagne saw no reason to abdicate.[[/note]]). The Empire was not officially described as "Holy" until the twelfth century, nor officially "German" before the sixteenth. Charlemagne's empire quickly fell to pieces among his squabbling successors, and the Holy Roman Emperors themselves tended to ignore any discontinuity between [[UsefulNotes/TheRomanEmpire pagan]] and Christian Rome -- Frederick I Barbarossa (1123-1190) going so far as to assert that one of his reasons for going on [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades Crusade]] was to avenge the defeat of [[Film/{{Spartacus}} Crassus]] by the Parthians ([[TheRomanRepublic ([[UsefulNotes/TheRomanRepublic 53 B.C.]]).[[note]]Never mind that the Parthians were Zoroastrian Persians and the rulers of the Middle East of the time were primarily Turkish and to a lesser extent Arab Muslims...[[/note]]
3rd Sep '16 7:23:13 AM Morgenthaler
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*** More exactly, said character is the embodiment of Austria, and the [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austrian Habsburgs]] are his bosses. Specifically, he's shown interacting with the recently crowned Empress UsefulNotes/MariaTheresa.

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*** More exactly, said character is the embodiment of Austria, and the [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic Austrian Habsburgs]] are his bosses. Specifically, he's shown interacting with the recently crowned Empress UsefulNotes/MariaTheresa.
3rd Sep '16 7:09:48 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheSoundOfMartialMusic: By the latter half of the HRE's existence, the Austrian lands under the Habsburgs became increasingly prominent, ultimately becoming nigh synonymous with the Empire. Tellingly, nearly every Emperor (and [[UsefulNotes/MariaTheresa defacto Empress]]) at this point all the way up to the very end was a Habsburg.
11th May '16 3:27:23 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheKnightsTemplar: TheTeutonicKnights were also a crusading order like them and are nearly as famous in their own right. However, their ''Drang nach Osten'' ("Drive toward the East"[[note]] This term was coined by Polish, Czech and Russian nationalists in the 19th century.[[/note]]) was toward Eastern Europe instead of the Middle East, against Europe's last pagan peoples (which they kept doing long after those nations converted). They also rival the Holy Roman Empire in being "Germany before modern Germany." Some of the lands they conquered were considered German until WWII because of it (as referenced in Creator/TSEliot's ''The Waste Land'': ''Bin gar keine Russin, stamm' aus Litauen, echt deutsch''[[note]]Roughly, "I'm not Russian, I come from Lithuania; I'm a genuine German"[[/note]]).
** Strictly speaking, this falls outside the scope of the Holy Roman Empire as these territories (in East and West Prussia and the Baltic states) were well outside its borders. After their defeat at Grunwald/Tannenberg, the Teutonic Knights had to acknowledge the suzerainty of the King of Poland again. Also, apart from East and West Prussia with their predominantly German (or at least German-speaking) population, the territories were only partly German insofar as they contained a relatively small, but culturally dominant ethnically German minority (i. e. the majority of the population was non-German, but the local nobility and educated middle class was dominated by Germans). That said, the Knights were often, but incorrectly, seen as an extension of the Empire. What happened was that in 1525 the then Grand Master of the Order, a younger son of the Margrave of Brandenburg, converted to Lutheranism and transformed the territory of the order in East Prussia into a secular duchy (the Duchy of Prussia), which about a century later was inherited by the Margraves of Brandenburg who succeeded in freeing the duchy of Polish suzerainity and in 1701 became kings in Prussia, which eventually led to their entire state being called "Prussia". Meanwhile the Teutonic Knights continued to exist as a Catholic order, though it now no longer disposed of any territories worth mentioning; they actually survived the Holy Roman Empire, in part due to their connection to the House of Habsburg.
30th Mar '16 10:33:36 AM GreatWyrmGold
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* FantasyCounterpartCulture: The Empire in ''Warhammer''.
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